Why do artists still rely on Patreon for money? Why is that site the only way for Western artists to make a living?
Isn't subscribestar/fanbox an option for artists who make stuff that Patreon is schizo about?
What did he expect? I have nothing against him personally but half of nsfw patreon technically violates the TOS in some way.
>>150887676Its not. Patron just pays a ton of money shilling it as such.Just use cash app and transfer it to a bsnkbsccojbt.
>>150887676It's the easiest way to get money from most people but there are alternatives and it's best to diversify where one gets their money from.>>150887796It's a good alternative and just about the best option for NSFW artists with spicier content. Fanbox is not good because it's subject to Japanese laws. A lot of NSFW artists tried it but gave up on it between that and less people supporting it.
>>150887676This guy draws pedo shit, right?
they'll say this shit and in the same breath hate crypto. lol lmao
The alternative is to go open a store or set up a booth and sell art for real.Patreon allows them to sit on ass and draw a few naked girls and get people to give them money to do that.
>>150887676Because there are millionaires on that platform and their only skill is drawing a few pictures each month.
>>150888827Crypto's only a good deal if you're the one running the verification system
>>150887676Only newbies who weren't there for when Patreon showed their hand with the constant Big Brothering over what artists posted on OTHER sites use Patreon>"Yes Please post your face for ID Verification so someone can hack our system and steal your shit like all the previous this happened"Fuck off, I'm going to use Subscribestar, Fanbox and any other alternative
>>150887950Damn. Patreon ninjas got him before he was even finished posting. Your sacrifice won't be in vain, anon.
>>150887676>Gaytreon in 2025Kofi has been the superior option since its inception.
>>150887796Fanbox operates in Japan so they have their rules and makes all payments in yen.SubscribeStar is locked from new accounts gaining creator access until "manual review" which the staff can just forget to do for years at a time.
What are the alternatives? Patreon is still probably the best option
>>150889724There's GiveSendGo. They're a bit of a right-wing Christian website, but, as a result, they're used to becoming a home for people who are Cancellable on other websites, and so their general attitude is not to cancel YOU, regardless of what your politics or content are.
>>150887676No options
>>150889506This
>>150887676Too lazy and egocentric to handle real commissions
>>150887676One of my favorite artists uses a free service where you don't need an account for payments and you just input your credit card info after they send you an invoice. No need for Patreon. I don't get why more artists don't just use services like this.
>>150889904so they're fine with me posting shota toddlercon porn?
>>150887676Why do none of these niggas seem to have the pay upfront option on.
>>150889506What makes Kofi better than Patreon
>>150889698>SubscribeStar is locked from new accounts gaining creator access until "manual review" which the staff can just forget to do for years at a time.man, I feel that. Although is there any example of people actually getting approved after years of not hearing back?
>>150887676Better option is getting a real job
>>150887676That sucks.Hopefully, your complaint will get looked at.
>>150887676I laughed a little too hard when DesireSFM had to put this disclaimer at the beginning of a video where a futa Triss has a threesome with a mother and daughter.
>>150893049I don't get it.
>>150893306It's for Patreon's guidelines about rape and incest
>>150893332That shit is so fucking stupid when it's fictional characters. No-one's being raped or committing incest when the characters don't even exist.
>>150887676what's the reason why these people don't have a non-art job and keep art as a side thing so their support system is not gone with a single click
>>150888122worsefurry
>>150887676As the creator correctly identified: artists have to be subsidized by someone else to make a living.
>>150889724Unironically onlyfans isn't a bad platform.
>>150893625But what is it an animation of?
>>150893964Furries are socially acceptable now.
>>150893924If you made enough money making art to survive why the fuck would you also have a 9-5?
>>150893924if you've worked a 9-5 manual labor job, you'd understand what the energy levels afterwards are like
Does anybody remember when Patreon got taken to arbitration some years back, and it was discovered that deplatforming their creators for what they posted on other social media sites violated their own terms and conditions, so they jusy changed their t&c to say they can ban you for no reason at all?
>>150895012they still do this, yeah
Smart people use Patreon because of security reasons. Other people, not so, or shady use less secure methods. The truth is a major portion of the working class hate artists. Ironic as they want their lazy untalented asses in the CEO chair making the big pay with doing no actual work.
>>150893049Mentally ill people cannot understand the difference between reality and fiction.
I'm a fat fetish artist nearing 10K followers and I'm fairly consistent with my output. I'm considering a Patreon but I'm concerned PayPal is going to bring the hammer down.
>>150887676I’ve thought about using Shopify.
>>150893049>chacaters likness
>>150888865The highest paid people on patreon are podcasters and people making racing games mods (it's weird as fuck and I don't understand it either). Most artists don't even crack the top 100 highest paid patreons.
>>150895272I think the biggest Patreons are always gonna be the people who have actual production costs to cover and who visibly show increases in their production values as a result.Even a lot of those podcasts tend to get bigger guests and better equipment as they go while the racing mods hire teams. With artists, it feels like you can only really re-invest back into the business so much. There's a cap where "this person's bills are paid." Meanwhile perks like "access to my official server" isn't gonna mean as much for an artist compared to a streamer or a podcaster who probably has way more of a parasocial connection with their audience. That only really leaves them with early access because they have to make pictures free sooner or later for the sake of exposure and further growth, or make free pictures alongside the paid ones.Just kind of a business model where they're screwed
>>150895363>access to my official serverThis perk in particular is dumb as fuck. Who the fuck is joining all these Discord servers of random artists and Youtubers. It feels like following the page of a ketchup brand or cereal company.
>>150887676Unfortunately, Patreon is still the only website that makes the most amount of traffic for creators. No one really knows SubStar exists and even its UI is a bit wonky compared to Patreon. Other stuff like pixiv fanbox is just wayyy too niche.
>>150892047What's it called?
>>150894618kill yourself
>>150887676I know this thread is for shitting on patreon and that's valid and oligopolies where a few gigacorpos can have such a massive and arbitrary say on the livelihood of people is shitty but I think the fact all western artists have to draw porn to pay their bills is also shitty.
>>150892051I'm not sure if they're that Christian or not.
>>150895631It's a parasocial thing.One of the worst elements of the switch to the online content sphere is that parasocial relationships increased heavily. The more "indie" or "grassroots" the content creator, the more parasocial they act with their audience since it's the best moneymaker. There's an argument in parasocial relationships being healthy for providing good role models but the issue is the current landscape goes far beyond that.I'm not even gonna lie, you saw this with the convention scene by the 2000s.
>>150887796>>150887989Sunstar has completely walked back their allowance of spicy stuff and it is not allowed anymore. They sold everyone down the river and are now just as bad Patreon. Their support system is also just as bad with them ghosting you for weeks to forever.
>>150895631>know of multiple instances of creators making discords because their fans clamoured for one only to nuke it later because it became a cliquey drama cesspit exactly like a 4chan generalWhy anyone would do this I have no idea.
>>150895631I got invited to one of those big artist discord servers cause I was friends with one. It's honestly so damn boring in them cause you're pretty much surrounded by the autists usually, the artist who started it is barely in there and it's just for everyone to seal clap when they post work. I can understand a server for an indie game, cartoon or even a mod but a single artist? Most of them don't have the social skills to make interesting conversation anyways. I usually just see the 'join my server' types as egotists wanting more to clap for them.
>>150897166This is all still fallout from the "pornhub has trafficking victims and underage girls" thing (which was always an open-secret that pretty much any law enforcement agent who dealt with human traffickers could have told you. They very frequently got evidence or leads via the site before reporting whichever video.)Then when you had the Texas law and the payment processors, everyone is scared shitless of "you can legally be held accountable if someone uploads something illegal"). Basically, there's no viable way to investigate everything uploaded to see if the model who the uploader said was 18 was actually 17, or if the anime girl with massive fucking tits was 14 (Hentai does count under CP laws in multiple countries). This is why, for the longest time, it was coded into law that site owners were granted protection so long as they could prove they moderated such things once they were made aware of such facts.So it's best to just sidestep pornography since they're basically removing those protections for site owners. Yes, this is heavily believed to be pearl clutchers taking advantage of serious issues and fears in order to cripple the porn industry by crippling the rights of website owners that have existed since the 1990s.
>>150897350no you retard its fallout from visa and mastercard thought police.
>>150897502What >>150897350 said isn't exclusive with what you just said.
>>150895631nah, it's more or less mandatory as its the only place patreon is not spying on you directly to see if you post anything they don't like. if you don't post your content through discord as a proxy, you're on thin ice
>>150897542ThisYou post something cropped on your Patreon and then post the actual stuff in your discord, only occasionally posting the "safer" work online. I know one artist who prefers to dump everything into stashes and posts a link of it on their websites instead
>>150897502I genuinely don't buy the credit corpo excuse. They're fucking credit monopolies. They're behind every transaction in the world from drugs to guns. You can't convince me their board of directors made up from ghouls where the nicest of the lot murderraped his own mother learned they ALSO are behind struggling artists drawing tits to pay rent and they fainted from shock like a victorian woman
>>150897612You are free to be skeptical but them being cited as the problem from something as niche as fanbox to something as large as steam is enough for me. Also if they really weren't doing it why wouldn't they say so after getting tons of bad press and harassment during the steam debacle a few months ago?
>>150897612It's not about punishing porn artists, it's about trying to open a wedge.When the Credit Corpo's came after Itch and Steam they were also going after games like Mouthwash and Fear & Hunger, both games that are not pornographic but do handle the subject of rape. This is being spear-headed more specifically by annoying middle aged women with enough influence to make a big noticeable stink about it, just enough that maybe others will hear and start complaining too. Going after porn first is just an easy way to get to tearing down other things you don't like because by then you would have already successfully argued your case for "Think of the children". Once that's taken care of they'll start going after anything that's "too violent" and "too sexual" and people won't be able to make anything fun anymore
>>150897542i think the best option to sidestep the issue might be having a website with your content locked behind patreon authentication like how theboogie does it... that being said, it requires active effort from the artist in question to build their own platform for their content as opposed to just signing up for a website
>>150894543Coomers get extremely mad and mald whenever you ask this because they know they're evil people deep down who deserve hellfire
>>150892047An artist I know takes cash by mail. It's weird, but it works.
>>150898156So mad no-one replied to your stale bait and you had to samefag 4 hours later to try and get anyone to notice it. Here's your (You).
>>150897775This is certifiably provable by the way. The first thing the group who did this was ever known for was pissing off Australian gamers by getting multiple supermarkets to take GTA V off their shelves back in 2014.https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30328314The organizer is basically "Christian Lainey Molnar" and she's been doing this for the greater part of a decade
>>150892047well? what is the service man.
>>150898327For reference.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_ShoutThis is the group who did it. In 2014 they went after GTA. You'll notice they've gained something of a reputation for rampant pearl-clutching, equally freaking out at properties made for women like Fifty Shades and even stuff that wasn't particularly exploitative of the subject matter like Detroit: Become Human.This is sort of the schtick with them when it comes to media>Be Bible thumpers>Realize bible thumping isn't effective and put on a mask to LARP as woke SJWS>Say "thing demeans women!" while creating a petition to get it banned>Woke SJWs take the bait and sign
>>150893625Cp doesn't exist either. It's just a picture. That moment is long gone, those people no longer exist. Now just a bunch of pixels onna screen. But a child was hurt? That pain is long gone. You didn't hurt them either so why can't you have it? You watch adults have sex does that mean you want to have sex with them? It's not real so who cares?
>>150898504Okay not to side with the lolicon but CP wasn't banned for the morally objectionable nature of the content itself. It was banned because most of it was made via human trafficking at a time before the digital era enabled amateur porn and the only way to get your hands on it was to buy it, supporting the further trafficking and molesting of of children.This is why bestiality porn is legal to view despite being just as morally disgusting. Because anyone can buy a fucking dog, there's no big trafficking ring to hurt by banning distribution and possession.
>>150898504>he's going all outThe answer is obviously consent but you know that, you're the same faggot who's always trying to equate fantasy with reality because you're triggered by fiction you don't like. Probably because uncle Bob wrecked your asshole when you were a kid. I'd say I'm sorry but in your case I'm not, I hope he enjoyed himself.
>>150898492It's called intersectionalism, it's not a LARP.
>>150887676You can only make money on patreon if you make ai generated blacked porn. People only want to pay for ai generated images.
>>150888827its to volatile to be used for an actual currency
>>150897350I don't think it's pearlclutchers. I think it's a combination of gubmints wanting an ever increasing control over what the individual nonelite can do and think and say on social media, and havvu sexxu because they need more little shits sold into paraslavery to the system to pay off the maintenance of the old worker drones and porn checking-out of society is not in their roadmap. The tools for dictatorship have been readily made by wellmeaning democracies all over the world, or like something
>>150887676Somewhat consistent monthly income is pretty important for a lot things like getting a loan or good apartment. Also, pretty sure most subscribers forget they did after a while and just leave it up like they do with most subscriptions>>150896948The financial entanglement with parasocial relationships makes it even worse I think as well. The person is almost required to be that way in order to get people to actually pay them. So it's a guy on a screen pretending to be your friend and shake your hand while the other picks your pocket. I don't know much about the con scene that long ago, but nerd culture seems to have always struggled with turning the people that make and act in their favorite medium into saints and their fake-best-friends. Gaiman is a good example of taking advantage of those parasocial relationships
>>150892189Kofi doesn't allow nsfw altogether
>>150888865If you're buttmad about Salomichan then wait until you hear about MITYHis game has loli Toph, toddler Korra, bestiality with not!Appa and whatever Korra's dog's name was, incest between Zuko and Azula, and of course lots of rape, hypnosis and mind break. And despite being in the top 10 most supported, Patreon never slapped their wrist or anything. The running joke is that someone in Trust and Safety likes their porn game so they get away with it. Since 2016. Heck, I myself reported them and some Indian in support told me that they'd look into it...2 years ago. Meanwhile if you launch a Patreon campaign today and post a flat chested adult girl, as in tall as an adult male, next to said adult male so it's clear, BAM! you're immediately banned for content that sexualizes minors.
>>150894618The sanitized normie versions maybe.
>>150898492Women have been basically the same for 150 years. Sometimes they call themselves Christian, sometimes feminists, sometimes progressives, but they always just want to ban things men like.
>>150887676As opposed to what?>>150892010What imaginary artists have you invented that don't do commissions if they have any time available?
>>150887676Does Shopify handle recurring payments?
>>150887676Good riddance to this bozo, just graduate to sucking dick behind convenience stories for crack money. More pornographers should follow his case, then the world will improve significantly. Is FluffKevlar next?
>>150894543Lmfao, got his ass
>>150887676Not /co/Not /co/Not /co/Not /co/Not /co/Kill yourself, OP, and every pornographer should follow suit
>>150898504it scares me to think there are people who actually think like this
>>150895363Podcasters aren't even "investing" back into their show or hiring people or doing anything that justifies the frankly absurd amount of money they're making for being a gaggle of commie faggots shooting off their mouths about current events and pop culture. The real difference is that podcasters hit a strong parasocial niche that gives lonely faggots a sense of belonging to a group of friends.
Are there any payment processors that aren't beholden to Visa or Mastercard? Maybe im retarded but is it really that hard to set a up a service that let's you give money from one person to another? What's the hurdle?
>cannot get a payout for the last monthI don't do patreon but can't you just automatically make it transfer all funds to your bank acc once a transaction is made?or is this a "we will transfer funds at the end of the month" kind of deal?
I just report patreons because usually the artist doesn't respond to my DMs
>>150903752Unbelievably based, be the problem
>>150903518>Are there any payment processors that aren't beholden to Visa or Mastercard?Yes but they usually don't work internationally, I think Brazil is trying to spread their system globally so people can simply transfer their money whenever they want with no tax>>150903702patreon can withhold your payment whenever they want for any reason
>>150901825>durr this never happens durrshut the fuck up gaslighting faggot
>>150900712Patreon will never lay a finger on the porn that makes them moneySummertime Saga has been going for going for years now and all Patreon did was politely ask the Dev's too take out the incest. Patreon's too pussy to stand on their own policies, they'll leave the money-makers alone but will quickly evaporate anyone that's only pulling 45 bucks a month so they can say they're doing their jobs to Visa or MasterCard.They'll harass you for posting on other websites and withhold your money long before they ever hurt their bottom line
>>150906209What rule breaks does that one have besides the already removed incest? Otherwise your point is moot lol
>>150887676Because they dont want to work. I can relate.
>>150894543cartoon characters
>>150887676Why did he get locked out?
>>150887676>Lock 95% of art behind a 25$ a month minimum paywall>Require you to join the stupid fucking Discord server nobody actually uses>Need to verify you're subbed which takes at least a day or two>You only get access to the most recent art and have to either scroll through endless shitposts or pray there's an archive to find the art you came forPatreon "artists" have to be a money laundering front because who the fuck is paying for this shit?
>>150907655Never mind, I saw his artwork. Now I don’t understand how he isn’t banned from breathing.
I once saw someone selling a 3d model of a character they don't even own for $150Algorithms and monetization are a disease
>>150895631Many artists are using discord to post the paywalled art and risky variants. It also makes it easier to spot people who spread the art without permission and make scraping it for kemono a pain in the ass.
>>150907730Greedy cunts don't even need to do that in the first place because the people who use Kemono weren't gonna give them money to begin with, and they're just making things worse and more annoying for the people that WOULD spend money, meaning they're now getting less.Blueballing and annoying 95% of your customers just because 5% might not give you the money you FEEL you deserve is cunt behavior.It's like game companies adding annoying-ass DRM and anti-piracy measures, as if they're just gonna make pirates throw up their hands and go "Well shucks, guess I gotta spend 80 smackeroos now!" instead of just "oh hey here's another game i like"
>>150888122So?
>>150900712More freedom is good
>>150907752This is precisely why I don't give a fuck about pirates, I just post my shit without any google drive or DM bullshit. I have 5x more patreon subscribers than other artists around my level (850 subs, 55k followers on twitter).Coomers want a quick fap, they don't want to wait until the end of the month to get it. Then these fuckers wonder why most of their subs don't stay for more than a month.
>>150887676>create better system>it allows loli>"NOOOOOO! NOT LIKE THAT!!!"You made your bed, get raped on it
>>150887676>"omfg patreon is literally the most authoritarian platform ever, they banned ANOTHER artist">look inside>inkbunny artist with feral pokemon and watersports>previously got in trouble with the most blasé animal archive website for not tagging character age correctly (the images were still allowed) and tried to start e-drama over it (and seemingly won as next to zero of his uploads have the correct age tag)It's a shame because he's a good sex animator and even makes gay sex appealing by removing as many masculine traits as possible from his characters.But his speciality is red lines patreon bans for. Yes patreon can "not check" and you can exist in a grey area. But you're really asking for this.Is there no guide by patreon for what adult content is allowed so we can laugh at people who ignore it? It's like they don't want to say.
>>150895631as a modder, a lot of modders have their own discord server and just share updates in that. it's fucking annoying.
>>150888857Or get a real job
>>150908045Patreon is to artists what YouTube is to video creators. An authoritarian shithole that can ban or demonetise you for basically anything they like but everybody still uses it because it has market penetration. I don't really know how you fix that, multiple alternatives exist but hardly anyone (creators or consumers) uses them, so making any money from them is difficult unless you're already popular enough to convince your audience to follow you to another platform. The modern corporate internet is shit.
>>150908105>have marketable skill people want>ignore it and instead cripple yourself stocking shelves all day longthat's retarded
Will they allow a comic if you draw an ending where everyone pretends it was a porn shoot instead of hardcore snuff?
>>150903299But anon, it all happened *in the past*.Why would you be upset over funding it? That stuff will happen *in the future* and if that makes you wince, if it ever happens right now, it's now *in your vicinity*.Why, the person you're talking to may have made it *at some point* but *that's fine.*Next you'll say something silly like "I'm not comfortable with watching this. That's a child. don't you have any shred of common human decency? Would you rape me for your own pleasure if you could get away with it?" Pfff.The only thing I hope is people making these arguments are afraid of real porn and so aren't actually advocating CP.
>>150898436Western union
>>150908115>An authoritarian shithole that can ban or demonetise youThem owning their storefront doesn't make it authoritarian. Though it is admittedly an ill defined word.The alternative is commissions.I've known artists who want to make all payments "gifts" to get around taxes. Yes I would like it if I didn't have to pay any tax either but be responsible. You're not being buttfucked out of the blue.
>>150900712also, the guy behind Questionable Content is on the Top 30 as well
>>150908480Terrible
>>150908136If your only marketable skill is drawing masturbation material for furries, it’s time to reassess your life.
>>150908769Fuck off
>>150896565>oligopolies where a few gigacorpos can have such a massive and arbitrary say on the livelihood of people is shittyWhat are unions? Just monopolies but people are supposed to love them>the fact all western artists have to draw porn to pay their bills is also shitty.They choose to do it because they're sexual reprobates and degenerates, not because circumstances persuaded them to. Knowing how these freaks' minds work, they are far more deserving of hate than you think
>>150900712>I myself reported themCunt.
>>150909104>t. PedophileYou're subhuman
>>150908086Yeah, that's a result of mod hosting sites deciding to play gatekeeper and pick and choose what mods are allowed based on arbitrary criteria.>should I upload this mod I've been working on for months/years to X site and hope and pray they don't decide to nuke it?>or should I just distribute it over my own personal discord room where I have full control?
>>150909169You need your bones broken
>>150909340kek no it isn't, patreon can host files. most of these discord excusives are titty mods which nexus allows. unless your entire output is 'make wyll from bg3 white' mods, that isn't a good excuse
>>150909361You won't, pussy
>>150888857Patreonnitself does much less and gets paid much more than any of their artists.
>>150894100Always were. Leonardo da vinci couldnt eat the cistine chapel. Someone had to give him money
>>150887676It's not and they rely on it because they are stupid
>>150887676Tough shit, learn to use Crypto. That's the future of porn.
>>150898492So basically modern day Tipper Gore
>>150909449>translator gets ire of rhdn people over making an accurate translation instead of censoring it>his stuff gets nuked off the site>"ugh, you are probably just trying to hide racist mods!"Again, creators don't like some gatekeeper faggot deciding if people can see their stuff or not. Because it's always a steady slide from "We removed this because it was highly offensive" to "We removed this because we personally don't like it". In their private discord, the creator sets the rules, so they don't have to deal with any of that bullshit.
>>150900712>, I myself reported themsnitches get stitches
>>150887796Susbcribestar is shit for support and register process. Sometimes they can take over 2 years to confirm your account.Fanbox uses yen. Yen is fucking dogshit. And they also got cucked by credit card censorship.>>150887676Better question: why are credit cards so assblasted over cartoons? They are not real.
>>150908105That's a real job.Shilling corporations isn't. >>150908769That's a
>>150908769Cry me a river, puritanqiqe.
>>150909940
>>150910326sex and jerking off is different. I'm sure you'll understand when you get to sex ed.
>>150908234>Them owning their storefront doesn't make it authoritarianThem banning people based purely on whether they like them or not does.
>>150910326"Controling your urges" is idiotic and damages your mind and body. It's just a meme people use to excuse their mental disorders. Human instincts are what allowed us to survive to this point, and are 100% what we should do at all times including millions of years in the future.
>>150910326>The internet needs to be real life.
>>150908139>>150898504This is the average mindset of anyone from south east asia btw
>>150910387Spoken like a true internet brain rotted coomer who can't stop fapping his life force away for even a single dayNext you will tell me to stop projecting or stop acting like a "puritan"
>>150910830Shut the fuck upPlease just shut the fuck upYou're starting to sound like you came out from the sharty
>>150908136>>150909931>"just make porn!"lol, don't, and the people who do choose to because they're degenerates>>150908944>nonanswerI accept your concession
>>150910860Rent-free>>150909940>ESLEither Third-worlder or retard, either way you're subhuman
>>150908944>>150909940Hey, I'm not saying don't do it if it keeps a roof over your head, but let's not make out like eking out a living drawing furry porn makes you a fucking folk hero.
Are there any Loli friendly art aggregators that allow payment or is it just Pixiv Fanbox? I dont do hard Loli, just cheesecake and I wanna see if I can make beer money for my doodles.
Patreon dying would be a godsendI've said it before and will say it againArtists should not be allowed to make money. This includes the industry I dream of a world where there is no animation, entertainment, or sports industriesThe only jobs that should exist are real jobs.
>>150908045It's a drawing. Nobody gets harmed in it's production. Literally a victimless crime. But leave it to the cocksuckers of /co/ to immediately lick boot and anus of the big megacorp.
>>150912795>It's a drawing.posted it again award
>>150912830gluck gluck gluck award
>>150912849posted nothing meaningful award
>>150903518Amex and Discover?
>>150907620Patreon has taken down people's pages for less stupid
>>150913659Such as?
>>150910387"Do ast tbou whilst" huh?Well the people banning your shit and setting people on fire for the thing you are saying they should do sre following their ideas. >>150894100Anon, people receive something called "money" for performing a service. You can then use this "money" to exchange for goods and services that you need And pay government for protection and to prevent being beaten and robbed by either criminals or the government thrmselves.I can not dumb it down for you any further.
>>150912182What would be your ideal policy regarding this whole issue?
>>150912830>>150912849>>150913060
>>150914275nta, but tickle fetish artists get shit on by patreon often because it falls under them considering tickling as a nonconsensual act
>>150912236ObsessedEither UOL first problem or a gluck glucker fag.
>>150914275>Female character who is flat chested but is as tall as any grown man but they're flat so it's loli>Short female character who is clearly an adult but they're short so it's loliThese are the two most consistent reasons I've seen behind why someone's Patreon was shut down or threatened at knife point
>>150912182confession denied
>>150898504>no past or future>only presentbrown or pretending to be retarded. next!
>>150898628I'm pretty sure the case that got CP banned in America was about a VHS of some boys jacking off. It was banned because it was gross, the stuff about protecting children was made up after the fact to justify it.
>>150907752Well it's probably more like 95% of the audience who won't give any money. Which makes the 5% paypiggies all the more precious, really shuld be a more premium experience for their patrons. Game companies might see some caveins from fomo and social pressure, and of course their installbase is magnitudes bigger so they can burn some goodwill.
>>150914636Hard to say, I will say that after the law was passed, they immediately did the biggest sting-op in known history up to that point and it got so out of hand that it became the case where the supreme court had to define entrapment.It were sort of a weird period of timelike that, a lot of what we'd consider the essential laws regarding protecting children were passed but if you actually look at that whole period, it often veered heavily into draconian territory not just over pedophiles but any situation where someone could say "think of the children!"Remember this is the same period where Bill Clinton passed the "super-predators" bill which basically shuffled armed cops into impoverished neighborhoods over supposed gang fears, only for it to basically be a means of reaching arrest quotas for drug crimes faster
>>150887676as an adult I have too much money to spend and no idea what to do with it all
>>150914578>"confession denied"Subhuman gonna subhuman
>>150914959You are spending it well so far, thank you for supporting the arts. It's what people with money are supposed to do, generates culture.
>>150915394>still in denialSubnormal gonna subnormal
>>150914959I have no idea what any of these are.
>>150915536true rich chads
>>150915629Still no idea.
>>150914458I'm sure the fact they're tied to chairs and stuff wasn't the problem and it was specifically the tickling that caused the indian retard in Trust and Safety to burst a blood vessel.
>>150914959It's your money. Don't let the retards tell you what to do with it.
>>150914761Filling prisons with slave labor after the Crack the cia shipped in and media crafted delusions of drug gangster studs amd glory did its job.
>>150909919Credit card companies are trying to become more authoritarian. It’s all about trying to take more power and more freedoms away from good people. Meanwhile real criminals are being let out of jail. Same shit they did with Steam Games recently. People should try to create or find other options than using these (((big companies))) trying to subject people to their whims.
>>150918414>Don't let the retards tell you what to do with it.they will ask you unfortunately, mostly scam hunters.
>>150914461UOL is a Brazilian news channel, did you know that?
>>150919653Yes, we know.https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/image/M-6tC5ON3CDhi-1ZFDBVWg/
>>150887676I like watching them panic and commission beg when they need something like $80 for dental work, a vet bill, a doctor bill, a new tablet, or auto repair because most of them spend too much time working on single pieces so they don't have time to work on an actual job with guaranteed regular pay, dental insurance, and health insurance. Dumbasses never figured out that their hobby should be side work, while they focus on actual work for financial stability.
>>150920109How do you get good at art if you have a job?
>>150920380This.
