no

>>150892441
Genndy put $500 in it after being told he could fuck cartoon characters if he wanted to so yeah

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>>150892441
What are the odds of Pan doing pic rel?

>>150892470
High.

>>150892453
No he didn’t.
You can’t even get the most basic facts right.

>>150892470
Pan’s been pretty quiet in general. If someone actually succeeds in begging their way into a Glitch deal, I could see him going for it, but otherwise I think this is a step too pathetic even for Pan.

>>150892441
He needs to stop dating fat girls/troons and then casting them as his depressed fat loser girlfriend who keeps failing at art, just so his character can put his arm around her and say ‘its okay youre a loser, because you and i are a couple’ a thousand times (aka negging and belittling someone into believing they are worthless without you)
Also the entire OC sector of the internet is batshit confused. Not only do they invest their naive artistic hopes and dreams into what is ultimately an imaginary friend they say other people aren’t allowed to draw or draw certain ways, but then Pan actually turns around and proudly depicts this overcrowded trash heap of immature combatants like its an actual social scene and natural thing to do

the doesn't need more hideous cartoons

>>150892441
He literally doesnt know how a face is put together so he obscures that with really transparent claims of ‘style’ when in actuality he doesnt know what hair looks like or that people have temples on the sides of their forehead
And his girl character has a massive tangent right on her big eye

No one cares about your cartoon, Pan. Fuck off.

>>150892441
He got overshadowed by the other pilots. This is a bad time to get into indie animation everyone is doing it so the competition is fierce right now.

>>150893193
>He got overshadowed by the other pilots
LMAO
Sure that was the reason

>>150893219
His pilot is bad, his voice acting sucks, he voiced too many character. There are lots of reasons for why it failed. But had this pilot released during a time indie cartoons were rare he would have had a way better chance.

>>150892441
Lol

>>150892441
Is it not getting animated on its own?

>>150893271
Pan doesn't have the money to fund this. He's hoping it gets picked up so he doesn't have to worry too much about the cost.

>>150892658
Learn to spell

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>>150892470
>Thank you for your time,
>Zig-A-Zig AH
How do you do fellow kids?

>>150892441
Pilots are either supposed to be a rough first draft that gets reworked into a whole show, or if they are good enough, used as episode one and jumped off from there. Pan has no chance of either of those things happening because he's already redrafted the concept several times already, and as a first episode, it's fucking garbage.

>>150893699
The self-funded indie pilot released on youtube is a double edged sword.
On the one hand, it can show networks precisely how your idea would look in finished form so you don't have to rely on them getting the idea from your pitch deck.
On the other hand, they tend not to like things going public before they have a chance to meddle. If the pilot is only viewed privately, they could potentially push/pull things to fit their brand better. Once you publish it on Youtube, options are slightly limited.
They're also looking at market viability. If you're pitching to the network, they have to guess how viable your idea would be. If you release the pilot on Youtube, they'll be able to see precisely how viable it would be. Hazbin was picked up largely because execs saw the explosive demand. Kiana has allegedly been in talks with networks for her "Pretty please I don't want to be a Magical Girl" for a similar reason. Lackadaisy allegedly had interest from mainstream networks from the moment their pilot dropped (and it eventually lead to them pairing with Glitch).
Loki IRL was released a month ago and has 416k views. That's not bad for youtube, but it's not the sort of numbers that are going to get networks excited to offer a deal.

>>150892441
zero

If Pan Pizza keeps a humble budget then he'll be alright.
There's SOUL in jankiness. And the main theme of the story about being a struggling and mediocre artist resonates with a lot of people.

One thing that really bothers me that I haven't heard anyone talking about - Pan's use of the term "full bleed" clearly indicates that it's something he thought sounded cool, but has no idea what it actually means. Did he just look up random design terms and pick something that he thought sounded badass? His usage makes no sense in context.

>>150894130
I assumed "full bleed" means something like "getting real", because real creatures bleed or whatever.

>>150893193
This is the best time. If you're idea is good, you will get an audience because most of these pilots, like Pan's, suck. There is no good enough hook with most. Black magical girl was just an animatic and it blew up. Meanwhile Monkey Wrench is pissing 60k away with each episode.

>>150894304
It's a design/printing term which just means that the design goes to the full edges of the paper instead of having a blank margin around the sides. He uses it to indicate being "extreme", but considering what the term actually means, it's pretty lame.
It's like if they were cooking instead of drawing and he said "Let's take it to the AL DENTE!!!!" Cooking pasta less so it has a bit more chew to it doesn't indicate any level of hardcore-ness. It's just something you do if you want slighly chewier pasta. If you don't know what "al dente" means, it might sound cool, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.

>>150892441
Mango ruined his life and then fucked off to Ukraine to take mad slav dick lmao

>>150892441
Simply off the art-style being incredibly unappealing and ugly, no.

>>150893193
on the other hand, people are actually paying more attention to indie animation now, and there's an audience actively seeking out new stuff.
The problem is that a ton of "studios" are cropping up and they're all sensationalist ads with promises of what they want to create, but they ultimately go nowhere.
Shockwave Animation may be one of the worst in those regards. They put a lot of effort into social media blitzes and they have like 4 "shows" supposedly being produced, but they haven't actually done anything. It's a major red flag when a brand new studio talks about all the stuff their working on but don't have a single fucking thing to show for themselves. If you go to their website, they have a 1 minute reel of random rough animation and that's it. But for awhile it seemed like they were "announcing" a new project every other month.

>>150894511
which slav dick wants that non-binary looking thing?

>>150894734
that's what i'm wondering too

>>150894016
There's also the social media buzz that they can count as a metric. Loki IRL could have stumbled into a few million views, but if no one is talking about it and no one fucking cares about it after seeing it, the studios can easily see that in a few hashtag searches or google trends checks.

>>150894441
Ooh I see.
>Let's take it to the AL DENTE!!!
Kek, I'd watch that.

so was the mortal kombat show fake the whole time

>>150894441
It was said before in all the previous threads, but it's really obvious that Pan has no fucking idea what he's talking about. He's the quintessential internet critic who knows jack shit about the medium he's spent his life talking about. He didn't study any animation. He doesn't understand art or cartooning. He's piss poor at character design. He's not a well-known or popular artist. He's not a big name in the OCT scene, or even in that scene at all. And the worst part is that he doesn't want to get better or learn anything or actually improve. He just wants to have his stupid high school idea turned into a cartoon.

>>150892470
He's not that desperate considering he has a side gig with his YouTube channel.

Remember when Pan used to go live and cry about the Ruby Gloom girl and said something to the effect of “sometimes all you can do is cry and masturbate.” And cried the entire time. I thought it was a weird joke but all the podcasts revealed him to be a huge sad loser

>>150895208
well... he literally has an alt twitter account called "cryingwhilenutting" where he draws NSFW of his own characters

>>150895238
>crying while nutting
Ok this has to be a weird sad fetish

>>150895321
everyone knows about pan's humiliation kink, he's probably getting off to this very thread since he's a /co/ browser too

>>150894016
Another thing i would like to add is that YouTube pilots also have easier or harder times getting picked up depending on who created it.
Using Pan as an example, i don't hate the guy, but realistically, if their are executives who are interested in Loki IRL, how many of them would be put off after finding out he's a porn addict who gets creepy around goth girls?
Don't get me wrong, he's not as bad as the likes of John K, but after the likes of John K executives would be more cautious of who they accept.

>>150895387
>who gets creepy around goth girls?
kek i remember a friend of Valbun's in a previous thread saying Pan used to harass her constantly with lots of creepy dms and she was freaked out by it. the mental image of that is hilarious if true

>>150892441
His art doesn't work for animation and the concept doesn't make any sense.

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>>150892441
No, it won't get picked up because it's overly ambitious and would require too much money. It's multiple different animation styles operating at once, claymation, CGi, rotoscoping, CEO's would prefer that you pick a lane and stay in it. You'd only be allowed to diverge occasionally which would probably mess up the kind of diversity that Pan wants for his world
Loki IRL would work better as an indie series rather than a show with an inconvenient timeslot on Adult Swim

>>150895496
You just described Smiling Friends.

>>150892441
Never. Even if Pan had a decent idea(he doesn't) he literally has zero job experience managing and coordinating the multiple teams of people needed to run a show.

>>150895530
Yes, It's the comparison I had in mind when making the post.
Pan would have to do what Smiling Friends does, one CGI or claymation character (or 2) per every other episode and I don't know if he'd simmer down the aesthetics of his world for the sake of budgeting

>>150895623
pan is so passive that he let his freelance animators delay animating a 3 second cut for Loki for an entire year. imagine him managing an entire team

>>150895208
I remember following him on tumblr years ago and there's so much pathetic you can handle before it becomes annoying, only reason I didn't unfollow was because he posted about underrated cartoons

>>150896078
>>150895208
I feel like he doesn't have to feel like that much of a loser. I don't know what his finances are like but he really does have fans, he's something of a self-made man doing what he 'loves', isn't he? Now I know loneliness can be uniquely debilitating and depression is co-morbid with lack of ability to meet or connect with people, but yes a miraculous change of character and to quit acting like a desperate and negging sadsack would be a fix here

>>150895642
And lets be real, Smiling Friends cuts probably the biggest corner of all, drawing and animating, due to its sarcastically low-quality flash style. And then they outsource one main animation special effect to an outside already-known animator. So they've got this really slick business plan where they just rush all the art and plots for efficiency, but pay really talented youtube guys to dedicate a month to making the one thing on screen that looks like it has something like production value. Gwimbly carried that episode just because he was so mesmerizing to look at. All the cartooning is actually stupid lol

>>150896114
the weird thing about Pan is that while he is indeed pathetic, he also plays it up way more to make himself seem like the ultimate loser. i'm not even sure why he does it. he has "mask off' moments sometimes where you can see that he's able to carry himself without spilling his spaghetti. so he's gotta do it specifically to feed into his humiliation kink or something.

>>150896176
>so he's gotta do it specifically to feed into his humiliation kink or something.
Yeah I don't want to get psychosexual or corny here, but it seems like he's got a pretty odd love language, too much to even go for a cartoon nerd dommy mommy (aka a regular fat and/or tall nerd with natural insecurity but basic confidence, which there are plenty of in his dating pool because they're also a similar type of anxious and easily charmed autist). I'll keep bringing it up, but I can't stop noticing his pattern of slotting his new girlfriends ASAP into his pre-written 'loser girlfriend' character. Imagine that as a man. It's negging, right?

>>150896242
i was rewatching some of his earliest streams with Mango for background noise and he kept saying he needed to "fix her" and "tame her" kek. he could've had a good thing going with Nesska since she seemed genuinely patient and understanding of his autism and other quirks, but he messed it up by always being emotionally unavailable until she couldn't deal with it anymore

>>150896314
>but he messed it up by always being emotionally unavailable until she couldn't deal with it anymore
Ah, the old 'wants em but doesn't really want em' guy. I can be the same way myself but hey I've made it to marriage at least.

>>150896078
>he posted about underrated cartoons
Basically the only reason why i still keep up with the guy from time to time is to know more about cool obscure cartoons and video games, especially the wackey and cartooney games from the past, even more so now that i am building a collection of retro PS2 era games.
I also enjoy his heavy early 2000s aesthetic, the world needs more of that honestly.

>>150896176
I think he's trying to make his more sad traits over the tp and comedic so people will laugh at it so no one will take him seriously when he is his usual odd creepy self as he is afraid people will try to help him due to him becoming too comfortable with what he is and improving himself would be too much for him.

>>150896690
i think you hit the nail on the head. his over the top pathetic antics are just a way for him to avoid dealing with his actual issues since he doesn't like talking about his emotions at all.

>>150896630
>retro
>ps2
Fuck

>>150896733
>>150896690
Sounds about right. I just wish he didn't make a weird cartoon with these Bianca characters and blow all these new girlfriends by asking them to play the bitch in what is essentially a proxy sexual and romantic experience. Like he wants to both live in the cartoon world, and control a woman completely where their real relationship is in his script in the screen.
Also as I was finding Bianca's, me not being his podcast listener, I found his person 'Emily Vasquez' 'Pan Pizza's incestuous little cister' and 'On his Tumblr, Pan has stated that Emily is not actually his cister, but is actually a 40-year-old chain smoker he found in a casino in Atlantic City NJ. ' What the fuck is that shit?
And if they get along like that, why doesn't he just fuck her? Is Pan actually already in his perfect ridiculous 'I have a servile woman who doesn't demand much attention to basically be my long distance doesn't-bother-me-much girlfriend, but also I get to fulfill my kink of being an online desperate loser' relationship (or is this person trans and its not enough)? Honestly the only reason to humiliate yourself in front of Genndy Tartakovsy by curveballing him with cartoon sex, is because you have an impulse to be humiliated in such a way,

>>150896944
>I found his person 'Emily Vasquez' 'Pan Pizza's incestuous little cister'
Oh yeah, this reminds me of Pan making an incest joke in one of his comic con videos saying he was telling his sister how certain family members gives him weird feelings, something along those lines, with the implication of the joke being he talks to his sister about his incestuous feelings about their family.
There's also another joke he made, i forgot the exact video he said it in but i will never forget when he said "Incest, incest! It's the best! Put your sister to the test!"

Haven't watched it (Don't think I will) because the pitch for it was so fucking bad even if the base level idea isn't bad (Stand battles between different animation styles)

>>150894636
>Shockwave Animation
I always wondered what was up with them. They did announcement after announcement, but I got the impression it was just a bunch of teens with big plans and no propensity for follow through.

>>150895057
>it's really obvious that Pan has no fucking idea what he's talking about
I thought he was a graphic designer by trade? "Full bleed" should be a term he came across even if he was self-taught.

>>150895109
how much money do you think he realistically makes with youtube? I don't think it pays out nearly as well as you'd think, especially since most of his videos don't do gangbuster numbers.

>>150892470
Why would you send that anywhere but in PM this is humiliating
Or does he think he's holding glitch by the balls by making it public?

>>150895427
You have to admire Pan's confidence to think that he had a shot with someone who looked like Valbun.

>>150897860
true... nowadays he's going for all sorts of cosplay chicks, particularly this one who goes by "edgelord jinx" not sure if she's reciprocating his advances though

>>150897340
Fortunately, it's all fantasy. Pan doesn't have a sister - it's probably a kink he got as a byproduct of watching too much porn.

>>150897783
I don't think Glitch has their DMs open, but I could imagine that he's already e-mailed them and didn't get a response.
I think he's overestimating his position in the animation scene and hoping that they see this and think "Holy fuck!!! THE John "F" Fountain?!" or perhaps his fanboys will help gas him up in the retweets/replies so Glitch sees what a big shot he is.

>>150897897
No idea who she is so this isn't really based on anything, but after a quick look at her insta, I feel like there's a good chance she's a lesbian.

>>150898168
rip pan's hopes and dreams once more

>>150898168
she has a bf according to one of her comic strips

>>150897779
Well he has a Patreon so at least there's that going for him.

>>150897913
>it's probably a kink he got as a byproduct of watching too much porn.
Oh man i've been there, and i am so glad i managed to escape from the depth i was trapped in. I pray that one day Pan will be able to free himself as well.

>>150897779
he makes a lot through sponsors. he talked about how sponsors pressure him to do post at least one vid per month or else they'll back out, and he obliges because he doesn't wanna miss that big paycheck

>>150897951
>but I could imagine that he's already e-mailed them and didn't get a response.
I wonder how long he waited until he went public with it. Like, what was the time span between him sending an email and then making it public on Twitter. I hope it wasn't too short, i hope he at least had the patience to wait a few months.

>>150892441
i wouldn't

>>150892441
I kinda like the plot even if it's extremely cringey but if I was a boomer shareholder I wouldn't personally fund it because I can't possibly see a show like this get anything more than a single season

>>150897951
>"Holy fuck!!! THE John "F" Fountain?!"
i laughed holy kek. that guy has such an inflated ego for how small his contributions were on all of those shows (and he always got the boot because he was difficult to work with and would autistically push his ideas onto everyone else on the crew)

>>150895387
You've also got to look at this as a potential job interview. They guy took years to get this project off the ground, barely knew what he was doing, and had to hire random mercenary artists and animators to do the heavy lifting for him, and none of them are part of a team or a studio he put together. Sure, he accomplished this on a shoestring budget, but did he prove that he could produce cartoons on his own, and would do even better with corporate backing, or did he just show that he could drag his ass over the finish line if given enough time?

There's kids still in art school right now who can do better work than Pan did with all the help he could find and 15k of his own money. If you were hiring, would you hire the guy who has a shitty reputation and tons of stupid e-drama around him, or would you poach some of that young talent into one of the studios you already use to produce better cartoons?

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>>150897897
could pan ever seal the deal with this cutie? she seems out of his league.

>>150897754
He's a graphic designer in the way that getting your tech savvy teenager to make a website for you makes them a web designer. He can do some graphic design work, but if he's got any training/schooling, it doesn't show.

>>150898626
She'd be friendly at first until she finds out his history, then she'd ghost him.

>>150895530
Yeah but Micheal Cusack and Zach Hadel already had adult swim connections, Cusack more so as he already had a show on AS, as well as that one australian rick and morty episode. Obviously a network would have more trust in those dudes than some autistic youtuber with nothing to show besides a bunch of top 10 videos.

>>150898593
I'll be honest, while everything you said is 100% true, i can't help but feel bad for the guy yet feel happy for him.
On one hand he managed to make the pilot of his dreams that he has been working on for over a decade now.
On the other hand it took him so long and the journey to get to where we are now was just flabbergasting to watch.
While i enjoy the destination the journey could have been much, much better.

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>>150898626
/our/ pizza boy sure is trying

>>150895387
John already had his own production company by the time Ren & Stimpy was picked up. It's not like he was just some autistic perv making youtube videos.

>>150898815
He is so lost lol

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>>150898865
you mean you wouldn't fall for pan's flirting skills?

>>150898822
The difference here is that no one knew how bad of a reputation John would have back then.
But Pan is going into this with a bad reputation already. Again, not as bad as John's, but still not a good look.

>>150898491
>i hope he at least had the patience to wait a few months.
Almost definitely not, but also, anon, you shouldn't wait MONTHS for an e-mail response. A week is respectable. If you don't hear back by then, a polite prod is acceptable. If you don't hear back within a few days of the prod, you take the L and move on.

>>150899000
Oh man, he really is Cody from Total Drama...
And Sheldon from My Life as a teenage Robot...

>>150899010
You didn't explain that previously but you are right, obviously.

>>150899042
Yeah, you're right about a few months being too long, and you're also right that if he did have to wait a few months he should have moved on by now.

>>150899071
While i did try to explain that previously i will admit that i did a poor job at explaining it and should have worded my post better so for that i apologize.

>>150898626
>>150898745
She'd be friendly at first until she realized that he wasn't able to take the hint. She's a mildly attractive cosplayer. She has nerdy dudes shooting their shot all the time, but part of her success hinges on her being available yet unattainable. I'm sure she's used to giving autismos the polite brush off so they understand that she's not interested but still want to follow her on social media and donate to her patreon or whatever. Unfortunately, Pan isn't the type to get the message unless you're brutally blunt with him.

>>150898755
They did the work. They didn't just come out with a show idea and start begging adult swim or glitch for a show. They spent years making connections with people in the industry, collected a fan base, made short works to show their chops and hone their craft, and then their network and skills coalesced to give them the opportunity to create a show.
Luck is preparedness meeting opportunity.

>>150892441
If he plays his cards right and know to avoid awkward siterations then yeah. I hope so i can get more bianca .

>>150899724
>If he plays his cards right and know to avoid awkward siterations
Oof, his battle is going to be so uphill isn't it? I feel bad for the guy...

>>150892441

Not until Pan learns that not everything in your cartoon needs to look like it can be used as a poster.

Cause that's one of my issues with Loki IRL. So many scenes sacrifice animation, staging and fluidity to create scenes that sort of look nice if you pause the video on them.

He clearly took inspiration from a lot of sources (Jet Set Radio, 2000s cartoon, Dreamcast asthetics, Studio Trigger, etc.) but only learned of the superficial side of it. JSR doesn't look like the boxart 100% of the time. for the sake of STYLE, Pan end sup creating characters that look cool when doing a still pose but when actually animating look like absolute garbage and so he skips animated a lot of scenes but unlike the anime he uses as reference (Panty & Stocking a big example), he assumed "oh if it looks stylish enough I can chop the animation and it'll be fine) but you can't do that for scenes that go for TOO long. Yet he does anyways.

Pan should stick to UI and poster design cause he legit is good at it.The problem is him not realizing that translating those skills to animation ain't a 1:1 thing.

>>150902306
>Pan end sup creating characters that look cool when doing a still pose
I'd argue that he can't even do that. So many of his designs are just ass and they look worse in motion because Pan doesn't understand any underlying fundamentals of animation. He's got some vague ideas about shape language and silhouettes, and having exaggerated cartoony proportions, but no real idea of how to many any of them work.

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pan, i know you monitor this thread and let me tell you.
WATCH ZENSHUU!
now i'm not suggesting you should copy the show but it shows an interesting premise that could inspire to your series. I believe your battles require more polishing like maybe artists are still developing their OCs further by sketching more things to solidify their characters, working on their bible as it is called, but not every sketch they draw lands and fails the result so they trash the paper and draw again until it synergize with style and character but paper is not only limited but the pencil as well rans out of ink so they have to think careful what to draw. Perhaps the mysterious gem in his hand was a concept that landed but the artist has no idea how to make it work so that's why it ends in tragedy everytime. Maybe that same concept can be translated on different styles like maybe the CGI have clip errors or rigging isn't as flexible, etc.

>>150892470
https://voca.ro/1cgB7zb3vSUp

>>150902956
Oh it's Fountain, should I actually know this guy?

>>150902956
https://vocaroo.com/1kNdFN5PLsFz

>>150902841
i think pan's flaw is that he focus on the aesthetic rather than the content of the show. jokes don't land but it's because there's only punchline without setup, i get it's a pilot but keep it small steps, first try to makes us understand the importance of OCs and how they create

>>150892441
It was fine
There was a cool battle animation in the middle
Some stuff isnt explained
Didnt like his voice for Loki
Too long
Dislike the "here's a badass thing hes gunna do it! Oops he failed haha" trope
I like the blending of different animations
The statue guard guys were really cool

>>150906692
>trope
Non-criticism

>>150892441
>Another lesbian lead great exactly what I wanted
>Prominent character with that skin condition that tumblr trannies are obssessed with for some reason
>"But not in fat-shaming kind of way"
Yup I'm glad it crashed and flopped
Screwing that pooner really scrambled his brain

>>150907573
>Bianca is lesbian
Why is every short chubby nerdy female in cartoons these days fucking gay.

>>150908111
Because it's part of The Message

Cartoon YouTube reviewers have made their audience believe they can tell you anything about animation while also being spoiled by the good indie pilots/online series that have released recenty. Loki IRL was rough, very rough, but I could see it having something if it was released in the mid 2010's. Its aesthetic and plot are built for a niche audience, which isn't a bad thing.

>>150902306
>Dreamcast asthetics
Aw man i love Dreamcast aethetics, i wish i owned one.
But to stay on topic, while i love Pan's style, especially how it's used all throughout his YouTube channel, yeah, the animation could have been better.
I remember having a confused feeling when watch the training scene with Loki and the punching bag, watch him punch that bag felt weird to me and i didn't really know why until you pointed it out.

>>150902306
>Pan should stick to UI and poster design cause he legit is good at it.The problem is him not realizing that translating those skills to animation ain't a 1:1 thing.
Oh sorry, i didn't reply to this part.
I am not usually one to suggest people to start out with a webcomic first then hope it gets picked up for a cartoon as i say that that'd be, for lack of a better term, easy mood with not much reward for the risks, and i'd tell people that if they're able to go straight to making a cartoon then why not do that.
But for Pan and seeing everything surrounding Loki IRL, i can make an exception this one time as i feel in this instance Pan making a webcomic would have done better for his work and career and would have given Loki IRL more of a boost than what it has now, even if it'd never get animated and stay a webcomic i'm sure it would have still been more successful as a webcomic than a cartoon.

>>150906692
>Didnt like his voice for Loki
I hope Pan just used his voice as a placeholder for this one.
I don't mind it myself but yeah, the voice could be better. Maybe he can keep playing the role if he changes up his voice but he might just need to replace himself with someone else for the character.

>>150907573
If you know Pan you'd know that this is just what he has found sexy for decades now.
Also was the MC ever confirmed to ba a lesbian? Did i miss/forget something?
>>150908226
Pan isn't concerned with any message he just wants to goon.
I'm not defending the guy, i'm just saying that there's a different problem here.

>>150908283
>Loki IRL was rough, very rough, but I could see it having something if it was released in the mid 2010's
Yeah, that's the problem with taking too long to create a pilot. He started it in the early to mid 2010s and created it with Adult Swim in mind, but nowadays it's a relic of the past now that people have moved on from Adult Swim and over to Glitch.
It's a shame because it's not like it's a bad thing, it's just a victim of poor circumstances due to the inevitability of taking too long to finish.

>>150892441
It looks like Ace from the Gangrene gang wants to fuck Mandark's sister.

>>150908537
Who the fuck is Jake? Why a name and a hash?

>>150908449
He did make a webcomic. Are you a bot?

>>150910425
Yeah and he dropped it to make this slop. If he had stuck to his webcomic for a year or 2 he could've gotten feed back and worked out the kinks in his concept and art, but instead he's been holding to his first draft from highschool like a retard and it shows.

>>150910458
>If he had stuck to his webcomic for a year or 2
I thought he was working on it for years

>>150898815
he could at least dm this cringe shit

>>150894016
Space King was also approached by a streaming service (likely Netflix)

>>150910458
>>150910517
He did. In fact, he made a good chunk of the webcomic, then scrapped it and started again with a revised style and slightly adjusted story. He did the exact thing that anons are suggesting and it didn't do any good. As it turns out, sometimes just making something isn't enough.

>>150892441
He has friends in the industry, so why not

>>150911835
I wonder what kind of deal they offered. Netflix is notoriously stingy. I know a handful of animators who got offered "deals" but the amount they were offering for a full season wouldn't have covered production costs for a single episode.

>>150912339
>He has friends in the industry
I think they're closer to acquaintances. How many of those "friends" helped him promote the release of Loki IRL when it dropped? Most people were pretty quiet about it unless they personally worked on it.

>>150910425
I meant a full series.
Although i admit i only seen the firt issue so as far as i know it's just a one shot. Forgive me if i'm wrong on that one.
>>150912308
Ah, well then i was wrong. Apologies.

>>150912308
Finished is better than perfect, as they say. I'm glad he did enough work to see the project through to completion, but the core idea was so rough and so shitty that even if the rough edges were sanded off it would still be bad. Pan isn't willing to scrap and rework the idea from scratch enough to make it work. He wants Bianca and Loki to look and behave that specific way. He wants the "IRLs" to use the specific rules he already decided on and he will not call them anything else. He is unwilling to change the name or story or anything else about it, so it will always suck.

>>150912984
fuck off, bot

>>150915293
>bot
I don't understand how one could even think of such an accusation.

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>>150892441
he should've gotten with robobuddies, she was already a great animator and had ties to the film industry through her family.
the only downside was that she was basically tethered to nolan (i wish she never deleted her videos about trollhunters, but i understand it can look bad on her)

>>150892441
I don't know but the song in the trailer rocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWB68YVvpKI

>>150915593
>(i wish she never deleted her videos about trollhunters, but i understand it can look bad on her)
What happened?

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>>150915633
This shit is pure ass.

>>150915633
This is fucking awful, actually.

>>150915724
Many young animators who make videos where they discuss or criticize animation often delete them when they begin finding work due to potential employers finding them.
She also changed her mind on a few. I remember the Lily Peet Steven Universe video plagiarized a lot from Robobuddies, so Robo took it down so that she wouldn't be associated with Lily.

>>150915633
This is by far the worst song I heard in a real long time.

>>150915725
>>150915743
>>150915794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY

>>150915633
This sounds horrifying but the pilot does have a good soundtrack, all the best ones just aren't made originally for the pilot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuetyUYAGGM&list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLIsmcooUw&list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS&index=18
here's the full soundtrack for anyone who's interested: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS

>>150915998
I need to look up more of 2 Mello.
Incidentally I listened to more of MDotStrange, and the two tracks used in the pilot are the only ones I could stand.

>>150915873
Fuck you and your shit taste, retard. That track objectively sucks shit from an ass.

>>150892441
He needs to be open to criticism. I'm not sure if Pan actually visited one of the release threads, but the person alleging to be him was a bit of a cunt and shut down a lot of valid critiques.

I got all the references and I still think he should have cut them down.

>>150892441
I like Pan and really do want him to succeed, but I think the idea behind the show is super niche and just not something most people wilk find intrest in. Plus I don't really think the pilot looks all too good visually. It's a shame because Pan's art can look pretty good.

>>150892441
The concept is already shit because everything is drawn in the same art style. It's like wtf, dude, you couldn't come up with a better concept to showcase your Y2K inspired art instead of making doodle Pokemon and pretending everyone just draws the same and they draw the same exact way reality also looks? Pan clearly doesn't give a shit about art outside of his little 2000s bubble, it's so stupid that this is supposed to be about art.

>>150913589
On the plus side, he made the thing that he wanted to make which is the whole point of going indie in the first place. Most people just talk about wanting to make something and then make excuses for why they can't do it. I'll always respect the fact that he went for it.

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>>150915633
I can't say I'm into this music, but didn't MDot Strange do an indie animated film like 20 years ago "We Are the Strange" which featured mixed media animation? I recall it having frame to frame animation, stop motion, CG, etc. I bought that shit on DVD because this was before people were able to distribute large video files online.
I haven't watched it since I first bought it decades ago, but I remember the plot being kind of all over the place. It WAS impressive that someone basically made a whole film solo, though.

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>>150918557
>the idea behind the show is super niche and just not something most people wilk find intrest in
I disagree. The idea behind the show is basically Pokemon/Yu-gi-oh with drawings. That sort of concept is already a proven successful formula and I think he could do a lot with it. The execution was just a touch convoluted. Pan's world is really well defined in his head, but he seemed to have forgotten that he needed to bring the audience in on it. He sort of jumps into the middle of an episode, info dumps a ton of lore via narration, and then blunders forward into a bunch of stuff we didn't need to see. All of that info was old news to him, but for most people it was brand new.

He needed a second set of eyes on the script from someone who wasn't familiar with his comics. And no, Daft Peñis did not count. Considering how his animated short turned out, nobody should ever consult him for anything ever.

>>150918712
>pretending everyone just draws the same and they draw the same exact way reality also looks?
Honestly with how unoriginal people tend to be with their art styles nowadays, just mimicking what's popular, i honestly believe it.

>>150919204
>I disagree. The idea behind the show is basically Pokemon/Yu-gi-oh with drawings.
While i agree, i am not one to describe a show as "It's like X but with Y!" but with how much Pan takes blatant inspiration from other media as well as references them a lot i would give an exception to this one, especially considering it feel like the show's concept could stem from Pan watching Digimon on Toonami one night.
I bring up Digimon specifically because i would be lying if i said it didn't remind me of Digimon Tamers, specifically how Takato being a big Digimon fan decided to create his own Digimon and drew Guilmon on a notepad bring his own created Digimon to life by scaning his drawing with his Digivice.
I'll be more honest, as a kid, that scene inspired me to make my own Digimon, what a ride that was.

>>150915593
but why did she call Steven Moffat a right wing gamergate conspiracy theorist?

>>150919204
It's more like Pan reinvented the idea of an OCT, which is literally competitive art where artists enter their OCs to battle against other OCs. Pan is such an outsider to general internet art community that he thought he'd created something original and unique with this idea, but he just created a dumber, faggier version of an OCT where everyone has to be drawn in his faggy wannabe milk-chan/y2k pop art style.

>>150918978
Had to look it up. Hard to believe that such a garbage producer could make such a cool movie.

>>150919475
>i am not one to describe a show as "It's like X but with Y"
It's an elevator pitch, you robot. When you meet people you need to be able to sum up your idea very quickly so you don't prattle on. You'll meet people at parties or in line to get coffee or, as the name implies, in an elevator and you often don't have time for a whole spiel. Comparing your idea to a blend of existing things that people already know is a really fast way to get people to understand the gist. If they want to know more, they'll ask. If you ever pitch something, you'll need to be able to do this.

>>150919901
>If you ever pitch something, you'll need to be able to do this.
It's possible to get the point of a show's concept across without comparing it to anything else, not just for the whole "elevator pitch" thing but even with marketing and recommendations. (The later two being what i was referring to, i doubt elevator pitches go down like that most of the time.)
Here, i'll use Loki IRL as an example.
"Hey, wanna hear about my action battle show where people fight using cartoon characters?"
There, gets the point across while being vague enough to generate interest and curiosity and can be said within seconds.

>>150919981
>wanna hear about my action battle show where people fight using cartoon characters?
Nope. It doesn't give the details. All it conveys is that cartoon characters fight. Comparing it to something like pokemon shorthands a lot in that they know that the idea is a tournament style setup, characters collect fighters somehow, it's meant for the 8-11 age range, you can assume it's mostly episodic, etc.

Plus, open ended questions like that tend to chase people away. If someone asked me that at a party, I'd be looking for the fastest way to get out of that conversation because I would assume they were about to launch into a long-winded speech about lore and shit.

>>150920053
If someone tried comparing their ideas to the work of someone else's i'd just tell them to stop talking.
I say for someone to compare their projects to something else harms it more than to not compare it. Such a itch only works for corporate executives looking to try to find a quick cash grab, we see it a lot in gaming for example.
>"Our game is like Super Smash Bros but with our own characters!"
Game bombs because why would anyone play their game when they already have Smash Bros.
"Our game is like Fortnite but our own style!"
Game bombs because why would anyone play their game when they already have Fortnite.
Etc, etc, etc.
Same works with shows too. If someone says their show is like Pokemon, then people will wonder why they should watch it when they already have Pokemon.
And for those who do end up playing those games and watching those shows based on such comparisons, they'll be going into them with the expectation of having the same experience of what they're playing/watching is being compared to, and then when they start comparing for themselves they end up getting disappointed and start to unfairly judge based on unjust pretenses and not based on how the game/show stands on its own merits.
At the end of the day people want originality, not what they have already seen before, and this goes double for the indie scene, where people go to get away from the unoriginality of big corporations. The best way to market an idea is t make it look as original as possible, no matter how many times it has been done already, because people want new and they get tired of old.
The only people who buy into such comparison pitches are, like i said, corporate executives wanting a quick cash grab, and the people who eat it up are a minority who will buy anything they recognize or feel familiar to them, and even then those types of people are becoming fewer and fewer.
The only exception to this that i can think of is Palworld, maybe Terraria if we wanna be generous.

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>>150920643
>I say for someone to compare their projects to something else harms it more than to not compare it.
Sounds like someone who has never pitched anything before

>>150902956
Please do the rest, I beg.

>>150892441
no because you never start with a passion project

>>150921856
Honestly there are some ideas that really are original that you just can't narrow down to something popular or familiar. Not saying originality is the end all be all but somethings are hard to describe in a few sentences.

>>150922823
Between novels, shows, films, comics, historical references, pop culture references, folktales, etc, it's really hard to think of any ideas that can't be compared to *anything* to at least get you in the ballpark. Nobody exists in a vacuum. I'll stop just short of saying it's impossible to find a work that cannot be compared to a single thing. It may be possible, but if a creator thinks they can't do it, it's far more likely that their idea simply hasn't been boiled down to it's essence yet than it actually eschews all comparison.

I'd go as far as to argue that a well thought out idea *should* be able to be boiled down to a quick comparison. It means that you're aware of common tropes/archetypes/forms/storytelling devices, that you understand how your idea fits within that context, and that you understand what sets your idea apart and makes it unique. There can be novel elements to what you're doing, but thinking that you've created something so new that it can't be compared to anything comes across as naive.

>>150892441
I sure hope not

>>150921856
If i ever were to pitch anything i would never pitch it by comparing it to anything else, in fact i wouldn't pitch anything at all, i'd just go indie and start up my own business.

>>150922952
>I'll stop just short of saying it's impossible to find a work that cannot be compared to a single thing.
Here's the thing Anon, there's nothing original under the sun, that's why we have genres, to classify works into groups based on their similarities and overall style, themes, content, etc.
But to compare one's work to someone else's has proven to be marketing poison as well as just disrespectful.
Like i said, just look at what happened to the platform fighter genre.
If people just classified those games as the platform fighter genre instead of calling them "Smash Bros" or even worse "Smash killers" then the genre would have had its reputation damaged.
>It means that you're aware of common tropes/archetypes/forms/storytelling devices
Yes, that's why we have genres, for decades now humans worldwide have been pitching their ideas, marketing them and even recommending other people's ideas with genres, not comparisons.

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>>150923624
> If i ever were to pitch anything
So you’re talking out of your ass. Got it. Go away, “Jake”.

>>150892441
Idk, I liked it but who would pick it up? Maybe amazon prime will see some potential in it? I dont see it being on Disney Channel, Nick or TV really. Its best bet is a streaming service. Maybe Tubi will pick it up? Lol I think the budget he's gonna need for this isnt going to be realistic unless he gets like really lucky. Pan definitely doesnt seem like the type who's good at negotiations or articulating his points in a straight forward way when speaking in person.

>>150892441
The idea is there, he just needs competent artists to create a better visual style.

>>150924442
The most damning thing is that it's so easy to make a better idea out of this show with better themes and a clearer story and better internally consistent rules about artists and OCs... But the worst fucking thing is that if anyone tries to make a show or a comic about a world where artists bring their OCs to life and battle them, they'll get compared to Pan's stillborn pilot, which is a grievous insult.

>>150924324
As if you're planning on pitching anything yourself.

>>150924371
>but who would pick it up?
I'll be honest, his best bet is Teletoon @ nite, and the chances they will even see it are low.

>>150924695
I work on several productions already.
Fuck off, bot

>>150924708
It would also have a shitty budget and mostly be quickly done tweening animation

>>150924530
He needed someone to consult on story. Pan’s been working this over in his head for so long that the story and rules seemed clear in his mind, but he forgot to convey any of that to the audience. (And it’s likely that the idea wasn’t actually as clear as he thought it was). He kind of had a sense of that so he brought in a consultant. Unfortunately he brought in Daft Peñis who is an even bigger retard than Pan is.

>>150924746
How many of them have you pitched so far?

>>150924530
what's even better is pan might actually be able to sue people now for stealing his ideas. although we know he's not that evil, is he?

>>150892441
What's this about again?

>>150892641
>then casting them as his depressed fat loser girlfriend who keeps failing at art, just so his character can put his arm around her and say ‘its okay youre a loser, because you and i are a couple’ a thousand times (aka negging and belittling someone into believing they are worthless without you)
Why did you let Pan stick his stinky mexican cock in you?

>>150924930
He can't really sue anyone for this, because Foster's and Chalkzone and a bunch of other "what if imaginary friends were real?" type of media already existed before him, and he can't copyright or otherwise claim a concept that predates him anyways.

If someone made a show about a girl named Bianca and her drawing-brought-to-life named Loki, and everyone called this drawings "IRLs" then yeah, obviously he can cry plagiarism. Otherwise, he's got no claim to this broad, unoriginal idea.

Hi Pan, if you're reading this I just wanna say that I love your videos, been a fan since 2012.