What is Jack T Chick's place in comic history?
>>150908955Right wing Ed Wood
>>150908955https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOe4-QY9zD0
>>150909056Someone needs to make a Tingle edit of this if they haven't already
>>150909056Did he really not know what a St. Peter's cross was?
>>150909121Catholics were worse than atheists to him.
>>150908955One of those "wait, did that really happen?" things. Future generations aren't going to believe that Chick was sincere.
>>150909056Why does he look like The Phantom (also tingle)
>>150910427BASED
>>150909046I'd argue he's more important that that. Ed Wood is unknown outside of cult film circles, but Chick Tracts are still handed out by Southern Baptists to this day. I was recently walking around in a major city and some guy was handing them out. I was so surprised I laughed out loud, in a very rude way to the poor guy.Chick Tracts outlived their author by a wide margin.
>>150910449Making a profit isn't important to him. It's more like spreading the his message.
I think that their "place" as far as most comics go is as a source of parody. I've seen them joked about in plenty of places, and IIRC there was that one Rick and Morty episode with "Rick Tracts" mentioned. A lot of artists know what they are, and see them as a weird thing to make fun of.>>150910671I used to work in a grocery store in Tallahassee, and I'd find them left in the bottoms of the shopping carts. One time I was at a bus terminal there and a guy walked up and put one in my hand and walked off. I didn't say anything because I was just weirdly stunned. Like seeing a cryptid or something, I couldn't believe what I'd seen.But in all seriousness, I think that is what is really interesting about Chick Tracts is that they're almost kind of a grassroots marketing thing that has succeeded as nothing else has. This is people printing out or buying and then freely distributing a man's art in a way that no indie artist or zine creator could ever dream of achieving. Granted, they have the budget of Church organizations and the people passing them out are doing so because they think that they're saving souls, not because they just really like the artist. But I feel like what "place" they have in history has to take that into account.
>>150910791I don't think parody works, nobody can replicate the non-intentional hilarity of the originals.
>>150910791Is there a scanned collection of his works? I don’t live in the south but if I did, this is the sort of thing I’d collect.
>>150910427>>150910449Not so much as Catholics are "worse," so much as that Chick believed that there was a giant Satanic conspiracy where outright Satanists, Catholics, Pagans, and advocates of secular society were all in it together.I guess you could say that he thought major Catholic clergy were "worse" in that he must have assumed that they were in on it while most others were just unwitting dupes.It does really highlight how ironic it is that some many of these young right-wingers seem to favor Catholic or Eastern Orthodox aesthetics or talk up being Catholic converts, when the US spent most of its history fiercely Protestant with a massive hate or distrust of other denominations, and most right-wing movements were especially so. There are parts of this country where at the start of the 20th century they were lynching Catholics along with the blacks and Jews.The "rapture ready" types are still out there, but I guess that their ideas of what the Satanic Conspiracy is must have mutated into very different forms by now.
Hahahahahaa Jack Chick thinks everyone and everyone is Satanic. Bet he even thinks Jews are->oh.
>>150910906There used to be some old Web 1.0 sites out there, but I don't think that they exist anymore. They don't have all of them, but you can read everything that they're selling on the official website www.chick.com.They definitely got rid of the infamous "Lisa" one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=092DUlx2hX0&list=RD092DUlx2hX0&start_radio=1I used to keep a collection of all the physical ones that I'd found over the years, but they got destroyed when my apartment at the time got flooded.
>>150909078>>150910512It was either this or 'All the chocolate froth you can drink'
>>150910953American televangelists believe that Israel is the key to start the Apocalypse* and rapture.
>>150911125based, thanks anon
>>150908955A remnant of a bygone era in American culture. The comics remind me of the David Berg/The Family International comics in a way, just without the religious prostitution and pedophilia.
>>150911137People don't realize how quid pro quo the whole Israel thing is for evangelicals. You do have some that think they're 'God's Chosen', or at least say so, but the reality is they think they're unbelievers who will go to Hell but will be used by God for prophecy.
>>150911232>>150911137Careful... you'll cause a tornado with talk like that.
>>150911269pic related
>>150910928Ironically I think one of Chick's tracts provides the answer why Catholicism is gaining popularity with younger people:>Catholic couple spend their lives life doing good and actually making the world a better place building schools and hospitals>they go to Hell anyway for being Catholic, whereas Chick says all you need to do is accept ChristCatholicism promotes doing good works in the world if you're able. American fundies like Chick don't have any particular attachment to the world or making it a better place, they're eager to move on to a superior life in heaven. All that matters to them is their own relationship with God, which while perhaps comforting on a personal level doesn't actually do anything to improve society.
>>150911354The whole 'faith not acts' thing in Protestantism really shows their true colors, as they don't care about following Jesus's teachings they just care you checked the right box on the 'what religion do you follow?' form.Catholics have for centuries agreed that Hell for virtuous pagans was too much, they go to purgatory instead; but Protestants say "oh yeah, all the good people that lived before Jesus? Straight to Hell."
>>150910427He would be correct
>>150910953>catholic germanylost
>>150911354>Catholicism is gaining popularity with younger peopleLiterally every Catholic country has their youth becoming atheists or Prots
>>150911354>>150911388That's well and good in terms of theological argument and discussion of what it means to be a good person.But I was talking more about the Groyper types you see online. The sort of guys who make a big deal about being Catholic or Orthodox but also call themselves "Based American Traditionalists." Real American Tradition wouldn't have allowed their Catholicism to enter this country in the first place.It's also funny to compare them as being kind of the current iteration of a lot of wingnattery to this earlier, anti-Catholic wingnat.>>150911649I was talking about inside the US, that's the work of the glowies abroad.
>>150910953It's funny because the catholics in germany were literally the only people who DIDN'T Join the Nazi party outright.
>>150909046>THIS, IS BREAD
>>150911703>But I was talking more about the Groyper types you see onlineIrrelevant in the grand scheme of things.You can tell when someone is ignorant of religion and theology when they think "Republican Christians" or "Groyper Christians" means anything when Christianity in Medieval Europe built its entire identity around fighting Muslims and converting Jews by force. That's not an endorsement, but a statement of fact.
>>150908955>comic historyhe already has a place on 4chan history, a richer and more respected medium
>>150908955A modern day Michelangelo whose faith propelled him to create superhuman works of art
>>150908955Crazy nutter.>>150910449>Future generations aren't going to believe that Chick was sincere.Future generations are already coming to terms that evangelicals and zionists really aren't sincere about what they believe, but about how much money and power they can hold.>>150910584Faggot.
>>150908955He was the canary in the coal mine for the mental illness of christians
>>150908955A meme.>>150910953Israel's existence and subsequent destruction are required for the second coming of Jesus.
>>150910953>Isreal's army will protect youdoubt.webp
>>150911926That's how you know Chick was a true believer. Those grifters try to deliver a safe, mass appeal message. If they scapegoat anyone, they scapegoat the gays and foreigners that they can't grift or are such a small percent of the population that they don't matter, economically.Jack Chick, on the other hand, believed Muslims, Cathloics, scientists and gamers were all conspiring with Satan to turn you athiest. Just truly crazy shit, on par with David Icke.
>>150911232Actually, the evangelical belief is that when Jesus returns, Jews will be forced to admit that He was the Messiah all along, and evangelicals can laugh and say “Took you long enough”.
>>150912167Pretty much. Jews go back to Israel, they rebuild the temple, the antichrist signs a 7 year peace agreement, then breaks it, Israel is invaded again, then Jesus shows up and saves everyone.
>>150911916Shut up Jack, Michelangelo was a sculptor
>>150912205>Jesus shows up and saves everyone.Just the Jews and True Believers. Guess where everyone else ends up?
>>150910791People outside the states will never understand just how popular Chick Tracts were here.You'd have them handed out on Halloween or in Easter baskets, or much more generic Christian comics copying their format/distribution.In terms of their place in history? It helps that these things are still more popular than people realize. Half a decade ago I found one on a college campus in a blue state, but I'd argue that they always become more prominent whenever there's anything resembling a Satanic Panic so I think QAnon may have brought them back?Their defining era will always be the 80s and 90s where they were basically the poster child of the Satanic Panic propaganda.
>>150912508>You'd have them handed out on Halloween or in Easter baskets, or much more generic Christian comics copying their format/distribution.Grew up in the midwest in the 90s/early 2000s and never saw this, ever. I didn't know these existed till I found them online sometime after 2005, I believe you when you say they were put all over the place in bathrooms and etc, but I have only seen that material since moving down south over 20 years ago now. Think it is much more regional, as it's just not something culturally in places with larger Catholic populations compared to Baptists or Evangelicals.Always fascinating to read through some, I am glad they are so well preserved because there's huge historical and sociologic value in these. Also some of the art is pretty good. He's really much more from the era of American extreme Christianity that groups like the Westboro Baptist Church played into, interesting how most of those have lost most of their media clout as prosperity gospel and mega-church walmart Christianity just kinda incorporated the shit they'd been spewing for years just having people dress up like the Avengers when they sell it.
>>150911950Father Coughlin and all the televangelists of the 1950s were way ahead of him in that regard.
>>150911388It's heavily dependent because ultimately it's all gonna come down to "Free Will vs Pre-determinism" but I'm pretty sure Chick was an outright TULIP guy which is basically.. yeah what you said.The general protestant view is that none of us deserve the Grace but we all have a chance to accept God, but the absolute moment you throw TULIP in there or place too much emphasis on pre-determinism, it basically turns into "God already picked who he wants to save the rest of you are worthless meat puppets destined to die, deal with it."What I will say is that you're oversimplifying it. Basically, outwardly proclaiming yourself as accepting Christ doesn't mean you have the Grace. The Grace involves genuine remorse for sin and under most protestant teachings, will show via acts. That is to say, the teaching is that most protestants who still act bad are not truly genuine in their faith as Christ's grace inherently makes you repentant towards your bad actions which in turn causes you to act in good ways.
>>150911125that's perfect, thanks
>>150910953I legitimately can't even understand what the fuck is happening in this comic.
>>150912614East coast in the 2000s. Westboro and such lost their popularity because they were never actually that big to begin with.A lot of people don't know what the Westboro Baptist church actually was. Basically they were a single church whose congregation was basically entirely made up of the family and extended family of the founder. While mainstream hated them for the homophobia and veteran funeral stuff, they were more known within the Christian and especially Baptist communities for being a PR headache. A random group of hyper-calvinist trying to mainstream the abandoned concept of double-predeterminism while claiming to be part of the denomination who places heavy emphasis on conditional salvation and free will? Yeah that's a bad look. If you can get the Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians all feeling like the Baptists are being unfairly characterized? You've probably created a special kind of shitshow
>>150911232>>150911137I find really amusing how the evangelists and other protestants that believe in some sort of dispensationalism, genuinely believe accelerating the end of times is a good thing. Sounds comically evil, what does your Christian group wants? You know, the end of the world.Especially if you consider Christ warned about how the Apocalypse is going to be worst moment to be alive.
>>150912802It's similar to the nazis trying to say they only wanted to keep the jews safe
>>150912614>>some of the art is pretty goodI forget his name, but the well-drawn ones were done by some employee of Chick's, while all the really cartoony ones were drawn by Jack himself.Jack Chick himself died years ago, but I think that the good artist might still be alive.>>150912802Out of context comic about Chick's warped understanding of the Israel-Palestine conflict and the origin of the pro-Palestine cause.His use of the term "precious" is interesting there. He also used the term in a lot in his comics about how Catholicism is wrong, "precious Catholics." It's like this term he uses for people that the thinks are damned that he's hoping will convert and save themselves.
>>150912896It's a leftover result of the Cold War. There was an impending apocalyptic event, the jews had returned to Zion, and there was increased emphasis on powerful charismatic people in corrupt positions. The USA and Russia filled the roles of Gog and Magog. So, basically the idea of Revelations became almost a comforter at this point in time and you saw an increased emphasis on it in Christian churches. Because at the time, people were convinced the world was about to end anyway. Then the Cold War ended, the Earth was fine, but you had roughly 2 generations who were completely raised on this End-Times prep and "it's coming soon you guys!" so they carried on with what they had been taught thinking that there's some kind of last criteria yet to be fulfilled
>>150910928>>150911354Protestants are literally heretics that don't even follow the Bible in spite of being Sola Scriptura retards. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that the CHURCH MADE THE BIBLE, not the other way around. I've had some Protestants try to claim the Gospel of John isn't canon because it has the best and most obvious arguments against "faith alone."The return to mainline Nicene churches, i.e. Catholic and Orthodox, if anything is what we should expect as the End Times draw nearer. True believers are returning to the true church, whereas the wolves in sheep's clothing who claim to come in Christ's name are cursing those that do.
>>150912956The real irony is that Christians in Jerusalem had a much better standard of living before Israeli occupation, don't even get me started on all the churches in Gaza that have been demolished
>>150912896I need to find the passage but I think Christ even explicitly said once that wishing to see the end times happen in your life time or wanting them to come about is a sin.Again, showing the Protestant hypocrisy of using scripture like a bludgeon and then conveniently ignoring the parts that say their churches are actually being heretical.
>>150912956>His use of the term "precious" is interesting there. He also used the term in a lot in his comics about how Catholicism is wrong, "precious Catholics."Given that this is Jack Chick we're talking about, I suspect he was probably using it in the sarcastic sense "precious" can be used. Just imagine one of his cartoon characters sneering as they say it.
>>150912934That's true
>>150912896>Especially if you consider Christ warned about how the Apocalypse is going to be worst moment to be alive.They are aware of it, because of this they invented the rapture.So they can dream of being in heaven while the people they dislike suffer the full blunt of God's wrath.
>>150912802It speaks for itself, Jack Chick was not the uber Nazi wignat these chuds want him to be but was just another Jew cock sucking evangelical Proddie
>>150912847>If you can get the Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians all feeling like the Baptists are being unfairly characterized? You've probably created a special kind of shitshowI should explain this part since Chick himself was Independent Baptist.There's an old joke about this in Christian communities that goes as follows"Catholics don't recognize faith alone shall save you and believe that grace and acts work in tandem rather than one begetting the other. Lutherans don't recognize the authority of the Catholic Church and believe that you should follow by scripture alone. Baptists don't recognize each other in the liquor store and believe that everyone but them lives in nothing but sin."Baptists are the embodiment of the "Christians lecture everyone else while never practicing what they preach" stereotype, if you want your church to be 75% lectures about how every man is born in sin and most will be damned, a lot of the Baptist churches have you covered.
>>150909046I don't think I've ever seen the original
>>150913156Same thing
>>150910953Welp. Broken clock and the like.
>>150911388Acording to protties the "faith not works" doctrine doesn't preclude works because if you are a TRUE believer at heart you will be compelled to do works anyway, so nobody'd forced to engage in them as a performative show.Then most of them proceed to never engage in works at all and they conduct business with a level of usury and rapaciousness a jew would be scandalized, and they call this Protestant work ethic.
>>150913220I think there's also a variant where the punchline is"Methodist don't recognize they're diet unitarians and believe whatever they want."Not sure about Presbyterians but it feels like the Pentecostals have their own too
>>150913076That's the most obvious interpretation, and I don't doubt that deep down inside he felt that way. What I find interesting is the idea that guys like him can convince themselves that they don't really mean it that way.
>>150911354I assumed all the new catholics on the internet are just mexicans and other browns who recently got smart phones
>>150910671Ed Wood's the mainstream "Shitty 50s movie guy" in popular culture.
>>150913600>other browns who recently got smart phonesThose are Filipinos, and they've been doing it for far longer.
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>>150913229Same, holy shit.>>150909046>THIS IS A THUMB SANDWICH>I CAN ONLY MAKE ONE MORE
>>150909078>>150911125>>150914933This right here is Jack's legacy. His comics are still inspiring memes to this day.
>>150908955My favorite will always be the one in which Satan is depicted as the best gay acceptance counselor ever.
>>150915566I think this one had to be removed from print because of this.
>>150912614>I used the mind bondage spell on my father.That's a funny way of saying you gave Dad the sad puppy dog face.
Hell, anon. He deserves to burn in hell.
>>150913632Nobody cares about that. He's not relevant. Not even the 50's are relevant.
>>150916538This was another of the "so bad, that they had to remove from circulation"
Out of all of Protestantism, which denomination is the least heretical?
>>150916822Calvinism. Does away with all the 'free will' bullshit and just gets straight to the point that God, in his omnipotence, set the universe going in the direction he wanted it to, and if you don't like it, he made you to not like it, so suck it up and hope you weren't one of the ones he predetermined is going to hell.
>>150912294Ever heard of the Saltine Chapo, literally the most famous painting in the world? Yeah, bucko, that was Michaelangelou, and he also invented the color purple and wona nobel laureate for poetry. So sort your life out and clean your room before you dismiss history's original renaissance fair man as just a sculptor, maybe read a book, mkay sweaty?
>>150916822There's certain anglicans that are in communion with Rome
>>150915254>The Mexican lifestyle, though colorful, is spiced with the eternal condiment of SIN.
Nit sure how much it counts towards his legacy, but this fucking comic is my favorite of his.Every time I think of him, the bottom panel is what appears in my mind
>>150918270Henry VIII was no Martin Luther, he had no real theological differences with Rome, he just wanted a fucking divorce.
>>150918270They pretend to be but the Vatican doesn't accept them. There's a term, trin-something, they use. There are eastern churches that don't use the Latin right but are under the authority of the Holy See but no Protestant ones.
>>150918642>righter rite
>>150918270I feel like that means they're not actually Anglican
>>150918349>Leviticus 18:22: "Stewie Griffin is fucking gay."
>>150918349Ah Leviticus 18:22. "Stewie is gay." My favourite bible quote
>>150916538>>150916735Dare I ask?
>>150916908It hard to get the theology about "you're either damned or saved" and the clues about about if you're saved if your life is fortunate or blessed. Still if you're a dumbass, you'll lose your "saved" status.
>>150919086IIRC he's talking about something more complicated. Like Roman and Orthodox Catholics recognize each other's rites and sacraments and so forth as heckin valid and Anglicans because they're the only Protestants with the liturgy are like us too right bros haha but the Orthodox and Roman Catholics refuse to acknowledge them.
>>150916822Lutherans, oddly enough, if you're just talking about differences in belief. Calvinists are a close second, but they get more in the weeds about free will.
>>150919284Pedo dad only has to accept Christ to be forgiven for raping and passing around his daughter (who looks about 5) and giving her an STD, now they can be a happy family again!
>>150919481Oh yeeeeeah.He's kinda weird for drawing a story like that!
>>150919511I can only imagine he was taking a soft touch there to not spook off actual diddlers from coming forward.
>>150919421An interesting thing about Catholics and Orthodox is that they can received communion at each others parishes.I've had a Catholic professor who went to an Orthodox and a bit surprised on everyone wore black and dressed pretty formal.
>>150911354>>150911388>all this prottie bashinglisten here niggas, I get that rad-trad internet celebrities are the main way people learn anything about Christianity, but you really shouldn't take their word for everything. They're especially bad when you want to learn Protestant theology because their main exposure to it is either through memes or npc's who don't really think about what they believe in the first place. It would be like basing your understanding of Catholic doctrine off of images posted by Luther's_Top_Guy_1488, what john o'reilly from philly who only goes to mass once or twice a year thinks it's probably all about, and chick tracts. So let me give you the run down on Sola Fide>what does it mean?It's the idea that through Faith in Christ's work alone are we saved. It ties into Solus Christi and Sola Gratia in that Christ's sacrifice is the only thing that can redeem humanity (as human efforts are ultimately insufficient), and that faith in these works provides the believer with continual and permanent grace.>but muh antinominismLuther wasn't an antinomian. None of the reformers were antinomians. The only antinomians are the aforementioned npc's who don't think about or understand anything. It is understood that Faith that doesn't produce good works is a "dead" or, to put it differently, a "fake" one. In Luther's own words:>Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!You'll also see this in historic Protestant communities. The Puritans for example were very keen on Sola Fide, but still placed emphasis on charity and doing good in the world.>tl;drdon't base your opinions of religious beliefs of the lowest common denominator
After taking a bit to actually research some stuff I've come to the conclusion that most of the online shitflinging over denominations comes from each of them knowing jack shit about the other, and if they ever stopped and took a second to work together, they could probably do something about the literal communist infiltration that's been slowly tearing apart western Christianity for the past 70 years
>>150919652truth
>>150919652Right now they're busy working to protect child molesters from being exposed for all the children they molested
