What happened?
>>150911455Nothing? The show had a successful run and multiple seasons.
>>150911455It went Full Weisman and never recovered.
>>150911455Mogged by teen titans go
>M'comm X the White Martian >Atlanteans fighting global warming>Beast Boy talking about how great antidepressants are >Halo's Mom's extremely vague description of Islam >Zatara reciting the entire Lord's Prayer>Orion having autismSeason 4 was amazing
>>150911455>What happened?Weisman didn't have a goy to tard-wrangle him from going full jew
>>150911455gay black fish
>>150911736interracial cuckold fish thruple
>>150911455The dead should not be resurrected.
>>150911562It was just the definition of trying to be smarter than it actually was and I think it really showed by virtue of how much of this felt like someone lifting the remote and hitting the pause button so they can add the super socially relevant scene of the week to prove how mature the show is.That's my fucking problem with the whole "woke" debate raging on right now. Social commentary and representation are fine, but a lot of the "woke media" people were mad about always had the specific feeling like the writer was fellating themselves for writing it by trying to cram in some of the most unnatural dialogue or moments in order to get said commentary into stories. You know, the Saints Row reboot "capitalism is thing" writing.
They reached peak design and couldn't peak again
>>150911562>Zatara's prayer was the only based thing about this show after season 1
>>150911849The magic arc was probably the only good part.
>>150911562I will grant you Orion being captain autismo was funny as fuck.Lesbian browniod muslim Halo being killed routinely was also good.Zatara being a devout catholic makes sense though, he's an Italian immigrant and his whole family has been catholic in the comics since his creation.Everything else was cringe
>>150911455When troons ruin your society.
>I have a boyfriend>So do I
>>150911849I remember those thread, I know they just wanted to do a genderswap and make a cute blonde girl be a villain but I don't they anticipated the response she was gonna get
>>150911455The show's soul died with Wally.
>>150911933Nah, before that.People wanted to see picrel + Zatana grow up and take their predecessors places, instead be we got young justice unlimited. The time-skips and oversized cast was the problem with S2, hard to get invested in a story when the main characters are swapped out every season. By season 3 Trump derangement syndrome had ravaged California and the writing staff had all gone insane, I almost couldn't believe it when they did Trump Lex Luthor; it would have been funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
>>150912135I doesn't mind S2 being YJU , because at least we got enough of the main gang.They should have killed Barry and made Wally the main flash and has S3 focus on the S1 gang+ZatanaBut killing barry only worked in CoIE because many people remember the trial of flash arc and needed to end the season with a bang.
>>150911455Pandering
>>150911873Halo was emmy bait. It was already said but the problem wasn't Zatara being catholic, the problem was that the show was already struggling with juggling screentime and then decided to basically pause itself so he could go through the entire lord's prayer. If you literally just had him cross his chest before looking at Nabu in a solemn manner, that would have communicated the same message
It was weird how Weisman, the guy known for pacing character arcs across multiple episodes, handled Superboy. For 25 episodes he's angsting about Superman rejecting him and then they barely touch on it at the last second like they forgot about the subplot.
>>150912630>he's angsting about Superman rejecting him and then they barely touch on it at the last second like they forgot about the subplot.I disagree with that. Kons relationship with Clark is complicated, despite calling him his brother he is his illegitimate son and you can't even blame Clark not wanting to be his father since he had no part in his conception or creation. Worse still is that Kon is physically a teenager, if he had been a child it would have been easier to deal with but Kon is basically a toddler in a teenagers body;Their relationship was always gonna take a long time to iron out and S1 takes place over the course of just 5 months, Kon is ashamed of his own reflection and thinks of himself as defective. Meanwhile Clark had a teenager dropped in his lap after spending his whole life thinking he would be the last of his kind. That doesn't get fixed in a single episode.I hate that the timeskip robbed us of seeing both of them come to terms but I understand why it took Clark several months to work up the courage to talk with Conner. I don't think Weisman forgot about it so much as it would have required more screen-time than he had available to him so he stuffed in the timeskip.
>>150911849Child erotic
>>150913893>she told me she was 15 billion years old I swear
>>150913281Superman was in every way but physically raped to produce kon. Worse it was by his worst enemy. Lex Luthor.He hasn't even mentally prepared for marriage and the possibility of a child. Then all of a sudden this hopeful basic infant shows up on his doorstep looking for a dad. Worse is that he's a good man. He feels terrible for him and he feels even worse for not being the kind if father the kid clearly needs. And fucking BATMAN has yhe sheer fhcking audacity to play good dad bad dad and talk about stepping up.Fuvking batman. I'll never forgive the show for that. Ever.
>>150911455It was a fucking mexican telenovela, this shit always sucked.
>>150911867Surprisingly brutal arc too, I agree that it was the arc with the best all around character design as well, cnnuy bait aside.
>>150911562>Rocket's autistic son>not even that mild acceptable and endearing brand of autism>full on REEE'ing autismshit was hilarious.
>>150912135Young Justice Unlimited would've been several steps up in quality.
Is this moment and the black lighting joke in s3 the only moments everyone can agree were actually good? This was still when it was pg on cartoon network
>>150911455Too woke
>>150913281I don't blame Clark for not wanting to be Kon's father. He didn't ask for it. But then, Clark didn't ask for his powers, either, nor the burden and duty to use them for the betterment of Earth and all life on it.Someone needed Superman to save them, and Superman wasn't there.>>150914154I honestly really like how the show in early seasons showed Batman being a good dad. The episode where Robin feels like he's being passed over for Aqualad by Batman and in the end Alfred nudges Batman and he ends up giving Robin 'special training' by playing hoops with him one on one was great. When he stood up for Captain Marvel to the entire League was another great character moment. "So that he wouldn't" was a big own that Wonder Woman never recovered from.That's why it made Superman cucking out and leaving Kon to suffer sucked so much - you had Batman being dad of the year right there, so you know the writers could've made Superman supportive and loving. Superman didn't even need to be Superdad to do it, right? He could've been a big brother, could've introduced Kon to the Kents (sooner and on screen). Superman could've privately had doubts with Ma and Pa, with Lois, even with Bruce, but he should've been supportive for Kon and there for him.It sucks. He's Superman. He's supposed to be better.
>>150914963>the black lighting joke in s3Race baiting garbage isn't good.
>>150915096They have to play up batman as good because he's the money maker. Even if he's terrible at it in every incarnation. Look at hiw they shit on wally in favor of no ones favorite flash Barry Superman being created out by the rape baby lex created of him majes perfect sense go any normal man on earth. It woukd be fucking WORSE if he acted like nothing was the matter. It would be disturbing to every teen - adult male who ever thought about having a child and normie female..Hopefully.
>>150915096>When he stood up for Captain Marvel to the entire League was another great character moment. "So that he wouldn't" was a big own that Wonder Woman never recovered from.It kind of makes me want to punch the screen because it was so out of character for Wonder Woman to behave like that but then again, she has been utterly ruined in every media to the point that most people have a wrong image about her personality.
>>150915193>It woukd be fucking WORSE if he acted like nothing was the matter. I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm not saying Superman shouldn't have those issues with what happened and what was done to him - there's ways to show it I talked about in the post you replied to - but Superman's not the kind of character, I think, that should let someone else suffer for something they're entirely innocent of. Kon didn't have any part in his conception, and it's incredibly unheroic for him to be punished for it. So by all means, let Clark be creeped out, Let him feel violated. But don't let him punished Kon for it.
>>150915301If it was out of character for her, that sucks, but I've never read any of her solo outings - no interest - and she's either just there to check a box and a nothing burger or ruined as you that it didn't strike me as off for her.
>>150914963If they actually could do that when why didn’t they do it more or give hello Megan a bikini? Also her and Cheshires colors are odd sometimes like look at the way Cheshires is there. Imagine Megan’s green booba and cheeks
>>150915096>I don't blame Clark for not wanting to be Kon's father.I do.Of all people Clark should understand what it's like to be kryptonian on earth and what it means to have parents who love you despite not being human. Conner had no idea what was going with himself and Clark was the only one who could help him through that.>He didn't ask for it.statistically speaker the majority of children are "happy accidents". Clark isn't some asshole, he is symbol of the best of mankind despite not being human himself; not doing for Kon what Ma and Pa did for him is bullshit.>>150914154>Superman was in every way but physically raped to produce kon. Worse it was by his worst enemy. Lex Luthor.All the more reason for him to be Kons guide, as disturbing as it is to Clark that he has son with his arch nemesis it's even worse for Kon. Clark has the benefit of an ideal upbringing and emotional stability that comes with that, Kon has none of that; the fact that Kon can even function as well as he does is nothing short of miraculous to the point that I suspect Miss Martian was secretly adjusting his psyche so he wouldn't snap and to make him her perfect bf.The show has Kon job a lot but realistically Kon is way too dangerous to be left unattended and could easily kill most of the team with a bit of training and the right mindset, all the power of a kryptonian without any of the control in a young impressionable mind that is desperate for approval is a recipe for disaster, Luthor saw that instantly.>And fucking BATMAN has the sheer fucking audacity to play good dad bad dad and talk about stepping up.Batwank will always be a thing when if comes to DC. Batman being an intrusive asshole is perfectly in character, Clark ignoring a problem and someone in desperate need is out of character, thats my problem with it.
>>150915333The cunt that you see in every depiction of her is nothing like she is normally in the comics, she is kind, silly and caring, the last thing she would do is attack a kid.
>>150915686To be fair Diana's personality has been a mess for years, she's been fucked over almost as bad as Injustice Clark. Each writer goes between her being a heartless killer to a goofy somewhat spoiled princess to a complete feminist cunt depending on their own personal politics.
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>>150915645So he's not allowed to be freaked out by it. He has to man up and accept a random rape baby made by his arch instantly or he's not a good man.Bizarro is canon in that universe. Especially him slowly becoming a mindless retardsd monster.Clones being secret monsters of weapons is a possibility. What happens if he bonds with this kid, sees him as hus son anf he has to watch him become another bizarro or doomsday. The fuck is wrong with you?
>>150915645>Of all people Clark should understand what it's like to be kryptonian on earth and what it means to have parents who love you despite not being human. Conner had no idea what was going with himself and Clark was the only one who could help him through that.Totally agree with you. But I don't fault Clark for thinking "hey I didn't want my child to be the product of my archnemesis violating my person and genetic code." That's incredibly shitty too. But as we both agree, Clark is Superman. He's a good man, and he knows what the right thing to do in this situation is. So, despite finding himself in this situation he doesn't want, Clark should rise to what the situation demands of him and overcome his personal negative feelings. >Clark isn't some asshole, he is symbol of the best of mankind despite not being human himself; not doing for Kon what Ma and Pa did for him is bullshit.Absolutely. 100% what I've been trying to get across.>I suspect Miss Martian was secretly adjusting his psyche so he wouldn't snapHer and the team were really all that kept him from snapping and being just like Match.
>>150915686Anon. WW has not been your personal interpretation of WW in over half a century. Shes not stuck in amber never changing. HawkWomsn frim JLU is more of that WW then WW. Its time to move on. Shes dead. This is coming from a Spiderman fan.
>>150916752NTA, but I think both that Superman's allowed to be freaked out, but also that he should accept Kon. All of the shit surrounding Kon's conception wasn't Kon's fault, and Superman rejecting him for it clearly caused Kon to suffer. And all of the possibilities you pointed out? All the more reason Superman should step in and do what he can for Kon, so that Kon can have the best life he can rather than spend whatever existence he may have alone, rejected, alienated, and suffering without control over his body and its abilities.By your logic, Superman shouldn't help or save anyone. What if they get cancer? What if a girl he pulls from a burning building goes on to be a crack whore? What if they become a murderer?
>>150916786>This is coming from a Spiderman fan.Hey, anon. I'm sorry for everything you've gone through.I used to talk a lot of shit about Spider-Man, thinking that the worst they'd do is just break him and MJ up and make Peter broke again. I never imagined Paul and Miles.
>>150916786Makes me think of a particularly odious WW fan named Stheno who hated Johns (based) but she liked attacking and personally insulting every other WW fan on message boards until she'd get banned. Then you got Carol Strickland who'd say Diana should personally disown Cassie and make Cassie call herself "Zeus Girl".
>>150916786>WW has not been your personal interpretation of WW in over half a century.This is from 2018, all it takes it's a writer that knows the character. For the context: Chimp wanted to basically kill himself.
>>150911455Full Weismen and became a Microsoft Powerpoint around season 4
>>150911562>Zatara reciting the entire Lord's Prayer>Orion having autismThe only things that I liked. Does Darkseid have the 'Tsim too? Did Savage pay him in Legos as part of his tribute?
>>150917008Oh well something from a decade ago that hasn't reached beyond that one run. Look. Until that becomes her default its just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Shes not reallyba good character beyond a few short runs. Shes "the femaje" and thats all she'll ever be because too much if what she is, is terrible.There are hundreds of female characters who need the care and attention youre wasting on a failure. Why? What's the point.
>>150914154>And fucking BATMAN has yhe sheer fhcking audacity to play good dad bad dad and talk about stepping up.Batman took in and raised his child conceived by literal rape by one of his worst enemies. He absolutely has a right to lecture people about not stepping up.>>150915645Everything you've said is objectively right.>>150916752By your logic parents of children born with diseases or genetic conditions that greatly shorten their lifespans should just dispose of them in a orphanage because they don't want to bond with a child that will die before them. Conner is by far the biggest victim in all of this and even if you don't believe Clark has an obligation to be a father to him he absolutely has an obligation to the world as one of the strongest heroes to ensure that the living WMD created from him doesn't go completely off the rails.
>>150917634>Oh well something from a decade ago that hasn't reached beyond that one run.Let me cope, I have hear good things about Absolute Wonder Woman but still have to read it ;-;>There are hundreds of female characters who need the care and attention youre wasting on a failure.Name a few I'm open to new stuff.>Why? What's the point.Because of her peak moments.
>>150916911I was gonna answer him but you beat me to it.>By your logic, Superman shouldn't help or save anyone. What if they get cancer? What if a girl he pulls from a burning building goes on to be a crack whore? What if they become a murderer?Couldn't have put it better myself>>150916752>So he's not allowed to be freaked out by it.There is nothing wrong with being freaked out but that doesn't mean it's right for him to leave someone only he can really help to languish; thats not the kind of man Clark, comics addressed this much better over a decade before the show aired see >>150915645>He has to man up and accept a random rape baby made by his arch instantly or he's not a good man.What would Ma and Pa do?Also, keeping Kon close is a far better option even from a purely Machiavellian perspective, given how dangerous Kon could be making sure Lex can't use his desire for parental acceptance to manipulate him is the smartest course of action.The only reason Lex's attempt to use that tactic fell through was because he manipulated Kon right from the start, if Lex had slow rolled it and actually showed Kon some genuine fatherly affection he could have turned Kon for real.>Bizarro is canon in that universeYeah, thats what Match turns into, none of which applies since Match doesn't go bizzarro until years after Kon was born.>What happens if he bonds with this kid, sees him as hus son anf he has to watch him become another bizarro or doomsday. He will do what he can to help, just like he did bizarro >The fuck is wrong with you?I'm talking to a guy who doesn't understand the character Weisman basterdized
>>150911455Chugged the glitzy gobbling goyaid until even the most gender euphoric of sistas couldn't ignore it
>>150916977>I never imagined Paul and Miles.NTA but I just wanted to say that (((bendis))) is a sentient cancer upon everything he touches.
>>150917787>glitzy gobbling goyaid Speak english
>>150917853Oh yeah, my bad.*Glizzy gobbling goyaid
>>150911562show any of these clips to the next shart-huffing faggot who asks "hurr can you define woke", there is no excuse, it's textbook preachy nonsense destroying a series out of the blue
>>150911723Is this why he nerfed Kon and Wally?
>>150911849Imagine being a hero and getting ambushed by her by yourself
>>150917751>>150916911I know he should care for the boy. Im arguing that his reactions make perfect sense. You are arguing that he has no right to have any emotions at all.I have no doubt he'll rush into apocalypse and punch through the parademon army and break darkseids haw with a punch while SCREAMING GET YOUR DAMNED HANDS OFF OF MY SON"But that doesnt mean he isn't allowed to be upset by it and need some time. >>150917640He barely wanted to deal with Damian. Dick did most of the fathering with Alfred acting as intermediary. Or have you replaced what happened with retcons.
>>150917875What does a sports drink have to do with anything
>>150918054>oh nee, wat moet ik doen!?
>>150911455I don’t know but it makes kind of glad that spectacular spider-man was canceled after 2 seasons. I can only imagine how bad it would have gotten
>>150911736>gets mindraped by Megan, becomes gay fish>150911751gets cucked by Megan, becomes cuck fishhmmm…
>>150918305It's not a sports drink; it's a poison-laced sugary drink. The iconic cool-aid, but for goys
>>150917932Unicrocnically yes, I don't have the post but if you go through his q&a page he outright says that he wanted the White male characters to always be second to the more diverse ones. It's why Wally never got faster and Kon never got his TTK
>>150918597You know.... thats a good point. Megan does seem like the type to be a yaoi fangirl
This show lost me early one when it chose to portray Superman as a deadbeat dad for not wanting to be a father to Konnor, the clone made to kill him.
>>150918063>You are arguing that he has no right to have any emotions at all.No, we aren't. Well, maybe one anon.>I have no doubt he'll rush into apocalypse and punch through the parademon army and break darkseids haw with a punch while SCREAMING GET YOUR DAMNED HANDS OFF OF MY SON"Frankly, it seems like you do.>But that doesnt mean he isn't allowed to be upset by it and need some time. I haven't said anything remotely like that.
>>150918063>You are arguing that he has no right to have any emotions at all.>There is nothing wrong with being freaked out>he is his illegitimate son and you can't even blame Clark not wanting to be his father since he had no part in his conception or creation>Their relationship was always gonna take a long time to iron out and S1 takes place over the course of just 5 months>I understand why it took Clark several months to work up the courage to talk with Conner.If you are gonna make shit up at least read my posts and come up with something that I don't directly address. I fully understand why Clark would be disturbed but the whole affair, my point is that it's wrong for him to leave someone as dangerous as Kon to anyone else as he's the only kryptonian on earth as well as that it is wrong to pretend he isn't his illegitimate son. It's gonna take time and Clark being freaked out is normal, but Clark and Conner aren't normal people, their situation is highly unorthodox and requires immediate attention in way that would not apply if they were both ordinary humans.
Kinda curious, what was everyone’s breaking point with the show? I hated season 3 as much as anyone, but the moment where I really started to really lose interest was in season 4 when they showed how Batgirl became Oracle. I’m a pretty big Babs fan, so seeing her lose her legs in the stupidest way possible was what did it for me.
>>150919165for me it was the aqua cuck faggotry
>>150918446>ywn be bullied by a lord of chaosJUST
>>150918956>>150919034Hes not his bastard. I know you want to frame it as such and shit on him for not just being happy and being super dad.Thats insane.He doesnt instantly embracebthus random near 20 year old who says he's his son. Well he must be a bastard deadbeat father!!Kon is a rape baby created to kill him by his evil MALE arch nemesis. And its nit even the first human that twisted piece of shit has created as a weapon or prototype destined to fail or die.That's on the table too. Hes a man these are things we worry about. This is fucking horrifying to any normal man on earth and most men woukd just disavow the kid. But he's a good man and I'm spite if his origin he will end up loving the kid as if he's his own. And thats the twisted part. Luthor knows this. He depends on his humanity and innate good. He would factor this fatherhood part of him and use it as a weapon against him. He woukd end up fighting for and even embracing his "son" even as he put a kryptonite badminton his back And no. Kon is not on any level equal to a kryptonian. Hes easily handled by 90% of the experienced bricks and has no defense from magic or high tier energy slingers.
>>150919394Seriously, anon, stop being disingenuous and read what you're replying to. You don't know anything.
>>150919551You want him to be a bad guy because he didn't immediately embrace kon and had a normal reaction That's all im reading.
