The more Viv tries to make me hate her the more I love her
Imagine a chubby Stella.
>>150931416Veto'd.
>>150931398Best girl.
>>150931398Indeed.
Do you all ship Striker x Stella or Mammon x Stella?
>>150932180>shippingWhat are you a teenage girl?
>>150932180I ship Stella with myself.
>>150932180Neither! Leave Stella to me!
>>150931913Are siths allowed to take bird wives?
>>150931416That's what the sexy background purple owl babe is for. Crazy how Vizies only good character design are either curvy unimportant gals or her strawmen characters like the Karen and Stella.
>>150932565Any art of the purple owl?
>>150932669Best could find on the spot, admittedly not a fan of Vizie's work and just lust for the few characters that sadly don't get much fan content.https://wimg.rule34.xxx//images/765/a9646d23d1dae829b0264a165eae039dc2917449.jpg?11277307
>>150932216Based.
>>150932180Shipping the freakshit together is for the fags and cucks who like the other characters in this terrible series. I literally just like Stella and nothing else.
What is he dreaming about?
>>150932556I'm not sure if there are any hot bird alien babes in a galaxy far away, but Sith definitely fuck. The Jedi are the ones against any sort of connections. There was even that one Sith lord who had a wife and kids and died peacefully surrounded by family.>Sith lord takes Stella under his wing as his apprentice because he thinks her desire for vengeance is hot as fuck
>>150933067>Stella challenging Stolas to a lightsaber duel
>>150932249Saruman would
What would a metal song by Stella be like?
>>150933911It'd be brutal
>>150931398How would she react once she knows she's a puppet in a game she don't really understand?.
>>150931398I want her owl boob milk.
>>150933005This
>>150931856>>150931913Quite so.
Is BotF worth reading? I hear good things about it
>>150933911Stella strikes me as a Rainbow enjoyerhttps://youtu.be/ughtJ6nLowYhttps://youtu.be/B7nKzCRL_oohttps://youtu.be/V5QukAC-jqE
>>150934857Its fun, it has the best stolas characterization and an interesting magic system, but around a 3rd or a 4th of the chapters are dedicated to agent one and his quest for jewish magics, which is a bit boring in my opinionI wish the author focused more on anon's interactions with the characters, not just stolas and loona, but stella, octavia and, yes, even blitzo
Anon and octavia!
>>150934949Most recent chapter's been pretty good with Moxxie, I feel. And Loona, yeah, but Anon's got these oddly dark thoughts on impulse, which I find interesting. Then there's the interactions with Blitzo...
>>150932669She doesn't have much and I'm unsure of the quality. >>150933067There are the Turians but that's Mess Effect.>Sith StellaNice. Though I prefer Dark Jedi. >>150933447That's an interesting thought.
>>150932216Anyone who doesn't is gay
>>150935005He's gotten a little bit with most of the cast now that I think about it, but so far Stolas has gotten the most focus followed by Loona, which is understandable.
>>150935171Wonderful.
>>150935199Could have made it a bit higher quality, but im lazy
>>150935213I especially love the Stolas in the background.
>>150935231I used AI to make them
>>150935276It was noticeable
>>150931398SEXOOOOO SEXXXX WITH STELLA SEX SEX SEXSTELLASTELLASTELLA SEXXX SEXOOOO BREEDING SEX WITH STELLACLOACA STRETCHING, EGG MAKING, FEATHER RUFFLING, LOVING BREEDING SEX WITH STELLA FOR LIFE
>>150935171>>150935213>>150935276SOVLLESS>>150934976SOVL
>>150935276I figured, I don't like AI generally. I'll make an exception here because it's a good shitpost. >>150935309Calm down, Anon
>>150935344Yeah, i dont like AI either, but its useful for making memes"High quality" slop will always be trash, but these funny ones that dont try to take themselves seriously are fine in my opinion
>>150934976doodled the obligatory anona/octavian edit
>>150935309me too thanks
>>150935475Nice.
>>150934949On a side note, how does the Loonafic I see around here compare?
>>150935516Good grasp of characters and dialogueGood understanding of the show's atmosphere and matching things up to its continuityGood characterization of Anon that makes him feel like what you'd expect out of a 4channer while still fleshing him out as his own character and not a cardboard cutout or power fantasyGood usage of the whole cast and balances Anon's interactions with them all pretty wellGood actionDo note its a slow burn and his prose can feel rough at points because he apparently doesn't have his usual beta reader but Anon and Loona's interactions are great and seeing their relationship develop makes it all worth it
>>150931398What a pretty birdie!
>>150931398
>>150935558Damn, seems pretty good all around
>>150935777Checked>runNever.
>>150935777God isn't giving you a hint, anon, he's directly telling you to RUN THE FUCK AWAY!
>>150931398Can Stella choke on my dick during a blowjob if she has a beak instead of lips?
>>150934949>>150935005>>150935069Going to take a bit of a break from 4chan because it's bad for my soul but do you want the study session first or my rendition of ghostfuckers?
>>150935629Dilate
I don't like demons. Demons are real and all they want is to destroy all your hope of redemption.
>>150931398If a real woman acted like Stella you would fucking hate her.
>>150935953>all they want is to destroy all your hope of redemption.Sounds like marriage.
>>150935975I don't have a fucking room, woman, I'm a broke student from Eastern Europe, so shut your fucking mouth and clean the cum off my dick.
>>150935997Real women act like Stella already, but they're not hot, demonic, owl mommies.
>>150931398>The more Viv tries to make me hate her the more I love herEh, no. I fucking hate "sympathetic villains".
>>150936052>Real women act like Stella already, but they're not hot, demonic, owl mommies.Real Stella's act like women but they're not hairless primates.
>>150936061She's just a stupid, overgrown owl who fell under the bad influence of her brother. If she had gone to the cathedral as a child, she would have grown up to be a moral Christian.
>>150936081>If she had gone to the cathedral as a child, she would have grown up to be a moral Christian....And? Doesn't that theoretically apply with everyone?
>>150936352Have you seen how birds eat worms?
>>150935629I ain't apologizing for shit, nigga
>>150936352
>>150936430No gag reflex, anon
>>150935890I vote for study session first...Will whatever comes first affect the other?Will you still be writing, just taking a break from here? Or breaking entirely?
>>150937181i simply enjoy sharing her beauty around, anon
made a few improvements
>>150937282Can't explain why but this looks uglier than if you'd done it by hand.
>>150933053
>>150931398>Written as a aggressive dumb bitch.>But hey, she's hot.>She's also weirdly submissive with her brother.No wonder why gooners love her so much, but apart from that it makes me wonder is the creator of the show will give her a redeption arc to please all her fandom.Is Stella popular enough to not be killed or send into oblivion along with her brother?.
>>150937428I hope her punishment for being angry at her faggot husband for being a faggot in a yaoi fanfiction is that she gets her ass banished to the Human world to live as a lowly peasant. That would be terrible
>>150937382its a low effort shitpost, its not supposed to look good
how would one go about kissing a bird, anyway?wouldnt the beak make it impossible?
>>150937522That way she can date a human man. I like the way you think. >>150937530Nah he's right, shit looks off and not in the charming way.
>>150937717of course not, anonim just wondering, do you think the edges of their beaks are sharp, hard and cold? Are they a little rubbery and flexible? They do seem pretty flexible on the show with some of the expressions they make
>>150937758There was a Stella fanfic where she gets with some poor fuck cowboy who lives in a cabin in the middle of the woods and it had a cute moment where they kiss for the first time leading to her slicing up his lip with her beak and feeling bad about it. I thought that was pretty neat
Give me your sweetest girls. My soul needs a diabetic overload.
>>150937936
>>150937936.
Who's a pretty birdie?
could you fix her, bros?
Why does she make me keep coming back
I'm so tired bros...
>>150938321Anon, what the fuck?
>>150937039>>150936950>Will whatever comes first affect the otherEverything effects what comes after it. If a linear narrative has episodes not influenced by the episode preceding it in some major way its a shit story imo. The reason I asked was because people wanted more interactions with people besides Stolas and Loona and it'd have that in spades. Really finding reasons for Anon to leave Stolas's orbit takes a lot of effort and will take a lot of time and chapters.>Or breaking entirelyJust the site. I like writing but I'm starting to get into Lewis Mumford and Mauricio Loza. I've also just noticed that forums, image boards and social media make me a meaner and less happy person. I'll still post updates here, and feel free to post criticisms or requests on the AO3 under burners.
>>150938116that would go for loona too, but in her case its more because of her being a coom brain with 0 intimate relationships
>>150938607A good man would immediately fix both of them.
>>150938633>A good man would immediately fix both of them.ok...how?
>>150938647Double date with a couple human dudes. Loona gets her Anon, Octavia gets Kris.
>>150938685>Sticking the enby with the aceWouldn't that just lead to them making eachother worse?
>>150938647Both of them have shit fathers with unstable lives (daddy issues). They both need personal support and healthy emotional expression.
>>150938480Was the study session your original plan to do first? I figure you should do what flows naturally to you.
>>150938480i love to read a chapter dedicated to anon interracting with stella, her trying to put him down and insulting him only for him to take it in stride and try to actually empathize with her, which leaves her wordless and makes her feel a pang of guilt, only for her to go back to her bitchy self immediately after trying to damage control
>>150938711I thought Kris was more like a schrodinger's gender, he's whatever the player is. We're dudes, so he's a dude.
>>150938858if that were the case, people wouldnt call him they/themobviously he is a dude, but in lore i think hes supposed to be nonbinary
>>150938748>Was the study session your original plan to do first? I figure you should do what flows naturally to you. The original plan was>Study Session (Anon)>Ghoul murder spree (Agent One)>More casual interactions with I.M.P and possible meetup with Vortex>Ghostfuckers Was considering IMP vs Dracula Flow but decided against it. >>150938779Stealing.
>>150938872To be fair that's because Undertale is loaded with as much gay shit as HB is, I don't think Octavia is even ace so much as just turned off sex because of her dad.
>>150938711Ah yesMy crackship
>>150938874>>Ghoul murder spree (Agent One)>yet another agent one chapterwow, how great...at least the study session is first, im looking forward to that
>>150937282Much better, while it's AI, it's a shitpost that does its job. An exception to the rule.>>150937363Kek, poor Moxxie.>>150937649Kiss their beak, kiss their forehead or kiss their hand. If you want to get creative you could "suck" on their beak in a way, allowing for an open mouth or a tongue kiss in a sense. That is if you think their beaks are sharp enough, but remember they also have teeth, so their beaks might not be sharp.>>150937406>>150937530Speaking of low effort shitpost. Here you go Anons, another gift. >>150937717Perhaps.
>>150937649I've put considerable thought into thisThe bird person would have to come at a slight angle and sort of anchor their beak on either side of the lips (it may be more or less difficult depending on the shape and sharpness of the beak) Doing it this way allows for tongue action though it would likely be somewhat awkward and uncomfortable for both parties
>>150937936I'll throw a curveball.>>150938874>Dracula Flow vs IMPIt sounds stupid but it's great. >>150938321Anon?! Are you okay? >>150938168She simply has got that magic, Anon. She's one of the reasons why I started coming to these threads.
>>150939019alternatively, she could always just open her beak wide open and let you stick your mouth in there, like how they do when they feed as chicks
>>150939019NTA but, I believe were on the same page, Anon. Might be awkward at first but practice makes perfect.
>>150938917You don't gotta read it and it's necessary for the story I want to tell in ways that will really affect Anon.>>150939056>It sounds stupid but it's great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II8Gl1oYoys
we need more girls in sundresses
>>150938874Looks like a good enough roadmap. You thinking about changing it?
>>150939345Fuck off with this ugly shit already
>>150939380Nope. Might release the One chapters as double features with Anon chapters if people don't want them.
>>150939437Seriously he's getting worse than the bathound guy
bros, does via have the tism?
>>150939478No.
>>150939478Octavia is sheltered and neglected which stunted her social development. Loona might be an exceptionally mild autist.
if you asked stolas about aliens, what would he say?would he say they dont exist? Would he admit he doesnt really know?surely the existence of alien life would fit within his purview as an astronomer, no?if aliens exist, do they have a separate hell/heaven they go to?how would aliens even fit into the hell-earth-heaven dynamic?
>>150939478None of these are even exclusive to autism. I mean, auditory stimming? She's just bobbing her head to the music. No different from tapping your foot to a bop.Considering it's a headcanon, there's no doubt in my mind that this person is merely projecting their own autism onto a favored character, to make them more relatable. In other words, narcissism.
Autism is massively overdiagnosed these days.
>>150939545>Canon/HIL StolasSay they didn't exist and that its just angels/demons playing pranks which is proven right.>BOTF Stolas He'd say they're real, either he just knows they exist or he's intimately familiar with them.>Do aliens have their own Heaven/hell Probably. A good way to fit in Lovecraft stuff is that every planet has a Heaven and Hell and Shub Niggurath and Nyarlahotep are intergalactic versions of Ozzie and Lucifer respectively.
>>150939588>>BOTF Stolas>He'd say they're real, either he just knows they exist or he's intimately familiar with them.>anon one day decides to ask his master if aliens are real>”Why, of course they exist, my good boy, although i wouldnt advice going looking for them. In the grand scheme of things, the liberty and individuality which our cultures enjoy are *not* the galactic standard, most of these creatures would kill you as soon as they saw you...although some of them are more tolerant than others”
Are these threads just asinine questions getting spammed along with low quality slop now? They used to be better.
>>150939664>asinine questionsits called worldbuilding, anonbesides, we have nothing better to talk about until season 3 comes out
>>150931398How does she perform a blowjob with that beak?
>>150939474At least Bathound looked cool, lol.
>>150939703birds are throat GOATs
>>150939711Yeah I miss the drawfag, I rather have him here than the slop spam with zero taste.
>You and Octavia finally have a moment all to yourselves.>Your relationship has been growing, Octavia has been grateful for you and wants to repay you while finding a way of making the relationship official.>Whilst dancing to music, Octavia stares at you, smiling giddily.>Before the song ends, she leans in, not wanting to wait.>She presses her beak against your lips, tears drip from her eyelids.>You wrap your arms around her waist.>She digs her beak harder against your lips, all seems to be going well until."Ow">Octavia pulls her head back, she's confused but more so, scared.>Then she sees what made you yelp in pain.>There is a noticeable scratch on your lip, its bleeding quite badly.>Octavia just gets on the floor, covers her face and begins to weep and shiver.>Her special moment, ruined by her beak. >Then, she feels a hand come across her cheek.>You help lift her head up to look up at you, smiling.>You make her get on her feet, you lean in and kiss her beak.>You hug her to assure her the moment wasn't ruined.>She cracks a smile, tears still falling from her eyes.>You two start to dance again, to reignite the moment.Fuck your AI, time for wholesome greens.
>>150939733>Yeah I miss the drawfagSame.
>>150939664Lately it's been a spic Octaviafag who posts the same questions over and over again, and never lets discussions breathe or rest. There always has to be a thread going on NOW. He also hasn't watched the show; his being here is hyperfixation on a character that looks visually appealing.
>>150939635>Stolas has been going out and getting deliberately Anal probed by aliens >treated as him cheating on Blitzo>Blitzo now has to square up with a gibberish speaking Alien voiced by Zach Hadel over who owns the sadbird's ass
>>150939749This feels like a huge part of why the threads have nosedived, and now he's spamming slop along with it too
>>150939783It's why I said in the previous thread: Octavia is slowly becoming the next Loona when it comes to neurologically-fucked orbiters. She's already got two fatfag artists attached to her; now she's got a dedicated AI slopper.Thank God for Stella. She remains the autism kryptonite.
I hate to say it, but honestly, I'd rather read a bathound green than the Octavia shit.
>>150939891I don't think Octavia is at that level in terms having unscrupulous individuals like with Loona, least I hope not. Though when the next season comes that could change. I worry that could happen to Stella.
>>150939927What's wrong with the Octavia green I did?
>>150939736if she sees that its hard to kiss with a beak, would she don a human disguise to make it easier?i would imagine shed slowly start to feel insecure if anon prefered her human form, though
>>150940001She's too young.
>>150940040>muh 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 20 seconds oldjust sod off
>>150939891>now she's got a dedicated AI slopper.nah, i just learned about the site from /snoot/ and had a few meme ideas in mindi wont post any more sloppa
>>150940028Likely, if Anon preferred her human form in order to kiss her she'd might feel betrayed in a way thinking Anon might not actually love her. That is if the Anon in question wants her to go into human form in order to merely give her a kiss. They could simply find a way to either make her beak less sharp to avoid Anon getting cut or find a certain way to have lip to beak kissing.
>>150939971Nah, nothing will happen to Stella. Loona (and to a lesser degree, Octavia) are critter-magnets because they're relatable. Stella isn't. She's unpleasant, confident, intense, and not the least bit socially awkward. Still the kind of woman who desperately needs love, but not the kind that an autist can approach and spill their spaghetti without being mocked.Rest assured, Stella will remain the HB fandom's boogeyman for years to come.
>>150940079>i wont post any more sloppaYour vexing, repetitive questions also count as sloppa, as far as I'm concerned.
>>150940079Alright well that's appreciated
>>150940040That's why I always depict her older, Anon. I want avoid that implication. I assume most Anons agree and go with the context she is older, at the very least eighteen. >>150940079Hello fellow /snoot/. How are the threads these days?
>>150940153>Hello fellow /snoot/. How are the threads these days?fankid porn, fankid sloppa, ass posting, losing their shit over nanaki for the upteenth timeyou know, the usual
>>150940096Possibly, still, you can never be too cautious.There is also Mayberry. I wish there was art of her and Stella as friends. I think they'd be great friends.
>>150940224>IRA Moxxie.Absolute fucking gold.
>>150940224More of these but it's the sins involving themselves in heinous world events
>goes to earth>Walks around in plain daylight without a disguise on>Stumbles on a literal anti demonic protest>No one bats an eye or gives a shitWhat the actual fuck. I know americans are vacuous and self absorbed midwits, but to this extent?
>>150940247She just looks like an owl lady though.
>>150940262>she doesnt look like a demon>she just looks like a lanky anthropomorphic owl creature with massive, pink eyes, feathery hair and a round, pale face
>>150940224>>150940240 Why's there been all this IRAposting on the site?
>>150940247That made no sense at all, just another one of those "don't think on it." >>150940246I love them, I want more, they're great shitpost and for possible greens or just general ideas to discuss.Which reminds me, I had an idea for an IRA Stella one time or would she appear at another time in history? >>150940181 Ah, sounds about right. Glad I stopped lurking in there.
>>150940318because, on a subconscious level, most people in the west realize that this is what they must start emulating if they are to free themselves from the globohomoonly violence can save us from these subhumans who rule over us
does God exist in the BotF universe?
>>150940247To be fair, she IS in Los Angeles. Lots of freaks lurking about.Of course, this still begs the question of why her and Blitzo elicited no reaction from human onlookers, while Loona is apparently frightening.>>150940225I wish there was more of Mayberry, period. It's like she only exists now to be the token 'lesbian.'
>>150940360>this still begs the question of why her and Blitzo elicited no reaction from human onlookers, while Loona is apparently frightening.i guess they are easier to pass off as simply freaks, blitzos horns and tail could be seen as prosthetics, his lack of nose could be chalked down to surgery and his skin is just a body-wide tattooif you saw pic related on the street would you assume they were a demon or just a freak?same goes for octavia, shes just a lanky girl with face pain/contactsloona, on the other hand, has a full snout, digitigrade legs, piercing red eyes and a tailthere is not a single fursuit in existence that could replicate that
>>150940247Viv portrays humans as retards. Or didn't you notice?
>>150940360>Of course, this still begs the question of why her and Blitzo elicited no reaction from human onlookers, while Loona is apparently frightening.An example of the inconsistent writing. >I wish there was more of Mayberry, period. It's like she only exists now to be the token 'lesbian.' Which is a shame and most art of her is her sinner form. Or her being a dyke, normally I feel mostly apathetic about lesbians. With Mayberry I cant help but feel downright insulted and disgusted.
>>150939187I for one trust the plan, and at the very least I love Collin.
>>150937406>>150938975>PicIs that from an episode?
>>150940554>Is that from an episode?nope, just google stolas suicide video
>>150940432>With Mayberry I cant help but feel downright insulted and disgusted.Wouldn't be first time a straight character got the short of the stick in the Hellaverse... or put through a humiliation ritual.>Mayberry: assigned to the woman who fucked up her life>Stella: strawman / fujo hatesink>Karen: strawman / fujo hatesink>Adam: strawman / killed in humiliating manner>Niffty: unhinged>Millie: exists only to be in Moxxie's orbit>Vortex: black
>>150935975I have a mommy kink, not a Jordan Peterson king
>>1509407031. Yep, could have made her sympathetic. Not really a villain just as a victim like Stolas in a failed marriage. 2. Yea, a generic "homophobic, racist, etc"3. Indeed, made into a fat, loudmouthed, "dude bro" and "sexist".4. Likely, don't know much about her, she does seem exaggerated and half-baked like most if not all the characters in both shows.5. Both Millie and Moxxie are fine together, they should have been written better. They should have gotten married by the end of season one. They should've been the antithesis to Stolas and Stella's marriage.6. Kek.
>>150931446>picrelsame
>>150935629>>150935934>>150936413
>>150940703At this point I think hell must have an aura that brainwashes you into being gay.
>>150940703>>150940844Forgot about Marberry in my listing>Mayberry: assigned to the woman who fucked up her lifeThey should've made them extremely hateful toward one another when they died, only to stop fighting each other when they realize, there's no point in fighting anymore. They'd still hate each other but they're stuck in hell so what's the point, at most make them hesitant frenemies to survive hell. Give implications that Mayberry would seek redemption, a way to tie in HH.Making her a lesbian and being in a relationship with the woman who is the sole reason she's in hell is really really fucking stupid and terrible writing.
>>150932249>>150933899just finished reading LOTR for the first time and I can kinda see itWhat would this couple be called
i'm having ANOTHER neytiri x fem stolas commission made
>>150941055What like a pairing name? Sarulla? Stellaman?
>>150941062I'm sorry what?
>>150940975>mad because he can't shill onaholes to Stella fans>>150941033Ah, but you see, to pull that off, one would require nuance and an actual interest in writing female characters, both of which Vivzie lacks. Moreover, she knows that her fans lack critical thinking skills; all you need to do is dress characters up in pastel colors, and they'll be clapping their hands and drooling all over themselves. Logic be damned.
>>150941103Don't engage to the schizo
>>150941087a drawing of neytiri from avatar hanging out with female stolasmy two favorite tall anthro milfs
>>150941103Well Viv & Co can't write relationships worth a damn, nor can she keep her writing constant generally. They can give good ideas or decent designs, writing just isn't their strong suite and it shows.>>150941144Double Dubs confirm.
3D Artfag here, which Loona model do you prefer?
>>150941198Alright, fair enough but why the dykery?
>>150941217None of these are appealing.
>>150941217All of them are appealing
>>150941217Aeridic core is the most on model. Its the best.
>>150941300Vivzie collab when?
>>150941217Somewhere between Aeridic and Tin for accuracy.Samzan and Cryptia for sexo.
>I tell ya, I get no respect no respect at all>I go to the lust ring to hire a succubus for sex, she tells me she only likes me as a friend
Cutie
>>150941217I second the Samzan-Tindog combination here >>150941649. Best of luck to you, anon
>>150941904Nice.
>>150941217Aeridicore
>>150941709>And that Bee gal. What a dame I tell ya.>Just the other day I was sharin' a popcorn bucket with my sweetheart and she comes buzzin' down the street with a six-piece in her hands and she says to me, you know what she says?>She says I make Mammon look like an adonis.
>>150940703>Millie: exists only to be in Moxxie's orbitWait, Viv writes a physically powerful, self-sufficient, well-adjusted, and multi-talented woman only to have them be a mere attachment for a man? I apologize, Ms. Medrano, I wasn't familiar with your game.
>>150941968>That Bee's a real piece of work, no respect at all I tell ya>I'm at her party snacking on a taco, right?>she buzzes around making everybody's food huge>she takes one look at me and shrinks mine!
>>150937282I dare you to make Stolas pregnant to
>>150942119Kek, a lot of her female characters seem to be like that.>>150942177>
>>150942177You asked for it anon
>>150942119Fujos rarely want competition for their husbando bodypillows.
>>150942212Total Stolas Emasculation
>>150939692
>>150942239No, now its perfect
>>150942378Much better.
>>150942212>>150942378Make anon pregnant too
>>150942412Nah, you do it, im lazyhttps://gemini.google.com/app?utm_source=deepmind.google&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=gdm&utm_content=
>>150942412At this point might as well all of them pregnant, Anon's dick is just that powerful
>>150942211>>150942235Viv is a rare specimen of women in that she, on someone deep subconscious level, utterly despises her own sex. Like Queen Victoria, Phyllis Schlafly, or Cersei Lannister>picrel likely the best joke she herself wrote
>>150942587No, monogamy is the proper way.
>>150942587>At this point might as well all of them pregnant, Anon's dick is just that powerful
>>150942603>some deep subconsciousfuck me
>>150942620https://youtu.be/QVl13t7Q3o0
>>150942603NGL I really love Mammon's outfit here. Reminds me of Wonka's TV Room googles
>>150932180The guy who dubbed a couple of comics of Mammon drunkenly wooing Stella was turbo based but the pairing doesn’t actually do much for me
>>150942633I dont think viv is a misogynist, she is simply a coom brained fujoShe doesnt make women look bad for its own sake, but only as a way to make her faggots look better by comparisonLike, verosika for one, doesnt she portray her as an actual victim of a toxic relationship with shitzo?Sure, shes a bit petty, but she has all the reasons to be
>>150933067Complete outlierJedi don’t start relationships because muh attachments Sith will kill the loved ones they already have because they’re miserable paranoid faggots who inevitably stab their waifu because BPD “ur plotting against me aren’t you!!!” nigga moments or gay “my feelings for you are holding me back from ULTIMATE POWAH”
>>150942605Based
>>150942782This is why grey jedi are the objectively superior pathGaining power from your emotions and feelings, but not letting them rule you
quick guys draw stella from memory within 60 seconds
>>150942718Being a coom-brained fujo is a symptom of her views toward of women. It's important to note that this is not a disdain for femininity, which she most certainly prizes, as seen not just in how feminine men (Mox and Stolas primarily, but others too like Fizz) are often positively portrayed but also how negative hyper-masculine ones tend to be shown (Crimson, Striker, Mammon). Regardless, Viv isn't even aware of this aspect of herself and plenty of people on her team don't share it all, so it'll be muffled in the actual execution of the show. Also, on Verosika:>Tries to gangrape MoxxieAccurate assessment of rapacious female sexuality. Again, Ms. Medrano, I salute you.
>>150939664>spic OctaviafagIsn't he the Romanian anon? Or was there another Octaviafag?>>150940401>Viv portrays humans as retards.She got that from Invader Zim.
>>150942967But why would she hate women? It makes no sense. After all, she is one
>>150943259Meant to reply to >>150939749
>>150943279You're right, he's Romanian. My American eyes tricked me into believing it was Spanish. Although, him being a gypsy makes it even worse.
>>150941217Cryptiacurves - not my kinkSamzan - face is off but body is nice, 4 toes!AeridicCore - pretty good, belly too wideTindog - proportions look too short but otherwise this looks most on-model
>>150943337>My American eyes tricked me into believing it was Spanish.To be fair, the screenshot filenames start with "Captură de," so it looks like Spanish or Portuguese at first glance.
>>150943337>spoilerSo would they be greed Imps?
>>150943483I should probably start renaming my caps before i post them
>>150941511Soon hopefully, love cate meowdy btw just got a win as her earlier in zero build battle royale squads with people I know.
>>150943618Pay no mind to the Americans. You’re still European, and Spanish and Portuguese are European languages too. I actually think it’s pretty cool that Romanian is the only Romance language in Eastern Europe.>t. actual spic
>>150941709Once Ozzy finds out a prostitute friendzoned him he's gonna flip out. Give a thrust for your king!
>>150943713>love cate meowdyYeah, shes great, though i wish she didnt have those ugly tats>btw just got a win as her earlier in zero build battle royale squads with people I know.I literally came back to fn a few days ago after the daft punk event, played two matches with duke which i both lost then changed to cate and won the first one with her
>>150943853/fng/ on /vg/ rocks, Idk why /v/ is so against fortnite.
>>150943847Thanks stellafren, us birdfags need to watch each other's backsThere may be more of us in here than on average, but the fandom is full of raging stolitz schizos
>>150943880>Idk why /v/ is so against playing video gamesYou pretty much answered your own question lmao
>>150943914What gets me is how it's free dollars and free cents, available on pc, xbox, playstation, switch, tablet, phone, has crossplay that links all of them, is tons of fun (0 build only), constantly updated, and has a huge player count. And they still reeeeee at it. They should try it cause if they dislike it they can just uninstall and act like nothing happened.
>>150943975/v/fags are notorious contrarians, the only reason i go to that board, when i do, is to shitpost and see if theres any news in gaming
The Fortnite guys are geniuses for turning their silly battle royal kiddie shooter into a human and furry girl coomerfest around the time thier og kiddie fans were getting into their teens. Honestly if I was in their shoes I wouldve done the same. Its gone from being the butt of jokes by many people to being the game were you droll over the characters and get excited at what new fat assed bitch they'll add next (with the same critics years ago being the droolers wanting more) They make so much money with the collabs and the coombait, and I do wonder when Vivzie will be seduced by the Sirens Call and prostrate Loona to the Fortnight guys
I want to be used as a human dildo shoved between the asses of Meowskulls and Cate Meowdy btw. Same when it comes to Loona and Beelzebub
>>150941511Considering that they refuse to even give us a Meowskulls cope, probably never. Epic hates female furries.
>>150944138>Epic hates female furriesThats like saying Vivzie hates female furries imo. I mean she does characterize given they get little characterizations, but they are everywhere.
>>150944054Yeah if there's a general on /vg/ for what you want it beats /v/>>150944085Hopefully soon >>150944110Based and same>>150944138There has been more of them lately, gonna post a pic of one epic has been edging us over for all month it feels like she drops later this month as part of their fortnightmares halloween event.>>150944149Yeah
>>150944161>There has been more of them latelyStill a pitifully small amount compared to the malefurs they put out. I assume you're talking about Spice, though?
GIVE US HER NOW!!!!!!!!!
>>150943975I thought I'd try Fortnite when I saw Godzilla wearing Jordans. "Ha ha that's funny." Then I found out how much of the content like that is behind paywalls I would never be willing to pay. It's hard to judge a game fairly when it's so heavily monetized.
>>150944265At least you can just pay once and be guaranteed the battle pass forever.
>>150944265See this is the same shit they say on /v/>if I can't get ALL the optional cosmetics then I don't wanna play the gameI can't imagine letting FOMO stop you from liking something youd normally like. The gameplay itself is the main thing as without it no one would play no matter how many cosmetics they have that they love. And because the vast majority of my skin purchases are anthro women which there aren't that many of compared to the rest I am largely immune to FOMO anyway. Plus what >>150944277Said
>>150944198>filenameDamn right he did, lucky fucker.
>>150944085>turning their silly battle royal kiddie shooter into a human and furry girl coomerfestActually, theres barely any female anthro skinsMost of them are dudes or women in cosplay
>>150944537Well thats where the art and imagination comes into play
>>150944277>>150944343So wait, you only have to buy the battle pass once? I thought it had to be bought for every season or whatever. This shit is confusing.
>>150944523He is indeed, one lucky son of a bitch.
>>150944198She's cuter as a cat, to be honest.
>>150942850grey jedi are faggy fencesitter headcanon
>>150944575True, i have been hoping for the poodle girl to get added for months now, but im pretty sure that, even if they ever add her in, she's just gonna be a human woman with fluffly clothes or something
>>150944594If you get the v bucks from playing the game for free you can buy a pass at the start of a season, get to lvl100 and you'll get all your v bucks back and you can just loop it forever. Or you can bite the bullet and drop 8 bucks on one and then loop it forever. I've spent a few hundred dollars on the game over the 2ish years I've been playing it because I love it that much and have like 1500 hours on the game or something. I spend similar rates and time on paradox games.>>150944633Sex with her there was so much porn of her made when her concept art from the fan survey came out.
>>150944594You do have to buy it for every season, but there are enough vbucks in it that, if you grind it all, you will be able to get the next one with them and have some left over, tooOr you could just subscribe to fortnite crew, which unlocks the current BP alongside some other "mini passes", the rocket league BP, it gives you 1000 vbucks and a free skin, with the whole package being around 10$Not to sound too much like a shill, but it is pretty good value, although unless you finish the BPs before crew expires one month later, you wont be able to complete them and will have to renew the subscription
>>150944606To each their own, I prefer her as a human.>>150944628I don't want to go off topic/derail like the thread is already but you are correct, just go dark jedi.
>>150944628All paths in the Force are fucking gay and retarded, so of course the where you aren't a mentally ill drug addict enslaved to your emotions or a psychopathic robot that avoids all attachments while dick riding the Senate is "faggy fencesitter headcanon". Honestly the only good way to exist in the Star Wars universe is to be one of those Giga-Chads with such massive willpower that they just resist Force persuasion and carry a flamethrower and a 12 gage with you at all times so you can fuck up any gay little space wizard cultist you come across.
>>150944696Saving this in my porn folder labelled "prostitution" filled with slutty anthro women and all the fortnite girls in my folder are either labelled as "she'll do anything for v bucks" or I mentally categorize them that way.
>>150944684You know, if vivzie ever bit the bullet, which characters are the most likely to get in?I think it would mostly be HH ones, with charlie, alastor and vaggie or lute being obvious candidates, but in terms of HB i can only see loona being chosen, the imps are too small, stolas is too tall and octavia is not popular enough
>>150944753All of what you said plus I can see Lucifer and Adam. But maybe Beelzebub gets added too? Loona and Bee NEED to be built like raven team leader and the pumpkin cat that is about to drop.
>>150944684>>150944696Ok thanks. Maybe I'll try again, but I'll just go back to TF2 for now. I can at least put my own porn in it.
>>150944798>I'll just go back to TF2 for nowBased, can never go wrong with tf2
>>150944798I've been playing TF2 since 2012 and have 3,817 hours on it.
>>150944818Bring back Quickplay
Personally I find fortnite both shallow and pedantic
>>150944850This one's just straight dogshit.
>>150944898You dont know what those words mean, do you?
>>150944898>pedanticIt's a game, grow up and learn what words mean. Saying things you don't know the meaning of doesn't mean you look deeper or more mature.
>>150944928>>150944942
What's with the Fortnite shilling out of the blue?
>>150944898heh
>>150944898In that way its kinda like Vivzie's works. Shallow and mediocre, but with a lot of characters people love and want to fuck that carry it.
>>150945113Yeah but seriously, If Vivzie didnt have the ability to make characters that a large variety of of people love and are fans of it wouldve been over for her years ago. Its like her one miraculous God-given gift. If it werent for the appeal of the characters, her shows wouldve faded and died to obscurity years ago.
>>150944085>Fortnite's creating a whole generation of HMOFA enthusiasts Guess it's not so bad afterall>Actually, theres barely any female anthro skins. Most of them are dudes or women in cosplay Are they women in cosplay though? The tail of the Spice outfit and the like swishes and moves on it's own, implying she's a real anthro
>>150944898It's great and I bet you have 0 hours on it>>150945187FUCK I WOULD TEAR SPICE UP LIVING FLESHLIGHT PLAPLAPLAPLAPPLAPPLAPLAPLAPLAP
>>150945187Most of the time they are, yes. Look at that dogshit Syd character who completely ruins so many skins.
>>150945206>LIVING FLESHLIGHT
I do super sexual emotes as her after killing people in 0 builds and they are forced to watch
>>150945239>I do super sexual emotes as her after killing people in 0 builds and they are forced to watch
Helluva Boss?
>>150945317Yes.
>>150945295Based
>>150945356Good luck on your estrogen shots bro
>>150945335Based Strika appreciator.
Well, at least we know the onahole troon is into Fortnite now. Not that it's surprising...
>>150945432She's the best Imp.
>>150945239Wait so let me get this straight. You go out of your way to play as a chick and titillate other dudes?
>>150945467Yeah cause 1) I get a show , 2) it infuriates them 3) they feel humiliated
>>150945467What'd you expect? He's a groomer, through and through.
Need inspiration to work on My Saving Grace, the mental illness is raping me.
>>150945484Ah the old "I rather stare at a girl's ass" cover>>150945509Won't get any here unfortunately, the onahole shill is having a meltdown and spamming the thread with /v/ shit
>>150945493What? Plenty of adults play fortnite literally all the people on my in game friends list are adult men. Calling fortnite a groomer game is like calling pokemon a groomer game.
>>150945509You need music, movies an art piece? Were here to help you, Anon.
>>150945239the only emote you should ever use after a kill is the griddy
>>150945532What are you taking about? You got any idea how popular that character is? No you don't cause you don't play the game.>>150945542That one is devious too lol, I still hit em with it sometimes.
>>150945537I'm not calling Fortnite a groomer game; I'm calling YOU a groomer.
>>150945561I think this is one of the guys from /v/ who despises fortnite
What would a helluva boss game be like?
Fortnite?
>>150945561Checks out given the way he talks honestly and not beating the tranny allegations either
>>150945584That's what I wanna know I think it would have to be pve but other than that I'm drawing a blank, definitely 3rd person duh.
>fortnite mindbroke multiple people ITT/fng/ laughs at you
>>150945584Imp Game: Side-scroller beat em upDHORKs Game: Top-down action game. The HH threads had an idea for a command and conquer style of game.
>>150931416I should draw that eventually...one day.She'd still be a little top heavy though, for consistency.>>150935033Goodness gracious.
>>150945618You're not subtle
>>150945618There you go mentioning other boards again, and using the same exact terms which always give you away. You just can't help yourself.
>>150945640I prefer her darker feathers from the pilot.
>>150940815>Wash your foreskin, bucko
>>150945682Not bad.
>>150945637>Imp Game: Side-scroller beat em upThe feels completely off. It should play like a faster paced Max Payne instead.
>>150945655Your lack of skill at PvP isn't subtle >>150945664Ready for stella to die on screen? Why is it always 2 guys in these threads who are on some sorta witch hunt for some random anon? I swear its a duo unless I am mistaken. It sort of derails shit.
>>150939927A bathound green does sound good.
>>150945682Yeah, I totally get it.It makes her other features pop a lot more, a darker shade of purple would have been a better compromise.I wanna get this plump bird pregnant by the way.
I think women are ITT. They might be bleed overs from the space king thread full of women screeching about "incels".
>>150945693Yeah she's not bad looking, also Paimom. >>150945696While that does sound more interesting to my taste, IMP Game is its own idea.
>>150945637I like it
>>150945703>>150945744And there's the 'other Anon' who magically comes rushing to his aid, and accusing his detractors of being women...
>>150945687>Stella volunteering to wash your foreskin>>150945703>implying the entire thread isn't laughing at youBro it's not witchhunting to notice your bullshit all over the board and it's definitely more than two people that have caught onto you. I don't know why you think you can even try to hide it. I do think you purposely riling these threads up so you can play victim and claim /co/ is oh so crazy and mean and obsessed with you. You sure you're not jewish?
>>150945742>I wanna get this plump bird pregnant by the way. Isn't that other Goetian she's usually seen with her husband?
>>150945774you're*The one time I drink fuck
>>150945767>>150945774You two are literally schizo. Arent one of you a gypsy too? I think the other is a Mexican. Kys.
>>150945790Fucking light weight
>>150945774You seriously need to fuck off man. We were having a good thread. Go be hammered and incoherent somewhere else.
>>150945774>purposely riling these threads up so you can play victimfunny enough that's also something women do>>150945797>Arent oneeslBITCH...
>>150945829>t.
Stella is funny.
>>150945774>You sure you're not jewish?Ohhhh... honestly, that would explain a lot. The hedonism, nihilism, replacing women with sex toys, the grooming, the hatred of Christianity -- it's all very bagel-flavored, isn't it? Not to mention the whole 'cries out as he strikes you' tactic...
>>150945797>>150945813>>150945822>one minute apart
What is going on ITT? Fortnite?
>>150945844She is indeed quite the silly lady.
>>150945849It's an active thread retard. Holy shit. Why the fuck can't we have NORMAL threads on /co/?
>>150945854Don't ask. 4chan gets very silly at times.
>>150945845And the samefagging.
>>150945869Yeah eventually you just gotta let go of trying to make sense of it
>>150945866>NORMAL threadSpamming Fortnite, AI slop and links to sex toys is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is having a meltdown over people getting sick of it.
>>150945735What would it be like, anons?
>>150941217Tindog is the cutest and most show accurate.Cryptia needs to be burned in a fire, disgusting.
there's no point calling the fleshlight schizo out because he plays dumb every time you do in an effort to take up more replies and kill the thread and drive people off, its a troll tactic
>>150945895What AI or sex toy links are ITT? STFU schizo. I am so sick of your bitching every fucking thread it feels like.>>1509459032nd from the right is best
Loona in Fortnite?
>>150945895Stolasfag was nowhere near as bad as this guy, I swear.
>>150945912Not so much a troll tactic as it is a lefty one.
I refuse to engage with the retardation going. I just want a decent thread. >>150945869>filenameKek
I know what the romanian and the mexican (brown) are referencing but I never got triggered over it and honestly I wish they'd chill out, they are more distracting than the stuff they are complaining about desu.
>>150945896How about a search and rescue story?
>>150945784Depending on how he looks he can either watch or join in, I'm not a catcher though.
>>150945955Yeah this
>>150945896She falls in love with Octavia.
>>150945937Stolasfag was at least funny with how over-the-top he was. Sandeep (or Trandeep, as I like to call him now) is just an irksome retard who possesses all the worst traits of a zoomer.
>>150945637>>150945584DHORK game should definitely be an xcom-like, imps are pretty much 1:1 with sectoids
>>150945995Literally who? What lore am I missing and what makes you so convinced of it? Is he a namefag or an avatarfag?
>>150946012Also nice, DHORK game should be a mix of Max Payne and Command and Conquer Renegade with paranormal elements.
>>150945995Stolasfag was also putting on a character, this guy is just plain sperging and hoping it'll trick the regulars. >>150946019If we even try to explain he's going to reply like ten times pretending to be different people calling everyone schizo and acting like he doesn't know anything. Just stick around for a few threads and you'll see for yourself.
>>150945955>I know what the romanianDont blame me, i only just got back into the thread
>Leave for an hour>Come back to 90 new replies>Mrw I read through most of themWait… who’s the Mexican?
>>150946088I don't fucking know dude it looks like that onahole guy is throwing his usual fit so I've been hanging back.
I put way too much time and effort on this shitpost. Next ones are either Bee and Verosika or Moxxie, Blitzo and Stolas
>>150945896A spooky Halloween story?
>>150946113I chuckled. Via doesn't look too thrilled, though.
>>150945980He sorry, meant anon
>>150946113This is a shitpost?This just looks like my fetish
New BOTF. It's a prelude to the lesson because the prelude scene got way too fucking long. Unfortunately there's a lot of Stolas and Anon but also a fair bit of Anon and Octavia.https://archiveofourown dot org/works/68602336/chapters/189918111
>>150946171Based BOTF saving the thread
>>150946171The thread is saved!
>>150946113That Octavia better be post her 19th birthday, Anon...
>>150945896Her fighting one of her rogues. :)
Would it taste like honey if you kiss bee?
>>150946243>dyke shit
>>150946243Yeah.
>>150946171>New boft so soon>And it has octavia in it tooOh hell yeah
>>150946065I've been around plenty and I still don't get it.>>150946066Friendly fire my bad.>>150946111I haven't seen any mention of an "onahole" and yet I see all these melties over some non existent "onahole shill".
>>150946341>over some non existent "onahole shill".This is some wild gaslighting, my man.
>>150946341https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150920134Been around plenty yet you missed the thread right before this one apparently.
>>150946341>non existent "onahole shill"https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150920134/#150931156https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150920134/#150934344
>>150946341he hits every few threads, you would have seen him at least once here or there but if you haven't count yourself lucky>>150946389>that second oneholy shit i missed that one
Shut up and think of Bee.
>>150946505Built for human men of European persuasion.
>>150946505imagine getting a four armed hug
>>150946533>Built for human men of European persuasion. In the English sense of the word.>"Honhonhon Bee Ah how you say love more than I love not working and being a nonce."
>>150946544
>>150946505I'm always thinking of her, don't worry.
Would Bee appreciate her human man cooking for her?
>>150946171>UnfortunatelyBut your Stolas is great, though?
>>150945955I want to convert Amaterasu to Christianity and have dozens of kids with her.
>>150946580Yes
>>150946144Good idea.
>>150946370As I recall I come to vivziepop threads for content interests and people who are in the same vein as the IP, not for people who literally flip out over sex toy mentions. Anyone forgetting the lust ring ? S2EP8 of HB?>>150946379>>150946389I don't see every thread cause I don't live in em like you do apparently. What do you do that isn't be on /co/ in these vivzie threads? And now that I skim through it, good for him. And good for the guys he got on board with it. I'm personally more of a tenga guy but if that stuff works then cool. Why the hell do (you) care so much? I've also noticed none of us can reference any place on 4chan that isn't here without people going "SEX TOY SHILL" like air raid sirens going off with AA flak in the air. Its jarring and cringe. >>150946411So he's like you all's boogyman? Why does he live in your heads this much? Like really why. Hardmode: Don't assume anyone who doesn't join the witch hunt band wagon is the anon. >>150946590See this is what I'm talking about. This doesn't belong in the hazbin hotel / helluva boss fandom
>>150946610>See this is what I'm talking about. This doesn't belong in the hazbin hotel / helluva boss fandomNot my fault somsone posted sexy japanese sun goddess
>>150946621Heaven isn't the good guy in the hellaverse btw
Why do people defending the schizo always pop in the second he leaves?
Stella should have sex with __________anon.
>>150946633Hardmode failed lol
>>150946599
>>150946644I didn't assume you were him. I asked why you only show up when he's gone and not while he's here.
>>150946661Fuck if I know. If we both posted around the same time would you just call us a samefag? Feels like damned if you do damned if you don't.
>>150946691I agree desu ngl
>>150946691If you posted exactly 60 seconds apart it'd be kind of suspect. I mean look at this.>>150945797>>150945813>>150945822Anyways I'm pretty sure he's deliberately ragebaiting and then denying so he can make the threads seem crazier than they are to anons on the outside looking in. It's partly how you kill threads. The correct answer is not to play. Ignore bait and spam that's basic shit.
>>150946224Which one?
>>150946632why so serious?
>>150946786Snake lady.
>>150946842This one?
>>150946713Lol.
>>150946855Pentious is perfect as a lady.
>>150946610>Anyone forgetting the lust ring ? S2EP8 of HB?You literally made this same argument in the last thread before going mask off.>I've also noticed none of us can reference any place on 4chan that isn't here without people goingSame with this.
>>150946842>>150946855I believe her name is Violence and she's really muscular.
>>150931416HOT.
>>150946959>a buff snake lady
Which one?
>>150947198Texie, get your queer shit outta here.
>>150947198Pinklie.
>>150947198Tough choice. Both would treat you well, be it in a platonic or romantic sense. Pinklie has a slightly more appealing design, though, and isn't spoken for, so I'd pick him.
>>150947198Pinklie!
>>150947198Tex.
>>150947198Pinklie because he's hot and fluffy, and Tex already has Bee.
I realize the model may not be to everyone's taste but beggars can't be choosers, especially when it comes to Mayberry. I'm just happy she got a model at all, and it isn't complete trash. Hopefully, it'll get a rework.https://files.catbox.moe/7s3f2g.png
>>150947461(me)oh. catbox is dying. belay that I suppose
>>150946959Ssssssexy
>>150946113
>>150947540How big is Beelzebub?
>>150946887I prefer him as a male.
>>150947489https://files.catbox.moe/ep0pc5.pngThere
>>150947557Her size actually changes and varies depending on the vibes around her via magic sin powers, but her base height seems to be around Vortex's size so like 6'6? Loona has been calculated to be around 5'8" to 5'10" while Bee and Vortex are taller than her. Sizes in Vivzie stuff are super inconsistent anyways so she's just generally tall compared to the other characters in her base form.
>>150947632That's a tall bitch!
I want a Stella sex doll.
>>150947632Using Charlie’s stated height of 6'6" (per Vivziepop) put Loona at about 6'3", which would make Vortex roughly 7 feet tall.
>>150947595The horns look off
Fizz is cute.
>>150931398What does Stella's bird milk taste like?
>>150947674Why is everyone so damn tall
>>150947768
>>150947826I fucking lol'd, omg.
>>150946759>>150946911None of those people are me. I am me, and (you) really can eat shit. I don't even have to post anything for your paranoid schizophrenic shit to pop off, ruining threads because I live in your head that hard. I JUST got here and read through all this shit. You still salty about icey star, AI, toys, robots, all that stuff? Mald. /hhg/ thinks you suck by the way. I agree.
>>150940247Have you been to LA? The joke about how it isn't very different from hell is not, in fact, much of a joke. I visited once and that was quite enough for me. Nobody noticing that she was a literal demon wandering around is honestly not that much of a stretch.
>>150947949>/hhg/ thinks you suck by the way.
>>150948000Checked and rekt.
>>150948000Checked.
>>150948163
>/hhg/ thinks you suck by the way
>>150948000
I am utterly shocked that the Stella thread turned out worse than the Loona thread.
