>>150945704IMO nothing can beat Clampett, his over the top animation skills basically define Looney TunesI’m an artist myself who was already heavily inspired by 90’s cartoons like Ren & Stimpy, but I remember I used to not really care that much about Looney Tunes or other golden age cartoons in general until I saw some Clampett shorts, like I loved the cartooning in them and felt it was interesting to see what inspired those shows that I love, Clampett basically helped me become super interested in and appreciate golden age cartoons more.
Clampett McKimson Avery Freleng JonesPersonally it's more accurate to credit some designs to Bob Givens
>>150945704I'm not as big a Clampett fan as some but the fun thing about his prime 1940s cartoons is his two top animators were the most different animators you could possibly imagine, Rod Scribner, king of rubbery bodies and over-the-top-ness, and Bob McKimson, as close to subtle as an animator for wacky cartoons can get. He didn't seem to try to rein either of them in and instead tried to assign them scenes that would work for their individual styles, so there's a lot of variety there.
>>150945704Freleng is what I imagine when I think of Bugs Bunny.
>>150945704For me, it's Tex Avery.
>>150946394That's Jack Bunny you fucking cunt
>>150946488What?I never said it was a picture of Bugs Bunny. The OP didn't say anything about Bugs Bunny, he just asked which Looney Tunes director was the best. The Bugs Bunny picture was just an example of their styles.
>>150946376The Bugs Bunny most people know these days are that stock Bugs design they’ve seen in shit like Space Jam
>>150945704Do you consider this Clampett's version of Bugs?
>>150946659Freleng's Bunny *is* the closest classic look to that new stock look, though.Kind of interesting since personality-wise, most modern stuff goes for more of a Jones type thing.
>>150945704McKimson, though Clampett’s is best in motion
>>150945704I just watched a McKimson cartoon, the one with the flea. That guy was kind of a hack.
Nevermind, i found a better version >>150946702Im gonna add this, i can't find a high res image but you can tell it's not using jones' designs.
>>150946864Its based on an already existing and better short from Clampett
>>150946710But you have to count the early versions of these designs against the latter ones, for example we have at least 3 different Jone's Bugs, the weird stretchy eyes ''Chuck Jones is overcompensating to move away from his Disney copystyle pastiche and now he is le wacky crass comedy'', the 50s style which was at his best with the best shorts, and the 60s, onwards weird androgynous sleepy eyes cat-like designs he started doing since.
>>150947652>>150947229>>150946702Camplett did have the more pointy big ears but had some ugly facial expressions and emphasis on teeth
>>150945704They forgot Tex's Bugs, I liked Chuck Jones the best due to how smug he looked, I liked McKimson's Bugs the least, his character always looked like they had Down Syndrome
>>150945704I need more images to compare
>>150946710>>150946659honestly stock bugs feels more like every drawing ben washam did of him mixed into a witches' brewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHDP3qn4AWQ(a lot of the stock LT deisgns were based off jones' early-50's work so)
>>150945704>IMO nothing can beat Clampett, his over the top animation skills basically define Looney Tunesi can appreciate your animation comments, but this character, seeing gums meeting teeth is just repulsive.but worse is the newer animators probably influenced by him like Glen Kennedy. That kind of rubber never resonated no matter where he took it.
>>150945704Freleng is my favorite.
>>150947903I like a mix of Jones and Freleng.
>>150945704Freleng defined Bugs and Jones defined Daffy
>>150947883Looney Tunes Cartoons tried to blend the worst of WB camplett and Jhon K uglyness, with mostly tweened animation with some blended keyframes.I cant believe people felt for that preview trailer when that shit prmeiered on HBOMax
>>150947953Yeah, I can go with that.>>150948274Jones's Daffy is definitely my favorite.
Jones' Porky is kinda...
>>150950142
>>150945704only design missing is Tex Avery's
>>150945704I'm partial to McKimson and Freleng just because they're close to the stock models.>>150947669Clampett-style Bugs could be great if he were directed by a Spumco psychotic, or by Pete Browngardt if he had more directorial freedom instead of keeping the whole LTS in the 40's and 50's.
McKimson was the most technically proficient.Jones was the most stylized.Clampett was the most energetic.Freleng was the most versatile.
>>150950692You actually got a couple of Spumco artists working on 90’s Looney Tunes projects, seeing how much they were inspired by Clampett you can visibly tell how much of his energy they gave to their scenes, here’s a Tiny Toons scene boarded by Jim Smith with clearly Clampett-inspired animationhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DP7St_G2IU
>>150950692>>150951430A John K-made Looney Tunes short would pretty much be LTC (an imitation of Clampett's stuff with shoehorned gross-out/shock humor) but with molasses pacing and homoerotic tension between Bugs and Elmer/Porky and Daffy.
>>150945704Jones drew the sexiest Bugs at least
Bob Mckimson under Clampett's direction
>>150945704hewlett
>>150950945Jones definitely has the most distinctive style of the bunch (to non-animation enthusiasts at least), I remember as a kid when watching some of Chuck Jones Tom and Jerry shorts I thought "why does this look like the Grinch"
>>150952542That's pretty much a modified Chuck Jones Bugs.
>>150952986Don't pretend for a single second that animation "enthusiasts" know better
>>150953358Autists who actually have experience with art and animation can tell the difference between a Clampett short and a Freleng short, autists who post here and pretend to know about animation can’t.
>>150945704Walt Disney drew him the best.
>>150951430God that animation was so ugly and tryhard, not to be THAT GUY, but jap episodes were the only good ones to look.
>>150955220Give us a picture why don't you
>>150955901I lost it in the fire
>>150945704I feel like a fake Looney Tunes fan for not recognizing different directors' drawing styles or pinpointing specific animators' individual shots. I should do my homework
His most appealing design is Avery’s.
>>150957851Scribner is the easiest animator to identify by the scenes he animated because the characters start to move loosely, have wrinkles, and show their teeth. I like this shot because you can pinpoint the exact moment he stops animating and McKimson takes over.
>>150956901Ha ha, very funny.......
>>150957851>Elmer Dude linesC'mon, she is female, she should be allowed to look cute.
>>150957851Speaking of NuLooney Tunes, some of the newer projects have had a couple recognizable artists/animators too. Jim Soper IMO is the best one, he does an amazing job at replicating the Clampett/Scribner artstyle.Many artists on LTC and TDTEBU also worked on other modern wacky cartoons like modern SpongeBob and those Paul Rudish Mickey shorts and I’m able to recognize them in the scenes they’ve done. That scene in TDTEBU where Porky and Daffy were crying in the prison cell I can recognize was boarded by Eddie Trigueros cause I know he has a very rubbery expressive artstyle and his expressions typically have heavy emphasis on teeth.
>>150958161Holy cow I never noticed.
>>150958994I HATE ugly style animations.
>>150947746Based
>>150959040Grow a pair faggot
>>150957851>>150958869>>150959040Was it too hard to not do ugly 40y old hags?
>>150959622Coward! Petunia is perfect just the way she is
>>150959040>>150959390>>150959622looney tunes if it was /co/retard friendly:
>>150960514cuteness
>>150945704Looney Tunes Chuck Jones did not look like that. That's Tom and Jerry era.
>>150950169>>150950142I know jones was heavily influenced by Disney cuteness hence the emphasis on eyelashes in characters, but , this is just femboy Porky, man.
>>150950142>>150950169>>150961698No way you niggas gay for porky when theres crossdressing bugs bunny if you wanna swing that way
>>150961632that would be true if he didn't come back for a crummy second wind
>>150962258Still light years better then what Filmation was doing.
>>150960699>Hey Louis, I am making a strawman heh heh heh!Fuck you, I just don't want ugly, or did you really find Looney Tunes Cartoons easy on the eye?
>>150945704
>>150962612They're not, Warner Bros was know for having each director be his own thing.
>>150961698If you look at his later work, he just draws femboy everyone. It's just how his design sensibilities evolved
this just looks like gay sex
what does this one mean
>>150952117>Jones wanted to fuck BugsAutophilia
>>150945704Jones's shit is fucking soulless[/spoilers]
>>150963274Bugs represents Chuck Jones, and Linda is his daughter
>>150950692>Clampett-style Bugs could be great if he were directed by a Spumco psychotic, or by Pete Browngardt if he had more directorial freedom instead of keeping the whole LTS in the 40's and 50's.Jamie Hewlett did this great Bugs piece a couple years ago I think he'd be a great choice to put in charge of a Looney Tunes short>>150952542I see someone else understands things
>>150963476>Bugs represents Chuck JonesYea no shit.
>>150963249>poor little duck boy>>150961712Neither you or heterosexuality will stop me from glazing those hams!
>>150945704Alex Lovy. Let's give our two new characters the red carpet treatment!
>>150964185did MERLIN, THE MAGIC MOUSE, and COOL CAT ever take off in popularity or...?
>>150964318>did MERLIN, THE MAGIC MOUSE, and COOL CAT ever take off in popularity or...?nope both are obscurities, with Cool Cat getting more than a bit of mocking by the modern fandom for not only being the star of the final Golden Age Looney Tunes short but a mediocre one that's weirdly racist for coming out all the way in 1969
>>150947883>seeing gums meeting teeth is just repulsiveHave you never seen a rabbit?
>>150964318>>150964535Merlin The Magic Mouse stood in obscurity but Cool Cat did have his time in the sun because of The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries.
>>150964875>>150964535>>150964185Those were a HUGE mistake.
>>150965104We got Detective Conan out of The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries (it was originally was supposed to be Conan proper but actually funny before WB reskinned to be about Sylvester and Tweety and TMS had to reboot it's production to be more in line with the manga it was based on because WB thought people wouldn't like Conan's art direction) so The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries wasn't a mistake.
>>150963274>>150963261>>150963249we used to joke about these all the time in the "world animation discord"
>>150965234Dude, I was there, the only thing the "World Animation Discord" ever brought up was obscured ass anime and shitting on the mainstream stuff that wasn't named Lupin III (and only Miyazaki's Lupin III) or anything that came out of (Proto) Ghibli.Western stuff was almost never brought up other then "I don't like the anime clashing in "Insert 80s/90s cartoon", these animators needed to do "insert hyper obscured OVA from the same time period that paid alot less" instead".Their main focus was a Japanese feature that was finished but never got released, I forgot what it was called but it was a all animal cast and it was by a studio none of you ever heard of.I got banned because I "Defended the mainstream stuff too much".
Lola Bunny got that gyatt fr fr no cap
>>150962612The differences are more clear when you see the characters in motion.
>>150966105You could've used some better pics
>>150962258I find Chuck Jones to be an interesting figure cause not only was he alive through the animation golden age all the way to the beginning of flash animation, but he was still making cartoons around then. In 2001 he made a series of web shorts called Timberwolf, they aren’t really that funny but I can’t be too harsh on them seeing he was in his late eighties when he made them.
>>150966186I think it's kind of neat that he tried expanding into flash animation. Could have just as easily had a purist mindset that he would never do animation that wasn't how it was traditionally done but instead he gave it a shot.
>>150965234I had cool stuff to share and it was bulldozed anime. Fucking Discord circlejerks.
>>150967388*by anime
>>150964185I really really want to see someone figure out a non-UPA-esque volumetric 40s style design for these characters, not just those two but also the Bonnie and Clyde parody ones
>>150965281By pure chance, was it an anime film about a panda who gets taken to a zoo?
>>150965281I only lurk there but I generally see looney tunes discussed there plenty. May be over the years the attitude has shifted away from that
>>150967999I think so.
>>150945704Knowing now more about Freiz Freleng as a Looney Tunes director and he later on formed the DePatie-Freleng Enterprises and produced the Pink Panther series, I do see the similarities between Freleng Bugs and Yosamity Sam with Panther and Big Nose even repeating some of the same gagsAlso the Ant the Aadvark being a Sylvester and Tweety succsesor, also repeating some of the same gags
>>150968101Holy cow, that film was spliced together with Mexican footage for a kids movie!https://doblaje.fandom.com/es/wiki/Tohui,_el_peque%C3%B1o_panda_de_Chapultepechttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44HjB89K4m0&pp=ygUnVG9odWksIGVsIHBlcXVlw7FvIHBhbmRhIGRlIENoYXB1bHRlcGVj
>>150969580That wasn't the film that Discord server was talking about.In fact I just found the movie that server was talking about, it's called Tomcat's Big Adventure.
Clampett and it's not even close.
>>150970849Is the Duck Dodgers show responsible for retard Daffy?
After the 60s and the Grinch, Jones non Looney Tunes stuff sorta tried to go back to a Disney pastiche.
>>150968029>>150965281i wonder if they still mention me in hushed whispers every time pepper ann pops up(idk does anyone have a spare invite link for lurkers)
>>150966186dude left his mark practically everywhere. even on fast food mascots
>>150959040Filtered
>>150945704bnuuy
>>150945704My favorite story about McKimson's time as an animator is that he was in a car accident and after he came back to work he tripled his output. It was like his brain got knocked in the absolute most ideal way.
>>150966186sadly most of these are lost
>>150973273Don't.
>>150955867>complaining about Looney Tunes for being "tryhard"faggot
Anyone watch the shorts on Tubi? For some reason they're all in reverse order, so the oldest shorts are all the way in season 13. Attack of the Drones is included in the first "episode."
>>150974788Tiny Toons will never be Looney Tunes
>>150945704Everything >>> 60's run
>>150963249Why was Chuck so gay for cartoons? Was he unhappy with his wife?
>>150976373No.
>>150961712>>150963913Both of you are missing the most obvious choice
>>150976494
>>150945704Clampett for animation, Jones for style.
>>150952542>>150963662You think warner would ever let Bugs cameo for Gorillaz?
>>150971539Am in there and no invites are like admin only
>>150965281I am in World Animation Discord they do like old cartoons and anime but are more so on the idea of that everything after western made after 70s sucks
>>150976966oyshame the admins are so picky like that, i actually rly liked a good chunk o' the people in therealso i'm still curious if they still bring up me as an in-joke every time they mention garfield or pepper ann
>>150976996Nope theres actually a different Pepper Ann there
>>150977015whoa, rly?
>>150977064Yep i think they just forgotten about you
>>150976494You can usually find him on /toon/ with his balls out.https://i.4cdn.org/trash/1760890983356559.png
>>150948300I’m one of those dumbasses who loves itSorry I’m a disappointment
>>150967991Dave Alvarez actually did one for Cool Cat. I'd do one too but it would be on paper, not digital
>>150977211He looks very cool indeed
>>150945704>McKimsonFinally a name to the object of my childhood hatredI always hated the way their mouths opened in his shorts. I can't stand the groundhog one to this day.
>>150977079…i’ll rly believe it when there’s pictures as proof
>>150967991ithink the tinytoon animators drew merlin a lot more volumetric when he appeared on their show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqRPSOPLdHQ
>>150958994i remember the johnny rocketfingers guy complained some of his stuff for the new cartoons got cut cause they were too violent. between that and cutting elmer's gun i couldn't help but feel disappointed
>>150977805i dont see how elmer running and waving a huge knife is more acceptable than him using his hunters riflekids typically have easy access to large knives in the kitchen. hunting rifles not so much
>>150945704WouldWouldWouldWould
Haskett
>>150977195It was fine. There were some good shorts but there were also really ugly ones with gross-out humor. The tweened animation genuinely ruined every short with it.
>>150977805>the johnny rocketfingers guy complained some of his stuff for the new cartoons got cutThis is the guy who made the short where Tweety breaks Sylvester's ribs on-screen. If the shelved shorts have the same violence as that then I'm not interested in watching them.
>>150977616I don't want to be weird about it
Only thing i don't really like about WAD is that i can't say that the Patrick Star Show is dogshit since they are crew members who worked on that in the server
>>150979330The Patrick Star Show is overhated IMO, if I’m being honest it’s far more enjoyable and funny than anything from the past three seasons of SpongeBob. Like it has stronger comedy and is more well-written and doesn’t feel style-over-substance like the new episodes from the main show.
>>150947746Agreed
>>150977805I remember Michael Ruocco's retarded tangent about how getting rid of the gun was actually opening up to need creative ideas and how the joke about Elmer was his fragile masculinity.I like the shorts fine but I knew something about this show's BTS gave me a bad taste.>>150978587I am. Oh and if that was him then chef's fucking kiss.
It's now canon that Porky and Daffy are brothers.
>>150979919What cannon? They're actors.
>>150979692Same guy
>>150979919Looney Tunes never had a canon or continuity, it’s a fucking wacky cartoon you dumbfuck, the joy of Looney Tunes is having a cast of characters with defining traits that can be put in any setting.
>>150976780honestly probably yeah, they seem to not give much of a shit>>150977211not bad at all>>150977714so they have
>>150979379as an outsider not invested in any spongebob the patrick star show looks like a better cartoon, at least compared to the modern spongebob stuff, from the clips I see of each; it's just fundamentally tainted by the knowledge most people have that it's something spongebob's creator wouldn't have wanted
>>150980044Filename gay but yeah this is funny shit.
>>150980709Not my fault since i saved it
>>150980618Hillenburg never rejected the idea of spinoffs, he just said that he couldn’t really see one happening at the time. He also knew about Camp Koral and approved of it before his passing.>>150980044>a talented industry professional turns out to be into some nasty fetish shitMany such cases.
>>150980618>that it's something spongebob's creator wouldn't have wantedTheir beloved deity also said Spongebob is asexual but they still want him to fuck Sandy.
>>150980044>>150980984Insert Parker Simmons compilation
An earlier LT thread asked why Leon Schlesinger did such an uncanny good job of choosing directors and I think it’s because he was such a hands-off producer that his directors needed to be de facto producers of their own work, so the guys who lasted in the job were guys with the confidence and ego to know what they wanted and dominate their own unit.The directors who got promoted in the 40s after Clampett and Tashlin left, McKimson and Davis, didn’t have that or at least didn’t get the opportunity to develop it, though they both made good cartoons.Mike Barrier’s now-defunct site had an interview with one of Davis’s writers (the other was Bill “Bullwinkle” Scott) who said that when he and his co-writer presented their story to the full studio team (producer, directors, writers) Davis didn’t seem willing to say what he thought of it until Chuck Jones said “if he doesn’t want it, I’ll take it” and then the room came to life.Probably has to be filtered through the writer’s bitterness that Davis lost his unit and he lost his job, but it does fit that Davis went back to being an animator instead of trying to find a director gig somewhere else, while the great directors really couldn’t do anything but be the boss. Maybe great animators aren’t born to direct.
>>150945704ClampettI don't necessarily dislike the others, but damn, Clampett's style is just superior.
>>150982939>Mike Barrier’s now-defunct site had an interview with one of Davis’s writers (the other was Bill “Bullwinkle” Scott) who said that when he and his co-writer presented their story to the full studio team (producer, directors, writers) Davis didn’t seem willing to say what he thought of it until Chuck Jones said “if he doesn’t want it, I’ll take it” and then the room came to life.Back in the 90s and 00s there used to be a ton of little homebrewed animation fan sites that actually had photos and production notes and interviews with some of the last remaining Golden Age guys and those sites are all gone now. It's beyond tragic.
>>150981990Parker Simmons? Explain?
