How at DC is forcing Tim Drake down our throats?Fucking why?
One of the other issues said Terry was there too so I guess there's two Batmen Beyond?I can't believe anyone remembers Futures End honestly but I guess if Waid is the guy who would
>>150959567i still don't understand why people liked tim drake but hated miles morales
>>150959598Those two characters aren't remotely similar.
>>150959587They haven't referenced Future's End in a decade, now they're dredging it back up in this incessant Tim Drake push >>150959598I dislike both equally
>>150959618Tim has literally no potential to grow beyond just being Robin
>>150959598The thing to remember is they killed off Ultimate Peter to replace him with Miles. They didn’t kill Jason off just so they can replace him, they killed him because readers voted on it.
>>150959598Tim Drake isn't being forced as THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE BONAFIDE BATMAN HE'S DOING HIS OWN THANG while hiding behind racial politics when presented with criticism.
>>150959598Funny enough it's actually the other way around, Tim is failing for the same reasons Miles did. They lowered Tim to Miles' level as an irrelevant token.
>>150959708Yeah they just keep pushing him as the one true Robin like he’s not too old for that shit and like Damian isn’t more popular than him, in addition to taking Terry’s thing on THREE occasions now (Future’s End, the Batman Beyond book that followed, now OP’s pic).Tim is old, busted, and irrelevant, but most of the writers and editors who handle him now are 90sfags who want to bring him back to his glory days by shitting on others. Which makes sense because Tim only “worked” when shitting on Dick (dumbing him down, stealing his shit, trying to retcon him as never having taken being Robin seriously) and Jason (retconning him as a bad person).
>>150959787>in addition to taking Terry’s thing on THREE occasions now (Future’s End, the Batman Beyond book that followed, now OP’s pic).this is the same tim from future's end
>>150959787Tim like about 19 years old at this point right?He should be his own hero, not Robin, but the everyone knows he doesn't have enough personality going for him to be a standpoint.
>>150959787I cant believe 90s fags that make the decisions now made the decision to turn him 'bi' which basically means he's doomed to forever be a homo, instead of getting back with Steph
>>150959808Even when he did leave the Robin mantle to become his own hero, he chose to call himself Red Robin showing he couldn’t move on from being Robin.
>>150959567Say that in English paco.
>>150959961And he stole the costume from Jason.I don't get this love affair with Tim right now. I'd rather have Stephanie get a push, she was at least fun.
>>150959567waid's retarded. must have mixed up their name since tim was batman beyond back in future state shit ass comic
I like Tim
>>150959847Except it wasn’t 90s fags you retard, it was an early 2000s fanfiction writer.
>>150959567Wheres this from?
>>150959567they couldnt make batman beyond gay, so they made him gay for pay with tim drake.
>>150960007The writers now grew up with Tim as their Robin. Expect Damian to became a villain or just get killed again.
>>150959567Was Waid under the impression that Future's End was well liked??
>>150959567wait does this mean Tim's dad got the cuckshot?
>>150959567So is there where futures end time disappeared to? I thought jor-el took him
>>150959708neither is miles
>>150960007Steph only exists to be looking sad whenever cass ignores her
>>150959787>>150960197I'm gonna laugh if Damian manages to graduate to some distinct post-Robin identity that sticks before Tim can.>b-but Red RobinI said distinct, not Earth-Two Adult Robin 2.0.
>>150960434>>150960197Damian is going to become the new Leslie Thompkins
>Red RobinI still maintain this is the dumbest fucking name he could have picked, like it implies there’s more Robins, like Blue Robin and Yellow Robin.
>>150960434I find it extremely funny how Dick and Jason got meaningful post Robin identities (dick being a Superman fanboy, Jason having gotten killed by joker), but Tim only became Red Robin because from 2007 to 2010 DC kept jerking off Kingdom Come lol.
>>150960614Tim litterally should have been a fucking detective or part of checkmate. Agent Drake is a cool name and it gets him out of the bag ghetto and into the more clandestine cooler parts.Trying to make dick a secret agent was a bad call.Making Tim the secret agent was the correct call.
>>150960659checks out
>>150959587>I can't believe anyone remembers Futures EndIt's been an important part of the Batman Beyond comics. Rebirth even brought it back up again for Batman Beyond.>>150959620>They haven't referenced Future's End in a decadeHow to say that you don't read Batman Beyond, without saying that you don't read Batman Beyond.
>>150959787>in addition to taking Terry’s thing on THREE occasions now (Future’s End, the Batman Beyond book that followed, now OP’s pic).The Batman Beyond book carried on from Futures End. That's only 2. Terry was killed in Futures End, so Tim took up the mantle at the end of Futures End and continued into the Batman Beyond ongoing.
>>150960656Genuine question for Timfags, is there something from Tim's lore/personality that would make for a good ORIGINAL hero name?I say original because I know Dixon at one point wanted him to be Blue Beetle for a little bit and that Tim was the third Robin to use Red Robin, and because some Timfags bring up the idea of him becoming Oracle if Babs won't or taking the Gray Ghost name.
Fagman Beyond lol
>>150960925nocardinal is the most popular original idea for him with most of the other suggestions being shit like sparrow and redwing, and people only suggest them because they’re bird relatedgray ghost is probably the best idea for him, the issue would be the set up for it in order for it to fit tim’s character tim’s main character trait is fanboyism so to fit his personality/lore they’d have to retcon in some dude that tim is a fanboy of. which COULD work especially if they harken back to tim being a fucking freak who basically stalked dick by having him try to find the og grey ghostbut i don’t trust writers to make it work and also most readers are eternally 12 so dc would be hearing gay ghost for the rest of their days
>>150960925Understand that everything Tim's lore and personality was completely thrown out in the early 00s to make him as generic a Robin as possible to fit into the corporate mold. Then they introduced a new Robin anyway.Understand also that this was literally the point of Tim's creation: he's Robin because Batman needs a Robin, and if Tim is ever not needed or they want to make a new Robin then Tim can simply retire. Well they made a new Robin but he couldn't retire because all of his out clauses were stripped away until he had nothing left. Being "the gay Robin" is all he has anymore.
>>150961178DCAU was right to just retire him in Beyond. True visionaries in retrospect.
>>150960925Also going to expand the question since the whole generation is fucked:Genuine questions for Konfags and Cassiefags, is there something from Kon and Cassie's lore/personalities that would make for a good original hero name?Thankfully Bart was Impulse before he got demoted to Kid Flash until he took his name back before Irey could steal it.
>>150961270>Thankfully Bart was Impulse before he got demoted to Kid Flash until he took his name back before Irey could steal it.I'm really grateful for that.
>>150961270Those 2 exist to leech popularity off of their parent heroes so they aren't getting anything different any time soon
???
>>150961399Couldnt they have actually used the actual reject Gotham heroes? Like Creeper, Ragman, Section 8?
This only adds fuel to the fire that DC writers just oddly hate Terry for some odd reason
>>150961270Scion or Supernova for KonAs for Cassie uhh>she should go back to being Zeus’s daughter since Diana is clay again >she has a lightning lasso>greek goddess of lightning is Astrape>one letter off from AssrapeI guess you could use Bronte her Thunder counterpart but other than that I’m out of ideas
>>150961129You know what.Now that tim is a homo and he needs a new identity.Then. They should canonize the Grey Ghost. A WW2 hero and actor.Make him litterally Kevin Conroy in looks and have him stumble onto his secret lair while tracking down an old enemy.
>>150961439Hes been ruined forever by the wierd eugenics origin.
>>150961439Because a cartoon did so easily what they tried to do for decades: make a batman successor fans were cool with.
>>150961439It's just hard to slot him in. The Damian and Terry angle just doesn't fit as naturally as Bruce and Terry. But if Bruce is there as bitter retired Batman and mainline comics related that brings up a lot of questions about the extended family, and Damian in particular. Its why the new Static and Terry mini is an elseworlds. It let's them keep the Terry and Bruce dynamic and ignore the rest and keep it like the DCAU.
>>150960925>>150961270>TimRed Robin>KonJohnny Rocket>CassieRuby Tuesday>BartIHOP
>>150961439>That Arkham Beyond leak where it was gonna have every plot beat from beyond but its Damian now >Now Tim Beyond >Terry has never been given any good comics either
>>150959598That's because you're an idiot.
>>150961695Batman Beyond 2.0 was good for the first couple arcs before the Bruce/Babs/Dick shit happened.
>>150961681Honestly all the crap they did with Bruce after BTAS might as well have been character derailment; you could easily have the dynamic between Damian and Terry work as well as it was between Bruce and Terry in Beyond.
>>150961681Hell, it's even kind of hard to slot Beyond with Justice League Unlimited. JLU Batman is a Batman that never had a Tower of Babel and is the opposite of an old jaded Bruce. JLU Batman is a true believer in the Justice League and the experience has made him a happier guy with a found community and a lot less trust issues. It really takes the Batman Beyond movie to course correct this.
>>150961439I feel like it's because Terry works better when the batfamily is small. the DCAU was just Bruce, Dick, Tim, and barbara. So a jump to the future it's easier to slot him in because there's no one else that would take the mantle or would want to take the mantle. on top of Bruce ending up pushing people away. So everything Terry taking the mantle makes senseNow compare that to the comics batfamily of Bruce, Dick, Jason, Tim, Damian, Stephanie, Cass, Kate, Barbabra, Helena, Selina, Duke. There's just too many people in the batfamily. And if/when Bruce were to grow too old for the cowl, there's many other people in the batfamily that can take his place as Batman beyond BruceTerry really only works either on his own Earth, or a Batman from a much farther future where EVERYONE is too old to take the mantle/is dead
>>150961828Even in Beyond itself, Babs looked old enough to be a grandmother and Tim was middle aged. Damian, if he existed, wouldn't be that much younger. Beyond was further in the future than people remember.
>>150961818If anything it makes Batman beyond all the more sadder. because he was actually happy in JLU. And yet his obsession with the mission is what drove him to be aloneBut imo Beyond more fits if you don't watch JL/JLU. It lines up much better with his more serious and jaded attitude in TNBA. It makes sense that he'd eventually push people away
>>150961828Beyond is weird since they didnt think justice league would be made. Its why in Beyond the justice league has fucking big barda on their current roster (Beyond Aqua Girl is underrated though she should be a thing)
>>150961828You don't even need anyone to take the Batman mantle in today's comics era. Bruce has successfully cultivated a new generation. The takeway from the Batman Inc. era should be Batman isn't needed forever because you have a crowd of heroes now who could in theory have their own successors. In the Beyondverse a new Batman is needed because there's no one left in Gotham.
>>150961905That's also a good point too. With the massive Batfamily + Batman Inc, Terry just can't work in the comics unless it's an Elsworld
>>150961893Big barda was because Wonder Woman couldn't appear
>>150961399They wanted to use the title Justice League Unlimited. So they used Terry, because that's the name of the Justice League from the cartoon.
>>150961930>>150961905Even then if you remove all bat people in gotham they have >Creeper>Simon Dark>Whistle >Mother Panic >Section 8>Hitman ( RIP)
>>150961399Also, Terry hasn't done shit. Outside of Futures End, he never does anything outside of his solo series.
>>150961893Barda was because of the weird Wonder Woman thing going on at the timeWhich just opened up the question as to where the hell Wonder Woman is during Beyond
>>150961893I like the Buddhist Green Lantern too
>>150961948Gotham really is just covered by all angles. Terry just can't really exist since his entire existence relies on Gotham having no one around but the GCPD
>>150961882The obsession with the mission isn't even what drives him to be alone. It's just one bad day with the Joker that fucks everything up. The movie also kind of fucks up Epilogue, too, since the ending of the movie has everyone coming together again after they beat the Joker and implies a better outcome than Terry becoming Dick 2.0 and trying to push Bruce away. So yeah even the JLU/Beyond crossovers fuck the story up.
>>150961867IIRC Beyond Bruce by ROTJ was in his 70(?)
>>150961993Late 70s. Probably 80 by the time it ended, definitely in his mid-80s in Epilogue (even though it shouldn't be canon).
>>150961990When you really think about it, JL/JLU makes Beyond all the more confusing. It works if you go BTAS-TNBA-BB (And movies). But not if you go BTAS-TNBA-JL-JLU-BB. Especially since the only real previous leaguers that show up is Superman.
>>150962040So let's say in BTAS/TNBA Bruce is somewhere in his 30s-40s. Babs was going through college same as Dick around that time too. Which granted you can go to college any time but lets say Babs is in her 20s. So 10 years give or take, 20 maxSo by Beyond (When Terry takes the mantle) Bruce is in his late 70s going into his 80s. So Babs would probably be in her mid 60s. We can assume Dick is also around there. Which would make Tim ranging from 40-50s
>>150962070Agreed. BB and JLU feel like branching timelines even if the creators intend them to all be one thing. BB kind still kind of work with JL but it's like the expansion of the league in JLU and Bruce's full embrace of the team becomes a Sliding Door moment. The Bruce that has Green Arrow join the League and fights for the League to stay around because he believes in the good it does so much when no one else would is fundamentally incompatible with Beyond's old man Bruce.
>>150959598Jason what dead by the time Tim became Robin.
>>150962170It even works if you add STAS in there as well. In the BTAS/STAS/TNBA/BB timeline, the league was never formed. If it did, it was brief but it never got to the size of the JLU. Bruce and Clark know each other from their time together in Worlds Finest, and implied other teamups. But they weren't as close as they became in JL/JLU since the League was never fully formed or stayed as a Justice League. or if the League was created, it never grew towards it's JLU status
>>150959787DC needs to retire Tim because he adds literally nothing to the batfamily except for toxic yaoi shippers.>he's the best detective!Be real for a second, if DC wanted a detective book they would make one with Batman so it would sell>he's the smart Robin!All the Robins are supposed to be smart, and Babs as Oracle is more useful than Tim as anything>he needs to date Steph!Steph/Cass has more vocal shippers these days and for some reason Jason/Steph has been exploding in popularity to the point it has about a third the amount of fanfics Tim/Steph in a span of 5 yearsThe only thing Tim could do to set himself apart is to go back to being the Spider-man archetype in a college setting as opposed to a high school setting. But that's never gonna happen as he can't even have a mediocre series sell enough for 12 issues, unlike Dick, where it took 24 issues of not even being himself in an absolutely dogshit book to finally reach cancellation levels. So instead he's just going to mosey around, floating around in various batbooks doing nothing, until they finally get enough balls to kill him off.
>>150962131I'd say early 30s for BTAS. Let's say this version of Damian is conceived at around the same time. That would put him in his own early or mid-40s by Beyond. I can definitely see him acknowledging he's passed his physical peak by then and retired from superheroing to influence things behind the scenes as a businessman and/or politician, possibly also influenced by bitterly thinking he couldn't keep his father's ideals allive.
>>150962321Honestly the more you think about it, the only way Terry could work in mainline (and not an Elsworld) is either Damian is "the old man Bruce" (Since he's the youngest of the family and by time Damian is "old Bruce" age, everyone else has probably passed away) or they do a huge time jump where everyone is deadIt would also make sense Damian ended up pushing people away. Because... it's Damian
>>150959567No one has a right to bitch about Tim being forced when DC aggressively did it with Damian for over a decade.
>>150960647>all the f list bat family kids can become sentai bat rangers
Kind of funny how the more you think about Beyond, the more you realize it's impossible to fit in the mainline and barely even fits in the DCAU
>>150962436>Blue Robin (Dick)>Red Robin (Tim)>The Cooler Red Robin (Jason)>Grey Robin (Damian)>Yellow Robin (Babs)>Black Robin (Cass)>Purple Robin (Steph)
>>150960647You forgot drake
>>150960925Wraith or Raubtier>>150961270>the whole generation is fuckedMaybe but none of their successors or replacements have achieved the level of success they had at their peaks. >>150961486>Scion or Supernova for KonThese are great
>>150961399There were two batmen with that suit. One terry, one tim
I feel like I'm taking a crazy pill reading a bunch of motherfuckers comparing Terry to Miles Morales after they found out Tim Drake was Batman Beyond in one of DC's most despicable events.Now comes this pathetic gaslighting shit trying to say that Terry never did anything outside of the cartoons, when Tim Drake never did a damn thing anywhere and is only remembered for sucking Bernard's dick.
>>150962787Tim Drake is the one being compared to Miles, not Terry
>>150962441It not only doesnt fit it retroactively turns the entire JLU with some of it's god awful decisions. The only way to make it wotk is to make Terry's father his actual father. Make his father a cop thats killed or turned into a half sane monster by scientist blight. Which would lead him to him looking more into what he was doing. He finds out his Father's real name. Its Tim Drake. Hes Tim Drakes son. Tim changed his name after leaving the "family".He is accosted by the jokers whike digging too deeply (hint hint). Oldman batman saves his life. Cue the batman beyond.Max becomes his oracle
>>150962913Just take out JL and JLU and Beyond fits BTAS fine as an Elseworld. It's still a Bad End for Bruce and I prefer the JLU ending. But without the Justice League, there's no Epilogue shit to ruin both Terry and Bruce. The movie becomes a more fitting ending that has Terry be the driving force to finally reconcile Bruce and the Bat family and allows everyone to finally move on, and it gives a more open ending future for Terry for future stories, a happier fitting ending, and even adding more modern comic stuff down the road like Damian and a Batman Beyond Inc.
>>150962913They honestly made its connection worse with Epilogue. BB works when connected with TNBA. It's Incompatible with JL/JLUWhen you think about it that way, Batman Beyond was always an Elsworlds. Not in the "DCAU is an Elsworlds" but BB itself is an Elsworlds of an Elsworlds. An alternate timeline/universe of the DCAUWhich when you think it that way explains how and why Beyond cannot function in mainline DC and can ONLY work as an Elsworlds. Because its very foundation is that of an Elsworlds. For Terry and everything in the Beyond universe to function, it has to be an Elsworlds. Because it fundamentally is an Elsworlds of the DCAU
>>150963002Its already an elseworlds. The static in thr future static episide of the static shock cartoon 8s different from yhe future static in jlu.So beyond is an elseworlds
>>150963024Yes, it is like Zetta
>>150963039I mean an Elseworlds relative to JLU
>>150963063It's an elseworlds compared to jlu period.
>>150959567How is the DC?
>>150959567I thought Tim never wanted to be Batman?
>>150963811He says that but there's a lot of future Bat Tim's out there. Hell, we're seeing all the main Robins in their future selves at Batman in a few months as part of the D.C K.O. event. Surprise surprise, Tim has the shittiest outfit.
>>150963837We got Batman Tim and we still don't have TimKon, baka.
>>150959598I honestly truly believe that Miles fags have difficulty understanding this. And it's sad. Because it's really simple.
>>150962533>Maybe but none of their successors or replacements have achieved the level of success they had at their peaks.This has always felt like a odd point to make for me, mainly because comics as a whole have had their popularity go down since the speculator bubble popped.. For example if we follow the logic of "all ships rise with the tide" then not just the tides but the proverbial sea levels have lowered since then. For example, back then a C-Lister could get a 50 issue run, and today getting over 12 issues is a win and over 30 is a rarefyinstead a good argument i my eyes is one of proportion with the size of the industry overall serving as ratio markers.
Terry and Tim are getting roasted to hell and back on comic twitter
>>150963811When did he says that dough?
Miles fans won
>>150964040No one who actually gives a shit about actually making comics cares about twitter anymore.
>>150962787Terry so shit he can't even get his own comic lmao. Zero fucking aura.
People can't even tell when Batman Beyond is Terry because of how little personality he has.
>>150959567They're not actually making Tim Drake, Batman Beyond, right? Because besides all the gay crap, that would permanently tank him to the bottom of my list. Maybe even below Harley and Ivy.
>>150959678The plans for Tim Drake were already in place. Jason would be replaced, and the vote was to decide whether he would die or survive. But either way, he would no longer be Robin.
>>150963811IIRC, he wasn't enthusiastic about the idea, but he was willing to do it if necessary. Dick was the one who used to be staunchly against taking the cowl.
>>150959567You will care about Tim Drake.
>>150965241He was Batman Beyond like 10 years ago in the Future’s End arc, this is referencing that
>>150960659That actually makes a lot of sense
>>150959567Got retcon'd into being a faggot. So he's got to be everywhere
>>150959598I still don't understand why batfags believe their gay pedophile rape dungeon franchising garbage is interchangeable with a completely different series. I take you're all twitter tourists, given the random mentions ITT as if anyone gives the slightest shit.
>>150959787>like Damian isn’t more popularYou'r delusional. Tim has the charisma of a wet noodle but Damian is by far the less popular of the male Robin.>>150963811No Robin aside Damian ever wanted to be but the writers have dropped the ball a long time ago.
>>150959567Goddammit they will never let Terry have anything to himself
Mileschads are dabbing on Terrycucks on X.
>>150965617It's because Terry inherited everything from Batman, he has nothing to call his own.
>>150959598/co/tard cope because Miles is black, ignore it
The only Robin that needs to be involved with Batman Beyond is CARRIEMILF CARRIE IN THE ROBIN SUIT TRAINING TERRY
>>150962860Funny, 'cause the Robin title was stolen from him from Damian and since then he isn't shit.
>>150965947If anything, they want Terry erased from existence.
Tim sucks, but I think the issue is that Terry really can't work in the main like DCU because there's not a spot where he would fit.Damian is the natural and direct successor to Batman, he's his son, he's a Robin, and he actually wants to do it. By the time Batman Beyond hits, Damian would be 40, which is prime Batman age.
>>150959598>both are shit
>>150967029Also, Tim should be old as fuck by the time Beyond starts, Damian can use the Lazarus Pit to keep himself young, Tim can't.There's really not a way to naturally insert Terry into the mainline continuity timeline.
>>150960925Tim used to be big into Sherlock Holmes and other detective fiction so I'd like for him to have a mantle that echoes that in a way. Like how Robin Hood was formative for Dick.
>>150962380>the only way Terry could work in mainline (and not an Elsworld) is either Damian is "the old man Bruce"Better explains how Neo-Gotham became a thing. Old Gotham was destroyed during Damian's time as Batman. Bro got No Man's Land on steroids.
I think the funny thing about Tim as Batman Beyond is that it's almost certainly a mistake Loeb made because he's old and Berganza didn't catch because he was too busy creeping on interns.
>>150966184>MILF Carrie in the skin tight Beyond suitOR>MILF Carrie whispering into Terry's ear to train him
>>150967150That's what i was thinking too. Damian pretty much destroyed old Gotham which caused the creation of Neo-GothamCould have some interesting interactions with Damian and terry too. Like Terry's attitude or way of doing things reminds him of his brothers. And terry can encourage Damian to take back Wayne Enterprises and actually improve Gotham after feeling like he failed Bruce and his legacyThat's the only real way Terry could fit. They have to change Old Man Bruce into Old Man Damian. It'd open up a lot of interesting interactions between Damian and Terry
>>150967122Arsene Lupin?
>>150965162Honestly, yeah they have. They will never stop pushing Miles with everything they've got.
>>150960659i agree with this. tim being the guy to retire the vigilante stuff and maybe go legit is the move. agent drake sounds better than all other superhero names i've heardi'm surprised so many people want to fix terry into the comics; it was never gonna work outside of elseworlds, especially after damien's introduction
Doesnt Tim end as a tyrant ruler in most future universes? Isnt he like pragmatic Batman gone wrong? They should just make a "whatever it takes" Batman, who doesnt kill but does worse than killing.
>>150967445Bullshit, just make Damian Head of the demon as in most future versions. You can have old man Bruce, Damian al Ghul and Terry. You would have to retcon only the rah's episode instead of the whole series.
>>150960007Hopefully fanfic fujo writers that aren't Solemini the wannabe can get their day at DC in the future, otherwise we'd be in for more Timwank and Jason and Steph slander.
>>150961486I saw one person wanted her to be "Wonderbolt" as Wonder + her lightning ability.
>>150965293Alan Grant was hoping Lonnie could be the next Robin, but probably wouldn't have done well with him being ginger and rebellious
>>150967193Same could be said with weird typos and gaffes in Johns' TT run that weren't fixed for the TPB. Supposedly Berganza was his "Britpicker" for Holly Granger's cringey dialogue too, even if the point was Holly was supposed to be American-born. Guess they needed to sell her being English by having her talk like Mary Poppins.
>>150968220>the batman who rapes
>>150968335>him being ginger and rebelliousWasn't this pre crisis Jason?
>>150968220>Future Dick is mostly seen as the perfect Batman>Future Jason just ends up killing criminals>Future Tim turns into a tyrant leader that takes over Gotham and an intense control freak/big brother>Future Damian just ends up killing criminals
>>150959567I hope Tim Drake dies. Not just this Future's End Faggot, but the main character too.
>>150961129>redwingTaken. She's Dick's future Titans sidekick and the main universe version should finally be old enough to reappear.
>>150968716Dick is the protypical two fisted hero and is legitimately built different.Jason is the diwn to earth vengence hero who is deep into the dark mystical side.Tim is the disconnected analytical thinker and detective wo leaves the nest of GothamDamian is batman inner child on steroids the hero or violin the world needs but doesnt know it
>>150968645He was ginger for about 3 issues, but not rebellious.
>>150959567Tim's always been forced. There was no good reason to kill off Jason.
>>150963024I don't see how it couldn't fit with JL(U). Bruce gets old & loses the one thing that keeps him going after decades of being Batman. Meaning he completely cuts out the league from his life.
>>150959567Come on DC let Tim Drake be the next Doctor Mid-Nite like he was supposed to!!
>>150968716There a story by Damian Scott where Tim and Cass are together as Batman and Batwoman taking over for Bruce in the future.
>>150969441No it litterally doesnt. Timm got hus Spiderman 2099 batman themed knock off that couldn't even stay consistent within its own time line.
>>150969441It really doesn't since there's really no reason for Bruce to be alone by the end of JLU. The entire league would do everything in their power to make sure he isn't
>>150959808Tim's age math ain't mathing. He was 17 years old in OYL, 16 during the New 52, college-bound in Rebirth, now living at Wayne Manor or something in current Batman?
>>150968774This
>>150959567The only way to make batman beyond work in JLU is by making the return of the joker what ultimately breaks himDick is in Bludhaven and finds out from Batgirl that Robin has been kidnapped.Nightwing and Batman have it out over Tim being kidnapped. They find Tim and things go mostly the same except Barbara is injured by Harley nearly crippling her before Barbara kills her in the disney thrown off the cliff way. Nightwing 100% blames Batman and himself and takes Tim to BludhavenBatman can't cope with letting down his adopted son the guilt of not killing the joker and his son carrying it. Barbara can't done the cape anymore and becomes the oracle. The now amnesiac Tim, who is suffering from severe trauma is given a new identity as Warren. Warren McGinnis. He doesn't remember his mostly estranged grandfather Bruce nor his adopted mother Barbara. He becomes the grey ghost. Later he meets and marries gives up the grey ghost identity to become Detective Drake. One day he dissapears after going after an old lead on an old batman villain in Gotham. Terry follows the trail of his missing father to the door of his estranged grandfather Bruce Wayne.
>>150959567The whole thing with Tim Drake to me is they fucked up with two things>He's supposed to be something like young BruceThey wanted him to be a version of Bruce that was teen, fresh faced, not a veteran but with the detective skills and hard attitude. That could be an interesting kernel but they didn't give him enough to differentiate between him and Bruce and just began to alter the things he did have. The main things that used to set him apart was he was smart, where Dick and Todd were focused on athletes and thieves. The second thing was that he had his own family and wasn't fucking traumatized or a street urchin. He was a direct answer to Jason Todd. Someone well adjusted, smart, who saw that Batman needed a Robin and was positive thinking but still serious. Then they started to kill his family to just turn him into another Robin/Bruce clone. >Morrison created Damian WayneThis hurt Tim because Damien IS Bruce. He's smart, and trained but reckless. If you're going to pick a Robin for Bats and your choices are Tim and Damian you're probably going Damian just on the juxtaposition and blood relationship. Tim has no niche anymore. He is not as interesting as any other Robin, and going "He's so smart!" is not some fucking superpower when Batman is in the same room. Tim oddly feels like a character that has outgrown the Bat family and it would be interesting to see him either retire, or become a P.I. who operated in Gotham or elsewhere. The whole thing with Dick almost being killed and losing himself would have been perfect if it had happened to Tim and led him into a new role.
>>150969593Literally no argument.>>150969609Again, he got old & fell out with everyone because he could no longer be Batman. They all got on with their lives. He pushed everyone away. This isn't "it can't fit in the timeline". It's just the fact you don't like that he does end up this way.
>>150970286This is fucking retarded.Why would Dick and Bruce fight over Tim being kidnapped? Why would he blame Bruce for the Joker?Why would Babs kill Harley?Why would Harley be working with the Joker again after all these years?If Batman didn't give a shit when Joker crippled Babs or killed Jason, why would he care about Joker torturing his least favorite "son"?
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>>150970309This. It's impossible for me to believe that Tim can do tech things that Bruce can't do himself, so what can he add to the dynamic?
>>150970377I'm working around the TNBA and "Return of the Joker". Idiot. >Why would Dick and Bruce fight over Tim being kidnapped?Their already estranged and Tim, the little brother he is close with being kidnapped and him not informing him of it would be a big reason to be angry.>Why would he blame Bruce for the Joker?Joker is still alive and he's had plenty of reasons to kill him. Can even make the reason they fall out be that Joker went to far and stopped Dick from kiling him. >Why would Babs kill Harley?Harley nearly crippled her in an attack, and it was a life or death decision. She dies falling off of the cliff. .>Why would Harley be working with the Joker again after all these years?It's return of the Joker. Harley isn't a dindu nuffin lesbian quirk chungus fart fetish character in the Timmiverse.>If Batman didn't give a shit when Joker crippled Babs or killed Jason, why would he care about Joker torturing his least favorite "son"?Return of the Joker timeline in JLU. You're talking about comics. Okay. Terry is Tims son. Tim dies fighting his arch nemesis ala Sherlock Holmes. Terry is ideally under Barbara's wing in Gotham, ideally it would be Damian If he's not "the son of the bat" and ruling ras' al ghul's empire.
>>150970524its convoluted as fuck, stop cooking.
>>150959787The truth is that people don't care about the Robin mantle, they care about Dick, and Dick is doing his own thingOn the other hand people DO care about Spider-Man, and don't want to see him turned into a mantle because Bendis decided his race cuckold fetish should be a prominent and permanent part of the story's every incarnation
>>150970524I think one of the bigger mistakes in modern comics is always trying to shoehorn, co-opt, or mix in other variants of stories from either other media or other alternate storylines. Miles Morales has to come to 616 not stay in Ultimate. Nick Fury must be black and have an eye patch. Even the introduction of Harley was fucked up and they've done nothing but wholly change who she was intended to be. It's worse when it's a movie or stand alone universe. Return of the Joker is already a project like that ironically because it tries to Beyond to BTAS.It's always messy because the other media had time to build and intro the character or plot pieces. That's the reason you like it and it becomes popular. Because it was executed well. Importing those ideas is never a 1 to 1 with whatever they're being brought into and ends up being a shallow version of something people already enjoy.
>>150959598hmm.... was tim drake presented as arbitrarily using a sword and arbitrarily using electricity powers?
Has someone pointed out that Terry is stuck at Vanishing Point with some of the other time displaced heroes? There's two Batmen Beyond
>>150959567He was coming into his own as Red Robin during the post-RIP period and even after Bruce Wayne's return. But then the relaunch happened and he became pretty much irrelevant. It was very lame of DC to turn his gay for no reason other than diversity points, though I must say it has been entertaining watching Knightfall fags seethe about it to this day
>>150970464Fascism. He should be a techno control freak.
>>150970524Calm down, retard.Go back, reread your other post, and remember that you're in a thread about the Batman Beyond of JLU issue 12, released yesterday.This is a comics thread.
>>150970464There is nothing any of the Robins or the rest of the supporting cast can do that Bruce can't.
>>150960354>The guy they call Spiderman and has his same rogues gallery is definitely not being forced down our throat
>>150971012Okay.Batman beyond will never work in mainline batman. It will forever be a crappy AU no one wants to write. If they are really lucky they'll be a easter egg costume change. Like the batman and robin costume complete with batnippled or adam west batman costume.
>>150970928Bruce literally did that with Brother Eye, which Tim fought ironically.
>>150959598>literally fishing for repliesSubtlety is dead.
I miss Damian.
>>150959847They thought they could get Tim paired up with Conner.The problem is the Bat editorial didn’t communicate with the Superman editorial. So while Megan Fritzmartin was making Tim Drake gay, Tom Taylor was making Jon Kent gay for brownie points.Now because of Tom Taylor, Conner Kent can’t be made gay because DC Comics doesn’t need two gay Superboys. So now we have a gay Tim Drake and a gay Jon Kent and no one is happy because no one is getting their ships.Heck, most 90sfags and SJWs would rather Jon Kent be killed off and retconned away. Then Conner could be made gay.
>>150959598One is white, the other isn't.
>>150971737he's still there
>>150972471>gaybi
>>150972471that's fucking hilarious
>>150972471It's honestly impressive how they managed to completely ruin Jon. They had a good thing going with Super Sons and Supermanbut then Bendis came...
>>150961948>Gotham doesn't need a batman because it has a bunch of f-list jobbers
>>150968716>Future Damian just ends up destroying Gotham FTFY
>>150974044He was born to two functional heterosexual parents.No creepy faggy origin, no rape, no ebul alien implantation.A normal happy little boy born of a loving well adjusted couple and the fans loved him and liked his Goku/vegeta as kids type friendship with batman jr.(who is litterally just batman from the kidstuff ep of JLU)He had to be turned fag and aged up.Might give the losers and normals ideas about families and having children.
>>150959567Weird how Batman has 3 Robins and Batgirl, now everybody are full adults, and Batman still in his 40s
>>150959567Tim Drake is just white miles at this point, but also funny because Beyondtimmies are getting buck broken by the gay robin lol.
>>150959567No idea, he's lame and gay.
>>150974880It still pisses me off. They had everything perfect for them with Jon growing up, Superman teaching him life lessons and how to manage his powers, his friendship with Damian. Everything was greatAnd then they just went "nah". And now Jon just exists because they skipped any and all development he would've got
>>150959567They're also forcing things up his ass. It's what they're used to.
>>150959847>I cant believe 90s fags that make the decisions nowI will guarantee you Fitzmartin has never read Dixon's 90's run becausehe's an icky rightwinger.
>>150971201im surprised how many actually took the obvious bait whilst seething
