Why did so many hate it? I thought it wasn't that bad.
>>150960270the designs look fucking dreadful.
>>150960281Wrong
>>150960270The visual aesthetic filtered a lot of people when it was announced, and the people who did try and give it an honest chance hated how slow the show was when it came to moving the actual plot. Also it's seen as the tipping point in Nick forcing Black April everywhere.
>Everyone is Michelangelo, even April, who is also black.>Animation is either choppy or incomprehensible fireworks.>Too many magic powers.
>>150960291how insightful, thank you for sharing that information with me.
>>150960270The story and characters suck and the design is overdone and ugly. Its mostly how it looks though.
>>150960331The 2012 series wipes this in every way
>>150960281I like that they are all different turtles, I wonder why that hasn't been attempted before
>>150960302Nickelodeon also gave it terrible time slots, and zero marketing to be fair
>>150960339i have to agree i enjoy that idea, but theyre brothers from the same batch of eggs
>>150960337Funny enough I prefer shipping April and Donny a lot more in this show. 2012 still clears however
>>150960315Ok
>>150960281just april. if they made april a cute white girl and introduced future casey earlier, it would've been a smash hit
>>150960731Don't care much for her outfit, but she's pretty cute
>rotmntDoesn't have Mona Lisa and raph. Pass
i hate it purely from a superficial standpointit's ugly dogshit
>>1509603372012 had atrocious writing and badly-aged CGI.
I got filtered by splinters characterization in the early episodes and I just took it as a "we hate the source material" cartoon.Its a shame because they did a very good job with the character...later on. The problem being I wouldn't be surprised if people dropped the series in the first 5 episodes.
>>150960270>half length episode format>bad designs>different for the sake of different everything>Black April who is also obnoxious and not endearing in any way>First season, everyone is Mikey by retarded. Gradually developes into Raph being extremely retarded, Donnie being extremely obnoxious, Mikey being an extreme fag, and Leo being extremely insecure.>Splinter is one giant fart joke until much later after most audience's stopped caring when they give him a real personality and a backstory>writing staff was entirely too in love with their own shitty, bad jokes but never stopped making them>20:1 ratio of utterly retarded bullshit and annoying attempts at irreverent humor to action and adventure
This is the only reboot I want.
>>150960270I thought it was bad.
>>150962692>obnoxious and not endearing in any wayThat's not just April, that's pretty much all characters.The show is written for the ADHD zoomer audience where every character has to be the most insufferable thing imaginable.
>>150960270>Why did so many hate it? I thought it wasn't that bad.It looked like Tumblr trash. also April is suddenly black now for some reason.>>150960356>Nickelodeon also gave it terrible time slots, and zero marketing to be fairThey knew it was awful.
>>150960281This. April is the most obvious terrible design but unlike what some faggots may say, the turtles suck too, especially turning Leo and Mikey into fuckboys. Let's not forget Splinters horrendous design and turning Casey Jones into a shaved haired dyke.
>>150960823No, she isn't.
>>150960945That's a good enough standpoint.
>>150962758In this universe, Is April a hunky, go getter reporter who unbuttons the first two buttons on his shirt showing off his bodacious pecs?
>>150960270Many were pissed April was black. Too many goofy episodes. I enjoyed the shit out of it. It wasn't your regular ninja turtles and it worked really well. Autists just don't like change and the toys sucked
>>150960270Alot of reactionaries hated it for black april despite the fact shes actually pretty hot. I hated it because the episodes were too short, the humor and writing was cringe, they refused to bring back old mutant characters and opted for shitty OCs instead, and because the turtles are drawn in a very faggy way like a fujoshi was the animator or something. I dont even hate furries like some anons do but the turtles shouldnt be so fruity
>>150963690>I wanted to fuck the child, so actually the show was goodPlease shut the fuck up forever.
>>150961170I liked alot of 2012 despite hating alot of it too and i agree the CGI looks bad now
>>150960823at least post some on model shit to prove your point retard
>>150963699Did you miss the rest of my post bashing rise of the tmnt, faggot? I said that people who hated it purely for black april are retarded and hated it for the wrong reasons
It was fun and mogged the trite 2012 series, despite a lot of things outside of its control being so out of its favor. Diehard retards need not apply. Had the best Donnie too, turning him into a sassy autismo is such a good idea that needs to be carried forward, it's actually a miracle it worked as well as it did considering Leo was a sassy asshole too, but this kind of Donnie could still work with a more straight-laced Leo
>>150960356Nick gave it very good slots initially. You can say they panicked when the ratings were clearly lower than what 2012 had at a comparable point in its life cycle, but the idea that Nick had it out for its own show is nonsense. 2012 set high standards for viewership, Rise didn't deliver, and Nick was quick to pull the plug. That's about it.
>>150960270tmnt 2012 worked as a reboot. from there the turtles got worse/more retardedblack april is a non-issue. making her a high schooler is the problem. she's supposed to be the pseudo-mother figure of the turtles.
>>150963987>she's supposed to be the pseudo-mother figure of the turtles.Yeah, no.>making her a high schooler is the problem. No.>black april is a non-issue.It's an issue of a very different sort, but being "color blind" in a way that only allows characters to turn black and stay black isn't a non-issue, and pretending not to notice doesn't help.But it's your overall assessment of what April "should" be that's the most laughable. April was in less than half of the eps of Rise, even counting eps where she was just a passing-through cameo. In the eps where she was around she got the barest strokes of a personality. She wasn't the problem with the show.
>>150960270I will never get used to large raph.
>>150963987>>150964075Diving into this more, "April is meant to be the pseudo-mother figure" is almost an understandable take going by '87 Turtles, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Her role was to be an attractive woman that hung out with the monsters (beauty and the beasts), who could interact with other humans for them, allowing them to hang in the shadows. That's the core of the character, and making any rules as to what she should be like beyond that is silliness.In the 80s show she could work a bit as a matronly character looking after them, going "oh you guys" and getting kidnapped a LOT. The show was campy and rarely high stakes, that was fine.In the more serious Mirage comics though, after her initial story Eastman and Laird struggled more and more with what to do with her. Her life got flipped upside down by the boys and she just went along with it, not really adding much aside from occasional minor assistance or providing them with a place to stay. The comic would check up on her and she'd just be worrying for a couple panels.2003 briefly tried to make her less of a damsel-in-distress, then forgot about her. She appeared less and less with time.2012 for all its flaws made her a human that hung out with the boys initially because she needed them as much as they needed her, then stayed with them because they were her friends. Having them befriend another teenager, and having that teenager be April, is perfectly viable. She still could serve her core role "attractive woman that hangs out with them and does things they can't." Rise April failed from the get-go because the writers never gave a damn about having the boys hang in the shadows, they happily strolled up to people and interacted with them in broad daylight. That show's April was pointless. There's a reason we never saw them meet her for the first time, nobody working on the show cared about her enough to bother with that story. And MM April is just shit because Seth Rogan rolls like that.
>>150960270We hate it because you're wrong. It's bad. Mainly the writing, but the character designs were dogshit too.
>>150960270>Why did so many hate it? It was a reboot that dared to be different.
>>150960270nortubel tier art style
>>150960281/co/ will really look at one of the best animated shows released within the last decade and say it looks like dogshit because they don't look like the ones that released 30 years ago
>>150960281>>150960302>>150960331>>150960945>>150962692>>150963611>>150964645I really have no idea why people are trashing the designs. I thought they were cool. They felt really expressive, dynamic, had a bit of punk rock edge to them. They felt fresh.
>>150965204People cant comprehend that the animation (movement, flow, etc;) is good but the look (style, color, etc;) is bad. The entire style comes off as overdone and grating, and while the animation as I said is good its sort of jarring to see the characters move around. It feels like something that could possibly induce a seizure in an epileptic child. I like the 2012 look more because they seemed more grounded in reality and it was easier for my eyes to understand.
>>150965256it can be overdone at times but those are a minory desu. personally i'll prefer a show that actually, genuinely looks COOL and is too overdone over something simpler and easier to read but that you can really tell is just recycling the same 5 puppet assets for 90% of the episode.
>>150965256I like the color and style. I like that it’s grounded less in reality. Fucking USE the medium.
>>150965274Id prefer something that doesnt hurt to look at and derives its cool factor from atmosphere rather than spectacle, which I think Rise fails to do>>150965693>*Paints the Mona Lisa*>"Youre not using the medium">*Paints Van Gogh* >"Youre NOT using the medium">*Paints Jackson Pollock*>USE THE MEDIUM WHATS WRONG WITH YOU
>>150965204Gunn...
>>150964901a crying shame really.despite of usually lighthearted it is, the serious moments hit me harder than pretty much any other animated series i've watched.i can't believe they managed to make this version of splinter work, but by god they did it
>>150964901Good animation on a bad show is wasted potential. And even then, the good animation is a handful of sparkles in a pile of shit. The truth is that the Rise production team fucked up and they fucked up big time by making 90% of their show a retarded waste of time, only for 10% of it to be one the better action shows for its time.However, the thing that truly soured everyone on Rise was the fans. People who didn't care about TMNT, but insisted it was the best TMNT. People who don't really care about animation, but insist on telling everyone how it's the best animation ever. You can painstakingly explain why you didn't like it and what was wrong with it (and there is a lot) but they won't accept it. You are required to like Rise, according to the fans, and if you don't then there's something wrong with you, not them.And besides, if they cared about TMNT cartoons with decent character writing, a strong overarching plot, and high quality action and fight animation, they would have watched Tales of the TMNT, but they didn't, because they only care about Rise.
>>150960270The episodes seemed like they wanted to rush through all the lines and jokes as fast as they could and as other anons said, too silly. Couldn't have a single proper fight without jokes thrown around and usually bad jokes at that. Only at the very end and in the movie we got proper consistently solid action and some stakes.
>>150960270It got a lot of flack for intentionally trying to avoid doing what every other TMNT adaptation does.
>>150966038I really like the direction they took with splinter, I think if they took less time to get the story together it wouldn't be so divisive
isn't this the worst rated tmnt show in imdb by a large marginwhy does /co/ pretend it's amazing
>>150966613Contrarianism
>>150966285every fucking fandom is the worst there is. a show shouldn't be valued on the quality of it's fans because if we did then every single show out there would be complete dogshit.>by making 90% of their show a retarded waste of time, only for 10% of it to be one the better action shows for its time.I don't disagree with this but at this point you just have to take it with this medium, the western part of it at least. How many western, animated action shows have there been where this hasn't been the case? I bet you can count them with a single hand.Rise was a light hearted comedy-action show first. It was pretty obvious from the start. I find it did a pretty good job at it, not anything special on the plot department, but if you like animation as a medium it really was one of the best for it's time.
>>150966613Younger audience that didn't have a genuinely good action cartoon airing during their formative years. So they latched onto it and when it got cancelled, that crystallized into one of those obnoxious fandoms that pretends they had the most amazing, beloved, unbelievably cool shows ever made that was unfairly cut down before it's time. While, of course, ignoring that it got shit ratings, was not well liked, and most importantly didn't move merch.
>>150966613Tbf ive seen alot of females adore this show for whatever reason. At the college i went to i heard nothing but adulation for this dog shit
>>150966703I feel like TMNT as a franchise needs to grow up instead of getting more infantile with every incarnation. And by that I mean, be more Mirage less Rise/Rogen. 1990 movie had a good balance of camp and seriousness without being too edgy or too goofy. 1987 only got away with being the way it was because there was nothing else like it at the time, not in the West at least, and let's be honest: most people who watched it as kids remember it being way cooler than it actually was.
>>150966729nigga i watched this shit in my mid 20's, the truth is there just aren't that many action cartoons with this level of animation, and the ones that have both good animation AND a good story are insanely rare.
>>150965204They're jagged blobs and not conductive to shapes for actual organisms
>>150967047>Not conductive to shapes of actual organismsWhat kind of criticism is this? They're cartoon characters, and the concept of teenaged ninja turtle mutants is not conductive to actual organisms by design
>>150966342>for intentionally trying to avoid doing what every other TMNT adaptation does.And that's why it sucked
>>150966732>females adore this show for whatever reasonThey made Leo sexy
>>150965727Animation can be used to create a lot of things, but if you want reality go with live action. Animation is incredible because it can stretch beyond what’s real and/or distort reality. Notice Leonardo Davinci, Van Gogh, and Jackson Pollock did take advantage of the unique properties of their medium (paint). The sfumato technique used for the Mona Lisa is unique to painters of the time. Other mediums were not capable of creating that sense of haze. Van Gogh eschewed realism in favor of creating a sense of movement in starry night, and Pollock specifically used the drip capabilities of paint as a primary component of his technique.
>>150967275> What kind of criticism is this?Anon is an autist who likely either prefers anime, family guy, or Thomas the Tank Engine.
>>150960270Awful style. Magic powers. None of the turtles are actually related until they retconned that IDW style. Splinter's a deadbeat loser. Blapril. They're all "the funny one". A lot of similar problems with Mutant Mayhem which is even uglier.
>>150966671>Rise was a light hearted comedy-action show first.The action was good, but the comedy was not. You get some cool new ideas like Foot Clan ninjas making a paper army, but then you get shit like Splinter being sick, and Donnie making stupid gadgets, and Splinter stealing a truck, and doing errands for that molerat guy, and the worm guy episodes, and multiple FNAF episodes.Truth is, they didn't know what they wanted to be and instead of locking in to one specific narrative or using the episodes they had to tell a strong, complete story, they fucked around and kept saying "we'll save the good ideas for later" until the show got cancelled.
>>150960281The designs lack tangibility and volume because there are so many concave lines. The front of their shells looks like cardboard.
>>150960270It would be a great show...if was the Battletoads
Honestly, just turning it I to 20 min eps and letting the characters breathe would have done wonders, it had great moments but just feels rushed. Also, I like d the addition of draxum and the inversion of shred and krang's threat oevels
>>150960270Good animation and.....thats it?The writing was atrocious and the comedy was bad.
