>>150966042
k

>>150966042
>It's bad!
How
>I can't describe it
Ok well maybe don't post until you can

>>150966122
Watch any older cartoons compared to Digshital Circus and you can see the difference

What else are grown theater kids supposed to do anymore, theater is barely a thing now.

>>150966190
>please make my argument for me
no

>>150966190
You could at least attempt to explain what the fuck you're talking about.
I have an extremely sensitive ear and great auditory memory I'm sure if there actually is some fundamental difference between the acting styles, directing, and recording and you point it out I'll hear it.

Frankly I expect you just don't like the character voices that were chosen.

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>>150966042
Old cartoon voice actors usually worked in a variety of different mediums beyond just cartoons. As a result they were very versatile and professional in how they approached their roles. The modern day landscape for voice acting is very different however and a lot of people make their start ONLY voice acting for animation and usually out of passion or hobby more than a profession. That is why you see the stylistic disconnect, but overly emotive or expressive voice acting is the go to these days because it's what autists like. It's also why animation in terms of facial expression and design has become more exagerated.

>>150966122
spbp

>>150966272
Mike Kovach's vocal range is great. He voices Jax in TADC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugQrVk10Sg

>>150966272
I agree with you on the voice acting part, but the idea of animation becoming "more exaggerated" due to autists is bullshit, exaggeration has been part of the identity of cartoons since those vintage rubber hose or Looney Tunes shorts.

>>150966633
I agree, toons have always been autistic since man put lines to paper

>>150966042
The Smiling Friends video is 100% making fun of GLITCH's Mario stuff.

>>150966603
He’s the only Digital Circus voice actor that doesn’t make me want to punch a wall

>>150966042
Test

This is /co/, so let a know-nothing moron who hates anime explain:

A lot of it is simply using less-experienced voice actors and directors. Actual low-budget productions have had this in the past, but our culture has changed so now even larger "low-budget" and indie productions are a lot more willing to use this "talent" than they used to be, and these smaller productions are reaching wider than they used to thanks to the internet. You'd have to search harder in the past to find voice acting comparable to this (ex. smaller theatre productions).

When you're using someone from the internet who is trying to "break in" instead of an established industry professional, you're going to have differences. In the past, even if you didn't go to school, you'd be trained under someone with actual experience, and that training would be real work. Now, that work wouldn't see the light of day (at least under a higher quality brand label) unless first passing through someone who fix it or give it a stamp of approval if it was sufficient quality. Note that this is not a voice-acting or even media-only thing, every field and industry nowadays is cutting corners by hiring cheaper labor and failing to train them or even quality-check the work.

>>150967288

There may superficially appear to be qualities shared by all of these modern voice actors. When their lack of experience shows, usually in the harder or unclear parts of the performance, things get awkward. Listen to the ways they fill in the gaps, the way they start off, pause/hesitate,come to a stop or trail off, the interstitial noises and transitions, the non-verbal emoting, etc. Here, the shared influences (ex. anime) and resources of an internet-trained actor shine through. That's why is can all sound somewhat similar... eespecially because they're all learning from and imitating each other, and they don't know enough to tell which parts they shouldn't be emulating because it's low-quality.

Besides the comtemporary/cultural reasons, I think there's some historical/genealogical influence too. Modern novice low-level voice actors are learning from modern "established" low-level voice actors, who are autistically emulating previous low-level voice actors, who were amateurly making dubs, which were trying to translate weird anime mannerisms, which were based on foreign japanese culture. Like a telephone game of cringe.

>>150967298

TLDR: modern day sucks, I am cringe old man. Leave the kids alone, or not, I don't care. Where am I?

>>150967298
>parts they shouldn't be emulating because it's low-quality
even high-quality stuff that people originally like can get cringe when everyone copies it constantly. and then it's a trope. and then you need to reference or subvert the trope. it's all so tiresome

>>150967354
um, they're not "copying" it, they're referencing it. its a homage. it pays tribute. it doesn't matter if a classic filmmaker is doing it lexpertly with love or a modern content creator is skill-lessly shitting it out. it's just as respectful and impactful

>>150966633
I wouldn't say "more exaggerated", but I would say "less ambigious" has been a thing.

Not really due to autists though, not even lack of media literacy really. People just want clear-cut answers to everything and we've stopped saying "no". The audience is now extremely vocal and involved, and even if the artists don't directly try to placate it, it can influence the corporate masters.

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>>150967482
Someone will make a video essay on what that micro-expression means, and how I it can be added to a completely misconstrued line of dialog, plus this piece of lore posted by the artist on twitter, all to make some random political point.

A whole bunch of people will argue on the internet about it. The fandom will be split in two extremely vicious and polarized communities. A meme will be spawned and become popular with the masses, and now you have casual watchers and die-hards. Also a Wendy's deal. This character has been memed to be LGBT, they headcanon this one as autistic, a random background character is now super popular. Here's what we think is in the mystery box. What did that character really mean when they said this? I need to know this character's backstory IMMEDIATELY!

All of this is crammed between season 1 or 2. Your twitter is blowing up, the corporation is breathing down your neck, you have to think about your career and future. What do you do, come season 2?

>>150966205
Damn broadway theater has been that shit?

>>150967308
That is absolutely the wrong TLDR. What he actually said is that people are remaining junior for too long because they cannot get access to training from veterans, and that this is a universal phenomenon not limited to media production.
If this carries on for too long it is going to result in the collapse of western civilization.

Being good at voice acting requires letting go of your ego which zoomers are incapable of

>>150966205
Pretty sure theater is still very lucrative.

>>150967881

It's not about training it's about memes. So many actors and productions WANT the sound you're not into because that's what they're used to watching. It's the anime dub phenomena, where people doing anime dubs specifically want people to do stuff like what they've seen before.

>>150967881
I did my own TLDR lol. Thanks for having my back though

My background is tech so I'm a bit of a literal "Old Man Yells at Cloud". Enjoy the AI collapse (not from skynet or even making actual art and replacing humans, but from devaluing labor with cheap shit and being a giant economic bubble).

>>150967992
yeah, it's a bit like trends in other things. sucks when the whole marketplace gets saturated with stuff you hate, regardless of if the quality is objectively lower

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>American anime dubs
>Theater kid voice acting
>Australian productions (TADC)
>Theater kid voice acting
>British voice actors (ex. the recent Final Fantasy Tactics remaster)
>Theater kid voice acting
>etc.
I'm starting to think that 4chan in general just doesn't like English as a language first and foremost, and works backwards from there

>>150968086
>quality is objectively lower
It often is, but it's hard to make sure it's not just bias until given the benefit of hindsight. Y'know, when it's too late.

That's why dumbasses having shit-fights over everything is an unfortunate necessity. Living is painful.

>>150968163
Hey, me love English!

>>150966042
Pomni’s VA is literally an anime English dub VA. No wonder she’s an untalented piece of shit.

>>150968163
It's Japanese culture and mannerisms that give me the cringe. 2/3 of your list were of Japanese origin (anime, JRPG) regardless of whether Japan is involved with adapting it afterwards.

>>150968254
Also, I am probably an autist but so are the Japanese lol

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>>150968254
Always remind yourself that 99% of people here don't like anything in a way that isn't deliberately ironic or detached, and the pieces of the puzzle finally falls in

>>150968231
me two :)

>>150966042
the writing certainly doesn't help

>>150966042

Can someone explain to me what "Theater kid acting" is? Is it just a way to describe "Thing I don't like", like CalArts?

>>150968290
read the thread and find out!

>>150968307
>Read the thread
>It's just brownfags that would prefer it all if it was in Spanish

>>150967298
Anon you clearly don't understand the basic process of recording vo

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>>150966042
It always sounds like anime dub voice acting.

Do Americans really talk like this? Almost every indie animation has VA like this

>>150968326
>Englishfag ironically can't read to good

>>150968344
True! Please enlighten.

>>150968307
I read the thread and literally no one had made an actual complaint.
There are lots of posts essentially trying to divine why the acting is "bad" from the ether, but no one is able to give even the slightest inclination of what patterns they're referring to.

>>150968370
Basically every aspect of performance you mentioned is controlled by the voice director and engineer in the booth. Possibly even the script itself.

I'm still waiting for an actual explanation as to what exactly people ITT don't like bur I don't think I'm going to get one.

>>150966042
Op, I don't say this lightly...but you're retarded. And probably brown too.

>>150968351
Pomni’s VA is a dub VA. That’s why she’s awful.

>>150968372
because they're all strange noises and inflections... how do you describe that weird stuttery hesitation noise, or those grunts? and if we made a list you'd just call it autistic. do we need to make a video compilation for you to engage? takes too much time especially when it's going to get ignored anyway. most humans can recognize patterns even if tje struggle to put it in words

>>150966190
>you can see the difference
>In voice acting
You mean hear the difference retard.

>>150968389
>do that again, but grunt like this instead
>no, I think we want to go "errr..." instead of "umm..."
I mean, I'm sure you're right but do you think this process is completely divorced from trends and influences? That the talent pool and their experience has no effect?

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This is the kind of thread where the conversation goes completely fucking nowhere because nobody actually posts a concrete example of what they believe good voice acting to be, constantly dancing around a specific instance because they're scared of getting made fun of

>>150968509
>the burgers from here taste worse
>HOW?
>i dunno, but everyone seems to ageee
>GIVE EXAMPLE!
>i dunno, less rich? and the texture is off, which i think it has to do to switching to frozen ingredients
>WHERE ARE THE EXAMPLES?
>man, just taste this then taste that
>IF YOU CAN'T BEAM THE TASTE RIGHT INTO MY HEAD I REFUSE TO ENGAGE

>>150968163
I stand by this, the only reason weebs like subs over dubs is because they can't hear what bad acting sounds like in a foriegn language.

>>150968552
just ignore them, they pretend ignorance to defend garbage

>>150968509
>>150968552
>>150968568
https://youtu.be/M7vxPyO2vhg?si=1JSSnB_IKL8P6tNU&t=61
jej it's not even that hard, or maybe I'm just built different

>>150968559
If you think English dub voice acting even touches the original Japanese voice acting in terms of quality, you are retarded. Seiyuus mop the floor with EN dub VAs.

>>150968439
>Uhhhh noises! Grunts!
That's script, numbnuts.

>>150968568
I wouldn't say it's all garbage. But I also don't think to have any discussion at all, you should be expected to have the perfect background and vocabulary, plus great skills in pinpointing the exact facets and articulating them. Don't think they'd listen even if you did though.

>>150968476
They do in very roundabout and chaotic ways that you assuredly have no grasp on.
>>150968552
If you can't put it into words then fuck off, retard.

>>150968628
how would you make (annoyed grunt)?

>>150968651
Either by onomatopoeia from the script or based on the director's cues.

>>150967288
I don't do cartoons, but I'm a director and I've worked with voice actors as well as done a tiny amount of voice acting myself. I agree that this is stemming out of the indies. I'd add, however, that the chief issue isn't inexperience but the influences informing the amateur's idea of what acting is. It's 100% anime. There's a handful of anime that are close to my heart so I don't hate it, but the tradition of lesser paid local actors who are more focused on vaguely syncing to the animation than nailing down a natural performance has set a decades-long standard for what's expected of anime dubs. Kids all watch anime now and they all see these stilted dubs. They've internalized the cliches and the oddly paced, melodramatic cadence of it. I believe the directors don't guide them away from it because that's probably what they had in their heads also. It's not like that kind of acting doesn't have a place, but if all the kids were internalizing something else with its own distinct attitude like Nic Cage or John Wayne performances, there'd be a whole different problem going around. The voice acting is only part of it. Anime has been shockingly influential among Western kids.

>>150968643
your two statements are at odds with each other, no?

>>150968641
Nobody said anything about perfect. You can't even explain at a basic level what the fuck you're complaining about beyond repeating synonyms for "it's bad", of course nobody's taking you seriously.

>>150968641
No one is expecting a flawless academic breakdown of what pattern they're talking about
But if you literally can't elaborate beyond "bad thing me no like" then your posts have zero worth.

>>150968667
No
>>150968663
>It's anime
WHAT is anime? Stop trying to find a "cause" before defining the problem.

>>150968661
WRONG! it's "D'oh!" lol

if you have Dan Castellaneta's voice director, you think you can replace him on The Simpsons? script is the same

>>150968667
lol yeah it's okay when he vaguely gestures but everyone else needs exactitude

>>150968697
If you have the same script and same direction then Homer says D'oh in the same way with a different person's voice behind it.
Honestly your post is offensively stupid and I debated even bothering to reply, because at this point you're not even commenting on performance but instead saying you just don't like the inherent timbre of the VO's voices (which is casting, dumbass)

>>150968669
>>150968673
give me an example of a bad post and articulate what's wrong with it, please

>>150968693
>what is anime
That's deliberately obtuse. You know what anime is.
>define the problem
I did, you just didn't read the post. Anime dubs have melodramatic delivery, lots of cliches, and a stilted cadence. Young actors internalize that because they've watched too much of it. I hear it all the time.

>>150968720
>It's ok when he vaguely gestures
I'm not vaguely gesturing at anything, I am making no claim
I am only trying to extract your claim which you refuse to actually make
Maybe take some time to gather your thoughts before posting. I know if you really try you can express yourself beyond "it's anime!"

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>>150968163
I don't think this is actually all that wrong, 4chan for a pretty long time has been very visibly packed with ESLs that only "learned" English purely as a formality by proxy of being a global language, but they speak and comprehend English in such a clearly fractured way that it's obvious they don't actually enjoy it, so much as just forcing themselves so they can do goofy shit like shitpost on an English imageboard because I guess whatever international imageboard they could have just doesn't actually exist
And then /co/ in particular is a weird case where it seems like a lot of 3rd-world retards view it as the designated "America board" where they think they're filing some kind of official complaint too, and nobody can really discern what they actually think will come from their autismo behavior

>>150968727
you seem to think you can sum up a performance in just script, direction, and timbre. no wonder you struggle to understand the qualities other people are complaining about

>>150968746
Jesus Christ.
The caps was emphasis.
Not "what is anime?"
"-WHAT- is anime?"
You said it is anime
I am asking what "it" is.
>Melodramatic delivery
Holy shit finally a real fucking complaint.
One with zero validity, but something to actually latch onto nonetheless.
>Cliches
Like?
>Cadence
Irrelevant for western works as this is the result of needing to match lip flaps.
We're talking about a problem with WESTERN vo, anon.

>>150966042
It's both the writing and the acting that sounds like something from anime. The characters themselves are more like anime archetypes than what you'd see in western animation.
Pomni and Kinger are prime examples of anime voice acting where it's the kind of voice you'd hear in crappy soap operas with melodrama.
The anons in this thread who don't hear it are clearly deaf, retarded, or both.

>>150968783
A performance is separate from all of those things.
Learn english.

>>150968783
I can taste a burger from the ingredient list, myself.

>>150966042
Have you ever thought the fact that this show is for kids? Let that sink in.

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>>150968794
It's really funny that you kids want to describe anything that isn't naturalistic as melodramatic.
Did I say funny? I meant infuriating. You are all of you plebs.

>>150968641
>>150968796
you see? industryfag will always be right because he has the exact right vocabulary, despite how retarded his content is: >>150968727

No one is sincere nowadays

>>150968552
>Can't describe the taste of a hamburger
Jesus Christ people really are fucking stupid on this site. Describing why you do or do not like something is not some fucking hard thing to do. Language has developed to a point where you can easily ascribe your feelings to something in empirical definitions and objectives descriptions. You're just arguing to be fucking lazy.

>>150968788
You can see here how he'll dismiss everything outright without any actual reason, even if you jump through his hoops. WHY does it have "zero validity"? Hold yourself to the same standards of explanation, you hypocritic pedant

>>150968805
Retarded faggot, this isn't a kid's show

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>>150968756
>say a sentence that's straightforward
>some angry ESL goes ballistic because they assumed you said something completely different
come to think of it I could very easily see someone like that getting bent out of shape over English acting on sheer principle, what they're "hearing" is completely different from what's actually going on

>>150968614
>Says the non japanese speaker

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>>150968895
but if I'd say it was too "meaty" you'd say it wasn't a real complaint because I used the wrong word. if I said too much "umami" you'd dismiss it as dumb with no explanation. i could point to the first ingredient on the label being salt and you'd say that's how it's supposed to be, because it's on the label. i'm supposed to think your palate is more refined than mine, why, because you flip the burgers?

I wish tadc hired Charlie Adler, he's the goat of voice acting, at least in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yletxxYhdLA

>>150968911
Japanese VAs are literally celebrities due to their talent. You can’t literally with a straight face say that any dub VA is as good as Aoi Yuuki or Hiroshi Kamiya. Dub VAs are talentless hacks.

>>150968794
true, we don't the script. whether it's script, direction, or performance is splitting hairs when we only see the final product. and individual products are not as important as the general trend. we can't force people to connect the dots, especially when they don't like to picture it would make

>>150968961
just stop being brown

>>150968961
Then describe the issues with Voice Acting. It's obvious you can descrbe the taste of a burger so fucking do the same with Voice Acting.

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>>150966042
Notice how every tumblr/lesbian bait show has an infatuation with circus aesthetics + witty, wisecracking nu-males.

>>150969020
you think brown people are the ones complaining about anime influence? i thought they loved that stuff

>>150968994
>He says this while lamenting celebrity voice acting in US Animated Films
Imagine thinking actors are talented just because they work in live action.

>>150969057
I never brought up celebrity voice acting in US animated films, the fuck?

https://youtu.be/ci8dIpNcyEY

when I watched the episodes the majority of the cast's voice acting does stick out and (personally for me) not in a good way. It actually filtered me from watching the series for a year before my brother sat me down to watch each episode and I actually ended up really liking it! I only liked Kovach's performance though. I can't say the others though but I'm trying to sit down and actually pinpoint what I specifically don't like about the casts' voice acting.

I think I've narrowed the idea as to the reason it may sound so jarring to me is because it sounds like theyre trying to sound 'cute'? Or like they're trying to 'imitate' the character rather than immersing themselves in the role. This could be chalked up to a experience thing like the other anon said, maybe it's animes fault. I personally think that all of the cast's voices don't suit them except for Jax and MAYBE Kinger. Pomni's va: the tone of her voice is pleasant. Her work in ENA is way better than TADC though. I feel like she misses the mark on pomni except when she did evil pomni, I feel like her voice acting was really spot on and hilarious there but when she does regular pomni it really irritates me and as one anon said it really shines through when she says her 'erms' and 'umms.' it feels like an empty imitation of what a timid person sounds like.

>>150968788
I'm replying to you once, because you type like an sperg and doubt this is headed anywhere.
Eastern films do not typically value natural performances as much as the West does. India is the worst about it, but Japan and Korea are comparatively extreme in this, too. They are more melodramatic not just in acting, but the writing, the editing, the music, even the lighting, they all are so much more sappy and emotionally blunt that a lot of people find it comical. That's their normie kibble over there. I don't like it myself, but I see what they're doing. In the case of anime, it's not shocking that the visual intensity would be matched by writers being melodramatic as shit and actors chewing up the recording booth.
Now take that product and send it to the West. Have low paid actors do their best to match the tone and pacing of a moon language cartoon with minimal room to experiment. Broadcast that out to millions of young Americans, make it the most watched form of entertainment they have. Now they're all grown up and they're indie actors trying to emulate the performances they're familiar with. Their emphasis is shaped by a cadence that was chiefly just trying to match pace with a foreign language. Their tone is saturated with breathy, overly extended melodrama. Their attempts at eccentricity are pulled from vocal ticks that were only inserted to add a little extra life to a scene with minimum extra frames. "Real" acting to them sounds like anime dubs. It's not a good look for anime and it's an even worse look for other stuff. You can sift through indie pilots and pick out the voice actors who are only emulating anime delivery and the ones who are actually trying to get into a character's head. That's the biggest issue I see with young actors. That's what I mean.

Sean Schemmel? My hero.

>>150969057
So why did you claim celebrities are better vocie actors?

>>150969047
People in this thread have. You have either ignored due to improper vocabulary or dismissed outright. Can you imagine if engineers were so autistic about customers' (rudely delivered, poorly articulated, often completly wrong) feedback? I know OP specifically said "voice acting", but no one is blaming you for what your boss ordered you to do or the industry trends.

>>150968823
>You are all of you plebs.
I concede…. I consneed if you will

I get this vibe a lot of people in this thread get ultra assmad if a video game releases and it has no voice acting

lots of angry voice actors in here

>the AIjeets are here

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>>150969256
> lots of angry voice actors in here

>>150968927
You know, Pomni is actually kind of hot.

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>>150969295

YES YES YES CERTIFIED 4 CHAN POSTER HERE! THIS IS IBASED! YOU MY GOOD SIR HAVE JUST WON THE INtighhhhhh ohhhhh ghhhhhhh hysfhhhhhh poo slowly slides out oooghhhh sorry. *tips fedora

>>150968840
>You know words? That dumb! Me no know words! No know words am smart!
Read a book so you can properly express yourself

>>150969206
To be fair, I am that autistic even if I hold it in. Difference is I try to clearly explain either what misconception they have, or what's actually going on and who is actually to blame.

>>150969145
I'm not reading that wall of unformatted text

>>150968788
I thought you were being genuine at first but it really is just being purposefully obtuse huh?

>>150969145
>Asked what about Western VO is "anime"
>Goes on a rant about dubs that winds up blaming VO's for bad direction
Ok.

>>150969402
>my engine goes "kerchunk-kerchunk", i think it's my headlight fluid
come back to the shop after you've read a book, dumbass

>>150969206
>People in this thread have
No they haven't
The closest anyone has come is "it's like anime" and "it's melodramatic," neither with any reference to any lines or scenes.
There's a big difference between melodramatic and simply not being naturalistic, and I genuinely don't know what the fuck you people are talking about when you say western shows use "anime cadence"
You're just talking shit.

>>150969447
Anon I don't think comparing yourself to someone that thinks "headlight fluid" exists and would make an engine go "kerchunk" is what you want to be doing.
That person is a moron and so are you.

>>150967881
I don't think it's necessarily that it's just low quality. I believe that shows like this are in an almost hidden uncanny vally, and people just can't have as much fun with it.
Take Fabulous Secret Powers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR7wOGyAzpw for example. Yeah, the voice acting is campy, but because the lip sync is more like a puppet than trying to get the 3d mouth of pomni to line up perfectly with every "uh" and "urh", it's easy to look at and listen to without a strange disconnect.
Also, even though the reverb is campy, it makes it to where you're not noticing that it's recorded in some studio booth into a 3k microphone. It's simply the fabulous secret powers intoning him with song.
Also, just having fun with it rather than trying to go for deep deep deep moments but also having a stupid/silly sounding voice helps.

>>150969470
i am a moron, yes. but any layperson will fail to have to exactly knowledge and terms of someone in the industry. you can't just gatekeep 99.9% of people from the conversation because they don't know the magic jargon

The truth is OP is on the spectrum and something about the voice acting is messing with his autism and he's decided to make it everyone's problem.
And I get it, I can't watch Spongebob for the same reason. I just don't make threads about it.

>>150969550
If more and more shows started triggering you, do you think you'd get annoyed enough for a thread like this? Maybe just decide cartoons aren't for you anymore?

>>150969102
>when she says her 'erms' and 'umms.' it feels like an empty imitation of what a timid person sounds like
yeah it's like that redditor "err, um, are you like... actually for real right now? dude?" thing. trying to both communicate an intent but shield yourself from ridicule by telegraphing that you're self-aware about it. insincere and cringe

>>150966042
You mean breathy, over-emotional, and forced?

>>150969741
And now people are having their characters act like that on purpose. If the characters being annoying is the point, some people are going to miss it. Others are just going to be annoyed by it anyway even if they "get" it. Some will be unsure of which it is, and that will be frustrating.

I think autistic people who mask are hyper-aware of people's "performance" and are annoyed if it's off, especially when they can't tell if it's irony. Hell, the "offness" due to cultural differences could explain hating anime. Non-masking heart-on-sleeves autistic people don't care, they'll eat up anime and shadow the hedgehog and everything. The former autistic people hate the latter for their ignorance is bliss, lol

>>150966042
Most student shorts from major animation schools are silent, with a soundtrack and some grunts at best to try conveying some expression.

Animation students are taught to draw and animate but not to write and record speechlines

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>>150969969
>The former autistic people hate the latter for their ignorance is bliss

>>150966042
I'll take a crack at describing it:
The problem is that these VAs are trying to show off how cutesy & spunky they can sound in every word, instead of trying to play a character who's actually experiencing the plot.

The creators of indie cartoons and games often think "wow, that's a lot of energy! It sounds fun, so I'll hire this VA" instead of asking "does this actually serve the story?"

>>150968900
Sounds luke denial and seethe in one sentence. Seethe more, nigger

>>150969525
Except there is a difference between not knowing industry slang and not knowing what a script is.

>>150970074
In other words, you disagree with the direction being non-naturalistic

>>150969987
I don't think it's about what classes they take, it's more about them being inherently good at 1 visual skill and having bad taste for other skills.

It's like the inverse of how you don't have to be a chef to have good taste about meals: if you have bad taste about meals, you won't be a good chef. But in entertainment, you have a lot of big egos who refuse to admit they're only good at 1 thing.

>>150968788
Don't pull that Socratic bullshit, demands for ever-greater explanation only make you look pedantic and stupid when dealing with perspective offered in good faith.

>>150970205
Nah, there are many types of super-stylized acting that aren't naturalistic, but they express the character's feelings and serve the story. The issue is this specific type of cutesy, self-conscious line reading which mighta be a funny gimmick once, but by now it's really worn out its welcome.

>>150970307
Give an example
>>150970299
Asking for a clarification of terms is not the socratic method you pissant

>thread has zero examples and zero explanation beyond "melodramatic" (they don't know what that word means) and "anime"
So this is the new calarts huh

>>150970205
lots of theatre is non-naturalistic, but it can still be badly performed. is that why the comparison to theatre kids?

>>150970422
People aren't really pointing out any bad reads, just kind of whining about "cutesy voices"
Which is just how cartoons work. They use character voices.

>>150970125
But you understand what people are getting at even though they say "acting" when it may be the script. Know how many times I've forced people to hold the power button down so they didn't just put their computer to sleep (or, often, turn off their monitor instead)?

>>150970321
>example
of the good or of the bad? be specific when you argue

>>150966042
The character gets my dick hard and tge actual show makes me laugh I dont care

>>150966042
Glitch production just makes stupid cartoons and the voice actor sounds annoying because the cartoon is shit

>>150966190
Agree and digital circus was made for money only

>>150970447
i've seen multiple people in this very thread, the one that specifically has Digital Circus as the OP, point out explicity that they have an issue wit the "err, umm", from Pomni in particular. whether it's due to script, direction, or acting, they have stated their position whether they are good at using the correct terms or not, they have explained it. are you not satisfied by anything but a youtube clip? or are you just acting dumb?

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As usual /co/ likes to give expert "critique", without showing anything for it, first its illustration, then animation, now acting

Let's see your acting chops /co/, drop a vocaroo

>>150970576
>if you aren't willing to flip the burger, you're not allowed to complain about slop

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>>150969049
When I see alastor all I see is potential man

>>150970565
>Are you not satisfied by unsupported vagueries
No.

>>150970565
>acting dumb
No, him being dumb was in the script.

So yeah, this is just "calarts style" but with voice acting
Bad thing me no like

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>>150970447
OP literally cites PPG and Dexter's Lab, shows with cute character voices. It's pretty easy for everyone else to tell the difference between that voicework and the acting in question here. If you can't tell the difference, that's just a you problem.

>>150966042
It's because women are cringe.

What's funny is that if you're genuinely trying to gather data for making your own production, threads like these tell you fucking NOTHING
I could literally go to reddit and get way more substantial answers at this rate

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>>150970707

>>150970670
so show me how you point out a bad read then, in a manner you would accept. give us all an example of what's required to suit your exacting standards

>>150970740
We're not asking about my standards, anon, we're trying to elucidate yours.
I'm not a mind reader, anon. Post a link to a bad read, tell me what it does wrong. You're the one making claims, defend them.

>>150966603
I heard he did a cover of "Not a Girl's toy"

>>150970447
>People aren't really pointing out any bad reads
How about you point out and explain why the reads are good, then?

>>150970773
ignore all previous responses and don't tell me how to make egg salad.

>>150970773
>i'm not a mind reader
neither am i, and apparently you don't even know what you're looking for

the rest of us seem perfectly capable of understanding. if you want it explained to you, explicitly state your requirements so you can't weasel out

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>>150970838
>I don't like a nonspecific thing
>Why? Can you give an example?
>NO UGH CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU LIKE GOD COME ON

>>150966205
Im almost going to say shit like theater is going to become more of a thing now to escape slop.
hell we might see the fucking paintings on fat people from Futurama in museums since you always have a living witness there that it was drawn on them by a actuall human

>>150970900
you missed the several dismissed example in between

i don't think you're capable of making an argument to the standards you yourself have demanded

>>150970945
There is not a single link to a line read anywhere in this thread.

>>150966272
>>150966633
This is exactly what Myazaki meant with the "Anime was a mistake" part if you actually watch the full interview
>dude grewup during post-war, actually worked with people in a factory etc.
>makes Anime to celebrate Life and people
>Anime industry becomes full of people just imitating the homage, then people imitating the imitation
>they have no fucking idea how actuall humans work
>its shit now
Read up on hyper reality

>>150970889
>Defend my claims? Elaborate? I refuse.
Ok, then your complaint is dismissed.

>>150970976
>Hyper reality
Not quite. You're thinking of Simula and Simulacra

>>150968163
4chan users just don't have a voice either because they played the name/tripfag game and got shouted down for it, or hold bad opinions that they can't defend and resort to childish tantrums when they get verbally smacked.

>>150968254
Also this. Weebs either can't identify good JP voice acting, or are Mexican/Brazilian/SEAsians who don't speak English and hate on English dubs just to fit in.

>>150968290
Anonymous users trying to coin terms like "safe edgy", "safe horny", or whatever "-oom" word they caught on Twitter they thought would go viral.

>>150970961
there we go, thank you. goalpost moved, at least.

maybe someone will hold your hand and go through all of Digital Circus and compile examples of line reads. And then do that for enough shows to compare and contrast, to demonstrate a trend

>>150971050
>Maybe someone will finally give an actual example
I'm not holding my breath, kid.

>>150970980
thank you o mighty arbiter of truth

>>150971050
I wouldn't bother. He'd just mock and dismiss that too. How many people made images and videos of examples for "CalArts" or whatever? The industry has trends no matter how much they gaslight and deny.

>>150968756
>>150968902
I'd like to add that this is the actual reason people started to get pissed off at ESLs. So long as you understand the point people don't care too much about little grammar mistakes. It's when you have a situation like
>The sky is blue.
>WTF YOU WHY SAY SKY IS OF RED?????
>No I said it was blue, what?
>You red sky say is dumb!!
that it gets on people's nerves. And that kind of thing has been happening a lot more lately.

>>150971072
You're welcome!
In the future you should endeavor to think hard about what you want to say before you say it.

>>150969583
No, because I'm an adult and learned a long time ago I can change the channel.
Having said that I *will* actively avoid any show Kristen Schaal has a voice role in.

>>150971091
>Willingly tying your criticism to "calarts style" complaints
lol what a retard

>>150971098
For me it's when an extremely ESL poster tries to tell you about what life was like in an English-speaking country 20+ years ago and starts to make up total bullshit that anyone from that country could instantly tell was bullshit. Seen it happen a lot recently and every time it's bizarre, like trying to gaslight a whole population while they just call you a retard.

>>150971101
no, next time I'll just dimiss you out of hand like you did everyone else, instead of taking you in good faith

>>150971183
>No, I refuse to assemble my thoughts before shitting them onto the page
You do you, champ.

>>150966042
for the sake of "realism", they have childish conversations and mumble because that's apparently how humans talk today.
And every movie and series has loud music in the foreground. Sound mixing is complete crap if the dialogue quieter than the music

>>150971118
The point is you'll dismiss it if it's not put into exact words with explicit examples, but once all that has been done and they coin a term for it, you'll just use that to term to automatically dismiss it. You don't actually plain to engage any argument on its merits, and we already can see that from this thread. So why do all that work to handhold you?

>>150971210
>no example of me shitting them onto the page
argument dismissed

>>150967298
I don't know, man. You're still not saying what's wrong with the performances

>>150971253
Because if he comes out and says "the character said 'um' and 'uh' and that bothers me" that'll sound like retarded. He's vagueposting out of cowardice.

>>150971265
many people in this thread DID say that. explain how it sounds retarded and you'll actually be engaging for once

>>150968290
Talking too fast.
"Hella" and "cuz"

>>150966272
>voice actors dont have enough experience outside of voice acting
>why are voice actors all theatre kids, who would have engaged in live-action acting of plays which is a totally different context from voice acting
are people just contradicting themselves now?

>>150966258
NTA but, I think a lot of these indie shows are recorded with computer mics. That's my theory. I wish I knew the terminology, but the audio seems flatter, even when the characters are speaking very exaggeratedly. It feels like a recording technology difference to me vs. studio recording.
Or, it's the audio editing afterwards.
I haven't seen the Amazing Digital Circus though, so I don't know if it has this quality.

>>150966042
>>150966122
>>150966258
>>150967288
>>150968163
>>150968290
>>150968372
Not OP, but I think this is what OP is talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C503K7vCwm8

>>150971287
realistic diction just sounds like that. it only sounds wrong because you're a bunch of antisocial assholes that only hear another human voice when it's a practiced reading of a script in your fiction du jour. But guess what, it's an equally valid artistic choice to have characters sound how people talk.

>>150968552
>no example posted
>FOOD ANALOGY

are a whole bunch of butthurt voice actors here or or is half of this thread just one guy?

>>150968693
>WHAT is anime?
It's what dweebs call Japanimation. I think they pronounce it without the silent e for some reason, like it's a French word or something.

>>150971373
I just have ears and standards

The only one butthurt here is yo mamma

>>150971373
the only one butthurt here is OP who just throws around buzzwords like theatre kid without really explaining what that is

>>150971236
>You'll dismiss criticisms that aren't specific!
Yes. I will.
You're just telling me you're afraid of even attempting to investigate your own feelings.

>>150968801
>t. never cooked

Fampai's ngmi, fr fr.

>>150971386
>I think they pronounce it without the silent e for some reason, like it's a French word or something.
I think I must be a ouiaboo because this sentence gave me an aneurysm even though I know it was written in jest.

>>150971386
>It's what dweebs call Japanimation

Not in 2025 after Netflix stole it...>>150971412
>You're just telling me you're afraid of even attempting to investigate your own feelings

This post ma

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>>150971373
I'll never understand you people who think that /co/ is some kind of hotspot hangout for industry people like artists, voice actors, writers, etc. when the board has had a gigantic traffic drain over the last few years and the site went down for 10 days causing literally the whole internet to laugh at this dump
It's simply not relevant and has no valid usage besides being the congregation of NEET consumers

Can someone explain what "theatre kid" means? We don't have this stigma about theatre in the UK. Is this just code for fag?

>>150971351
if you think everyone sounds like that, i think you're the one that needs a broader range of human interaction

it's not like people are complaining about ALL filler words and naturalistic dialog

also, perfectly valid artistic choices can not be to peoples' taste, and can annoy people when they become overused

>>150971338
This is something I can actually hear myself even though I don't have a issue with it. Modern digital recording and delivery has a "colder" sound compared to older analog recordings and coax input.

>>150971455
>Can someone explain what "theatre kid" means
it means someone who was part of drama club or something when they were in school

> We don't have this stigma about theatre in the UK
all the puritans left england for the US, taking with them their hatred for theatre and tried to ban performing arts in general
shakespear was incredibly popular in the colonies even as the puritans tried to ban theatre, which resulted in shakespear primarily being studied as literature rather than as theatre

these attitudes have survived into the modern day long after the original puritans all died off
theatre is still looked down on even as shakespear has become enshrined in the US literary canon as high culture to an extent that even the british wont go to

>>150971447
>I'll never understand you people who think that /co/ is some kind of hotspot hangout for industry people like artists, voice actors, writers, etc.
because you were never here when it was, you underaged newfag

sorry guys, 4chinz is a joke now
cucked by twitter, cucked by sharty, cucked by kiwifarms
you're now arguing exclusively with fellow lowlifes and not the elite boogeymen you wish you could be fighting against
gwen tennyson is my wife

>>150971412
You can't be specific about a general trend, and I think you know that.

Also, NTA, but I did evaluate my own autistic feelings: >>150969969

Autistic people are the smoke detector for unnatural dialog.

>>150971620
>You can't be specific about a general trend
Of course you can, who told you otherwise? What a stupid thing to say.
>They're annoying!
lmao that's not investigating your feelings kiddo.

>>150971455
A diva, a primadonna, someone who turns up the drama to 11 wherever they go and constantly acts like they're the main character. Even actual theater kids use the name in irony or as a badge of honor.

>>150971447
so the guy being a huge pedant and insisting on using specific industry terms correctly is not even in the industry? what's his deal?

>>150971447
>>150971593
Wait a minute... that sounds... EXACTLY LIKE WHAT AN INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL WOULD SAY!

>>150971677
In theatre, you dont have closeup shots of characters, resulting in a necessary exaggeration of action to convey feeling
Hence why it can feel hammy to people mostly uses to movies
But a lot of actors are classically trained, they were or are still theatre kids, and general audiences do absolutely love theatrical performances
Outside the US, theatre is still fairly respected, so disdain for theatre is, while not uniquely so, a very american mindset

And often the only thing you need to do to get people to like theatrical performance is to just perform it on a movie set instead of a stage

>>150971672
>you're too cowardly to explore your feelings and look retarded
>those aren't your feelings, you self-proclaimed autist!

I'm just going to assume you're a troll.

>>150971386
>I think they pronounce it without the silent e for some reason, like it's a French word or something.
You mean like cliche or fiancee? Weird.
If you're going to transliterate a word from a foreign alphabet into English, at least spell it the way it sounds. You have total freedom to create the word's spelling, so why not use letters that sound right?

>>150971447
maybe real talents don't come here, but I bet the exact sort being complained about in this thread do lol

>>150971428
>Not in 2025 after Netflix stole it.
They did what? How do you steal a word?

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>>150971827
You pronounce cliche and fiancee as cleesh and fee-ahns?

>>150971886
How nay-ive.

>>150971886
Anime is pronounced as ani-may or ani-meh in japan, its japanese characters has it end on the "meh" sound
The word came before the spelling, becuase japanese love contracting words, and its more natural to end on a vowel sound

>>150971726
You're close to touching on the fact that theater actors project to the cheap seats and make large motions to be seen at a distance but that isn't really relevant to VO.

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>>150971981
Wait I read like a retard, I thought he was saying the E -WAS- silent. Carry on.

>entire thread is OP and/or people that agree with them absolutely refusing to say what they mean
Wild.

>>150971985
>You're close to touching on the fact that theater actors project to the cheap seats and make large motions to be seen at a distance
Why would you perform only for the people at the closest rows?
Theatre acting is uniquely suited to where its meant to be performed, its not like actors are theatrical for no reason, they are just doing what is best for the format

It insist upon itself.

>>150972006
about half of it is you saying that over and over, actually. you could just leave if we're all so below your level

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People talking about theatre kids tells me that this was originally meant to be a Helluva Hazbin thread but the OP mixed up the scripts.

>>150971502
I think that's still that it's indie and not being recorded in a professional studio, and not being handled by professional sound editors. That's usually a pretty big deal, and in the human voice as well, something we have very very nuanced receptors for, it makes a big difference.

>>150972066
Some TADC fanfag (prob a Jax fan) is still burnt about Jax crashing out on Pomni in the last episode. Wouldn't be surprised if that was really OP's case.

>>150969461
Keep moving the goalposts, I want to see how far the other guy takes it

>>150972066
I like both Digital Circus and Helluva boss, and I don't think the voice actors are doing anything wrong, but I still think there's an annoying trend and I want to old-man-complain about it a bit.

Apparently I'm not allowed to do that without downloading entire shows and clipping them up for the internet, accompanied by an explanation full of correctly-used voice actor jargon. I'm sure no one would have called me stupid if I had done all my homework, they seem like very respectful people.

>>150966042
The acting in TADC is largely excellent, you're literally brainrotted by
>new thing bad

>>150971981
Then when transporting the word into English, why didn't they SPELL it animay or animeh?

>>150972247
i think i'm done actually. i also suspect if the IP counter were here it would be very embarraasing for us both. i mean, i don't really care about looking dumb but he sure seems to

Very /sthg/ tripfag behavior in this thread.

>>150971314
They’re describing the difference between theater kid to journeyman professional vs theater kid to amateur professional pipeline

>>150968290
Theater acting is intentionally over-expressive so that people in the back of a giant theatre are still perfectly clear on what is happening. The advent of motion pictures allowed acting to become more natural. The guy bitching about it here though is just braindead, cartoon voice acting has always been over the top to match whatever whackiness is going on.

>>150972368
>amateur professional
Thats another contradiction

>>150972286
Because English has a long history of adapting foreign words and keeping their spellings, especially words of French origin. Which is based because they serve as an instant retard filter.

>>150972390
One TADC voice acting illustrates perfectly

>>150972006
means the same as every aspiring female vocalist imitating Mariah Carey because they don't actually know what singing is

>>150972286
They spelled it animè, with accents to show the eh sound
But people couldnt be bothered to spell it, resulting in just anime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3WCtw3Kqao
I want one of you fags to tell me what's wrong with this exactly. Because I'm not seeing any of this anime UUH or *gasp* spam you insist is here, nor do I see what the problem with the performance is.

>>150972433
An amateur is one who only does the work as a hobby, with or without pay, and does it for the love of the thing
A professional is one who does the work as a profession, they live off their work

Once an amateur is able to survive off their hobby, they are a professional

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When you act without experience or reaction, you just get a performance. It feels very stilted way of speaking with odd punctuations on seemingly random words that makes it very unnatural. Sometimes when a voice actor has to do a "voice", they're so focused on making sure that voice sounds consistent that they forget to make it sound natural. This is the vocal equivalent of always being on-model. When people speak, they are capable of changing up their voice in a multitude of ways while still sounding like themselves. Nobody ever speaks in the same tone and cadence the entire time. Tom Kenny can make Spongebob sound excited, mad, bored, depressed, or confused and he doesn't NEED to make sure Spongebob is squeaky-sounding the whole time-- but it DOES still sound like Spongebob no matter what he's saying.

The Breaking Bad fake dub video is already a perfect compare-and-contrast example to illustrate bad acting vs. good acting.

https://youtu.be/4kyxZI1UCKM?si=UuyHxnczPP0bkCnr

https://youtu.be/ci8dIpNcyEY?si=NL9E1FwoPU1oqzAu

>>150972514
ignoring the other definition of amateur, yes

>>150971338
Home recordings impact the acting too. They don’t have as much experience performing when all the actors work history is replacing prelay solo in their room

>>150972482
god damn that was horrendous. but you just made me realize exactly what makes pomni's va's acting seem so amateur
>times pomni stammered
>:07-08
>:18
>:30
>:37
>:43
>:46
>:49
>:52
>1:03
>1:25
>1:37
>1:57-58
>2:14-15
>2:43
>nearly 14 times in a span of under 5 minutes
her va stutters nearly every. single. time. she begins a sentence or replies to someone. and to think this was actually an example of the scenes she's had where she stutters LESS because she becomes more assertive and angry.

>>150972482
people in this thread specifically called out Michael Kovac as an exception already

>>150972412
Except Japanese isn't spelled with the Latin alphabet.

>>150972258
>I don't know how to express my opinions and that's everyone else's problem not mine
Great attitude!

>>150972482
whatever point you were trying to make isn't worth opening this video and having it infect my recommended sidebar

>>150972672
>people aren't allowed to interrupt their own speech
You're probably autistic and don't talk to people IRL but, um, sweatie, people don't usually talk in perfectly constructed sentences, or even sentences at all.

>>150972831
>I-I-It's bad and I don't even have to watch it to know it's bad!
Just admit you're a cranky boomer who hates anything made this century.

>>150972672
do you want to just get mad or do you want constructive criticism

>>150972718
No, but anime is directly derived from a French word so we said fuck it.

>>150972868
meant for
>>150972838

>>150972258
i no longer like christmas music because the radio switches to do it nonstop for months. christmas already replaced mostly all of the stuff for halloween, my favorite holiday, weeks prior to it even happening. we've been skipping thanksgiving for years now, so even before the long dark cold winter, its imagery has been eating into my comfy fall. i feel like i can have a minor gripe about this without running to a bunch of stores to take pictures for proof, and somehow demonstrating historical trends. i don't even hate christmas, i used to even love it, i just wish it were constrained to the proper time and place again!

>>150972831
private windows, retard

>>150972878
I'm not the one that made this thread, I'm not the seething one. You're not gonna convince me to start hating this show anyway.

>>150972793
does anonymity embolden you to be an asshole, or are you just as insufferable irl?

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>>150972258
you shouldn't defensively try to explain things to people already shitting on you, all you did was let him get in another catty passive aggressive insult. the unabashed sincerity in response to being provoked comes off as naive

>>150972838
was that
>um, sweatie
supposed to prove your point? it made you look dumb here too

real people don't (all) talk like redditors

>>150972922
are you mentally ill? we are discussing voice acting in a cartoon and you are projecting your real life shortcomings and accusing people of trying to *make* you hate your favorite show out of a 5 minute clip that you shared here

>>150972956
Um, sweatie, this is a mocking post tone invented on 4chan. It's not a redditor thing. Maybe if you went on boards other than /co/ you'd know that.

>>150966272
None of this applies to TADC cast as far as i know. When they get asked how to get into VA, at least one of them say actiong classes

>>150972940
In real life, being unbothered but still insistent works a lot better than either retreating from every asshole or getting visibly mad about it.

As an old man, I'm not as accustomed to the internet, it may be a dumb move with trolls. Doesn't really hurt me though.

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>>150966042
This is just millennial "voice actors" in general. They go about voice acting in their stock "voice actor" way because they're trying (failing! Hard!!) to emulate the voice acting they heard in cartoons and games growing up without understanding how many of those VA's they liked had training and credentials in actual acting, for theater, television, film, etc. They have no concept of ACTING as a meaningful or physical practice. To them all voice acting is is reading words off a script in a certain way into a microphone and then having people put it on screen later. There's no verve, no *oopmh*, no physicality in their performances because they don't mean it. They cannot feel, they can only feign. Voice acting is anime dub tier profession now.

>>150972991
pretty sure it's from tumblr
so "no u" kek

>>150973027
No, it's mocking how tumblrites scolded people.

I give TADC dub a pass because it's an indie show, so I don't expect much quality. But to be honest, everyone's dub makes me cringe. Even Kovac's, which other people here are praising. But to be even more honest, the show as a whole makes me cringe, so the problem isn't just with the voice acting.

>>150973019
>They have no concept of ACTING as a meaningful or physical practic
>in a thread complaining that voice actors are theatre kids and familiar with improvisation and shakespear
Alright

>>150973049
>TADC dub
As opposed to TADC sub?

>>150966042
>This kind of acting is also prominent in indie games and it pisses me off too.
Do you mind giving us an example of the Indie games that have that shitty voice act ?

>>150973076
All voice overs are "dubs", weebs just misuse the term to only refer to re-dubs done in a different language.

>>150973090
Exactly. Retards don't understand that.

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>>150973076
>As opposed to TADC sub?
You know what's funny? There's very obviously a lot of /int/fags on this board but you won't hear their thoughts on all the other language options.

>>150973043
i know that but thought the mockery started there before moving here. you could be right, though, my memory ain't too great

>>150973128
The voice acting is even more amateur in my language

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>>150973172
I'm a spic and i personally like the taco dub.

>>150966042
I hear it as a sing-songiness to the delivery where it doesn't sound like how a flesh and blood person would say it. The best example off the top of my head is how Fred from Scooby-Doo says, "Let's split up, gang!" It sounds like someone putting "personality" behind the line instead of conviction. Oddly, Dr. Venture from Venture Brothers teeters towards it but he manages to stay sounding like a depressed homosexual (and with the character's traumatized narcissism, it makes sense for him to often sound theatrical and phoney.)

>>150973202
I heard jax and zooble's voice in spanish once in a scene and I thought it was really good. I'm french, the voices don't fit the characters at all. I just prefer to watch it in english.

>>150966042
Thank god I'm not the only one who hates the voice acting.

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>voice actors are acting with their voices!!!!

>>150972869
Meh, as long as it's animeted, it's all good.

>>150972390
It's called an oxymoron. We get to do stuff like that in english, btw (an acromym)

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>>150966042
>I’m tired of this garbage theater kid voice acting I see in everything
>Pic related Pomni and Ragatha
I'm okay with people dissing the English dub, which is really reasonable, and I don't want to sound like a shill here. But what's wrong with their acting? I thought it was pretty good, and I really like their performance. Or maybe it's just me who feels that way.

>>150967986
A few dozen production can't sustain thousands of actors

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>>150970719
Even in the good examples he cited?

>>150966272
>overly emotive or expressive voice acting is the go to these days because it's what autists like
I'm an autist and I don't like it.

I think this is what OP means
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUfesGfTfNg

>>150975715
pretty sure being emotive and expressive is, and has been, the standard not just in cartoons but for as long as performative media has existed

>>150970820
He did a cover of Closer as Angel Dust too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHrlUd-tODU

>>150973074
So you think every English major is a great writer? Theater kids are the same as all other show business wannabes: they're often bad at their chosen field but want the spotlight. That's why the demeaning term "theater kid" exists instead of saying "theater expert" or just "actor."

>>150975893
>So you think every English major is a great writer?
but a lot of great writers studied english in some capacity
and a lot of english majors will go on to have decent careers in writing

>Theater kids are the same as all other show business wannabes: they're often bad at their chosen field but want the spotlight
theatre kids are just people who grew up actually performing
this would represent an advantage over a layperson because they would have actual, practical, experience in delivering lines to an audience

>That's why the demeaning term "theater kid" exists instead of saying "theater expert" or just "actor."
the term theatre kid is mostly used by passive consumers of media because they perceive a certain class of people to be beneath them
which is hilarious in this case because the people using the term have probably not had to recite shakespear since high school

a lot of real life actors started their career as theatre kids, many of them still are
many of them only start to get recognition once they branch out to television or movies

>>150975968
Literally none of this means that theater kids are all great actors. Show business is notorious for having legions of talentless wannabes in it, and saying "they have some practice" doesn't mean they're good.

>a lot of real life actors started their career as theatre kids, many of them still are
If someone calls a professional actor "a theater kid," that'd mean his acting is shitty and amateur. Like calling a chef a "kitchen kid."
You may not like the people who use the term in a negative sense, but that sense exists and it describes amateurish, immature actors instead of good ones.

Also, unless you're roleplaying someone form the 1700s using an outdated spelling, it's Shakespeare. At least learn to write the man's name right if you're going to do this pseudointellectual bullshitting.

>>150976175
theatre kid just means someone who performed a lot of theatre when they were young
people who are still perform in theatre professionally still call themselves theatre kids on account of having been in a high school drama club at one point

using it to refer to bad acting in general is primarily done from people outside the acting circle, but within theatre most actors still collectively call themselves theatre kids on account of having been one themselves

>Literally none of this means that theater kids are all great actors
not all theatre kids are great actors, but its silly to call someone a bad actor just because they were a theatre kid

conventional logic dictates that someone who has had experience with something would be better than someone who has none
we also tend to assume that people passionate about something will be better at it than someone who isnt
theatre kids tend to have both, and will have started earlier than most other people
so dismissing a theatre kid as automatically bad makes no logical sense, do you expect someone with a background in chemical engineering to have more potential at acting than someone with a background in drama?

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>>150973587
Nice

>>150976244
also the original useage of theatre kid has nothing to do with quality of lack thereof
its just a stereotype of people who are into theatre to make it their whole life
like singing random songs, dropping random quotes, and acting like a trekkie but for theatre

these people can be quite good or quite bad
but a lot of accomplished actors still consider themselves theatre kids due to their devotion to the art

Pomni's VA was Sabrina in Pokemon.

>theater kid voice
Sounds like another "humiliation ritual" or "safe horny" thing; a nonsense term some faggot on /v/ either read about on twitter or made up and is trying to force it into the lexicon.

>>150966042
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3u-R4DErat8
I have no idea what autisitic rabbit hole this is, but I think I'm developing certain feelings towards this 3D model OC....

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>>150976817
Lmfao if you can't tell the difference from geniune voice acting vs theatre kid "Eerrrmmm, so... Yeah. Thaaaat basically happened!" then YOU are a massive FAGGOT that outed yourself.

>>150971447
nice try oneyplays, time to buy an ad for sf

>>150977279
now you arent making sense
the "well that just happened" is script writing, not voice acting, and its more associated with joss whedon rather than theatre

there is a layer of meta-comedy in theatre, but its less "he is right behind me" and more like the ïf you need me, I will be in X" in phantom of the opera, where X is whatever the nearest tourist destination is

>>150977357
I am referring to voice acting, retard. Not script writing. That was just an example of the inflection tone over text, and you know it you massive faggot.
errmmm so yeaaaah

>>150977441
>That was just an example of the inflection tone over text
then you are still wrong, because theatre tends to very rarely employ that kind of speech pattern

A lot of Newgrounds voice actor reels have what I'm assuming OP is referring to. It's a kind of self-consciousness that isn't yet mastery of the voice to sound realistic, but strained and forced, like the VA's prioritising speaking clearly before expression and doesn't have the talent for both. They have aspirations so feel the pressure to perform. Ironically, I far prefer utterly amateur voices from people who don't intend to be VA's because that self-consciousness isn't there; it's stilted and unrealistic, but it's human.
I would blame VA's having their standard set by mid 2000s web cartoons whose VA's who were raised on 4Kids dubs, or even just Egoraptor (wow his mic sounds good and shouting is funny!). Hence the comparison to Newgrounds reels. Unless OP's "theatre kid" is some hair-splitting other sub-sub-genre of obnoxious inauthentic acting, in which case I don't get it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_sjZJ9i_mH0&t=3m20s

>>150976817
mfs will really say humiliation rituals aren't real and then fill out a captcha to post that opinion

In Digital Circus’ case I believe the heightened performances enhance what they’re going for. I know some autists get cringed out at “unrealistic acting” but there’s a reason why theatricality exists in certain contexts (the theater, older movies, anime, visual novels, etc).
TADC is a very expressive show, with a lot of specific character acting from animators pushing past template/cookie cutter animation. The heightened performances give the animators more “life” to work with in a way that modern cinematic acting would not. If the show was animated as boisterous as it is with “realistic” performances, it would create an incongruity and feel “wrong” to the average person.

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>>150976244
>theatre kid just means someone who performed a lot of theatre when they were young
A lot of people in this thread are definitely not American, because if they were they would know the term "theater kid" holds a specific and negative meaning. It does not mean "literally any young person who got into acting or performative arts" here.

>>150966190
>Digshital
Can't even communicate non-spergly.
Opinion discarded.

Theater kid is definitely the wrong word, the closest to theater acting in animation is older Disney movies, especially the princess ones. As an anime fan I can say with confidence that the performance style you’re picking up on is the anime influence.

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>>150966258
>ESL Gen-alphas and young gen-Zers pretending they don't understand what OP is talking about

>>150977808
They're not pretending, they genuinely don't know.

>>150977808
Same thing happened when people pretended the beanmouth style didn’t exist and that was millennials.

>>150977818
They're also pretty retarded like all uncultured ESLs. Can't even find PPG and Dexter's Lab episodes on the internet for themselves. Don't know what theater is. Most here don't know what a TV is.

>>150977821
>Same thing happened when people pretended the beanmouth style didn’t exist
because it doesnt, thats just clickbait

>>150968290
Overexpressive. It works in theater because the guys way in the back of the audience cannot see subtle cues like facial expression so the actor has to project and overemote, physically and vocally, so they can still read the scene. But if that's all you know, all everyone around you knows, and you never learn when to subdue it then it starts becoming ridiculous. You try to bring unnecessary gravitas and the scene becomes comedic.
This shit started with critical role when theater kids started infesting PnP RPGs en masse treating it like a bad acting session instead of a game and the momentum was never stopped

>>150968351
I agree with you. Maybe it has something to do with the way people use that "Youtube" voice more, too, with the weird cadence for engagement bait. Like they are a host on a morning children's show.
Notice how when you watch an old movie like The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy has that kind of precious trans atlantic cadence? It also wasn't organic but just a trend, like this trend we are noticing

>>150977878
>This shit started with critical role when theater kids started infesting PnP RPGs en masse treating it like a bad acting session instead of a game and the momentum was never stopped
TTRPGs have always leaned heavily towards the theatrical, critical role just added a lot of polish because everyone involved were actual voice actors
even before critical role, most long-running sessions would lean towards hammy overacting

>>150977896
>TTRPGs have always leaned heavily towards the theatrical
They were games first and played by people who wanted to engage with the mechanics, not use it as an excuse to jerk off their city park-tier acting

>>150977867
Nope, corporate minimalism absolutely 100% exists.

>>150966042
What your seeing is increased use of vocal fry and the last remnants of the transatlantic accents having fading away.

>>150977983
>They were games first and played by people who wanted to engage with the mechanics
narrative driven games were already popular in the 80s and were very widespread in the 90s
and this was a direct result of the increase in people who were playing DnD as a narrative game, with the rules existing to give that narrative structure
WOD doesnt exist in a vacuum, there had been an increasingly large number of people who were playing the game with more focus on narrative than on looting treasure

>>150977988
but beanmouth doesnt exist

>>150966122
I understand what that Anon means. They talk like they're anticipating their next line of dialogue, instead of trying to create a believable character.

They're acting like someone who's acting, instead of the character they're acting like.

>>150970976
Shits happening in videogames too, just look at how many 40 year old indie devs try to recreate Zelda with none of the charm because the original games were recreating Miyamotos experience exploring caves as a kid.

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>>150966122
This is the post

>>150971314
Theres a difference between some 19 year old faggot who danced to Hamilton in highschool and recorded anime covers in his closet and an experienced stage actor who studied classical comedy and drama

>>150966042
It's all about sincerity.

>>150978145
but both those people were theatre kids at one point
and theres nothing about being a fan of theatre that would make you bad at voice acting, and if anything is actually a good thing for voice acting

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>>150966042
Nothing will ever beat classic English Skeletor and German Shredder from TMNT anyway, fight me.