City of Ghosts creatori Elizabeth Ito exposed the industry
>>150967068>Be me>SVA grad>Nobody i know from the school has been able to get an animation job>Walmart isn't even returning my callsShould I just rope?
>>150967068>You’ll not get anything like the first two images for a really long whileThis is objectively a good thing with how both of those all-time terrible shows led the industry to die in the first place and you cannot make an argument otherwise
>>150967074>We aren't trash, and we don't make trashDoubt.jpg
>>150967155>all-time terrible showsWrong , you fag
>>150967074>they just think audiences wont care about qualityI mean it is true that people dont give a fuck about animation quality based on some of the retarded shit I’ve heard on this board. That’s what happens when autistic writerfags outside the art field wanna be critics.
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>>150967155Adventure Time was kino, you uncultured bitch
>>150967168Tranny cope
>>150967179Nice chip on your shoulder
>>150967068>>150967074Maybe they shouldn't have made a decade of brown lesbian adventures until it tanked the whole industry.I'm sure all the affluent nepo babies that took over the animation industry will be just fine. They have daddy's money to fall back on anyway. Maybe they can go fuck up some other industry by making it overly political until they run out all the customers!
>>150967187That's what you are doing
>>150967136So when you were going there, how many people were telling you that art school is a complete waste of time, you are ruining your life, and it's the world's most useless degree?
>>150967202Nice projection
>>15096706819-24 year olds aren't getting streaming subscriptions because they don't have any money
>>150967068Sounds like the industry is effectively dead to me.
>>150967068>you’ll not get anything like the first two imagesNo more boy’s shows getting filled with lesbos and Steven Trannyverse? Cool
>>150967074Lol, and twice as much lmao
>>150967215>My chunky wholesome lesbinerino show!Keep malding tranny
>>150967068>too bad we aren’t getting anything like the first two images1 MILLION KEKS LMAO, all those cheap beanmouth Tumblr shows exist because of AT and SUs influence. If anyone’s gonna save animation it’s certainly not gonna be some beanshit artist making a Tumblr lore show we’ve already seen a million of.
>>150967201>they shouldn't have made a decade of brown lesbian adventuresName 100 examples
>>150967068This shit started with Flapjack, btw.The progenitor of all the trash of the industry You're welcome
>>150967068Is very funny how she omits Disney Channel beacuse they are the only ones still pumping cartoons but most of them are either episodic or IP-driven
>>150967171They have known since the mid 1950s that audiences will accept shittier quality animation and design as long as the writing is okay. That was UPA and Hanna Barbera's whole plan.Thing is, audiences will not accept the opposite. A fantastic looking movie/show with amazing visuals but a really shit story or almost no writing at all fails.
>>150967074>We aren't trash, and we don't make trashI respectfully disagree.
>>150967227Tell that to yourself
>>150967201Fantastic how they managed to fuck up the toy commercial shows, which could have kept funding the industry.
>>150967068>>150967074Hey isn't this the bitch that most of her social media is "Wah wah Netflix canceled my show"
>>150967068>Gen Z wants more animation and less sex onscreentough luck, i want less animation and more sex onscreen
>>150967068Except Adventure Time was the problem.We were getting Avatar, Ben 10, Young Justice, Thundercats....then Adventure Time convinced all the studios, CEOs, producers, and investors that a show can be the cheapest dogshit crayon doodles ever and bring it down to 11 minutes and it will make all the money!Then IMMEDIATELY we got nothing but noodle limb, bean mouth 11 minute, cheapest ever possible wacky toons for the rest of the decade. They turned shit into noodle arm 11 minute toons from the previous format.
Why does the industry think they only not have to try but not put out anything when anime and indie are fast gaining ground and shit like Kpop Demons are mega hits?Like I know executives are retarded without amy anwareness and still think it’s the 70s where kids only watch any slop put out there but someone had to tell them the financial and ratings realities right?
And nothing was lost
>>150967262I want more animation with sex onscreen
>>150967068>Elizabeth ItoOpinion discarded.>>150967260>isn't this the bitch that most of her social media is "Wah wah Netflix canceled my show"Yes. They come across as narcissistic.
>>150967294what about violence in movies and sex on tv
>>150967276Beanmouth is shit to me cause it represents being aggressively cutesy and sanitized, resulting in it being ugly as a result, it’s corporate minimalism embodied. I wish people would just make ugly shit that actually looks good, but we can’t have that in an executive controlled industry.
>>150967262I want more animation and more sex onscreen.
>>150967303>I flippin won 2 emmyspeople actually talk like this?
>>150967243>nnn...nnnno..oo. uKeep malding
>>150967249but toy commercial BAD, buy merch from glitch to support our show btw
>>150967213People will say this then be ok with kids chasing sports scholarships that are also dubious prospects.SVA isn't on the level of some local art school. It used to guarantee you some sort of job. The fact that it's harder to get a job even from bigger named schools is an issue.
>>150967068>and you'll not get anything like the first two images for a really long whileBASED
>>150967260>sees release date>released on the same day as The Falcon And The Winter Soldier on Disney+she should have seen it coming
>>150967348>then be ok with kids chasing sports scholarships that are also dubious prospects.I mean, a sports scholarship saves you money, you're "supposed" to use it to help pay for your actual education, and it saves you literally thousands of dollars.
>>150967303It looks more like she is seriously not handling not being special and in charge of anything anymore. She was more hooked on being super special and now that's gone.
>>150967238I kek everytime a beanmouth artist makes a statement to support animation.It’s funny cause when a cartoonist who actually knows their shit like Genndy or Antonucci states that cartoonists should be in control of cartoons, it comes across as "mean spirited", but when some beanmouth artists says shit like that it’s all of the sudden good in the eyes of many. They don’t care about cartoons as a medium, they just wanna use animation as an outlet to share their Tumblr stories, just like how comedians use animation as an outlet to make shitty sitcoms that look like Family Guy, they ain’t that different.Alex Hirsch also claims to support animation while shilling his beanmouth style, y’know, the style that corporate executives force onto shows.
>>150967333I'm surprised more people have not really taken notice of that or mentioned it. What is labeled the Calarts style really is corporate minimalist cost cutting so they can churn out something as quickly and cheaply as possible. Adventure Time in 2011 made as much revenue as Korra while costine about 1/5th as much to make so the suits at the top got to pocket the difference. This is why they mandated everything imitate Adventure Time, they wanted to pocket the excess revenue by spending as little on an episode as humanly possible.
>>150967348That sports degree can get you a good management gig at Foot Locker or Hibbet Sports!
>>150967424You can feel this guy is pissed about Seth Rogen handling Invincible, TMNT and Darkwing Duck
>>150967455Many people within the industry where pissed with Rogen's Darkwing only for him to do a 180 and redeem himself with The Boys, Invincible, TMNT and The Studio
>covid comes>plenty of animation industry work>animators go schizo with a sense of superiority, blacklisting people left and right for not liking their ass cheap shows>covid ends>mass firing>animation can't compete with videogames>come the gofundmes, the whining, the beggingCouldn't have happened to a worse group of people
>>150967500>animators go schizo with a sense of superiority, blacklisting people left and right for not liking their ass cheap showsthis never happened
>>150967528you have the memory of a fish, how convenient
>>150967136Go indie or try to get a gig on an indie project, it’s easier
>>150967280Yeah but even those guys are fucking stupid. Most of the business guy are either just as dumb as any executives and or their whole job is to justify the stupid take of the executives. Media companies are built on a system of incompetence with only now the cracks are showing.
>>150967455People even outside are annoyed at their lack of doing anything at DisneyIt has been half a decade since the reports of Seth Darkwing and not a single thing has even been officially announced. Around 3 years for Figment and nothing. Talespin went nowhere. Only thing that happened is their Muppets pilot (presented as a special so even Disney might not want to make it a series) and they only got announced as a distraction against Kimmel drama If they released stuff people would not be ticked. If TVA got Darkwing like they pitched it would have gotten 3x the episodes Sethwing will ever get in season 1 alone and be on season 2 now before 5 episodes of Sethwing even got announced
I'm told that the "modern audience" that cut their teeth on tumblr is very lucrative, maybe they should make more gay cartoons about fat lesbians and shipping and lame teenagers having a personal crisis about being gay or trans or whatever.
>>150967068The most recent show up there is Harley and Ivy, everything else is at least a decade old. We haven't had anything like those shows in so long, and it's been on your watch. Tough shit, should've done a better job.
>>150967223>implying boys ever gave a shit after moving on to anime over a decade agoYou're an oversensitive faggot that refuses to find better stuff
>>150967074>We don't make trash!You guys don't make anything interesting, either.
>>150967068>>150967262>>150967336The whole "Zoomers don't like romance and sex" meme is full of shit. The reason 20 somethings don't want to see that is because there's a loneliness problem for that age range and they don't want to be reminded that they don't have a significant other and still haven't lost their virginities yet.
>>150967068The animation industry will heal in no time if they only do adaptations. There is millions of material. They could make collabs with publishers, etcStudios should stop being obssess with animations being 100% originals.
>>150967614I genuinely can't tell if these are all from the same show or not.
>>150967068>>150967074I don't know what that is. But regardless, people like Ian & Sugar are why the industry thinks people don't care about quality. They dropped the bar & set it so low.
>>150967623Nibba seeing how many modern cartoons are preexisiting IP slop whilst original IPs all drop dead we should focus on making good original shit first.
>>150967618So why is it only the zoomies not having sex and romance? Are they retarded?
>>150967276Exactly. Action cartoons were killed by bean mouths & noodle arms.
>>150967640Zoomies are terminally online, which has ruined their opinion of the opposite gender and led to even more insane and retarded gender war bullshit.
>>150967397There’s also plenty of other scholarships out there that will help that aren’t sports and will actually have better job prospects than trying to get into one of only like 2000 major league positions in any given major sports league.
>>150967068Why would I want anything like any of those 4 shows? They all ended up being shit.
>>150967640Gen Z is the first generation to have grown up with the internet highly integrated into their lives from day 1, which has made them socially slightly retarded and makes forming meaningful in-person connections difficult, while they also view the internet as their primary if not exclusive source of entertainment so they see little reason to go outside to places where they can meet other people.
>>150967636I think anon means adapting more books or comics that haven't been adapted before, not just rehashing existing cartoons from the 80s and 90s.
>>150967554NTA, but it's not, unless you already have a modarate following (>20k in each social media).People forget that any liberal field is extremely competitive, like art. Social media gave a false sense of stability to these fields.
>>150967136If you are absolutely desperate for work, go on Fiverr or Upwork and do freelance storyboard gigs for cheap. Yes, you'll probably be doing three times as much work as the usual studio guy and will most likely be working on live-action or commercial stuff, but at least you'll be getting money and building up some kind of portfolio. You'll already need some kind of portfolio before doing this, so hopefully SVA prepared you so you don't need to spend more time making stuff up.
>>150967068>>150967074I get it. Even Craig McCracken has complained that he doesn't get work outside of previous IPs he created. Suits do not want to take risks anymore. I think Craig said he made over 10 pitches to Netflix before they agreed to do Kid Cosmic.
>>150967068WE ARE IN THIS HELLSCAPE BECAUSE OF THREE OF THOSE SHOWS
>>150967658Sure, but if you've got the sports scholarship, even if you never end up making it out of college sports you're still getting money from that scholarship that goes towards getting your actual degree.My point is, it's not comparable to going to art school, one is a major cost on your end that you will likely get nothing out of, while the other is a significant cost-saving measure on your end and you may actually get a useful degree out of it if you major in something decent, even if you never go pro in your sport.
>>150967636They are still originals for an existing IP. Remakes are lame, and the fatigue set in a long time ago.
>>150967703>making Looney Tunes calarts shitThis should warrant the death penalty
Man, I bet the people in charge of the Animation Guild are silently glad the general public blames brown lesbians as the reason why the industry is in such a rut and not because they massively fumbled the ball by issuing a strike when they had no leverage, causing studios to not greenlight any projects for the next couple of years.
>>150967629These were all from a wave of Cartoon Institute. I think the Royals was the only one to become a show, but even then it was just a series of shorts played between commercials. Iirc, the bottom right with the red people had the most going for it.
>>150967618I would argue even that's not the reason people want less sex on TVThe real reason is sex scenes and nudity in shows is pretty much always cringe and no one actually wants to watch it unless they're already jerking off
>>150967714>Sure, but if you've got the sports scholarship, even if you never end up making it out of college sports you're still getting money from that scholarship that goes towards getting your actual degree.In theory yesBut in truth many double down so hard in sports they want and end up fucking up any prospects outside of it because the scholarships are so competitive most would want to stay in that lane. And dubiously, many schools will let players slide in academics to keep them playing because college sports is a business. . Even players who made pro but couldn't last end up working dead end jobs because they focussed so hard on sports they weren't ready for anything else. The problem is most people associate art school with painting abstract portraits or something, and not commercial applications for art. A big name school like SVA isn't necessarily just letting students do whatever, most programs are aimed at applying art towards careers and making art that's actually marketable and workable. There's definitely students who do fail and ones , but by design a place like SVA, CalArts,RISD, Savannah, are not your Devry or Gibbs P2W local art school
>The industry is imploading and nothing is being made unless it's an IP that already exists in some form, and even then its shakey >"hurr, take that beanmouth" This fucking place I swear
>>150967800You know what they say you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
>>150967800>Industry doesn't make anything that a person is interested in and hasn't for years>Person does not care that said industry is dyingWhat's the problem?I get more out of indie cartoons than I do the industry these days.
>>150967766>studios not making MORE shows from brown lesbians is the real reason, not the poor brown lesbians themselvescheck out big brains over here.
>>150967800I'd rather have no animation than purely shit animation.
>>150967661nah
>>150967867Too bad we'll never find out if the market could've corrected itself by seeing what the next batch of cartoons higher-ups would've greenlit because the guild fucked it up for everyone.
>>150967341You are
>>150967068>"you'll not get anything like the first two images for a really long while">first two images: Adventure Time, Steven UniverseEhm... Oh no?
>>150967882Literally none of them have more good episodes than bad ones. Closest you'd get would be GF, and that still fails due to the completely fumble of season 2.
I think it's reasonable to say that>the industry giving less control to artists and sticking only to popular IPs and "safe" formulaic stories and falling into sloppy stagnation due to executive power is badAND>the industry is full of whiney Californians who all want to make the same exact type of shit and got their jobs through nepotism rather than talentAre both true. Hollywood is shit, but right now it's especially shit. It's full of out of touch, passionless, shithead executives as well as whiney artists who get upset that their extremely unmarketable idea about their identity depression didn't get greenlit.
Those shows are literally why kids don't care about cartoons now.
>Beanmouth is dead!Thank God, FINALLY.>All we had to do is kill the entire animation industry to do it rather than letting a new style emerge to replace it as the standardUh, guys? I don't think this is what I actually wanted. Which one of you dipshits asked the monkey's paw to get rid of beanmouth instead of asking the talking fish you saved?
>>150967644Every cartoon was killed for it. Even comedy toons were killed for the safe sterile bean toons.
>>150967303>won 2 emmys>The series got nominated for 3 Children's and Family Emmy Awards including Outstanding Animated Series at the 1st Children's and Family Emmy Awards and won 2 awards for Outstanding Directing for an Animated Program and Outstanding Animated Series.>"Children's and Family Emmy Awards"Why do I have the feeling this is some sort of participation trophy level emmy...
>>150967068>>150967074>the industry doesn't respect its audience's intelligence I assumed that much when they started putting gay shit everywhere and then got upset when I pointed it out
>>150967276This truly might be one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. All of the shows you listed either came out or had sequels which released after Adventure Time. Korra and Omniverse came out in 2012, Thundercats came out in 2011 and Young Justice the same year. And before you try to claim those shows downfall somehow was rooted in AT, no it wasn't. Omniverse had 8 seasons, Korra got canned because general mismanagement but still got 52 episodes, and Young Justice came back twice, with the most recent revival happening in 2022. The only one who really got screwed was Thundercats but that's not because Le Calarts it's because Chima: The Lion, the lego cartoon, was cheaper and CN screwed them over.Claiming that this is all AT is fucking stupid, it doesn't even make sense. We were still getting action cartoons till the mid 2010s by the time AT was already in a slump. By this logic all the cartoons we were getting in the early 2010s wouldn't have existed.Also western cartoons have traditionally been in the 11 minute format, what the fuck are you talking about.
>>150967766Kids not caring about cartoons designed for young adults, and the industry getting it's bluff called, can be simultaneous issues.
>>150967807>>150967859>>150967868It's cutting the nose to spite the face.Do you honestly think any good is going to come out of execs refusing to greenlit literally original now? Do you think that's going to get what we want instead of just further ruining whats already there?
>>150967784The smart ones use their free ride to land a decent degree and float right to a reasonable job.The stupid ones take the gamble and try to triple down on the sport to see if they can go pro, but usually fizzle out for not being good enough or eventually injure something and fall off after graduation and the best they can do is work a supervisor role in target. Thing is, most of them are pretty stupid, and the possibility of going pro and being rich and famous really fucks with their judgment.
>>150968021>It's cutting the nose to spite the face.It's not, because it's not my face anymore.You REALLY don't seem to understand the issue.
>>150968021>I know you've got shit on your face right now, but would it really be better to wipe it off, and not have anything on your face at all?I don't care if what's currently there gets ruined, because what's currently there is worse than nothing being there.
>>150967800If they want people to watch their original IPs than maybe they shouldn’t make them beanslop in the first place. Elio got tons of backlash from normalfags for being beanmouth and it genuinely seems like tons of people avoided the film because of that.
>>150967640>So why is it only the zoomies not having sex and romance?Birth rates have been going down in 1st world countries for a while and zoomers in 3rd world countries, especially african countries, still have sex.
>>150967784You're missing the cultural viewpoint too.>Sports are cool, popular and the big amazing winner chads do it! Everyone in their family and around town supports them as the hometown hero making it big and everyone is proud!>Art is wimpy liberal shit for freaks and hippies and Art School is a huge waste of time for losers with no skills so they can go paint paintings of flowers or some other gay shit. Their families are embarrassed of it, everyone nonstop tells them they are going to never find a job and starve. Americans love an athlete, and hate an artist. And they will pile on the sterotypes as much as possible. Barely anyone in the US understand that there is a career aspect to art or that it means anything more than painting shit 19th century style.
>>150968008Kys aifag
>>150967975I think the issue might be when the whole industry turned their entire output into beanmouth. When 100% of the media is beanmouth, and beanmouth dies, that kind of translates to everything dies.
>>150968015I think you proved that anon's point by pointing out what they also said, cheaper shows ended the more expensive ones. Rest of the decade was championed by cheaper shows.
>>150967336>if I do not fuck the inhuman monster man, he will kill us eventually, gotta show him the pussy game is strongPerhaps the most realistic female character in Eastern media
>>150968021>Do you think that's going to get what we want instead of just further ruining whats already there?I am certain I will not be getting what I want regardless of the projects being grenelit or not. Look at that fucking opening post, it talks about people who produced utter fucking shit like OK KO as if they were artists with voices worth hearing. There is no reason to bemoan the current state of things when the alternative is... simply more shit.
>>150967333>top is cartoonist cartoons>bottom is writers cartoons
>>150967068>City of Ghosts creator Elizabeth Itoliterally who
>>150967068>Gen Z ... want LESS sexAlways hear this shit since the Opening of Family Guy but the only examples of literal porn in Hollywood are The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and that scene of Peacemaker.
>>150968126Primos is a cartoonist cartoon too, the cartoonists making it are simply unfunny and bad.
>>150967236That's why shit like Jetsons & Flintstones is still more watchable today then 90% of new shows
>>150967236>A fantastic looking movie/show with amazing visuals but a really shit story or almost no writing at all fails.We just got a Mario movie that was utter fucking shit in every way except the visuals that made bank though.
>>150967068>>150967074>>150967303One anon said that City of Ghosts was a “globohomo” cartoon. What does that mean?
>>150967868I'd rather have good writing, sadly that's also in short demand which is why everything sucks because both the writing & animation are shit. Doesn't help the target audience for western animation is 30+ childless lesbian cat owners
>>150967074But Steven Universe is trash, and yes, these animators are trash.Its weird that any well liked AI reel isnt californian beanmouth slop, but actually detailed old school animation. As if people dont want beanmouth shit, as if they actually want respect for the craft.AI really expose these artists when the audience prefers crude imitations of good classic animation than "professional beanmouth calarts shit".
>>150968074>and hate an artistOh yes, they sure hate pop and rockstars. They sure hate famous actors. They sure hate blablabla.Just admit no one wants to buy your shit, because its shit.
>>150968065Africa and Central Asia are basically the only places on Earth where they still have sex, some countries have seen their birth rates crater in just the last few years. Mexico's birth rate fell below America's a couple of years ago, Chile's is on-par with China now, India's below replacement, Turkey's is lower than most of Europe, etc. And even Africa and Central Asia are seeing a pretty rapid drop recently.
There’s only ONE man who can save animation…
>>150968388>Oh yes, they sure hate pop and rockstars. They sure hate famous actors. They sure hate blablabla.Retarded post. They love the already famous stars, but they absolute loath the smaller artists who are called bums and loser dreamers.
>>150968074>Americans love an athlete, and hate an artist.This might be the most retarded thing I've ever read.Americans don't hate artists, Americans hate the output of the people who currently make up the arts in America because what they make is ass.
>>150967068>You’ll not get anything like the first two images for a really long while
>>150967347Glitch wasn't the one peddling that toy commercials are bad. That shit had been peddled by retards for years prior to them even doing parodies.
>>150967074>We don't make trash!
>>150967068>>150967074Why does streaming seemingly hate animation? I cant understand why it didnt make he jump from cable to streaming like it was meant too
>>150967068>New Avatar show was announced>It's about ANOTHER brown girl and her gay older brother figure.I don't care what happens to this industry at this point. They just never learn and never will.
>>150968105No, I didn't. Anon's dumbass claim is based on the notion that Adventure Time killed action cartoons, but it didn’t. If you’re going to blame any series, at least blame the one that actually tangibly affected things and had real copycats. People bitch and moan about Adventure Time and its "copycats," but it really didn’t have that many, nor were the actual copycats significant at all. What do you think The Legend of Lucky Pie killed western animation? What, are you stupid? If you going to blame any show how about you at least blame Teen Titan Go, you know, the show with actual copycats, which CN focused on us over action shows. Oh, but no, that actually has some basis in reality. We have to whine like bitches, devoid of the actual facts, because anon watched a video when he was 15 that called Adventure Time "woke" and now must yell about CalArts in any thread he sees cause he can't think for himself.
>>150968074No I get the cultural reasons why. Just saying it's largely due to perception of art education as just painting random bullshit and not stuff like doing storyboards or marketing. Most average people aren't familiar with practical applications to art, but they understand sports.
>>150968388>>150968406People don't think of actors or musicians as "artists", they think of them as celebrities(if they're famous enough). Most people consider artists as just people who paint and draw things, usually things to express themselves first and not art as a commercial prospect.
>>150967171Look at things like K-Pop Demon Hunters or FrierenIn today's world a work stands head and shoulders above its peers in recognition so long as it doesn't have any glaring flawsAbove average is cause for accolades now
>>150967185For two seasons. Then it veered off into masturbatory homo trash and south California nep baby therapy session bullshit. Why didnt anyoner tell them they aren't interesting and no one cares about their boring lives?
>>150969032>is cause for accolades now>nowThat has been a thing since at least the late 00s.
>>150967068>we won't get another SU and AT anytime soon!>meanwhile the last few years indie several shows that are heavily creator-driven made mad bucks despite not being based on a previous IP
>>150967766>>150967800You two are morons. It imploded to begin with because the calarts shit. Kids don't care about or want gay romance in their cartoons.
>>15096721719-24 year olds also habe access to free streaming abd they definitely aren't watching the pathetic therapy sessions of south California losers. >>150967618Because sex in modern media is handled by southern California creeps its always sleezy and inhuman. Or some type of gay/trans propaganda abd they are media savvy enough to see it.
>>150967249For some reason toy commercial shows are morally wrong. No one can accurate;y explain why that is though.
>>150968388>Oh yes, they sure hate pop and rockstars.Yes...they do. Everyone older than the generation of that musician hats them with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. Always has too. ..what the fuck planet are you from anyway?
>>150967665Gen Z is still suffering from the psychological scars of 2020. Are you sitting me?Their still scared.
>>150967136We're in a recession, nobody is hiring, for anything.
>>150968405>>150968966>>150969218>Uhh..err...uhh...they don't because...they just Don't okay!!!Always fun to out a retarded samefag as retarded.
>>150967185anything good the show had going for it died with Fire and Ice
>>150968944Oh you have no idea how many times I have tried and failed to describe what a Story Artist is and does. For some reason most people just cannot get it. It's always the same old>Wait...so you make the cartoon....BEFORE you make the cartoon? Why not just make the cartoon the first time and save a lot of money?And they cannot grasp testing to see if a shot works etc.I once had to explain the job to a "CEO" of a tiny game dev startup company. And he simply could not understand it either. He had the exact same mindset of >Just make it the first time and don't waste money on seeing if it works or testingI cannot find their game anywhere either. Weird how it was never completed.
>>150969286I just gave up on it around the comet episodes. Damn show was fun but it turned into weird existential shit for the sake of adding in weird existential shit.
>>150967303I see the OP less as their opinion and more the reporting on something anyone who has been paying attention is already aware of. CN is shifting to Kindergardner programming and dumping anything older than that into Adult Swim.
>>150968398Based. He saved animation before, he can save it again.
>>150969209Because capitalism bad.Their gay race communism couldn't sell enough toys to kids anyway.
>>150967074They ruined Adventure Time and produce regurgitated slop. Its no wonder it declined.
>>150967618Live action netflix drama is dogshit cringe. Anime is in with lots of boobs.
>>150967665You have videos of women posting "icks" for shit like breathing, using Only fans and being posted and humiliated online for being weird, It rotted their brains into thinking its the average female encounter.
>>150969357It's all live action YA novels for 8th grade girls.
>>150968164What?
>>150968074Fame and white collars are respected. Blue-collar work is hated. They are considered dirt by modern American mediaBut the most beautiful flowers and all life comes from dirt.
>>150967629Majority of these were people who worked on regular show, hence the similarities. The Royals on the mid right became a mini series, and that was it.
>>150967136Animate weird porn and rake in cash.
>>150969239Anon most people think artists are weird and obnoxious and bizarre. there's a reason "fan" as a term comes from fanatic.
>>150967171The idea that "high quality animation is overrated and all that matters is the script" is the literal executive mindset that gives us shit like this.
>>150969482Well two of those are the same exact artist and showrunner, so the fact that you couldn't actually find 6 different shows like that is telling.
>>150969413>Blue-collar work is hated.Not really. There's a whole segment of marketing aimed at targeting blue collar workers and promoting them as salt of the earth hard working types.
>>150967348>People will say this then be ok with kids chasing sports scholarships that are also dubious prospects.Well with NIL you can actually make good money in college even if you never go pro
>>150969513Their selling to them not respecting them.What was the last piece of media you've seen that had a man or woman that did blue collar work.It was seen as respected?Their always painted as losers or bullies.
>>150967336I just think it always looks cringe and lame as fuck. It never meaningfully services the plot, I never walk away with any kind of opinion or novel perspective based on the depiction. It just feels like a waste of time.99% of the time a fade to black, cut away, or analogy works better anyway.
>>150969482inside job was alright though
>>150967201Thank WiA for this
>>150967201>Maybe they shouldn't have made a decade of brown lesbian adventures until it tanked the whole industry.The industry was already showing weakness and producing garbage before any of those shows appeared.Adventure Time was called a savior of animation when it first came out because we had already been in a multi year dark age before hand.The cartoon lineup from 05-10 was dogshit on TV if you were old enough to remember it.
>>150969530That's a fraction of people who attempt a career in sports though, and pro is a fraction of that. Making good money even as a pro isn't even a lifetime prospect, so some money in college is hardly secure. There's people who wash out of the NFL and end up working construction because that's about what they can muster in terms of skill
>>150969490Anon just cause it isn’t the best image doesn’t change the fact that most modern adult cartoons are cancer and look like cheap garbage
>>150967074>>150967068maybe you mfers shouldn't have run adventure time to the ground by pandering to fat tumblr landwhales instead of the key demo.
>>150969532Landman and Yellowstone have bluecollar workers portrayed fairly positively.Meanwhile white collar workers are often portrayed with a ton of issues in media, both for comedy and drama.
>>150969600Most people never really see that even going pro is a very short term thing for majority of them. Lots of those guys burn out after about three years. That still leaves a 20 something with few prospects, but not a totally broke one. Someone who played even a year or two of NFL can typically get some kind of decent job by fans who want a real player on their workforce so they can use the name. Like car dealerships etc.
>>150969600Better then going tens of thousands into dent, graduating eith a useless degree band 4+ year empty work history, and having people not even read the resume after seeing that youreva recent college grad and from what school you graduated.
>>150969287They don’t get aspect of it being iterative; they think of the process more of a science than an art, if that makes sense, get it right the first time.
>>150969482>and all that matters is the scripti wish.the scripts aren't even good
>>150969595>05-10 was dog shitPure millennial dribble.
>>150967068This moron doesn't realize she's fucked no matter what.>you pay for streaming serviceThey continue to give you cheap crap.>you cancel your subscruptionThey take this to mean nobody wants to see animation anymore, no more animation ever.
>>150967068This is the fault of Hollywood animation industry gate keeping people out for YEARS! Now since the professionals are down in the dumps, they now want jobs in the indie animation scene. It's so fucking ironic to see this happen.
>>150967068>>150967074Is she related to Willie Ito? Because thats the only way people are going to care about her.
>>150967136You should stop lapping
>>150968611>gay older brother figure.That ended up getting rejected after the test market shat all over it.
>>150967068>you'll not get anything like the first two imagesUnironically good. Both of those shows are overhyped trash that have been net negative on fandom culture and animation as a whole.
>>150969116Kids don’t care about animation because they enjoy all their media off of YouTube They’ll only go to a streaming service when a show becomes a meme even if its not for them like squid gameStreaming is a zero sum game and gives studios far to much data to understand what does well and what doesn’t Animation is pretty high risk since its both expensive and doesn’t do far much better than cheaper live action shows Studios get that data to know what a risk it is to do animation even if some animated shows can become huge successes. Studios hate taking risks
>>150969600Construction is a skillA couple years in the apprenticeship program/trade school earns a respectable living and construction always needs to get done You won't make the potential millions a professional sports career may have netted you, sure but whatever
>>150969743You should actually watch what kids are watching on YouTube. Skibb8dy toilet, scary cartoons, tom and Jerry, Betty boop, Minecraft let's plays abd ribloxs where everyone us happy and playing family. Now look at the shit in the op. Its arrested development nonsense where they try to make chikd friendly stuff "mature" by adding stupid bulkshit even adults dont want. Most tweens grow out of the "Happy tree friends" phase pretty quickly.
>>150969743MeTV Toons will like to have a word with you.>Squid Game.They avoid Korean knock offs and always go to the Japanese originals which in this case it's Splatoon.Also Disney+.
>>150969622> one. Someone who played even a year or two of NFL can typically get some kind of decent job by fans who want a real player on their workforce so they can use the name. Like car dealerships etc.Lmao, that’s exactly what I mean though.Yes you can make a great living as a car salesman. But if you aimed for a career in something else and ended up working car sales, most people would see that career trajectory as failing. But no one ever associates sports with that like they do commercial art.
>>150967424This faggot draws pinups in his shitty artstyle btw
>>150969772>You won't make the potential millions a professional sports career may have netted you, sure but whateverYeah but that's what they are doing. They are chasing the dream to become a rich celebrity. It's another version of the garage band hoping to make it big some day and become famous rock stars, or someone moving to LA hoping their acting career takes off with the next big break. Overwhelming majority of the dream chasers never make it, half of the ones that kinda do still burn out. Only a few really successfully make it.
>>150969743Kids are all watching Demon Slayer
>>150969789Kys famicom
>>150969784You're way off.Skibb8dy toilet is FAR too violent for kids, we been through this before.They don't watch scary cartoons, only funny ones.Yes to Tom and Jerry and Betty Boop but only thr pre-code ones for the later, they also watch Looney Tunes, Droopy, Woody Woodpecker and Popeye as well.They don't watch any form of lets plays, they watch structed and scripted content suck as Game Sack, LGR, My Life In Gaming and The 8-Bit Guy.There was never been a tween that has ever touched Happy Tree Friends, thats strictly adults only due to it's content.
Unless you can study for free or you are rich and can live comfortably, I don't think animation is not a major to study right now.
>>150969823No, Demon Slayer is far too violent for kids, if they're watching anime that is on going to this very day it's stuff like Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan.
>>150967333Ugly is ugly. All the bottom may be trash, but Daria was better then the innane Bevis and Butthead, and Ren and Stimpy was simply bad.
>>150969836>>150969850The only time in my life I watched HTF was in the fourth and fifth gradeWhat's with this out of touch character roleplay you're doing?
>>150967136Bit the bullet and start animating porn, start going indie, every single millennial creator talked about how much of a shit fling it was to try and get jobs by networking in 2013, the industry had already begun dying by then.>>150967068One more thing, when zoomers say they want more animation they mean anime.Serious action cartoons were killed and then no one knew how to revive them, so until then expect no industry revival.The animation industry finally got its wish, an adult market, but no way to capitalize on it because all they know is woke kids cartoons.Which is fine, I'm not going to bother arguing that it shouldn't be done, that it was deserved, blah blah, but if you specialize in that, expect an inability to actually do anything for the industry.
>>150969836Famitard, children love brainrot content, it’s true that many watch timeless cartoons like Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes but there’s a reason brainrot toddlerslop is associated with toddlers. Violence also never stops kids from watching something, retard, I should know cause I had a Happy Tree Friends phase during my tween years dumbfuck.
>>150969874Grow a pair, not all cartoons are gonna sunshine and rainbows fag
>>150969850Get it right dumbass, if children aren’t watching Demon Slayer they’re gonna be watching some normie anime like One Piece, Naruto, or Dragon Ball rather than the obscure shit you mentioned.
>>150969876>Spotted the Troll.Why do you lie like this?>>150969874Not true, Beavis and Butthead is light years better then Daria and Ren and Stimpy is a masterpiece.>>150969884No, they don't, they want to learn but they want to learn in a fun way which most teachers fail to understand, it's why Game Sack, LGR, My Live In Gaming and The 8-Bit Guy took off the way they did.Also, please stop lying, you never touched Happy Tree Friends in your tween years.
>>150969959Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan are mainstream and normie as fuck, you want obscure shit, try Tomcat's Big Adventure.
>>150969836Skibbidy toilet is in the toy section at walmart. It's audience are little boys. The "people"are trying to insert thier shit into it but it's mostly kept to a minimum from what I watchedScary cartoons tend to have a moral attached. Remember when they had fairy tales telling children to beware things and how...certain people...said that was evil and wrong? Yeah. okayThey watch lets plays of cartoons and yes scripted stuff like...stampy long nose and the over the top SML and it's mostly inapropriate but good natured and moral story telling for the tweens. Better then the terrible usa skinnimax crap I was watching at their age. Anon, happy tree friends and stuff of the type...LIKE COMIC BOOKS were the things we consumed at that age. That's kind of how Image comics got so big so fast. That and the (inorganic lets be real)comic speculator market.It's going to happen. >>150969884Kids ditch "brainrot" crap in a second if they can get a nice story and likeable characters and pleasing visuals. Sad california types using cartoons as a therapy session/shilling lgbtqa is not it. >>150969972If you said something like chi's sweet home and bakugan I would understand. But you're just saying random shit now.
>>150970019>bakuganVery dead. Don't mention that cancer that came after it wearing its name.
>>150967068>>150967074Judging from reactions to any negative criticism of recent reboots (King of the Hill, Phineas and Ferb) the executives are 100% right that nobody cares about quality as long as they can get their recognizable franchises
>>150967074>They just think audiences won't care about the quality, they just think people will be ok having trans instead of actual creative work.
>>150967068>"Boohoo the crimes against culture that killed the industry aren't coming back any time soon!"Good. ALL HAIL SPACE KING!
>>150970019Don’t even try arguing with him, he’s one of the most notorious board schizos here.
They better get used to animating porn if they wanna live
>>150970039The King of the Hill is hated by everyone and the people who don't hate it are indifferent. The people who are defending it are paid to do it and have bot farms.
Adventure Time and Steven Universe weren't even bad shows when they started out.The problems started when every new cartoon on the network could be traced back to Adventure Time in some way, there was no fresh blood coming in and you could probably say that about the industry as a whole during the late 2010s. It wasn't lesbians, it was inbreeding that killed it.
>>150970114Does their past work show that they can make something beautiful? Hell, most of them have less animation experience than youtube animators. They were just outsourcing.
>>150969711It did? I thought her guardian was a faggot? Problem with the whole original pitch was that it had nothing to offer to young boys, basically the whole show was banging on shippers being numerous enough to warrant a show. Kids don't find faggots appealing, they think they're lame and gay and anybody who would openly be a fanboy of the show would get bullied in school.
>>150970019>Skibbidy Toilet is in the toy section at walmart.Yes, in the adult collectables selection, also clearance since nobody is buying this crap because they can barely afford food, rent and bills.>It's audience are little boys.Far to violent for little boys, Skibbidy Toilet's market is 100% over 18 years old.>Scary cartoons tend to have a moral attached.No, just snuff, nobody learns anything from them.Kids never touched stampy long nose and SML, they watched Game Sack and LGR.You never watched skinnimax because you made it up.>Kids ditch "brainrot" crap in a second if they can get a nice story and likeable characters and pleasing visuals.They never touched brainrot crap, and they always liked cartoons that have nice stories and likeable characters and pleasing visuals, they're called Looney Tunes and Popeye.>If you said something like...You said something obscure.>>150970039Yes they do care about the quality.
>>150970127>Steven Universe weren't even bad shows when they started outHARD COLOSSAL DISAGREE.
>>150970170It had an interesting premise and the art direction early on was pretty neat. Pearl and Peridot were fun characters.
>>150967233>Big City Sneeds>Kiff>Phineas and Ferb rebootThat's "pumping out shows" to you?
>>150970170People only think this because SU got so substantially worse towards the end of its run that it made the start look good by comparison
>>150970124No you're thinking of KyoAni's City, King of the Hill season 14 was liked.>>150970150Young boys hate that shit, even the 7 to 11 year old market that Avatar was aiming at avoided it in favor of SpongeBob.Also you're not supposed to learn about gays until you're both 10 and in the 5th grade since thats the age you're supposed to learn about that stuff.
>>150970127We also should keep in mind that everyone loved beanmouth and lore shows when they were fresh and new, in the late 2000’s everyone was tired of the UPA-inspired thickline artstyle they’ve seen in every other show back then and for a good reason too, it was mostly used as a cost cutting measure and cheap Canadian shit like Johnny Test and Total Drama looked like shit compared to the thickline shows of the 90’s like Dexters Lab and The PowerPuff Girls. Beanmouth artists were seen as having more unique artstyles from the norm, even John K, despite how much calarts discourse is associated with him and his followers, was supportive of Rebecca Sugars artwork years before Steven Universe was a thing and called the thickline artstyle "calarts":https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/07/success-at-comicon.html?m=1Ironically, now beanmouth had become the cost cutting measure that everyone is tired of, and in hindsight, the UPA-inspired cartoons of the 2000’s (particularly the non-Canadian ones) looked far more appealing, sadly, we didn’t know what he had until it was gone.
>>150970127Nah, SU was always kinda shit, that show getting jerked off so hard is what made me realize that online cartoon "fans" don't have standards and care less about the content of the show and more about online fandom circlejerks.
>>150967959Thank you, both groups suck. Thankfully you don't see many corporate bootlickers outing themselves as much.
>>150970167>Yes, Skibidi Toilet is in the adult collectibles section>Children care about qualityEnough of your schizo faggotry
>>150967068>"there's too much violence in movies and sex on tv" - a zoomer guywtf...where are all my sexy cartoons then
>>150968021>It's cutting the nose to spite the face.If there's no consequence for making dogshit products then they will never stop. Either make shit people want or fuck off, you don't have a right to stay in a job forever when you can't succeed at it at all.
>>150970245I wish the industry would learn from its mistakes. These styles became trendy because they were new or did interesting things so executives response is to repeat it ad nauseum to quickly diminishing returns.
>>150970342>I wish the industry would learn from its mistakes.Exects (the one with the money) will never learn unless it destroys the bank.
>>150967800It's dying for the same reason no one has anything to say about it. The industry existed to support the greater economy, that's in the gutter, and we're all just kind of hoping that somebody with a real say in what comes next learns something of value from it.
>>150969874Stfu trannyfaggot
>>150969720Shut up fagtard
>>150967136Happened to computer science grads too. The degree became worthless for the industry but its too high a qualification for mcdonalds to want to spend money training you for you to leave for something better so you are more fucked than if you just never went.
>>150970188>It had an interesting premiseNo. The premise was an elevator pitch. "There was an ancient war between aliens, alien traitors and humans. Thousands of years later a half-human boy is exploring the ruins and discovering his powers under the guidance of his alien mentors".It reads like something that could stand next to Ben 10 or Generator Rex, and the premise died the second the show was greenlit. It became background details.>Pearl and Peridot were fun characters.No. Only one of Peridot's three characterizations was fun.
>>150967714Wasn’t there a huge controversy a few years back that the NCAA and colleges were actively fucking up the students’ job prospects by making them take useless degrees and having the use of their image exclusively generate profits for the colleges as opposed to the athletes? Heck, EA even got themselves screwed over by this with a bunch of libel lawsuits which resulted in them placing their College Football and Basketball series on a 11-year hiatus (and even then there are still people suing EA over this)
I am surprised no one in this thread has referenced Italian brainrot memes and how literal ai generated nonsense is popular among children and bootleg toys get made for them that their parents end up buying from temu
>>150970526Peridot was fun all the way, she just got sidelined after her redemption arc but was still the best part of any episode
>>150970167>Skibbidy Toilet's market is 100% over 18 years oldlol, lmao
>>150970245>We also should keep in mind that everyone loved beanmouth and lore shows when they were fresh and newNo, faggots loved shows like Adventure Time and Steven Universe. The people that didn't like them have largely been driven off by modern (the last 15 years) faggotry here on /co/mblr
>>150967618What bunch of queers, I dont mind seeing things like that despite being lonely (Not a zoom though)
Moral of the story: Kids are retarded nowadays and only watch stuff that is loud, screechy or oversimplistic because their brains are underdeveloped (no offense) and parents don’t really wanna engage with them (they just want something to keep their mouths shut so they can spend their time looking at equally brain-rotting Instagram live feeds to either spend on worthless shit or get inspired by some douchebag like Andrew Tate).I have to actively make my niece get into less annoying stuff by constantly “reacting” to what she’s watching in order to get her interested; it’s how I got her into Looney Tunes and One Piece. The Industry and their obsession with data sucks but Gen Y and Gen Z parents being dogshit at their duties is also partially to blame.
>>150970019>Kids ditch "brainrot" crap in a second if they can get a nice story and likeable characters and pleasing visuals.I suppose it's actually much more satisfying to know for a fact that you have never been around any kids before. That's good at least. But holy shit you cannot be more wrong if you are not outright trolling here.
>>150968705>If you going to blame any show how about you at least blame Teen Titan Go, you know, the show with actual copycatsGo ahead and name three, you dumb ATfaggot
>>150970656>>150970685>>150970732don't be obsessed with gays challenge (impossible)
>>150970656Stop projecting
>>150970532yes, that's why NIL and the transfer portal are things nowstudent-athletes can get paid and go to bigger schools if they want more money
>>150970739Nice reply zoomie, did AI make it for you?
>>150970560>OP mentions zoomers>Talking about brainrot shit that has to do with meme culture for childrenWow I wonder why
>>150970783You are AIDS
>>150970867Pffft, is that your best retort? You lack some real originality, better to ask your nog friend some fire retort
>>150970041Season 1: fight Lord ShadowmanSeason 2: Deep Lore about Lord Shadowman but he never shows up.Season 3: Everyone is gay and Lord Shadowman is actually Lord Shadowwoman.
>>150969608I genuinely don’t understand why cartoons have Eyes in 100% brightness or glowing in white color
>>150970245>Have to waste years of your artistic journey filling a portfolio with the most generic trend chasing slop just to get in the door>By the time whaterever soulless pastiche project you worked on gets out everyone is already sick of the style your slopmonger show runner forced on you>All eyes on ground breaking indie the creator has full creative control over>Suits complain how much more successful the fresh styled indie is doing
>>150971055Aren't the most successful indie animations just even worse examples of the homo self-therapy slop?
>>150967187Granny arrest
>>150971055>>Suits complain how much more successful the fresh styled indie is doingWait really? Has there been a post of them complaining about stuff like ADC?
>>150970760Stop deflecting
>>150970434>>150970446Stfu grannysperg
>>150970907>better to ask your nog friend some fire retortYou aren’t my friend
>>150967341>>150967227Keep balding granny
>>150968492>netflix opens up a dedicated animation department>greenlights a bunch of shows>they all turbo flop>proceeds to close animation departmentWow, I wonder why streaming companies aren't just doing animation anymore.
>"Those fucking evil executive won't let us makin our heckin' CREATIVE cartoons about teenage lesbians."How tragic.
>>150971232>cartoons about teenage *brown lesbians.fixed that for you
>>150971218They all failed because they either sucked or shitflix sabotaged them like inside job
>>150971342Inside Job wasn't that good either. Completely forgettable, unremarkable and it just blended in with all of the other Rick and Morty clones. Not surprised they cancelled it. It didn't flop on accident.If Inside Job is meant to be the supposed stand-out show from the netflix animation department stint, it's no surprise the entire thing collapsed in the span of like 2 years.
Has anyone noticed this one guy spamming every thread recently?>>150970434>>150970446
>>150968090you first artfag, and glad ai took your job>>150969828you first NES
>>150967136Go into the trades. I got a BFA in 2019(funny enough, SVA was one of the schools I got accepted to), and now I'm making 80k a year and looking at a pay bump to six figures next year. If you aren't a fucking retard it should be easy.
>>150967528>>150967678>Forgetting the discussions and image compilations of HR departments blacklisting right wing creators and purity testing applicantsThe industry is extremely heavily gate-kept if you have wrong-think.
>>150967800It's funny because the cartoons getting spin-offs and shit are the so-called "calarts" showsThere's literally a new Adventure Time show airing right now kek
>>150967155True, SU was always dyke propaganda trash and Adventure Time started somewhat decent up until it also became dyke propaganda trash, if this is what we're missing then I'm glad for it
>>150967230You and your 100 brown lesbians mothers.
Why does the debate have to be good animation vs good writing? Why can't it be both?
>>150967618More like most men don't believe in romance+ the fact cartoons have become infamous for bad romance
>>150967249>>150967347>>150969209The shit thing is I'm autistic as shit and love collecting toys and the toy industry is going tits up too. I'd imagine it goes hand and hand with there being no toy commercial cartoons anymore. But there are bigger reasons like cellphones and the economy. But still. Like fucking goddamn. Kids ALWAYS loved toys and need them for their development somewhat (tactile things, imagination and playing with other kids...ya know fun) Theres like ancient and stone toys made with copper wires. It's hard to actually address the arguement when no one really presented one. Phones are worse sports are healthier but it's insane to say its immoral.
>>150971665Correct! The only toys that sell nowadays are videogames, however the media based on your game has to be GOOD for it to sellTo give an example, what boy is gonna buy a videogame of Adventure Dyke Time where you play as lame guy cucked by lesbians? Yeah that's right, nobody, compare this vs anime and no wonder the western animation is dying
>>150971719>give an example, what boy is gonna buy a videogame of Adventure Dyke Time where you play as lame guy cucked by lesbians?You know what I think a lot of cartoons since Adventure time barely even can fit in 3d let alone fucking 3d toys. Remember hownshit the Regular Show toys were?
I miss retarded variants of batman so much. I need to make a thread on it but this is the only picture I have. We missed put on a generation of shit like Bazooka Launcher Peridot ...and uhhh whatever the fuck else. 90s toys were insane.
>>150971665Everything fandom moved to the format of ONLY catering to adults who grew up in the 80s. Toy aisles are only 80s nostalgia shit, and they stopped bothering to sell shit to kids. Then make up the excuses that kids don't buy toys. ...the toys that they specifically designed to only sell to adults. Nerds and freaks took over the industries and only made shit for their peers. This has been a problem in a number of different areas.
>>150971882>Grew up in the 90s as a Transformer fan>had to deal with TRUKK NOT MUNKEY retards >Now in 2025 it feels like nothing but G1 transformers for them and Bayformers for the chineseI
>>150971804Not him but part of the problem is that the designs are horrible, horrible dogshit. They neither translate to toy form well nor are they inherently appealing. Finn, Steven, Mordecai, Luz etc are all just ugly. And the characters themselves don't create emotional bonds with viewers like animes do.
>>150971437It’s adventuretranny/adventurepedo, he has a limited vocabulary and gets pissy everytime somebody insults Adventure Time, jeffyfag is a different autist but it seems he’s learned that word from his retardyness
>>150971882>and they stopped bothering to sell shit to kids.That's only mostly rightThey started leaning *hard* into blind box shit for kids
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>>150971602Nice fantasies
>>150972025>Finn, Steven, Mordecai, Luz etc are all just ugly. And the characters themselves don't create emotional bonds with viewers like animes do.Absolutely wrong, weebtroon
>>150972287not even kids watch that type of shit now though
>>150972287>let kids enjoy thingsAnd what are we doing that is preventing them access? Are we intercepting broadcasts or something? Dumbass.
>>150972077Why would a tranny keep calling everyone trannies and faggots?
>>150972323Yeah, anon’s projecting
>>150972287Reminds me of when people were used the "uh akshally all cartoon decades have style trends" excuse to defend beanmouth (acting as if beanmouth doesn’t look like shit compared to the other styles)Also this take here is retarded cause a good reboot should always appeal to fans of the original series, no exceptions.
>>150972025You don’t know shit but you are a weebtard so that’s a given
>>150972314That was during the Thundercats Roar debacle
>>150972025>And the characters themselves don't create emotional bonds with viewers like animes doCare to explain your claim, cause you are mostly grasping at straws.
>>150971437contact to the IRC to wordfilter that word>but it's cringenot compared to actual spammers spamming more often.
>>150972366That guy spams threads every day.
>>150972308Nta but those characters are ugly
>>150972484Wrong, only Steven
>>150970732Ben 10 (2016)The Powerpuff Girls (2016)ThunderCats Roar (2020)
>>150969663That's the trick you if someone complains about animation you say that the important thing is the script. If someone complains about the script you say only thing that matters is the audience having a good time. If someone isn't having a good time the show is not for them. If no one is having a good time you call everyone toxic
>>150972508The only one that could count there is thundercats and even then the art and the writing had nothing in common with TTG.
>>150970269Children do care about quality, otherwise Mir would've never been founded.>>150970271Japan, so >>>/a/>>150970560That has never happened.>>150970602Yes, that is the case as it's far too violent for kids.>>150970705Nothing you said is true.
>>150970713We have kids since we all have wifes (we all male by the way), a few trolls posted but this is a married man's industry.>>150971041Because thats how real life works, it's unnatural to have skin colored eyes.>>150971600At lease the dykes got retconned because every normie bitched about it.
>>150972801>At lease the dykes got retconned Wdym, as far as I know they are still together.
>>150972746>that Skibidi Toilet toy commercial with actual kids in it is geared towards adultshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZW16iNDEOQ
>>150972287>>150972314>>150972349Shopped tweet.>>150972508Also...Animaniacs'2020 (2020)Tiny Toons Looniversity
>>150972746>>150972801>>150972851MOOOOODDDDDS FAMICOMS SPAMMING THE THREAD WITH HIS SCHIZO SHIT AGAIN.
>>150972883Good
>>150972842Not the case, get off of Paheal as all the dyke shit got scrubbed out from Princess Bubblegum and Marceline's existence.>>150972850No, you are.No Skibidi Toilet toy commercial had kids in it, what ever you watched is AI slop.
>>150972883Famicom has nothing to do with this thread, and theres nothing schizo about it, except for the retards who think it's ok to let kids watch Friday The 13th and Child's Play.
>>150972893>Not the case, get off of Paheal as all the dyke shit got scrubbed out from Princess Bubblegum and Marceline's existence.How'd they pull that off, it was everywhere the series was for years on end.
>>150972987Not true, get off from Paheal please stop lying.
>>150972912>except for the retards who think it's ok to let kids watch Friday The 13th and Child's PlayMoralfag
>>150972077don't forget he necrobumps steven universe threads all day.
>>150973017No, thats a normie, all normies are like that.
>>150973051That's based though
>>150973145Yeah
>>150973145>>150973246No it's not. Steven Universe is sjwshit and it died years ago. Why should we have to still put up with seeing it.
>>150973286>weSorry chud but you're not slick, most of /co/ likes SU
>>150973286Free board so go in threads and stop whining
>>150970041>>150970986Season 1>The kids go to Harry Potter school>The principle works for Lord Shadowman>There a clique of white kids, they're bullies of course>Girl gets a blacker, lesbian friend, she's tsundere>Slice of life, episodic plots about school life, learning magic, etc.>Hints of lore insode the school, mystery box bullshit>The principal is ousted in the season finaleSeason 2>There's a mystery brown female principal>Boy joins the bullies because he's white>Dragon gets serious>Lord Shadowman goes public and takes over the school>Girl, blacker lesbian, and her instantly forgettable friends get expelledSeason 3>Lord Shadowman controls the school>The queers crash the school>Boy rejoins her sister when a white kid drops a slur>Girl, Boy, and Dragon turn Super Saiyan and defeat Lord Shadowman>The white clique stop being bullies>Timeskip, none of them are losersIt takes 8 years to make these cartoons? This took me 20 minutes.All you have to do is combine Harry Potter and Star Wars. It's no wonder older creators tell young artists to touch grass.What's this thread about?>>150971144NTA but I saw a tweet on here that dissed indie animation for being too corporate.
>>150973315>>Boy rejoins her sister when a white kid drops a slurThat would make this shit more entertaining
>>150967703Don't pull Giffany into this. Giffany did nothing to you.
>>150973357Stop looking at the screen
>>150971645Anon, look at AT and SU. This is what women think romance and relationships are. It's little more then relationship drama, throwing bratty tantrums, and vague excuses for sex or outright rape. Romance is the domain of men wooing women and the bitter and homosexual hate that. We believe in romance. But romance isn't what women want. They are told to hate it and see it as bad and they then pretend they want chad and jamal like the media and other loser women tell them then go home and flick the bean to crazy rape porn. >>150971719Bro, labubu is making hundreds of millions, those little rodenty baby doll things litter my home, little boys still like cars and large male toys and cards with cool stuff drawn on them. The problem has never been that they aren't buying. The problem is that they can't sell it and the cost is too high. Did you SEE those fucking ugly toy boxes for the one transformers? That wasn't for the child demo. >>150971804Because Adventure Time(early adventure time) and Regular SHow aren't toy shows. They are cartoon BRANDING SHOWS. Both shows bread and butter were child and ironic teen and adult clothing and shwag. At most you'll get AT plushies and that's it. Neither of those shows were really toyetic beyond throw away stuff you get for free and just hang on a key chain.
anime won
>>150969608>>150967171The Simpsons is responsible for this btw
>>150972025Holy shit take batman. Ive busted so many times to TOH characters its not even funny so they def look appealing
>>150973640No offense anon, but that's just you having shit taste, like most people into cartoons these days.>Nah bro, you don't get it, this noodle-limb lollipop person with tumors for feet is hot as fuck, it's an amazing aesthetic bro, trust me on this!I just thank god that your shit taste will take this entire shitty modern industry with it.
>>150973640Well, it’s just your taste, but it’s not that bad
>>150973656>>Nah bro, you don't get it, this noodle-limb lollipop person with tumors for feet is hot as fuck, it's an amazing aesthetic bro, trust me on this!Good thing that’s not what TOH is like but you’ I’ll still grasp at straws
>>150973656If you are seriously telling me pic related is a bad design then im not the one with shit taste here
>>150973677>Good thing that’s not what TOH is likeI'm sorry that you're blind, anon.Again, thank god your shit taste is killing this entire shitty industry, you deserve it.
>>150967201I think the voice actor guild was a contributing factor.
>>150973687>i cheer on cartoons dyingKys weeb
>>150973684Christ, zoomer aesthetic tastes truly are disgusting.
>>150973687No, your description doesn’t apply to the show
>>150973699Cartoons died a decade ago, this is just a shambling re-animated corpse being put out of its misery.
>>150973703>saying this > while posting a girl with the meme cut and potato nose
>>150973703Seethe, shit taste haver
>>150973715Yes, the girl in my reaction image is ugly as fuck, I'm not the one trying to say she's hot.>>150973718
>>150973710Im sorry you have shit taste but thats already apparent. I love alot of old action cartoons and i even hate alot of modern shows (slice of life spam that CN had in the late 2010s was awful) but that doesnt invalidate all of the shows from that time period. Learn to enjoy variety or enjoy being miserable
>>150973727Sorry that you have shit taste
>>150973699You first neet
>>150973733>ESL tooGross, just affirms my merited dislike of you and your horrible taste.
>>150973744>deflectingPathetic
>>150967068>>150967074She says this the same year an original animated IP (by a diverse female director no less) blew up in popularity thanks to a streaming service. Seems not as bleak.
>>150969695Sorry to be the one to inform you. Is what it is.
>>150967171I mentioned here a while ago that when I first watched AT, I was impressed by the animation quality. I'm not crazy about the art style but the animation? Top notch. Very, very well done. But then people started posting off model pics of Finn to "prove" that I'm an idiot for praising the animation quality, proving that they're retarded and don't understand the difference between art style, character design and animation quality. So yeah. There's some retarded shit posted here.
>>150973744proving >>150973737 right
>>150973834>off model pics of FinnFinn is an human so he obviously has a humanoid body despite the artstyle
>>150967640I always thought it was this war on the male gaze sort of thing. Everything becomes a point of contention to the point that only pedophile creeps and sex offenders thrive because they are used to keeping their sexual activity secret.
>>150973849About what? Him being your boyfriend?
>>150973684That is an awful design
>>150973910How? The only bad thing that I could say about it is the teeth but it’s a just a small part of her design.
>>150967068Look I liked City of Ghosts but Ito is blind to how limited its appeal is especially given how much cultural cachet Los Angeles has lost. I bet the concept would have been way more successful had she decided to base it on a city people still have positive associations with like Paris or Tokyo. On the one hand I feel bad for her on the other she has no self awareness.
>>150970198They are the only major kids network still hiring new people for cartoons dumbass
>>150967068why the first 2 images specifically? at first i thought she meant non-lore shows but both of them are/are known for when they did that. and only harley is a pre-existing character gravity falls was original
>>150974083also "you'll never get something like those first 2 shows again" when both of those 2 shows are being revived (fionna and cake aside, they're literally making normal adventure time again later)
>>150974083I guess she singled those out because she worked at CN and those are CN studios shows; specifically she worked on Adventure Time and she probably included SU as it was kind of a successor show with a lot of staff overlap.Thinking about it, I don't think CN had another big show after SU, it got kind of taken over by WB's TTG.
>>150973566No, anime lost as it's doing 20 times worse then the west.>>150973834Adventure Time never had top notch animation, if you want top notch go watch the original Animaniacs (not is abysmal reboot which has garbage animation), that had top notch animation (but only the TMS episodes).
>>150974336Oh she hates Disney beacuse the whole donation to Palestine when the war started btw. I think she dosn't like Hirsch tho
>>150974360Did Willie Ito do the same thing?
>>150973566Nah it's doing worset. /a/ fag
>>150974399I dunno about that, it's hard to do worse than "almost completely dead."
>>150974399>anime movie surpassed all the superhero movies released this year>somehow anime is doing worse
>>150967201LMAO based. This.
>>150974437>Implying that the Demon Slayer movie was good just for making money
>>150968348Good morning sirs.
>>150974437$70 million world wide and most of that is Japan alone isn't surpassing all the superhero movies released this year.$1 billion however from that same IP years ago is.And China made double that.So please shut the fuck up.
>>150974472Famicom, go to bed.
>>150974482That is the truth.
>>150974446This thread is about success, not about quality.
>>150974357>only the TMSStartoons also had some good episodes.Adventure Times more experimental guest animated episodes had very unique (even good) animation.https://youtu.be/f_7zMntWq7Q?si=Dh6lbDpHNnDKuqf9
>>150974336TTG is fucking shit i dont know why they artificially spammed that show so much
>>150967415This and she sounds like she would be hard to work with. I don’t think things in animation are exactly great but people are still finding ways to put out their work out there and we are getting indie stuff through Glitch Productions.
>>150974357Stfu famitroon
>>150974525>Startoons also had some good episodes.True.
>>150974531Better than SU
>>150967455I mean, who isn't?
>>150967574Don't forget the Realistic Panic Attacks, those are, like, super important
>>150974531I remember hearing somewhere that it was an attempt to try and compete with streaming by making the highest rated show the most available so channel ratings would stay steady, sort of a ghetto way to force linear tv to being "on demand". Don't know where I heard that though so take it with a grain of salt.
>>150974573rent free
>>150967665The way I saw some Zoomers and Gen Y kids react to the AWS outage and how they couldn’t access some of their favorite apps and games or even the internet was like watching addicts go through withdrawal.It also made me realize that you only need to take down AWS, GCP, Azure and every form of popular entertainment and you’d essentially will cause a massive riot.There’s a reason most of the protestors in the US are oldfags and at youngest they are mostly millenials. Most zoomers are not stepping out.
>>150968272Globo homo AKA Globally homosexual which means pretty gay.
>>150974684Streaming wasn't even a real menace when the spam of TTG started
>>150974758Actually, it’s homogeneous globally
>>150968242>except the visualsThey managed to de-cutefy Princess Peach, never forget, never forgive.
>>150974769Nta but the spam started around 2017
>>150967074Her heart is in the right place, but general audiences really don't give that much of a fuck about quality. Plus her and her cohorts do, in fact, make trash which just drives away a lot of the people who actually DO give a fuck about quality.
Kids nowadays probably aren't even exposed to a large variety of shows.
>>150971218but what about arcane?
>>150970188The pilot killed it when the gay kid started doing bad singing with ukelele
>>150974879>the gay kid started doing bad singingDoubly wrong.
>>150969451>>150969879>Bit the bullet and start animating pornPretty sure that Lewdfroggo guy does that, he doesn't even animate weird stuff. Makes a shitload more a month compared to your average art school grad just for animating vanilla porn.
>>150974437>>150974437Anime is currently getting fucked in the ass due to outsourcing to China and Korea, western companies are also trying to sanitize the racier stuff due to Jap toons going mainstream.
>>150971882I was gonna point out>>150972025Look at this fucking Joe. Cool, colorful design, lots of articulation that doesn't interfere too much, with comics and cartoons promoting it, not too expensive for the time.Now they don't even get the nostalgia right because good luck finding this o-ring model in average stores, you have to be in the know to buy online.
>>150971831The 90s Venom related symbiote figures look so damn cool, too
>>150974874First season was hyped to hell and back. Mostly by paid shills.Second season came out and they litterally couldn't back peddle from it fast enough before they were splashed with shit from the normie hate shit storm.
>>150974998South Korea and China are the ones funding these shows so of course they're the ones who are doing the actual work, and the only anime to go mainstream is stuff like Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan, shit like One Piece, Borurto, My Hero Academia and Demon Slayer is only touched by geeks and nerds (with a solid amount of wine aunts and fujos in Demon Slayer's case), in fact normies still see anime as poison due to the Tsutomu Miyazaki incident so normie anime has to be as simple as flat as Family Guy and Bob's Burgers just so normies will touch it, hence why Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan are still running and if it wasn't for Detective Conan the style people associate with anime (as in the Demon Slayer and DBZ type of style) would've been outlawed due to how normies view it as raw sewage.
>>150975169>Mostly by paid shillsSource?
>>150975276Kys famicom
im sorry but you reap what you fucking sowed. enjoy the crash
>>150967614I don't think that's fair. It's clearly a problem that's been escalating for the last decade or so. I wouldn't assume the derivative garbage slop (which you are correct in calling out) is what the creatives WANT to put out, it's what the studios demand for algorithmic reasons. Now, that also doesn't mean that just because these creators are being denied that that suddenly means that the content that they want to make in their heart is automatically going to be good, it's entirely possible their truest dream project is shit from a butt, but we don't get to SEE whether that's the case, because a suit says every show needs to look like A, B, and C.
>>150975298>I don't know anything about anime.
>>150975295No hype or even talk of it now.
>>150974558Gtfo>>150975298You first NES
>>150967068Pen Ward left the industry and abandoned his own cartoon because he couldn’t handle success.His failure is no one else’s fault but himself.
>>150968272I don’t know about globohomo, but it was one of the most boring cartoons ever made.
>>150975916Explains the episode of his dad being a fat dumb bastard who just la dee daa'd off while he tried to keep him there and lost his arm.Might also explain the animosity everyone has towards the Finn Character.
>>150968057This.People hated Elio but liked K-Pop Demon Slayer
>woketards are being firedNature is healing
>>150973315Meanwhile, if the cartoon was made by conservatives.Season 1>All the main kids are as white as snow and are humans.>Girls have at least Double D breasts and a thicc ass.>Girls have constant fanservice shots in every episode until the very end.>The kids go to a school to be proper cartoon characters>The principle is BUGS FUCKING BUNNY!>There a clique of black kids, all male. they're all have huge white lips, have a IQ of watermelon and/or fried chicken and all sound like Stepin Fetchit, Louis Armstrong or Eddie Rochester.>Girl gets a magical pet friend, she becomes a magic girl as a result.>Episodic plots about whatever.>No lore, just fun.>The principal is awarded in the season finally.Season 2>There's a anvil dropped on Cool Cat>Boy joins the black kids because they know who dropped the anvil on Cool Cat>Daffy Duck gets serious>Bugs Bunny goes public, reveals who dropped an anvil on Cool Cat>It was the Warner Bros and their sister Dot who dropped the anvil on Cool Cat because they wanted to make a guest appearance on The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries and Cool Cat keeps taking their spot.>Everyone laughs and the Warners guest star in The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries.Season 3>Porky Pig warns that someone is going to crash the school.>Marvin The Martian crash the school>Marvin threatens to blow up the Earth unless he takes over the school.>Daffy Duck becomes Duck Dodgers, Porky also joins.>The male kids are no where to be seen.>Daffy wins, Marvin goes back to Mars and everyone lives happily ever after.
>>150976336no wonder conservatives don't make good art.
>>150976365They made the best art (Pic related).
>>150974399Nah cartoons are doing 1000 times worset. /co/ fag
>>150973733>>150973718why do you have to post fanart though? she just looks like worse version of Ryko from tenchi Muyo. hell, just look at Ryoko herself, look how great the colors are and how good it is shaded, something that modern cartoons can't achieve. owl house is just anime references over anime references while failing to be as good as what it is referencing
>>150976365Name 10 conservatives
>>150967068>Gen Z wants less sex>Posts Harley Quinn, a show that has a lot of lesbian sex in it
>>150974399Is it though? I still find anime that interest me, especially in the movie category(and I am not talking about shonenshit). Meanwhile cartoons have barely anything to offer. I doubt that you are an /a/ fag. You are just a larper.>>150974998Anime has always been outsourced to china and korea since the very beginning.
>>150971232>>150971269>>150969879>>150971719Manga and Anime has always been woke
>>150976690>girl on the bottom is "black">she's drawn like a light tan typical anime girl japan media handling racism always amuses me
>>150976690Only the last one applies here since the first 2 aren't action anime and Mazinger is 100x times cooler and has better toys than modern cartoons.
>>150975962>That's for tran-80% male / AMAB suicide
>>150976690>Manga and Anime has always been wokeYet the average leftie would have an aneurysm while reading an interview from one of those old "woke" writers, especially guys from the 70s/80. Leftwing guys from that period would be considered nazis by modern standards. Also pic related there have always been right wing anime as well. Angel cop called out the jews and as result it got censored in western releases.
>>150976690>Manga and Anime has always been wokethis
>>150974915>>150967136>>150969451If you have the time and money taking the time to animate porn for a slightly less popular franchise is a pretty good investment. You have to make a couple of them free first. In fact your first few free ones should be the popular stuff so you can get picked up by the re-tweet accounts. Then you spend the money to make one with sound and then just hope you can make some money from patreon and commissions.
>>150976735yuri is cute though
>>150974472Its $649M Nigger why would you down play something easily googled?
>>150976690>>150976735>he thinks this is comparable to brown noddle limbs lesbian slop, especially when you have so much more option than just thatThe problem with western cartoons is that the networks themselves are dying so none of them are pumping out cool stuff
>>150976732Sure but at the time of their creation and sale they were counter culture and considered left
>>150976336>no token black friend0/10see me after class
>>150976746and Haruka Tenoh Is a non-Binary lesbian
>>150971437>everywhere I go people tell me to stfu and call me a fagtard>clearly it's a single guy with a problem and not me being a fagtardMaybe you should just stfu fagtard
>>150976799>non-BinaryProof? >lesbianYuri in anime is cute most of the time so idc
>>150971831>90s toys were insane.Love going back and watching old toy commercials because of that.>WETTER IS BETTERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6wKUyjFT8Lives rent free in my head.
>>150976773I don't thing Nagai Go(the creator of Mazinger) has even expressed his politics. Anyways you can find plenty of people on every social media complaining about manga like Cutie Honey sexualizing women so if he truly was a leftists then it's sad how his works are despised by the exact same people
>>150976811>proof?herevive la LGBTQ+!
>>150967068i discussed this with a friend, and honestly this feels like a very WB/Netflix focused issue heredisney's seems to still have their heads in the game, and nick pretty much the carries in the work enviroment dept. (not so their output, but i pin the blame squarely on the fact they haven't catered to this new generation of "grown-ups" yet)
>>150976840>I don't thing Nagai Go(the creator of Mazinger) has even expressed his politics.Dude, have you ever read Devilman?Nagai considers it his life's work, and the last few volumes of that were political as fuck.
Capitalism kills the job market because it is anti-worker to begin with. Innovation makes jobs easier and cheaper to sell more dear. The entire doctrine for capitalism is to hoard more wealth than it cost to produce. You produce more wealth by not having to pay workers, using slave labor, or automation.Animation is a medium of luxury as all the animation was mostly done overseas at slave wage costs supported by the American dollar. Yet with digital tools there is a lot less materials required to finished an animated project. You mostly need skilled talented and knowledgeable workers.It seems going indie as a passion project as a side gig is the only way forward for any upcoming wannabe animator.
>>150976799>non-Binary lesbianyet she is still hotreverse traps are a thing and straight males like them to
>>150976952>Dude, have you ever read Devilman?Yes. >and the last few volumes of that were political as fuck.I was talking about his actual opinions of modern politics outside of his works.
>>150976892post the japanese script for that. tomboys=/= non-binary. also you were talking about the 90s SM, not the manga and the remake that follows the manga so why are you changing the subject?
>>150976828Is wetter really better though?
>>150977206Yes, NOW HIT ME WITH THE XP105.
don't go into cartoons
>>150968391Sure as fuck most of those people aren't autistic it something like that. It's just normalfags finding entertainment more engaging than going to clubs and bars.That or the couples are too stressed to have kids.
>>150968391Vaxxx and emf radiation is the problem.
>>150967068>you won't get qnything like the first two inages for a really long whileGreat? That's a good thing.
>>150967074Audiences never cared about the quality lol.
>>150970602>glorified statuette instead of actual toy
>>150967068>xitter thread
>>150967179How bitter do you have to be to make this lel
>>150974399Physically impossible
>>150977423Sure, not gyrocentricness, ugliet & shittier women and and endless work
>>150976690Those weren't main stream is the thing, the conservative stuff stuff was the anime and manga that went mainstream.Also a person of color doesn't make it woke (see All This And Rabbit Stew and Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs).>>150976735They were also hicks which is how Toei got away with it, parental groups still bitched and it got Sailor Moon pulled from airwaves until Crystal and got replaced with Ojamajo Doremi.>>150976764YOU FUCKING WISH!!!!It caped at $70 million because shit like Demon Slayer is only touched by geeks and nerds outside of Japan and wine aunts and fujos in Japan itself which is where most of that $70 million came from (the men left after parental groups bitched about Mitsuri Kanroji's hot springs scene causing Shueisha to kill off any scenes with female characters being eye candy and ufotable had to follow Shueisha's orders or get fired from Demon Slayer)We can't let the devil win, Demon Slayer is anti-Japanese content, you want pro-Japanese content go watch The Boy and The Heron as all that is is "JOIN THE JSDF!!!">>150976775Not needed.
>>150976892Figure of speech.
>>150974399We're doing fineWe get like 200 shows a year, and even if only 10 of them are good that's still 9 more than /co/ will get in a year
>>150967481>do a 180 and redeem himself with The Boys, Invincible, TMNT and The StudioThe dope has really melted your brain, Seth.
>>150967618"Zoomers don't like romance and sex" yet the have to shove gay shit into everything.
>>150968021>Do you honestly think any good is going to come out of execs refusing to greenlit literally original now?Yeah, I dont have to cringe every time a new bean mouth sloppa show about gay teenagers shows up in my feed. Worth it.
>>150970213who the fuck liked the new King of the Hill? all I saw was complaints
>>150971930so you didn't like Earthspark and the nonbinary transformers?
>>150976336and what cartoon did you see anything like this?
>>150967230Name 100 ANY cartoons in the last decade. Unless you do, your request to name specifically 100 lesbian cartoons was retarded. You soon to rope troon.
>>150978743>not understanding sarcasmSperg
>>150973684Ugly ass fuck. And people fap to this?A god damn raisin prune compared to Ryoko.And this is why anime is beating cartoons.Even their "homages" are inferior
>>150969070Man every time I read opinions like this they just feel so scripted and fake, like they were formed by consooming thousands of hours of "we vs woke" algorithm clickbait and video rants on youtube instead of watching the cartoonAdventure Time just got better after season 2
>>150978856Shut up, troon.
>>150978922I know you are but what am I?
>>150978655not that anon, but I really liked the recent King of the Hill season. It shows that Mike Judge still hasn't lost touch
>>150978991A troon
>>150979013it's shit
>>150979032To each is own and it's ok if you don't like it. I thought it was pretty good. Like the recent Beavis & Butthead seasons, it has flaws but it's still quality
>>150967068>>150967074Not my problem. I (and Gen Z) can just watch animated series we want... from Japan. Literally a skill issue by Americans.
>>150978905I agree it got better but I think the complaints about how Finn got treated compared to the female characters, especially Bubblegum and Flame Princess, are valid.
>>150967136Just get a day job, build a portfolio, and wait a couple of years like a normal fucking person.
>>150971665>>150971882Meanwhile my home and my sister's home is drowning in Paw Patrol and Bluey plastic. Paw Patrol is toy commercial cartoons on steroids. They have a new set of toys each and every season, plus new sets of toys for the movies. The toy sales are still there, just got crowded out younger and older. In the slot where kids used to get the most toys, they now care more about video games and anime
>>150978337Not any more, with Sanae Takaichi in office she is going to make censorship and labor laws that are so strict that the number will go down from 250 shows (not counting ONAs and features) a SEASON (not year) down to 2 to 3 a YEAR (for everything), and it's kids/family anime that is going to take over the anime/manga industry like it was before 2006 while otaku slop will get killed off.In short; Normie anime like Hamtaro will be the norm again while Sanae Takaichi is fixing the damages caused by Haruhi Suzumiya.>>150978373Nobody likes romance and sex to begin with, they just want funny animals hitting each other over the head with mallets and dropping anvils on each other.>>150978655Every big cartoon site give Season 14 of King of The Hill decent reviews, you're thinking of City where that got ripped to shreads due to KyoAni loosing most of their talent to that fire and those who made it out alive either left for to work for live action or went to Bones or Science Saru.>>150979032You're thinking of City.>>150979286Yea, except they been running for decades and are just as simple as flat as Family Guy and Bob's Burgers (Sazae-San, Chibi Maruko-chan, Doraemon, Crayon Shin-Chan and to a lesser extent due to it's targeted market Anpanman).
>>150979752>Video games.Yes, video games like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza.>AnimeYes, anime like Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan.
>>150979752ThisLook at how every glue company in America saw profits shoot up once the volume craze took off. I reiterate. The problem isn't toys the problem is pseud Californians and out of touch suits who cant sell shit. The people in control of hasbro dont know how to sell their evergreen product.
>>150974399What's a cartoon that's close to as good as Clevatess from the past 5 years, by any metric?
>>150979864Looney Tunes Cartoons and The Patrick Star Show puts Clevatess to shame.
>>150979903Famicom, get a job.
>>150979817What? We're talking about kids not grandpas
>>150979956But kids do watch Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan (as dose everyone between the ages of 5 to 125).Same goes for Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza.
>>150979776>Every big cartoon site give Season 14 of King of The Hill decent reviews,so... the paid shill sites.
>>150980144Not paid shills.
>>150979776>loosingKek, learn English Famitrash.
>>150980289Thats how it's spelled.
>>150980183surrrrrre
>>150967233She has implied that she hates Hirsch, one of her tantrums was bitching about The Book Of Bill by how Hirsch isn't discussing the whole palestine war and focusing to make a book owned by a company that donated to Israel to kill children
>>150980460>She has implied that she hates HirschWTF, I love Elizabeth Ito now.
>>150979817Fortnite filled the toyetic action figure niche action cartoons used to fill before the testosterone purge of the 2010s.
>>150979864>ClevatessAnon everyone knows that the only mainstream anime from the decade is Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer and Dandadan
>>150967068>>150967074Wait didn't Ian JQ hinted in January that he is doing a pilot with Disney? what is this bitch talking about
>>150980514No, Super Mario Odyssey, plus John K got rid of the toyetic action figure niche action cartoons back in 1987 with Bakshi Mighty Mouse.>>150980499Is she related to Willie Ito, because thats all that matters.
>>150971831https://www.tcdb.com/Gallery.cfm/sid/120214/1995-SkyBox-Kenner-Legends-of-Batman
>>150978905>>150979450NTA, but as someone who sincerely felt that way as a kid, after about season 2 things just felt like a very different vibe. I think people who liked the after ~Season 3 direction the show took wanted more of a lore heavy, world building, character driven show whereas my ilk preferred like the more whimsical off beat jokey heavy direction. The whole "Kill the chaotic neutral ant" gag in the Enchiridion episode was some of the funniest cartoon dialogue I had heard in recent memory at the time, up there with some of the best spongebob moments imo. Contrast that with the more drama laden vibe the series ended up taking it never hit higher than a mid episode of avatar to me.
>>150980515True but why would that matter?
>>150976735>Manga and Anime has always been woket. Person who will claim japan is chuddius maximus state and that mangaka are all pedophiles if he's having a bad day
Thread is now over 500 posts, part 2 is here >>150980617
>>150968272Globohomo means the globalist Homosexual; a reference to how people who espouse SJW/globalist politics in their works also tend to ramrod homosexuality into it as well in as aell
>>150969962Daria was Frasier to B&B's Cheers. It's also a show that is intricately tied to the pre-9/11 late 90s zeitgeist, which is why attempts at a revival have all failed whereas B&B can be endlessly revived due to it basically having a more timeless appeal to it involving idiots being idiots, whereas Daria is tied to the late 90s letdown you saw in shit like Office Space and Fight Club.
The party is over. Time to banana split out of my club!
>>150970532Confusing shit All colleges tend to tard wrangle the really stupid jocks into bullshit degrees (one popular one is communications, which Simpsons mocked in one episode but also stuff like geology studies, hence joke about "rocks for jocks" classes). Some who know they can't turn pro will focus hard on academics and some will make fucking sure they graduate purely for bragging rights when they turn pro to say "I'm not just a dumb jock". Meanwhile there are also a ton of kid college athletes who after they spend time in the majors, go back to college to finish and will save their pro money to facilitate this move.As for likeness issues, it's long been held that the college has every right to fuck over student athletes because they are getting a free ride and a decent number don't even finish because they turn pro first chance they can. It sucks for the player, but the argument has long been that getting fucked over financially by the college is a price to pay to basically take scholarship money that could have gone to a nerd or random Joe nobody.
>>150972025This. Regular Show is literal vomit character design wise. At least the lesbians on Adventure Time are attractively drawn and the character designs for Finn and the monsters colorful and appeal to kids
Haha serves you right stupid fucks, get woke go broke.SJWs ruined, collapsed and bankrupted the whole industry with their stupid political correctness and disdain for white men.
>>150977836>They were also hicks which is how Toei got away with it, parental groups still bitched and it got Sailor Moon pulled from airwaves until Crystal and got replaced with Ojamajo Doremi.The fuck are you talking about? Just like Dragonball, the original show's been in constant reruns since it first aired.
>>150982415This is about Sailor Moon, not Dragon Ball.
>>150982552Dragonball was used as another example of a show that's continuously been in reruns.The exact same thing goes for Sailor Moon.
