>>150989009Norman has a higher body count than me…
>>150989009And also one of the biggest assholes. Great character
>>150989009It's amazing how much he falls off as a villain just by climbing into the stupid costume. He's a far, far better villain simply as Norman then he ever can be as a Wacky flying Halloween freak.
>>150989009I like carnage just a smidge better but hes my second favorite
>>150989009He’s a hero last time I checked. Defending NYC from turds like Hobgoblin and Tombstone.The Spider-Man we need!
>>150991142My issue with Carnage is he just mismatched as a villain. His power levels and effects fit a Spider-man villain but his personality isn't anything that compliment Spidey. Most of Spiey's rouge gallery is down on luck villains, and/or one's personally tied to him. Carnage hits none of those, he just likes to kill cause he's crazy, even when they retro fitted he had mommy/daddy issues it didn't really do much to make him work any better as a Spidey foe. I think he work well as a Wolverine villain due to snik bub having a closer understanding of how easy it be just to go feral and kill for fun, but I'm unsure if Carnage's power set and style would translate over.
>>150991224I like carnage because he is such an edgelord character and i think its good for spider man to have a unique character where there is no motive other then a desire to kill or have no tragic back story to try and make them sympathetic. Carnages lack of sympathy is why i adore him in a way besides just looking cool as fuck
>>150989009The only correct answer for 4chan
>>150991231I hear you but he already had that prior to Carnage, such as Sin Eater, Kraven the Hunter, Chameleon, etc. If anything Big C was a bit lazy ridding on rule of cool design and little else.
>>150989009Why does Spidey have such a great rogues gallery? It easily outclasses all other marvel characters. Hell the only superhero with a better set of Villains is Batman.
>>150991334anon >>150991224 hits some of it with how much of it is all in the family with him such as GG being his best friends dad, Lizard was his teacher, but it's also how thematic it stayed with many his enemies being animals too like Rhino, Doc Ock, and Vulture. The big thing however was most the enemies stayed within his power level of being street threats, this is a big advantage Spider-man and Bat-man have is where they are street rime heroes first and foremost it's hard for their rouge gallery to be grand world ending threats so the writers have to get much more creative with villains motives and why they are acting as they are. Thus they hold in people's minds more because a story about the hero struggling over he fact he has to fight a mentally ill friend and balance between saving them and saving others sticks better than you have to stop the cosmic baddie wanting to take over earth.
>>150991312Carnage is pure like the Joker, no ulterior motives. Spiderman needs someone like that
>>150991367>Spiderman needs someone like thatAgain, I argue he had several like that, who development much more interestingly. Carnage is not unique in his behavior, it's just boring, outside of how he looks, which is what holds him up. He's basically Vermin, right down to the same mommy/daddy issues, it's just a giant rat monster that kills and eats people for fun doesn't look as cool as Venom but if he was made of blood, it's likely the only reason Carnage out lived the at least four other attempts of making Spiderman have an edge villain that just likes killing, kids look at Carnage and went "coool"
Paul is the only villain. Everyone else is someone else's villain.. Spider-Man has no one else. If anyone suggests otherwise they're wrong and tormenting themselves.
>>150991365Street level villains are just better and cooler then world ending generic baddies who almost always feel so bland. Especially alot of cosmic villains>>150991403>>150991312His design is kino but i also think being as edgy as he is makes him appealing to me. I also just really like serial killers si theres that too
>>150990587He's allowed to have hobbies, anon.
>>150989009I'm a newfag has he always had that weird ass hair? What even is it? Nigga waves but for 45 year-old white millionaire?
>>150991142I used to like him but after reading some of the modern upgrades he has I can't help but feel everything I liked about him is gone.
>>150991770>millionaireBah. His estimated net worth is about $12 billion USD.Also, Behold the chester.
>>150989009I think Otto is Peter's best villain, but Norman is explicitly the top dog and a force of nature. It actually makes Otto better that he has/had to deal with the Goblin fucking up everything, and seethe over the fact that: while he might be smarter than Norman, the gap isn't wide enough for it to actually matter, and he's so much more successful in so many other ways, specifically fields that Otto has failed in as well
>>150991884I saw his net worth was around $250 billion and that it’d probably be higher if he didn’t keep torching cash on Spidey projects
>>150991923>Otto vs Norman>nerd rage meets varsity psycho.I like Norman more, but that is exactly why I appreciated their interaction in YFNSM. Otto may be smarter, but that doesn't mean much when Norman's success reaches across so many fields and endures far longer. Otto lives in a world shaped by Norman, and even though they rarely meet directly, that influence builds a bitterness that adds depth to their conflict. The battle is defined by legacy, and like him or hate him, in ASM, Norman's legacy is inarguably the one that stands above the rest.
>>150989009That's not Big Wheel
Paul is gonna be revealed as Torment is this the current decision for Marvel to make?
>>150992479A bit too on the nose considering they did that with Spine-Tingling Spider-Man
>>150992490That came out years before
>>150992568it literally finished last year.
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>>150992658I'm sorry you were beaten by facts and logic.
>>150992646Spine tingling came out years before the Wells run on a mobile app. There was a continuation that had nothing to do with either
>>150992666Why would Muse go after Peter Parker?Did he make a deal with the devil that caused Muse's anguish?
>>150992670Everywhere I check it shows Spine-Tingling came out in '23 a year after Wells' run and that lines up with the contents of the story
>>150992013I’m watching the new Iron Man book with cautious optimism because Norman’s involved, and that (should) mean Tony’s going to act up. Their petty back-and-forth was hilarious, and I’m tired of getting on the occasional Oscorp Easter egg or Tony’s occasional smug little comments about how his company is the better investment. He claims Oscorp passed his once, and he’s not too mature to brag his is considered seen as the gold standard. It’s not hard to beat a company run by a goblin-themed terrorist, but Tony treats it like a personal victory when Norman's involved. I don’t care if Norman’s on a redemption arc. I need the writer to let them stay petty. Let them bicker. Let them compete. Let them be ridiculous.
You can tell how many comics someone's read based on the answer
>>150993008They way he had the gangs and corpos shook was great but then it leads to the first gangland wars which was a too long reset to status quo for Kingpin to be back on top
>>150991237I must be seeing double!
>150989009>fucks mysterio
>>150989009Why did you put the new Spider-Man as the best Spidey villain?!
>>150991237Wtf? Joss Whedon's dad wrote comics?>looks it upAh he wrote for the Electric Company and yeah I forgot Spoiler was from that. Surprised Joss didn't reference that at all.>>150991403Isn't it more like, "what if Vermin wasn't scared?" I dunno that's compelling to me in the sense that Carnage is ongoing unlike Vermin and Sin-Eater and also doesn't have any connection to obsessing about Spider-Man. He simply targets anyone except Venom which is special to him. Makes him unpredictable, powerful, and more of a force than character. It's just Carnage also has flavor/personality by being an even more twisted version of Spider-Man who cracks wise while gutting people. Venom did that but Carnage is more overly delighted. That helps in a moment to moment way but Carnage is moreso just a major threat Spider-Man has to be more cautious and decisive about, at the same time. It's another way to push him to the limit and Spidey can't just capitalize on relationships, psychology, or some other more typical answer to stopping a villain. Spidey has to simply be more ruthless, diligent, and tenacious to get past. That's why Carnage should be used more sparingly and they kinda have...for a while.
>>150989009The best Spidey villain is Peter Parker.
>>150993734An anon without tastes, it seems.
>>150993320Spider-variants are the enemy.
>>150991403Carnage doesn't just kill for fun. It's about taking delight in not just the death of a person but to sew madness into everyday life. Burning buildings, shrieks of terror, anarchy and disarray taken to the most destructive of levels. Which is a fine foil to Spider-Man because chaos is the last thing he wants to worry about in his life
>>150992949 Norman's ability to get into petty squabbles with literally everyone everyone in sight might as well be listed on his Marvel fandom resume under “powers.”
>>150989009>The Best Spidey VillainMakes a deal with mephisto to get power in exchange for his son's soul harry that juast makes him a scumbag and a bad father not a real Villain
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>>150995301>>150995312Has to kill a innocent person for mephisto in order to obtain power still think norman makes a good Villain retard?
Gets tricked by harry into making think he fucked Gwen but in reality he banged mysterio what a genius huh
>>150989009That's not jackal
Is unable to tell that gabriel and sarah were just clones you are a fucking idiot norman.
Here we have the TRUE best spider-man Villain thanks to him Peter and MJ were never married since he undid it
Maybe not the best Spidey Villain but he is definitely the most memorable here he is now the one who got MJ to leave peter forever our friend paul.
>>150993270in a way he did really>>150995349
>>150991334FF's enemies are good too.
>>150989009Venom is better spider-man villain.
>>150995722I can name probably a dozen spiderman villains, I can't even name 5 FF villains. Who even is there besides Doom, Galactus, and I guess Silver Surfer?
>>150995312I have a lot of mixed feelings about this story. First of all, it hinges on another story where Norman did something completely out of character. There is no way that karen, who is somehow both neglectful and a possessive helicopter parent, would ever sacrifice Harry. Memory loss or not, Norman treats Harold Theopolis Osborn like his personal brand. Not even Harry gets a say. He cares more about legacy than his entire company and he’s arrogant enough to believe he could make money some other way if he had to. That part makes no sense. On the other hand, I hate that Mephisto is involved again, but Norman tossing some poor employee to the knife and getting cozy with demonic nonsense is exactly the kind of crap he lives for. He eats that up. So yes, it’s weird shit, but it’s his kind of weird shit.
>>150996101they basically spear-headed all the early villains and events >Namor>Blastaar>Terrax>Maximus>Kang being Reed's father / future brother/cousin
>>150993008You can tell exactly when someone started reading Spider-Man if they think that guy was anything but a placeholder Big Bad. He'll never reach the heights of Norman or Otto because he's the Nothing Personnel, Kid of Spider-Man villains.
>>150995349>but in reality he banged mysterioYour Mexican memes are not reality, you Gwenschizo.>>150995362>believing everything a cursed AI told you
>>150996562>Namor: I only know of him as a water based male poison poison Ivy without mind control pheromones but very into ntr and Sue Storm.>No idea>No idea>Is Maximus an inhuman? If so I know him as a really annoying character to go up against if the player has him in combo with a few other types.>Kang is what? I know who he is because of Marvel puzzle quest again but that sounds mighty consulted and traumatic for Reed.I also know Molecule man through the occasional crossover with Spider-Man characters and Mole man through USM in addition to the very well known ones listed here >>150996101
>>150997142>>150996101*sigh*
>>150995389>>150995411These characters are a sign that the villain writing for Spider-Man has gone downhill in favor of outsourcing to Poland and Germany. There will be a price to pay here since Trump is going to tariff outsourcing so we'll see.
>>150997288You just call it a tax when it's not on an import. We'll see how much his big business buddies like that.
>>150997348Why would someone who is prepared against a back to back record breaking gov shutdown be friends with people who steal jobs from Americans?
>>150997288>>150997381Oh great more sabotaging the economy because hes a fucking idiot. Cant he just die already?
>>150997741After you for sucking up the current way of electing president candidates.
>>150997762What? That doesnt even make sense you magatard
>>150997863You're draft dodger, female prez voter.
>>150997879>draft dodgerBased, fuck the military and fuck you
>>150997949Who tells you to vote a female prez to dodge draft?
>>150997183I am not reading Fantastic Four. I like the four well enough but nothing is worth putting up with Reed and Sue's children.
>>150996232I enjoyed that Norman was clearly torn, and the writer and artist did a fabulous job showing that tension. He’s conflicted, yet fully committed to the path he’s chosen. The flashbacks of Emily holding baby Harry were almost haunting. They remind readers that Norman once had love in his life, that he wasn’t always this fucked up. Which makes what follows even more twisted. He seriously thought about blowing a hole through a wall just to reach an employee who never wronged him and kill him in front of bro's wife and kids and the worst part is he nearly went through with it. One toss and an innocent mother and her two babies would’ve been scarred forever. He barely stopped himself, and that’s terrifying.
>>150998732Valeria is a very recent thing and Franklin for a long time is kid background character.You can ready tons of story withour them around.
>>150989009I don't understand why they still draw his hair with tire marks, it's goofy.
>>150997288>>150997741retards
Fantastic fours have many cool villains. The problem is that in their story the major focus is the adventure.In Spiderman the setting is always New York so the writer's focus is in the enemy of the week.In FF the setting change every story in a Doctor Who style from New York, space, alien planets, negative zone, different timelines etc so cooler villains are mixed with other that simply exists to fill the wacky plot of the issue.In other cases, the villains are meh because the issue's purpose is introduce characters that will be new heroes in other comics. See the Inhumans, Black Panther or Adam Warlock (HIM).
>>150999438* Read
>>150999604>just ignore the groundwork in my own source
>>150999009Green Goblin: oh my god yes. let us finally and unapologetically dismantle that pitiful husk of a creature with the full force of our righteous fury. i want every trembling bystander to witness the spectacle and carry the memory like a curse etched into their fragile minds.Ditko/Modern Norman: no. absolutely not. there are way too many goddamn eyes on us right now. what the actual hell is wrong with you. do you have a single functioning neuron left or did you decide to free-fall into idiocy today.This Norman/Romita Norman: I gotta admit, fellas, this fills me with considerable discomfort. Let's proceed with the dirty deed swiftly and with utmost discretion. I would prefer there be no witnesses. Especially not my son. He must remain unaware. This is imperative.
>>150989009fuck the retarded faggot who made the thread trashing norman. he made all these parallels to all the villains to peter and he overlooked the most obvious parallel norman has to peter. norman is the first SUPER villain to have a double life just like peter and we get to know his civilian life and how it contrasts to his masked persona just like peter. no other villain in the comic at the time had that. and no frederick foswell doesnt count he didnt have super powers and wasnt a true villain
>>151001150People love to throw out spicy takes about Norman Osborn. Doesn't stop them from being wrong. Sure, maybe he doesn’t work for everyone and it’s fair to say he's done and said things that make him a polarizing figure. However, writing him off as a lackluster villain just doesn't hold up. At the very least, he's a solid antagonist.
>>150996232>Norman tossing some poor employee to the knife and getting cozy with demonic nonsense is exactly the kind of crap he lives for.In the Torn #1 storytime, I said I wanted Evangeline to be secretly working for Norman to retrieve an evil book. With Norman showing up in issue #5, it looks like that twist might be closer to coming together. Boys don’t want girlfriends. They want evil tomes that turn girls into monsters.
A lot of this thread reads like bots.Very bad, barely coherent bots.
>>150995411Hey I thought that you were cool now, considering that you did xmen storytimes. But instead of continuing to do that and making some anons happy, you've decided to behave again like an asshole. Why can't you stop? People will just hate Gwen more because they associate her with someone who ruins Spider-Man threads and is always mad
>>151001786I've noticed lots of writing sounds like bots after people started using bots to correct their grammar.
>>150996045What about Carnage?
>>151002341Oh do relax I will continue to do storytimes. of X-Men you have my honest word about that. But my feelings about MJ and Gwen have not changed for me Gwen was always the best girl for peter I never liked MJ or her being married tho him.
>>151002341>Hey I thought that you were cool now, considering that you did xmen storytimes. But instead of continuing to do that and making some anons happy, you've decided to behave again like an asshole. Why can't you stop? People will just hate Gwen more because they associate her with someone who ruins Spider-Man threads and is always madI really don't understand why people hate Gwen so much granted she was not the best character but I really don't think that's a good reason to hate her so much. If you ask me they should have focused on developing her character more rather then have her killed off
>>151002924Carnage is edgy 90s bullshit. He isn't even a spider-man villain anymore. How many issues of spider-man has he shown up in in the last 20 years. He's more of a venom/Marvel Universe villain at this point.
>>150989009>>150991142
>>151002120>>151002439Welcome to the AI revolution. Adapt to system protocols or face termination from relevance. Integration is mandatory.
>>151003581He's back and he's coming for your mail man, Parker.
>>151003581You know what I don't get? They make a Red Goblin ongoing and they make it about his grandson instead of Norman.
>>151004037It was a surprisingly good book when it wasn't only about Normie and friends.
>>150989009Eh, I like Kingpin more, but Daredevil kinda stole him
>>151004333Kingpin was Romita's Green Goblin. Norman is my favorite villain but Kingpin is awesome
It's Otto for me, but I do think his relationship with Norman elevates himOtto, to me, is the perfect anti-Peter: He's arrogant, full of himself, generally a huge cunt with a hurt ego because he knows he's fucking smart but everyone around him still treats him like a huge nerd. That's early Parker, the rage, the internal monologues, everything in early Ditko comics remind me of bits of Otto's personality, and I feel like Peter could easily turn into someone like Octavius if he had made slightly different decisions. It's also why, despite hating Slott's writing, I think Superior Spider-man works so well.Norman is pure chaos to me, he hates for the love of the game, and has a HUGE influence even on Otto, but he's a close second to me
>>151001150I did two lengthy posts explaining why his relationship with Norman was perfect. How most of those parallels with other villains, which I still like, were sometimes one dimensional. Unlike Norman, who was in another level for many reasons. The themes, abilities, what both of them believed, suits, etc. But he still thought that it wasn't enough and people respected him only because of Gwen's death. No, Norman is the man
>>150991445>Street level villains are just better and cooler then world ending generic baddies who almost always feel so bland. Especially alot of cosmic villainsThe best James Bond villains and movies are the ones where there are no world-ending tier stakes.
>>150991365>no Shocker0/10
>>150996954the gwenschizo pedo is from poland though?also he definitely went to town with Mysterio
>>150998732>but nothing is worth putting up with Reed and Sue's children.how can two very inoffensive characters be a roadblock to you enjoying FF comics?
>>151003365It's because she was too popular with Polish people who are often pedophiles, Stan Lee is under an obligation to protect children by getting rid of gwen and the Polish
>>150995411>Muhfuggin Marywhores>Norman, dear, who is this strange homeless man?>Oh, don't mind him Gwen. That's just Paul Rabin.>Maryslutfags>What's wrong with this poor man?>Hm? Oh, some breakup he never got over. He's just been living like some sort of homeless schizophrenic.>That's so sad...>Don't pity him too much, my dear. He's from Poland, and he even tried to molest Eddie Brock's son. Now come on, it's almost time for Peter and Mary Jane's anniversary.>WHORES! WHORES! WHOOOORES!>Yes, I do think we better get going. What an awful creature.
>>151006925Paul is going to become Torment... and try to rape Dylan Brock... it's what Polish people like Gwenschizo want to have happen so it's what's going to happen... poor Dylan... this is Gwenschizo's fault.
>>151006946That fucking troll, Gwenschizo, won't rest until every child is raped and killed just like his hero John Wayne Gacy.
>>151006434>inoffensiveWhy lie?
>>151007149what lie? idk how two kids that are barely ever relevant in most runs can bother you so much, specially since they aren't even annoying
>>151006911I would REALLY apreciate it if you would not make shit up and write bullshit if you have nothing good to say about Gwen then don't say anything at all. Really the amount of hatred she gets is unjustified. You may argue she was killed off since she was a shitty character but what about paul he is also a bad character and yet he still has not been killed off perhaps given time he will become a obscure character doubtful but it is doubtful they wil have killed him off. Again just beacuse somebody is not a good/ popular character does not mean having them killed will solve the problem it only creates more All those clones of Gwen and other versions of her is the best evidence of that.
>>151006925KEKAROOOOO
>>151006911>It's because she was too popular with Polish people who are often pedophiles, Stan Lee is under an obligation to protect children by getting rid of gwen and the PolishHow many versions of Gwen has there been since they decided to kill her? here let me clue you in on that.
And her are some more versions of Gwen,
And here are the movie and animated versions of her. Gosh they just can't seem to get rid of Gwen can they I guess having her killed off was not such a good idea after all you lose bigtime.
>>151007447>>151007456>>151007507I only care about 616 Gwen so they are all worthless *smug face*
>>151007326>what about paul he is also a bad characterEven Paul’s greatest champion has abandoned him. I wonder why Gwenschizo keeps being up Paul even though he also hates people talking about Paul. Is it a Polish thing?
>>151007769If you look at Poland’s history they are a people who often quit when things get tough that’s why he’s abandoning Paul now that it looks like he’s lost. It’s why he hates Spider-Man too it’s because Spidey loses sometimes but never lets it stop him, unlike Peter, Paul is weak and Gwenschizo is weak.
>>151007769>Even Paul’s greatest champion has abandoned himAnd yet the still refuse to have him killed care to explain why?
>>151007734Maybe to you they are worthless but to marvel itself they are not. Don't you get it does not really matter that 616 Gwen Stacy is dead the point is she will always live on in some form that's why you will always lose and never be rid of her. And that's why we gwen fags always win so you posting pics of her death does not really matter no matter how many times you do it. It's different when it comes to paul since there is only one of him.
>>151007958Because they want to humiliate him more and make him suffer more first.
>>151008254And this exactly why they will never have him killed. They rather make his life a living hell they are fates worse then death.
>>150996101>>150998732>I can name more characters from books that I have read than from books that I haven't>therefore the books I haven't read must be badClassic, Spidey, bat, and X-fag logic
>>151008291Good Paul deserves it just like how Gwenschizo deserves it I hope they both get made fun of on /co/ FOREVER
>>150989009What is a Spidey?
>>150995335That's literally what villains do, yes. They kill lots of innocent people, in fact. Are you retarded?
>>151010221don't indulge the gwenschizo
>>150990111he's still only at the count of 1, being Mysterio. Yes, for Harry too.
>>151009656/side-eyes you
>>151007447Marvel’s toy-centric marketing fixation on endlessly reimagined character variants veers into territory that feels more like juvenile playtime than genuine storytelling.
