What went wrong?
>>150991022Slice of life cancer, TTG, and a strong desire from execs to infantilize the brand
>>150991022CN REAL
>>150991022CN went downhill after they cancelled Codename: Kids Next Door in 2008 imo
>>150991031It had a concrete ending, show lasted 6 seasons and a movie.
>>150991022>cancel their last remaining good show (Mao Mao) and stop making new ones>Become teen titans go channel >Add preschool block to attract kids who'd rather watch brainrot on their parents iPads instead>Cede entire evening to Adult Swim so you can't have cool cartoon blocks like Har Har Tharsdays and action fridays anymoreThey stopped being a serious network is what happened
>>150991057I get it, but I still think classic CN was over when KND was cancelled. CN Real was shortly after in 2009. And most people would agree that post-CN real stuff like Adventure Time or Regular Show isn't part of Cartoon Network's golden age
>>150991069I still dont understand the hard on for mao mao. Sure it wasnt as bad as shit like craig of the creek or the fungies but i found it to not be funny at all. The last CN show i truely got invested in was OK KO and i stopped watching anything new on the channel after SU future ended
Is that shorts program from years back still coming or did it get cancelled?
>>150991095I know they all got made but theyve been sitting on them for half a decade at this point. The sooner zaslav falls out a window the better
It was the Boston Bomb scare of 2007
>>150991090Fag
>>150991022Rebecca Sugar not only did she destroy adventure time, but was then rewarded with that with her own show, and then her husband was rewarded with his own show, and then their friends were rewarded with their own show okko, we bare bears, infinity train, Craig of the creek, Victor and Valentino. etc. In the end, however, appealing to blacks, transsexuals, retards faggots and tumbler/Twitter users doesn’t translate to viewers thankfully,
>>150991022Can real, then >>150991028 this shit.Adventure time was the harbinger of almost everything awful to come. It was good at first but the writers got out of control and the show stopped being weird and funny to just weird most of the time.
>>150991069Mai mao wasn't good, it was an oasis of mediocrity in a desert of shit.
>>150991022the incident with the moonites from aqua teen hunger force in boston Massachusetts. or the CN Real shows or teen titans go show.
>>150991022>>150991234Having the PPG movie premiere at the same time as MIIB in 2002, which screwed over the Samurai Jack movie which culminated to a lot bad decisions that led up to Boston
>>150991022In 2007 a prank that went horribly wrong. Look up everyone they fired/force to step down after that stunt, it was most of the OG company that green lit all the shows in the 90s and early 00s. The new team pushed and made that CN REAL shit that everyone hated because they were all former Disney/Nick executives and writers. We need a time machine to stop Dave and Matt from pulling that prank.
>>150991022Lack of a diversified portfolio of shows and the death of children watching TV. But really what killed it was two back-to-back mergers. As bad as everything else may have been CN still maintained a creative autonomy to them that mergers took away.>>150991069>Added preschoolLol, preschool is like CN's Tron, CN keeps trying to make it work because only Preschool and Adult animation have had any real staying power for animation on TV anymore.Speaking of, I wonder CN never was able to crack into Preschool the same way it did for Adult animation. I want to believe the talent at CN can make good early development shows. I theorize it's probably because preschool requires more production infrastructure and oversight compared to the shoe string, borderline exploitative production environment that AS has ran on over the years.
>>150991786Preschool shit goes against everything CN used to represent so i felt it was a betrayal of their former values. The complete selling out of cartoon network
>>150991022Steven universe
>>150991022Boston
>>150992305it wasn't THAT bad.
>>150991325>CN REALThat was the death of CN right their, for nine months, NINE FUCKING MONTHS only 4 hours of the 11 hours of CN's broadcasting time throughout the week was actual cartoons, the remaining 7 was this dog shit awful stuff.You hate noodle arms shit like Adventure time or bean mouth Gumball/Steven Universe? Guess what: it only happen was because they fucking purged their network of animation for nearly a year because they thought no one wanted to watch cartoons on the cartoon channel.
>>150991069mao mao was just beanmouth shit but with animals
>>150991022Lack of edge. The original cartoons knew how to push the envolope in a way that was okay for children. Powerpuff girls, a show about little girl superheroes, was still allowed to be violent enough to show mild blood. Basically, the show was safe for kids, but it wasn't SAFE for kids.The Simpsons show is like that where nothing that could corrupt kids is shown, but they still know they can have swearing, blood, and even sexual imagery at times. And the funny thing is Cartoon Network wouldn't even need to go that far to become cool again. Just look at how far the original Samurai Jack took things and work from there.
>Time Warner overestimated the amount of adults who watch cartoons>Their originals couldn't compete with Tom and Jerry, Scooby-Doo and other classic Time Warner owned cartoons>DragonBall Z did a better job at appealing to 6-12 year old boys than The PowerPuff Girls>SpongeBob not ending after the movie and Camp Lazlo (and Chowder) couldn't compete with it
>>150991022Stopped giving a fuck about trying to be a competitive channel around 2014, and moved majority of the content to HBO Max in 2019.
>>150993672Wrong
>>150991022AOL
>>150991022Stopped watching after they took Destroy Build Destroy off the air. What are they playing these days?
>>150991831Not true. CN was supposed to be a repository for Turner's then recently acquired classic animation library, serve as a platform for Hanna Barbara's new shows, and celebrate of ALL forms of animation, which included preschool animation. Big Bag and Small World were debuted in 1996 one year after What A Cartoon was made 1995.CN only airing original productions and only catering to a specific demographic is more of a betrayal of its original values than having a preschool block.
>>150991022infantilizing most shows and not caring about animation.
>>150994840Preschool shit does not and never will belong on CN. Cartoon network is meant to be an edgier animation channel not a cesspool of toddler slop
>>150991022Their CN Real experiment failed disastrously, which forced them to bring back Toonami and overcorrect their kid's shows by letting them get away with TV-PG content. Once their viewership stabilized, then they overcorrected again by reducing their remaining lineup to preschool slop while sending everything good about their brand to streaming services.Toxic corporate culture between the other brands, along with taking on corporate mergers, metastasized their unhealthy corporate health to get us where we are now.>>150993704Toonami had edge, but Adult Swim IS the edge, with the problem being that they blew their only chance to foster a cool kid cartoon scene right after the AT/RS era ended.
>>150991022>What went wrong?Making diversity and representation the focal point rather than the entertainment.
>>150995444>and overcorrect their kid's shows by letting them get away with TV-PG contentThat was great and that should've been the norm going forward instead of regressing into TV-Y preschool cancer later on
>CN should only be edgy animation for boys!You get what you vote for.
>you have control over CN>i mean total control>as if the entire studio got sold off and now you are the single private executive>you keep the channel slot and all the blocksWhat do you do anons?I would do a total reset back to 2007 commercial times, 2007 budgets, 2007 staff, 2007 tone of programming. only shows that get approved are>Must be TV-PG bare minimum>No contemporary politics>HARD cut off at 7 PM.>Toonami starts at 7 PM, ends at 12 AM until they fix whatever the fuck is going on with licensing over there>Adult Swim from 12 AM to(hear me out)>8 AM.>Why 8 AM?I want Adult Swim to end their block with 2-3 hour movies starting at 5AM or so. not that the viewership would be high, but just because it has not been done before.
>>150995828>Posts a roster that consisted of 99% retard humor toddler slopWhat did anon mean by this.
>>150991022Harvey Birdman AaL's creator kept getting promoted to fire people with more talent. >>150991296>have one movie flop>give up on theatrical CN filmsCN could never make good decisions.
>>150995844>trying to adopt a 2007 cable TV model to the modern streaming marketplaceWow, what a brilliant plan.
I noticed it going downhill the moment CN City ended for that stupid fall song that they played for a year and a half. The actual shows didn't really get bad until they started canceling (and not rerunning) most of their core roster for CN Real. But I still point to that retarded channel block change that I noticed even as a dumb kid.
>>1509958442007 is a weird period to pick and was arguably the point CN started to lose a lot of its original identity. Why that specifically?
>>150996095This is so goddamn true right down to the detail of that fucking fall song. I hated waking up to that shit every single day.I was embarassed to watch CN for most of my late childhood because of shit like Fried Dynamite and all the imports from Canada.The late 2000s were a fucking creative dead-end for cartoons.
>>150995948>TTG>Toddler humorhttps://youtu.be/UY09EnD_Pak?si=Rwf6D0zJu_76zNw6
>>150996145>video with "kill" in the title has YTKids brandGreat job, Youtube, you're really killing it.
Might as well post this reaction image for posterity.
>>150996085it'll lose profit either way so might as well have fun with it.>>150996125because there's a whole bunch of production bloat that simply was not there in 2007. i mean what viewers see, commercial times were shorter, and shows on average were less restrained.mind you this isn't for profit but you could conceivable make a ton of profit by shilling to nostalgia and even cutting costs by advertising 4:3 aspect ratio as an actual selling point for media themed from that time(where tv was still pretty much SD.
>>150996230https://youtu.be/y4fdm5gdvnE?si=DkbH2gfkf7J-p-H0
>>150996311>production bloatI mean, production in animation was probably much more complex and "bloated" in 2007 than it is now. Nowadays production teams are smaller than they were in 2007 and more work is put on individuals.Likewise the increased commercial time and split screen credits were broadcasting conventions that mostly started a few years prior.
>>150991325Honestly, I had a brief flicker of "Boston deserved it," when it actually happened at the marathon years later.I'm sure absolutely no one who called in a fucking lite-brite were injured in the later event, but fucking hell the hatred in my heart at the destruction some retards in that city wreaked upon my childhood...
>>150996883kek, Jesus Anon, it's just it's just a channel for dumb cartoons; you shouldn't be that in touch with your inner child.
>>150995828TTG isnt edgy its slop for babies>>150996145Yes it is toddler humor, fuck you
>>150996928NTA But i cheer on violence in the news when it happens to people i dislike like that tool song vicarious. I would watch livestreams of mass shootings on /pol/ and laugh
>>150996930What toddler shows features one the heroes willingly murder innocent people in cold blood?
>>150996967The way they sing about waffles and do inane shit makes it a toddler show i dont give a fuck about what happens in the TTG movie itll always be retarded shit for 6 year olds
>>150996953>I would watch livestreams of mass shootings on /pol/ and laughYou can't shoot people through the internet.
>>150996723>Nowadays production teams are smaller than they were in 2007 and more work is put on individuals.
>>150996979K, wuss
>>150995844I would throw money at toyetic shows making CN the toy and merch network and try to steer kids away from phones and tiktok and the like.Lots of parents want their kids to not only go outside but be safe.Agressively go after epic for fortnite, mojang for minecraft, and roblox collabs as well as have a website and youtube page, Have readily available DVDs and Blurays and merch.All stuff aimed for the 11 and under crowd will be happy absurd some scary situations that characters navigate with thinking courages and listening to trustworthy adults.More teen aimed stuff will be more early adventure time regular show and infinity train type stuff. Bit more mature stories with minimum to now lgbtqa pandering. Adult swim is for more adult cartoons and certain adult anime to Toonami adult swim at 6-9 Specially curated and a few funded anime from 9 - 12 12 - 5 is Randomation, more mature anime cartoons and ova can be anime can be cartoons like...."Lucky day forever" some flash toons from portions of the net that were p[opular for a while but dissapeared and cartoon movies. Anything goes. And frequently currently popular cartoons and shorts are shown for no reason other then someone thought it would be interesting.
>>150997104very interesting idea anon, ty for sharing
>>150996989A major change in the scale of TV animations production team is the loss of the Layout Department. There is an ongoing debate in the TV animation industry about how this has lead to an over extension of the storyboard artist's job:https://animationobsessive.substack.com/p/when-is-a-storyboard-good-enoughIt's even effecting anime:https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2022/08/05/the-layout-crisis-the-collapse-of-animes-traditional-immersion-and-the-attemps-to-build-it-anew/
>>150997436pretty interesting read desu
>>150991022They simply stopped caring.
>>150996095The final nail in the coffin for me was Chowder and Flapjack getting shown the door. I will always think Adventure Time's success had such disastrous repercussions on the network and ultimately the animation industry as a whole
>>150998657Why though
>>150991028Good LORD what's happening back there!
>>151002505"Quality animation?"
>>150991022Nothing. Everything is going right with this money pit's collapse. Everyone here is too old for cartoons and removing this shitheap is the first step in healing America truly.
>>151002931Kill yourself normalfaggot scum
>>150991022Regular show stop airing
>>150991022As many Anons have mentioned before:It was CN giving in to the lawsuits waged against them even though it was the police and Homeland Security's fault for being a bunch of dumbassholes for thinking that their light up ads were bombs.CN should have taken their asses to court instead of giving their asses to them!
>>150993839They didnt overestimate the popularity of cartoons with adults, 90s CN was very popular with adults
>>150991022As many anons have said, the Boston incident was the first fatal blow to CN. The change of CEO's brought the real action batch of programs that failed Then the network was not healthy enough to confront the TV Networks crisis that started a few years ago after the streaming services boom. The pandemic only intensified this. CN tried to recover by copying its biggest competitor at the moment, YouTube Kids, so they tried to turn the channel into a content farm exploiting the popularity of TTG and they tried to create a new big hit for this demographic with the projects from the preschool block but besides the TTG (children love to see the same thing again and again) all those project failed.I'd also say Zaszlav also fucked up the channel (alongside all of Warner) but I think the Discorvery x Warner merge is just another consequence of the streaming crisis.If you think about it on retrospective, it's the perfect storm.
>>151002931>Healing America.You really believe in that hillbilly bullshit?
>>150991022>Mooninite bomb scare which led to firing the guy that made CN's golden age happen>"Yes!" era>Cancelling Toonami>CN Real and airing reruns of live action shows like Goosebumps>Shows like Flapjack and Adventure Time getting popular>TTGO spam>action cartoons getting cancelled and replaced with tryhard wholesome chungus/weird and obnoxious shows
>>151004250Shut up, homo
>>151004563You forgot the back-to-back mergers that cancelled a bunch of shows and messed with the production of shows that were airing and the closing of the CN Studios building.CN Studios is basically in the same place HB was in the late 90s when CN first took over.
>>151004563Don't forget>adding a bunch of filler C*n*di*n cartoons
>>150991069>Add preschool blockI don't know why they keep trying, Disney and Nick already have that monopoly, it's too late to enter that race!
>>150991022Does it do wrong now?
>>151006031Isn't it pretty much dead now? That seems like doing wrong.
>>151004565Can it, white trash.
>>150991118Sperg
>>151004730>Why do they keep trying?There are only two CN properties that make over a billion in revenue; Ben 10, which makes 7.85 billion in revenue, and Powerpuff Girls which makes 2.52.
>>150991022>greenlights "edgy" TV-PG content in early 2010s>old content all retroactively re-rated TV-PG to match adventure time and regular show>now to get a TV-Y7, it needs to be pbs kids-tier baby shit>trying to be edgy led cartoon network to be more sterile than ever before
>>151006454Edgy CN should've been the status quo from their on out you retard. The push for baby shit was because if an exec change anyways
>>151006533>Edgy CN should've been the status quo from their on out you retard.i agree. kids shows were always too sterile to begin with>The push for baby shit was because if an exec change anywaysyeah, but all their old shows being in the same category as shit like the simpsons and koth really didn't help with that at all
>>151006587>i agree. kids shows were always too sterile to begin withGlad we agree. Also yeah dexters lab reruns shouldnt be rated TV-PG
>>151006080Sneed, tranny
>>150991022They used to have a good system of regular new episodes of shows, even if they were often just 15 minute installments. They gave that up to imitate streaming services with daily marathons that destroyed their schedule. Nobody had any remaining reason to tune in, so nobody at that point even found out when some new project existed. The only remaining customers were basic cable moms that couldn't afford good enough internet to stream, but still wanted to use the TV as a babysitter.
>>150991022Everything
>>150993630Nigger, CN Real was only on for like a fucking hour a week. Most of the time it was shitty direct-to-DVD movies from yesteryear and Johnny Test. The dogmatism surround fucking Cartoon Network's downfall is so fucking unhinged and detached from reality that it should be studied in universities.
>>150991022We don't have Cartoon Network now.
>>150997005NTA, but if you’re calling TTG, the toddler version of Teen Titans, “edgy,” you might actually be retarded.
