Its a loona episodehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu12or7uOHE
>>150993653This is just the pilot but worse.
>>150993653This was on prime already
>>150993653It’s just the reanimated pilot.
>>150993661I miss Pilot Stolas so much
>>150993653Been watching Helluva and Hazbin con interviews. Its so weird how all of them will gas up Viv's writing, but admit they don't even watch the show.
>>150993811>Viv's writing, but admit they don't even watch the show.Wait deadass?
>>150993777no you don't trips just says you're a contrarian and it is a convenient hook for your contrarian bitching
>>150993674I don't have prime and I didn't see anyone post links for it>>150993661watching this halfway through and I already agree
>>150993830A fan came up asking about what a line that Stolas said meant and only Richard Horvitz attempted to answer, even though Stolas' VA was onstage too. Another time, a fan asked about critique of the show, and Mille's VA said something like it doesnt matter cuz Viv is a genius.
>>150993920that doesn't mean they don't watch the showthat just means they're too scared to actually answer anything in fear of vivzie sitting on them
okay but when are we getting something that's actually new
>>150993934Next year, probably. Vivziepop is focusing on Hazbin Hotel season 2 right now.
This is just a plate of spaghetti!
>>150993661I like it better than the pilot
>>150993920So much talent wasted on this shitshow. Hope midziepig is appreciative
>>150993653That was infinitely worse than the pilot. The only good about it was that Medrano's self insert dies in it.
Millie confirmed Moxie has a small penis.
The stolas excusing is insane>You see, it was all Blitzo’s idea!
>>150993653>The pilot but worse in every conceivable way>Not even exaggerating, everything from the animation to VA delivery to general scene framing is worseYou know whatIf the next actual episode is this bad I'm done with this shitFuck this show man
>>150995621I'm already done. The "Put it Amazon Prime first then put it on Youtube a month later" kills all hype and discussion, unless you're willing to shill out to Jeff Bezos. Why couldn't Vivziepop does what Glitch does, where it's released on Youtube first, then goes to streaming?
>>150995621Just give up on it already. It's not going to get any better.
>>150995706Digimon, digimon are the champions
>>150993653...that was it? That was fucking BAD. What the fuck?
>>150995570That's why I said in the other thread -- it's contradictory to what we see in the first episode, where it's clearly established the arrangement was all Stolas' idea. But here, the blame is shifted to Blitzo in order to retroactively paint Stolas as less predatory. Yet all the problems that follow -- Stolas' infidelity, chief among them -- still remain. It's so pathetic on Vivzie's part.
>>150995716You forgot the digital monsters
>>150993920i can never watch those too much second hand embarrassment
>>150993653>Its a loona episodenot again, the Keisha episode was literally unwatchable
>>150993653I hear it’s Brandon Rogers fault for the Stolas sex scene
>>150993653Why are they rewriting history to make Stolas less shitty?
>>150993653>Its a loona episodeWhy did you lie anon? The whole thing was Blitzo and Stolas fagging out as fucking usual.
Really? why not release it on halloween which is also a friday this year 13 backwards spookyevildaywoooohahhhhhI get trump cut food stamps is she that desperate for food money
>>150993653Wow they really just took everything good about the pilot, removed it and replaced it with the shit everyone hates.
>>150993653I think the laziest thing they did was saying how they will never suffer any consequences for the assinationsI thought at first it was a wink over them getting in trouble in mastermind but then I remembered that no sinner ever takes revenge over themI know they said it just for that but it's still so lazy
>>150993653>Let's make the pilot but worse and also insert a bunch of shit people don't like that we're trying to force into the story so hard we're retconning itWHAT WERE THEY THINKING??????
>>150996037>but then I remembered that no sinner ever takes revenge over themWhy take revenge on them when you're outnumbered and untrained, when you can take your revenge out the one who hired the hit?
>>150996076It's very obvious that they got sick of people rightfully saying the pilot was better than the gay drama in season 2. So they decided to retcon it and make it so that the shit we're complaining about was always there.
>Remember when Stolas was an asshole and a rapist>Let's retcon that so Stolas is retroactively an UWU soft gay boy, who did nothing wrong Vivziepop is the George Lucas of indie animation.
>>150996129There's no way they're actually that petty that they'd expend the resources to do this just because people don't like the direction the show's going in, right?...right?
>>150996114Because they only take hits from people in hellAnd I would feel some type of way if I was living my life normally and then three red midgets killed me and I get sent to hell because someone there was bitter about it Also sinners are supposed to be immortal in hell while imps have one life so there's nothing stopping someone from just suicide bombing them every day
Did they remove the scene where Loona kicked and killed the baby?
>>150995655You think she had any say in the contract? It's fucking Jeff Bezos we're talking about.
>>150996141Frankly I don't know which is worse: They actually ARE that petty, or they've decided to retcon the pilot because they realized the show's turned into something that's no longer compatible with it. Either way this almost feels like a shark-jumping moment to me.
>>150995996I didnt watch it, I just happened to check my phone while I was on the toilet and saw it was upload it 5 minutes ago and rushed to make a threadAlso I like to make furfags seethe
>>150996153>And I would feel some type of way if I was living my life normally and then three red midgets killed me and I get sent to hellBe a better person and you won't get sent to hell.
>>150996169Glitch successfully strong armed Jeff, though
>>150996177If I'm a person living on earth how do I even have hard confirmation that hell exists or Christianity is the actual path?
>>150995541Of course it is. I'm surprised it hasn't shrivelled away to nothing with how little masculinity he has.
>>150996204No they didn't, Murder Drones got syndicated to Prime only after it ended
>>150996214You don't, but that shouldn't stop you from being a good person.
>>150996204>strong arms Amazon, they can release their show after its done>Netflix kneels and begs to air TADC, they allow it Glitch is too strong, corpos kneel to the indie gods.
I said this before and I'll say it now: moving Helluva Boss to Prime Video was a kick in the balls. The show was mediocre on YouTube, but they could be lenient with it because it was a web series. Now they expect us to pay for this crap?And to top it all off, they have the nerve to upload the episodes a month later on YouTube. A week would have been acceptable. A simultaneous premiere would have been appropriate, but this, this is a middle finger.
>>150996667Honestly, having it premiere and then unlisting it would be the better choice
>>150996667what gets me is people who claim HB is still indie, when I'm pretty sure getting budget and aired on a main streaming service is the definition of selling out.
>>150996667I get this for normies but is anyone HERE not just gonna torrent the prime version?
>>150996700>I get this for normies but is anyone HERE not just gonna torrent the prime version?Good point, I actually have a copy of the episode on my hard drive from the first thread a month ago.
>>150993653Is this even worth giving a watch? I almost clicked on it earlier but I just can't be bothered with Hellaverse stuff anymore
>>150996768Read some of the responses in this thread. To put it very simply: No, in fact it's basically an attempt to change the pilot to make it fit the current canon better, but done worse across the board.
>>150996768It's 11 minutes, just fucking watch it
>>150996768if u don't like hellaverse stuff why even ask that? it's more hellaverse stuff.
>>150996781Yeah I'm reading through the thread now, yikes. Can't believe it's gone this far downhill. There was a time where I loved what Viv was making but now? Man, I really hate it.
>>150996799Same here, the worst thing is that I get so attached to the characters that I want to know what happens to them even though I know it's going to be a poorly written piece of shit. In short, I hate the creative team.
>>150996768Nah, it's just a worse pilot.
>>150996859Being an Alastor fan post-pilot is like 15 9/11s
>>150993811The only good thing Viv ever wrote in this series was that women aren't funny.
>>150997215And even then she stole that joke from the Harley Quinn show's first episode
>>150993661Yeah, they had to make it lame and gay to match the tone of the rest of the series.
>>150995332>Hope midziepig is appreciativeHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
>>150993653Almost forgot this place discussed it. Got to grossed out by the sheer spam of nothing threads, forgot some anons ACTUALLY watch.This was funny.
>>150997566>Muh reference to an old-ass memeNo, no it wasn't. Everything about this fucking sucked ass.
>>150997566I laughed at that part and Millie and Moxxie making pic related faces while kissing
>>150997566>kills vipziepop as a jokeThey know we hate her
>>150997796
>>150997566>>150997796>Everything's just a paper-thin reference to some meme nowYup, pack it up, show's over here folks.
>>150998170It was a fun reference. Don't be an overreacting Randy.
>>150993661The Pilot was rough as fuck and half of it was spent on family Guy esque cutaway skits
>>150998209>>150998215
>>150997796I was beyond happy. Came out of nowhere.
>>150998170>>150998229You must be fun at parties
>>150998209Those are two separate references to lame internet memes that are already outdated. That's the humor this show's going for now? Fuck you, I'll react exactly how I want.
>>150998236And also with you, most normalfag insult of all time. The Spongebob reaction image isn't even me, I name all of my shit. I'm sure if you referenced the epic Family Guy death pose at a party you'd be the life of the conversation lmao. Get fucked.
>>150998242It's funny when Smiling Friends does it and it's funny here. Sorry about your autism
>>150998255Okay
>>150998242>>150998255No point in arguing with the Vivzie Defense Force, dude.
>>150998236Vivzie is that you? That insult doesn't work here. Nobody on 4chan's ever been to a party.
>>150998284>Nobody on 4chan's ever been to a party.Pretty sure that's just you
>>150998300No, nobody on 4chan has ever been to a party. Don't pretend anon, we're all fucking socially miscast freaks here.
>>150998300No he's right. Being a kid and attending a Chuck E Cheese birthday party doesn't count. I sincerely doubt that anybody here's ever been invited to one, everyone's an autistic-ass motherfucker here.
>>150993653Welp, I've been holding onto this for a while but I'm out. This is the last straw for me. Changing the pilot? Nah dawg.
Ya know, despite a lot of the valid criticism that I agree with, I can't help but still enjoy the new pilot and the show. It's like I know it's trash, but I like a lot of the music and other things and do enjoy rewatching scenes I liked.
>>150998328>>150998340I'm fairly introverted yet I've been invited to a few parties with high school friends and coworkers without even trying or wanting to go. Ironic for you guys to bitch about references to old internet memes when you're falling for Fox News stereotypes about this site from 15 years ago
>>150993653Weird retconI never saw the Shark People as higher status than Imps
>>150993653Ehhhhhhhhhhh, I kind of hate to say it but I agree with a lot of the sentiment in this thread. Was there really a point to this? It just kind of feels like it's tearing down the walls of the original premise to accommodate for the direction they decided to take things. It's the pilot episode but with worse animation and voice work, and made to fit into the current series. I dunno man. There's a certain point where you have to kind of step back and evaluate what you've sunk your claws into, and I feel like I've been sinking my claws into a whole lot of overly dramatic stuff that's willing to throw past characterization under the bus to keep it going. If there's no real consistency, what's even the point to the drama in the first place?
>>150998426Yeah Millie kills like 10 of them in a season as well and most of them seem to work for Crimson
>>150998426Everyone is higher status than Imps.
>>150998444
>>150998449That's because Millie is a killing machine.
Loved the pilot, definitely better than the original>AlsoAlways a pleasure to read all the disgusting bigots seethe over a cartoon
>>150997489Man, I remember seeing people posting this during the Ashley streams and thinking ‘there’s no way Viv would drop literally everyone after all the time, effort, and verve they’ve put into making this fandom what it is!’And here I am, five years later, and no-one remains. All were dropped and cast away after hundreds of hours of fanbase interaction that, honestly, did a lot of legwork for the series.Michael: goneMick: goneEdward: goneAll the others: goneDropped for no reason other than they didn’t suck a circumcised cock at some point. Everything that made this fandom and IP special was sacrificed the nanosecond Viv could get it greenlit.Say what you will about TADC and other Glitch-slop, at least they engage with their fans AFTER they hit it big.
>samefagging this hard
>>150998236>>150998280Funnily enough I fucking hate parties but didn't think this episode was that bad. Not great but not terrible.
>>150998544You’re either an exceptionally retarded Jeet or a very poorly programmed Clanker.
>>150998581Neither, I'm a white Irishman. Can't stand being around that many people for that long, sets me off.
>>150998581Yeah, I was going to say... where was this faggot during all the other threads? It only appears right when new stuff is posted, be it official releases or leaks... and only to defend Vivzie.
>>150998515
>>150996859>the worst thing is that I get so attached to the characters that I want to know what happens to them even though I know it's going to be a poorly written piece of shitYES! I WANNA SEE MORE OF MOXXIE AND MILLIE BUT THEY DIDN'T GET DEVELOPED ENOUGH AND NOW WE ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO ARBY'S??? Fuck my life>>150996909It's so bad. I guess I can kinda see where Viv was going with him? Like make him seem like a big bad that actually has his own problems but it was done in the lamest way possible, dude was just immediate turned into a jobber when he could have been built up to some sort of mask-off moment that would have changed everything.
>>150998544>>150998581>>150998605I’m going with badly programed clanker, since even a retarded Jeet would pick up on the context and choose not to post a response.
>>150998686Nah I'm just kind of retarded, a clanker wouldn't have the wherewithal to know it was even being called one as an insult. I hate parties but kind of liked this episode, I don't get what's setting you off about it.
>>150998544>>150998605>>150998699You're not allowed to hate parties because that suggests that people that like this episode aren't fun at parties, thus ruining my attempt at an insult. Sorry you fucking chud.
>>150998729Well damn if you were just shitposting you might have well said so, carry on then.
I have something in the works, an animated series of my own. All written and animated by myself. Next to zero budget but I'm going to give it my best shot. If possible, I want to undo the damage that Vivziepop has done against the portrayal of demons in modern media. It's so lazy and disrespectful, in a way. And such a waste of potential. Her appied knowledge comes off as her simply skimming through Dante and the Lesser Key of Solomon. Or not even that, more like she used Sparknotes. There will be signs when it's out there, you will know that it's me because I will show easter eggs that prove that I am of this board.
>>150998686>Be me>Grew up with Star Wars the Clone Wars>As in, I was there from the beginning, even saw the movie premiere on CN when I was 6.>Have known about the term "clanker" ever since.>Everyone now uses it, even here on 4chanGod, I feel old
>>150998328NTA but I've been to parties, but I'm unironically the guy that hangs around at a corner
When I read pilot I thought "the original pilot with minor adjustments to appease suits at Amazon". This is an entirely different fucking thing. What was wrong with the original pilot? Unless they really are that petty about people calling them out that Stolas and Blitz are unredeemable shits and the only good thing about this show is M&M and Loona. This version is the fujo toxic shipping version applies real fucking hard.
>>150999318You were born in 2002 and you think you feel old? You're only 23 buddy, it gets sooo much worse.
>>150995655>The "Put it Amazon Prime first then put it on Youtube a month later" kills all hype and discussionohhhhhh THAT'S why /co/ has been more tolerable this year. I was wondering what happened.
>>150996165They retconned that it implied she had syphilis
>>150999561Viv absolutely is that petty, yes. For an early example: KenDraws wrote a huge chunk of the Hazbin pilot (hence why it felt completely different to anything else in the Hellaverse), yet Viv purposely didn't give him credit until he made a stink about it.
>>150997489>>150998524Why did she do this? The OG cast spent years drumming up support for this show and Viv just dropped them like they were garbage the second Hazbin got picked up. Why wouldn’t she take them on board and uplift her fellow creatives?I mean, Glitch pretty much picked most of them up and are now eating her breakfast, lunch, dinner, and everything in between while she gawks on Bezos cock. But the question still stands: why did Viv have her staff get so involved with the fandom and then discard them like used toilet paper?
>>151000219I still miss Pilot Alastor…He was the first character I ever got autistic over.And now he’s trapped in the permacuck chair.THEY KILLED MY BOY.
>>151000219Is there something wrong with Viv's brain where she still stuck in the "you can only make it big if it's on broadcast television" mentality like it's the 1990's or 2000's, except network TV's been replaced by streaming? Or she's such an egomaniac where she has to put her stories and characters in front of literally everyone, and in order to do that you have to replace the original VA's for big-name TV/movie/broadway actors to appease suits to get your garbage on the bigtime.
>>151000408I have a theory that she has a particular liking to some voice actors and already had them set in her mind before making the show.Not a good theory, but something.
>>151000305Me too. Pilot Alastor was potentially limitless crazy powered only tempered by his whimsy, like Q. Just another thing I filled me with hope and hype ripped out of my hands and smashed upon the rocks before my very eyes.>still mad about the Mass Effect trilogy
>>150993653So this just confirms Blitz has a micro dick and projects onto Moxxie right? His cock and balls dont even sag past his shirt...
>>151000674Imps are able to retract their genitles
>>151000700Dude, imagine that thing coming out while it sounds like a lightsaber.
>>151000552Sorry, Anon. Idk who that is, I don’t watch a lot of TV.But Ed Bosco’s version of Alastor made me swoon. Like, an arrow was shot through my heart.And then they turned him into a Redditor, who I fear is gonna be made into Lucifer’s housewife. How could they make such a whimsical little guy into such a fucking nerd?I’M FUCKING HEARTBROKEN.
>>151000408>you can only make it big if it's on broadcast television/streamingUnless your name is MrBeast this is just the plain and simple truth, and even he sold out to streaming
>>151000752>Millie can tell if Moxxie finds other girls attractive by the sound>In all the time they've been married she only hears the sound when he looks at her
>>151000752>>151000772KEK
this is what i have been waiting for
>ctrl+f "abort">0 resultsSo did it already happen or is that plot thread just swept under the rug?
>>150995621I gave up ages ago, I never even finished HH. There's a handful of characters I like and I just check these threads from time to time to see how badly they've been fucked up.
>>151001312We'll see next season
>>151001367Abortion it is!
>>150998624Made a few improvements
>>150993653This show is so fucking weird, I WANT to like it, and yet I can no longer bring myself to watch it. It's honestly impressive how an entire cast of potentially interesting characters can all be so consistently mishandled.
>>151001449Its a well known fact that vivzie is pretty good at character design, but horrible when it comes to writing
>>151001449Really goes to show that writing is the backbone of a project and how without the whole thing goes limp
>>150993653>"Indie" animation>its the exact same empty pointless faggy slop with feminism and gays jammed into it behind 15 layers of detached irony that you would get from anything completely mainstream
>>151001313I mean, it’s only 3 hours for Season 1. Even if painful.Though I watched if drunk and high with classmates.
>>151001478Its not even just the designs but everyone has pretty interesting set ups. >Moxxie as a foil to blitzo>Millie as an example of true love in hell and imp life in general >Loona trying to figure out her life and future living with Blitzo>Blitz being the loser asshole with big dreams who is now waaaay in over his headAnd we've essentially gotten none of that.
>>151001478>No cleavage
>>150993653Vivz is now erasing the false promise made when this show started. It was only a matter of time.
That bit about Blitzo getting mad at swearing and Moxxie say "half you're vocabulary is the f word" screams of Vivz still being pissy that people still make fun of how her writing is full of excessive cursing. "Written by VivziePop" will always be associated with overused and unfunny swearing.
>>151001655Everybody reacts to her name on a property like a fucking mark of sin.I remember when the Homestuck pilot was announced and people were PANICKING, just at the thought of her being near it.
>>151001716I found it funny how apologists were saying how she'd write well and tone down the cursing for Homestuck, and in the first episode the characters curse more then they did in the entire Homestuck saga. (For the record im not a homestuck fan and have only read like 1/10 of the interactive comic out of morbid curiosity years ago, but I distinctly remember there was barely any cursing).
>>151001747Nah there's parts with quite a lot of colorful language once you get about quarter of the way through.
>>151001790Well I already got a bit bored of it before even reaching a quarter lol so I guess I didnt reach it lol
>>150996037The closest was that fangirl wanting to stalk Blitz after she became a sinner.
>>151001800It's not for everybody. Better than those who skip directly to those parts.
>>150996153I think what stops this from happening is that these shitters find out Hell is a fun place in this universe, like that professor that turned out to be a real asshole and was glad to reunite with his fellow science bro.
>>151001817Only so many people can be psychotic enough to vibe with the chaos of Hell's Pride Ring, there's gotta be some Sinners who were just normal assholes who hate being on the receiving end consistently
>>151001830Wait until you find out what happened to Pentious.You’re gonna be so fucking confused.
>>151001747Not just the writing. JUST HER NAME.And people started FREAKING. THE FUCK. OUT.
>>151001865Voldemort type shit
>>151001865Only on here and certain pockets of Twitter, and that's less because of Viv and more because of how insular and touchy the Homestuck fandom is
>>151001985Or maybe her writing is hot cross ass.Look at how she >turned HB into a YAOI>made Lucifer a baby back bitch>made Alastor a fucking redditor>made Charlie into an unstable toddlerDo I need to go on?
>>151002014>>turned HB into a YAOIBuddy who do you think the Homestuck fandom is
>>151002026I’m not part of the Homestuck fandom, but I saw them PANIC on Twitter and Tiktok.
>>150993653>loona episode>pan through the seekbar>bunch of thumbnails of stolas flopping around like a fagyou almost got me.
>>151001449Just reminding you that all of the characters are supposedly in the caste system of Hell. But a lot of the people, who are supposed to be on the higher rankings, are often times getting shat on by the ones who are in a much more lower end in the caste within the Hella-verse.
Bump
>>151002212To be fair any episode that has Loona in it could be considered a Loona episode. She's the least featured of the main cast.
>>150995655The real issue when it comes to this tactic is that Helluva Boss is a badly written show. People only went viral with this show because they did NOT need to surrender extra money to watch it. It was on Youtube for free. People aren't going to pay money to see this dreck.And even Hazbin Hotel is somewhat fizzling out people don't really want to pay for a show that says actual evil demons and sinners are innocent snowflakes. People will pirate this show but lose money on it? No.
>>151003490People don't really wanna play Kingdom Hearts because it is a bad game.
>>151001844Pentius according to the leaks is full blown innocent. He never did a crime. He never was a hostile human being in life. He got thrown into Hell because he refused to risk his life defending a woman from a serial killer. That's it. Logical fear and hesitation makes you a sinner.
>>150996153What makes it worse is that Blitzo doesn't even bother arming himself with angel weapons to scare the sinners like how Striker manages. And Blitzo doesn't even consider keeping his main HQ outside of the pride ring to stop sinners from wrecking his office. And Blitzo also openly advertises his illegal business to the point its awful writing that Satan and the higher ups in Hell don't close him down.
regardless of your opinions, this show still gets millions of views
>>150993653loona is the nortubel of helluva boss
>>151003597So does zombie simpsons and reality tv
>>150996129The pilot was not good. The mini episodes they've so far show that the show would have failed if they kept their focus on hitmen shenanigans. See how no one thinks the mini episodes are any good like the road rage one or the mafia family one. The most stand out short is the Good Human one and it only hurt these characters because it turns out they don't mind killing good humans. This entire concept was always doomed to failure.
>>151003597Have you seen the viewership? Its gone WAY down in recent times. Helluva Boss is not considered trendy and such. Its probably a better watch than Knights of Ugly Tumblr Shit Females but that's not saying much.
>>151003626>>151003635good, it's just edge for the saking of being edge
>>150993653>ficanon goes on hiatus>drop HB threads all together since it's just waifufaggotry like everything on this board except storytimes and single threads>check ao3>mfw there are 3 new chapters
>>150996793>>150996799Okay yeah I watched it anyway and... what the fuck? I can't really put my finger on it but it's so over the top that this new version of the pilot just feels insufferable rather than how the original pilot felt. And I've also noticed how the vibe has been contextualized to make Stolas much more innocent than before so that Blitzo's later crash out is more justified I guess? So fucking lame, I would have loved if this story empathized the power and class dynamic between the two but nooooo that got thrown out the fucking window. God I hate what this show has become, it lacks any substance at all anymore
