But where was Ahsoka during all of this?
S1+2, at the academy, S3, with Rex
>>151002753Why would you call them the clone wars when the droids were the agressors? Shouldn't they be called The Droid Wars?
>>151002865Clones were a new thing
>>151002753Ashoka is not canon
>>151002753In between. Genndywars only shows the opening and closing days.
>>151002889I know that Ahsoka didn't exist as a character yet but this is still a good way to explain why she isn't there anyway, lore-wise.
>>151002899It's like someone writing a story set in WW2 but only showing the Battle of France and the firebombing of Tokyo, and then people are all like "See! The Soviet Union wasn't canon after all!"
>>151002882More canon than 2003 cartoon lmao
>>151002865Because George Lucas throws out ideas and works backwards. Back in 1977 in Star Wars the cast said:>Leia: General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire.>Luke: No, my father didn't fight in the Clone Wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.>Ben: That's what your Uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved.>Luke: You fought in the Clone Wars?>Ben: Yes. I was once a Jedi knight, the same as your father.This led to over twenty years of speculation of what the Clone Wars were and George being George always implied a lot of different things in those twenty years that got him cornered when he was stuck having to write the story. Thus we have this strange tale that doesn't add up in a serious amount of ways just looking at the 6 movies as presented. Again, that's the magic of Star Wars, create ideas and work backwards with them.
>>151002880They were not, even in Episode 2 it was made clear that cloning facility was one of many that planet did over at least centuries. At best you could make the argument a clone army at that scale was new, but that's assumptions made by us the viewers to make sense of the strange story. Also to be fair the franchise has always been strange with cloning and how viable it is.
>>151002920Just because the Soviet Union is canon doesn't make it any less of a retarded idea.
>>151003108honestly...an amazing example of the power of organic writing.>dude i'll just make some shit up later, it'll be cool. and then just proceeds to predicated the franchises' entire second wind of popularity in 2000s on it.
>>151003222ehhh, it's more a sign of how much rule of cool will get you with fans. Look at Boba Fett in the films:>Does nothing interesting in Empire short of tailing Han and then just grumbles at Vader>In RotJ gets owned by a blind man with a stickThat suit and style however, just made the fans go wild for him. Most of what held Star Wars up was everything BUT the writing and I think that's why Disney was so careless with the brand.
>>151002753stop fucking your dog, shitwarsguy
>>151003222It really isn't AOTC is fraught with plotholes and contrivances. Not to mention the amount of callbacks and references to the OT that can even make the Force Awakens and Rogue One blush. If anything it shows George can't write well when he is cornered by preestablished plot elements. The one thing he's always been good at is utilizing artists to produce truly unique and cool designs, he has an incredible eye for visual design despite not being able to draw at all.
>>151003327Or what?
>>151002753In the "Anakin kicks ass after getting knighted" montage.
>>151002865Why were they called the Clone Wars when its a galaxy spanning conflict and Clones only numbered like a couple million? Star Wars is dogshit at scale.
>>151003144In hindsight, storyline in picrel is leagues better than what the sequels did
>>151004468Yeah but the EU continuity has a lot of shit. Thrawn's great but who the fuck actually liked the Yuuzhan vong or Swarm crisis?
>>151002753Didn't exist and we like it that way.
>>151003969>he thinks the "unit" line means one clone and not one battalion aka a unit of clones
>>151004548From what I've heard the EU is something like Lucas approved playground that allowed writers to play with Star Wars stories and characters but he isn't obligated to use the stories from it.
>>151003327>shitwarsguy
>>151004899That's obviously what that means, retard. Thinking "unit" refers anything other than a single clone is peak cope.
>>151002865>the droids were the agressorsRepublic violated the NAP
>>151002865>>151005243This, fuck the Republic
>>151005011He should have at least adapted some of it, all the clone wars content from the EU shits all over whatever the fuck it was he tried to do with TCW.
>>151007151>He should have at least adapted some of itNo he wouldn't. That would've been lame.>all the clone wars content from the EU shits all over whatever the fuck it was he tried to do with TCW.Now you're just being a liar. 99% of the EU is fucking garbage and even what George made at his worst (which TCW conclusively was not) is leaps and bounds superior in quality to the best of what the EU ever produced.
>>151007274Shut the fuck up, Filonijew.
>>151007151agreed, at least there it felt like a war
>>151007151Nah. George and most of the people were pretty happy with how it turned out. You can keep your EU shit. It's not missed or relevant at all outside of your little contrarian circlejerk.
>>151002882cry about it
>>151002753I like how this series is a perfect "episode 2.5" that transitions into Sith more smoothly than the 3-D show and doesn't include massive stretches of disbelief like Ashoka, but because it's not "canon" it catches unwarranted shit from fanboys
>>151002882based
>>151007364It's the 3D show that isn't in continuity with the films, official statements notwithstanding. In the series the leaders of the Sepratists are evil but there are also many planets which are just sick of the Republic's corruption whereas in the film it's just a small group of what are basically gangsters and their robot soldiers. When Anakin kills them in RotS the war is over.In the show the clones are basically good guys and various Jedi show kindness towards them. In the movies the clones were always bad guys who'd do whatever they were told and the Jedi don't notice until it's too late. The brain-chip thing was a clumsy attempt to stitch the two ideas together that doesn't make much sense.
>>151007346It's not crying to realize that Ahsoka clearly does not exist in the context of the movies.
>>151007364There is nothing smooth between Genndy's little shorts and George's movies. They exist in fundamentally different realities and Genndy did not follow the Star Wars mythology proper, as Lucas himself said. Nothing that happened in those shorts could have happened in the world of the movies. And the plot of the movies doesn't make sense if they are the same characters as in Genndy's shorts. You are telling me that Jedi got fucked by a bunch of droids, Mace couldn't just fuck up 500 droids with his fists on Geonosis arena, and Yoda got stalled by a mid-sized pillar? Sure, bozo. The real explanation is that Genndy's shorts are not canon and never happened, and the characters simply can't do any of that. Your second mistake is assuming that Lucas was trying to make a "bridge" show with the 3-D cartoon, and not just an episodic show set in the Star Wars universe during the Clone Wars, which is what it was. Lucas did not need a "bridge". 2D show was just a bunch of pointless action vignettes, and nothing more. It never attempted to do anything, it had no characters, no stories, no arcs. It was a toy ad, nothing more, and can't be compared to real shows.
>glswarchives is begging for attention again after getting bullied off of TwitterSad.
>>151007473He's been at it for years and he still doesn't get nobody is ever going to take him seriously. Imagine wasting your life being wrong on purpose just to own le chuds on 4chinz.
>genndyslopGross.
>>151007512He's a literal Israeli, an inbred retard. Of course he'll never get that people hate him lol
*ahem*Fuck the EU, all of it, it was all bad. That is all.
are we dunking on filonijew this thread?
>>151007454>Genndy did not follow the Star Wars mythology properYeah, like giving the force physical representations right? Fuck off that shit is worse than some fun choreography that actually shows the force off in the way Yoda described it in Empire.
>>151007586You are low IQ. I am so sorry. You have my pity. But it's not surprising, your archetype is quite typical.
>>151007454>Nothing that happened in those shorts could've happened in the movies First of all the movies themselves completely contridict or fail to properly portray what the Jedi can and can't do, so this is a total nitpick when discussing the prequels and it's completely hyperbolic >Mistake in thinking he is making a bridge show and just an episodic show The shorts are more episodic than the 3-d show and there's no mistake. The Genndy stuff simply connects better with what's actually in the films. Like this anon >>151007423 said. All that shit about the clones being good guys, Ashoka, the drawn out drama with Dooku and Ventress and the witches is just shit. I don't even hate the 3-D, but you can't deny those "simple actions vignettes" just fit more comfortably between the movies
>>151007609Genndy's version of Grevious is fundementally different from the third film's. A badass cyborg warrior vs. a phony who's just Palpatine's puppet to control the other side of the war. The attempt to explain it with Mace Windu injuring him at the end of the shorts doesn't actually do it.
>>151007518Cope, troon
>>151007602Speak for yourself
>>151007555Yup, must be a day that ends in y.
>>151007554Wrong, disingenuous fag
>>151007609>First of all the movies themselves completely contridict or fail to properly portray what the Jedi can and can't doI believe George Lucas knows better what the Jedi can or can't do. He created the Jedi and the Force, and the original movies and the prequels. So no, it's not a nitpick. You won't get out of this just because you said so. The plot of the movies doesn't work if the characters are to be portrayed as in the shorts, and the plot of the shorts depends entirely on the way the characters are portrayed in them. The two are entirely contradictory and don't work, narratively or logically. Those are facts.>The shorts are more episodic than the 3-d show and there's no mistake.Not really. I struggle to even call the shorts "episodes", because of how short they are, and how little actual content there is in them. They are just vignettes. There is no narrative weight in them. 3-D show has a large variety of characters and self-contained episodes and arcs, which makes it an episodic television.>The Genndy stuff simply connects better with what's actually in the films.It doesn't, for the simple reason of being inherently contradictory in its depiction of the setting. Among many other reasons, like the characters being completely different, e.g. Grievous, or its events not being acknowledged at all in the films, like the ground battle of Coruscant.>All that shit about the clones being good guys, Ashoka, the drawn out drama with Dooku and Ventress and the witches is just shitNah. Characters existing and having drama and stories is what makes it an actual TV-show, as opposed to being a bunch of shallow toy ads for manchildren.>just fit more comfortably between the moviesAgain, they don't, for all the reasons aforementioned.
>>151007681Wrong. vong? Cringe shit. Legacy? Cringe shit. Bantam? Cringe shit. Dark horse? Cringe shit. You get my point.
>>151004548Personally, I liked the Vong. But with that aside, that’s what I’m trying to say. EU was a mess but at least the people who wrote books within that sandbox usually *tried* to make something cool. Dark Empire also is flawed when it comes to handling Luke’s character but golly I’ll take that anyday over Rise of Skywalker. At least it was cool
>>151007602Stay mad
Don't reply to Filonijew, all he wants to do is waste your time with autistic arguments that make no sense. Just tell him to cope and post the best version of the Clone Wars until he kills himself.
>>151007694You are cringe
>>151007666I am not the one who is incapable of understanding a franchise for children. Reminds me of people who thought George ruined the Force because he turned it into microbes. Like, people just plain don't pay attention and they are proud of it. I said you have my pity - I retract that statement. You are arrogant enough to be so confidently wrong without a shred of self-reflection. So no, I do not pity you. I mock you.
>>151007714This Newgrounds flash cartoon looks like shit. Might have been acceptable when you were 3 as a background noise, but quite embarrassing when you post it unironically in your 30's.
>>151007736>franchise for childreWrong, l*ddittroon
>>151007736Creating a microbe that is responsible for the force creates a shit ton of problems logistically. It's not just a matter of it removing Its mysticism.
>>151007755Keep seething
>>151007714Based. Of course he'll just start calling it Newgrounds flash shit because he's desperate for attentio->151007755Oh look, there he goes. Right on schedule.
One day.
>>151007454>It never attempted to do anything, it had no characters, no stories, no arcs.It's crazy that the toy commercial treated Anakin edging towards the dark side more seriously and showed it more organically than Lucas' cartoon. Lucas' answer to this fight and the episode with the cave vision and cyborgs was getting him to meet force gods that show him being darth vader and having him stab a terrorist in the back with a big grin on his face while obi wan scolds him like it's a sitcom
Hannah Montana with a lightsaber.
>>151007686>Not really. I struggle to even call the shorts "episodes", because of how short they are, and how little actual content there is in them. They are just vignettes. There is no narrative weight in them.NTA but Anakin’s story has notable narrative written into them. While not as fleshed out as we got in 3D Clone Wars, we got a pretty neat view into Anakin’s attitude and his eventual descent into the dark side. Also, his fight with Ventress and him curb stomping the Techno Union will never not be cool as shit. Side note, I don’t know people fight so much over which is better… both are cool and I’m glad that both exist, even if they are not compatible with each other and even with their respective flaws.
>>151007777Checked.
I've never seen TCW but conceptually it seems like shit.
>>151007803>inb4 seething about how Yoda can't do thisSize matters not, bitch.
I like both clone wars and can appreciate the pros and cons of both
>>151007824Watch ReBoot, Beast Wars & Shadow Raiders instead. TCW stole all those shows credit.
>>151007834Yesssss you’re speaking my language
>>151007834Oh yeah? Well I like the old one better than the other and think it's superior, but still respect that you like it.What now?
>>151007836>TCW stole all those shows credit.What?
>>151007859>what now?pistols at dawn
>>151007783Being disingenuous liars and retards are the core traits of all genndyfags, by the way.
>>151007859We all just sit back and… just enjoy what we like? Then debate about stuff we don’t like from both I guess.
>>151007783This fight was so damn good. Genndy really knew how to tap into that Lucas style pottery.
>>151007880Don't mind him, he is just a schizophrenic.
>>151007783>having him stab a terrorist in the backWhich is very arguably fine. Since when are warriors supposed to avoid killing anyone? This guy was threatening a boatload of people and Anakin killed him for it, ending the threat.
>>151007891Cope
>>151007929
>>151007929I respect his hustle.
>>151007984Hi, schizofag
>>151007930Jedi are diplomats first. They are warriors only as the absolutely last resort. While you can argue Anakin did what was necessary from an utilitarian point of view, he still very much resorted to murder, did it from behind, and was completely and utterly nonchalant about it, thus showing no remorse for taking someone's life. You could also argue there were way he could have stopped him without taking his life, given that he had a surprise advantage. But it tells a lot about him that this is what he thinks first and acts on it. The fact that it was acceptable from immediate utilitarian perspective is what makes Obi-Wan go more lenient on him than he perhaps should have.
>>151007930Exactly. He did a mundane thing, all of the characters present treated what he did very casually, but the imperial march still played lightly in the background as if it's deep foreshadowing lmao
Anything connected to the prequels is dogshit, stupid to argue over this.
>>151007984What truth? That statement does not even make any sense on a basic level. It reads like a schizo ramble - which it is, given your autistic obsession. A person like you can't be mentally well. A bunch of things that are completely removed from one another and share no logical connection.
I see comparisons between EU and canon Ventress, but I don't think they're quite comparable overallEU Ventress is someone who is a villain, she's liked as a villain because how ruthless and edgy she isCanon Ventress is someone who becomes a hero, she's liked for how her character arc and story plays outif we're comparing both as villains, then yeah of course the EU one is better, Canon Ventress is just villain of the week who the heroes can beat a few times, same with Grievousbut that'd be like comparing S1 Zuko to Azula as a villainthe character is two different things depending on the continuity, and she's always been great in both, she is a very well designed and underrated, it's a shame she's only getting a focus NOW as it's been a long time coming
>>151008041Good to bed Mike.
>>151007686I guess we have to agree to disagree because for every one thing that "contradicts" the setting in Genndy wars there's an equal if not higher amount of contradictions made in the films and the 3-D show themselves and even more when considering the two as the same story. Grievous is cooler, the Jedi are cooler, it's more stylized than the 3D with less dumb comedy and bad filler, they fit with the movies better than the 3d show. They are just all around better and only a Lucas simp would disagree
>>151008048>share no logical connection.>Hurr durr whats CGI?
>>151008057I like her markings a lot better in the EU. She also didn't look like a sickly hag there.
>>151008077the tattoos for the face are better on canon ventressand you can't complain about her appearance compared to the EU when the EU depicted her as either just a skull or a black woman half the timebesides, she looks better in later TCW seasons onwards
>>151008122She looks awful and giving her tattoo jowls is offputting.EU Ventress is the sex goddess every TCWfag acts like she is.
>>151008122She looks like a Llama.
>>151007824It certainly ended better than it started but by the last season it had become the Ahsoka and Maul show. And, if you're like me and don't like either, it's unwatchable.
>>151008147>looks like a black woman half the tineyeah..no
>>151008220I don't like the concept of Anakin having a padawan or Maul coming back, or the mind chips, so I'll probably never see it.
>>151008243She looks fine.
>>151008299now post the over half the times
>>151008424Speak Basic.
>>151008424I'll take this over some half starved aging harpy any day.
>>151008435>>151008462shieeeet
>>151008496That's black to you?
>>151008509
>>151007555That Ventress' Bad Batch design? I kind of like the space gambeson.
>>151008516
>>151008516I don't see a wide nose, anon. Still better than TCW's.
Filonijew is a faceblind autist.
>>151008537EU or canon, the art hasnt always been kind to ventress
>>151008580however since I wanna say, dark disciple, they've figured out a general design for how she's SUPPOSED to look and majority of art thats "live action" tends to follow iti.e "she's only in her late 20s/early 30s and SUPPOSED to be attractive"
>>151007834>the Dark Reaper The writer of that game had the nerve to imply that knowing how to avoid being fried by that thing was a contributing factor to Anakin becoming Vader, and I have to respect the audacity if nothing else.
>>151008609also elizabeth debicki shpuld play her in live action>>151008524yes, however the artist exaggerated a small detail on her outfit so it looks like a gambeson in that
>>151002753the entire 501st was running a train on her
>>151007454>Your second mistake is assuming that Lucas was trying to make a "bridge" show with the 3-D cartoonthere was an entire multi-media project centered around portraying the clone wars in roughly real time between episodes 2 and 3
>>151008799He knows, he's just a fag.
>>151007714based clonebro
