Do you prefer board driven or script driven cartoons?
>>151011995What shows are even script driven? Slop like Alien Force is I think but I don't know any others. It completely defeats the purpose of animation to be writing first. It's disrespectful. I bet creature commandos is one of the latter.
>>151011995I prefer good shows
>>151012024Script driven:Most adult animation including Simpsons Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom Phineas and Ferb revivalSpongebob post 2015Board driven:Spongebob pre 2015Ren and stimpyAll Genndy showsAdventure Time and Steven UniverseSome shows take a more hybrid approach like wander over yander
>>151012024>Slop like Alien ForceStfu
>>151012050Fence sitter
>>151012062>Shit>More shitAnimation is doomed
>>151012081Gtfo>>151012089this ain't tails
>>151011995The best option is the old school approach where you have dedicated professional writers who are expected to storyboard their work. Michael Maltese came up with Quick Draw McGraw’s “El Kabong” persona when he was storyboarding and wrote in the “Kabong!” sound effect.But if it’s a choice between script-driven and board-driven without full-time writers who have trained to structure stories, then I’d usually take the writers who can’t drawn
>>151012156>The best option is the old school approach where you have dedicated professional writers who are expected to storyboard their work.they still do this for anime in japan
>>151012156Pro writers who can draw are fun to see. Sam Simon boarded for a few cartoons before he co-developed simpsons
>>151012127Sneed
>>151012127Stop talking shit ,you retard, that shows aren’t even airing anymore
>>151011995Both can be good but a good chunk of 2010s CN shows (including OP pic) should have absolutely been script driven.
>>151012206> 2010s CN shows (including OP pic) should have absolutely been script drivenNah, AT is best as a board driven show
>>151012127Explain yourself
>>151012239No
>>151011995Script driven but the script writers have actual art and/or animation experience like The Venture Bros
>>151012251Well, in that case you are a retarded subsaharan faggot who should get beaten to an inch of four life and then covered in hornets, scorpions and scolopendres
>>151012081>>151012192>>151012202calm down chudsissy
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>>151012278>>151012353take deep breaths
>>151011995It depends. Board driven is classic cartooning, and works better for more comedic, episodic cartoons like Spongebob, Ren and Stimpy, or Adventure Time. More narrative driven shows like Avatar, or Gravity Falls work better with a script. I tend to prefer board driven.
>>151012374Sex
>>151012127Why the fuck are you even here? Serious question go on /tv/ or something
Fuck it, I'm not smart enough to tell the difference.
>>151013181One draws pictures, and the other types words.
>>151011995Script driven 100% Adventure Time was cool but stuff like Dexter's Lab, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and Ed, Edd, & Eddy show how script driven is superior and if AT had been script driven or switched to script driven past Season 2 almost all of its problems could have been avoided because the worst ideas could've been vetoed in the writers room and had a good alternative worked out.
>>151013432script driven would completely kill the feel of adventure time, hard no. So much of that show's appeal is in the weird shit the boarders would add.
>>151012024>It completely defeats the purpose of animation to be writing first.Get your affairs in order, your retardation is terminal.
>>151011995What does difference?
Most writers aren't actually very good writers, and most artists don't actually know very much about visuals.
>>151014169You mean it’s terminal to a shitty Hollywood career?Not everyone keeps their brains in a state of readiness for a big Hollywood opportunity that will totally come for you.
>>151013432>Ed, Edd, & Eddy show how script driven is superiorThis is why I don't get why people are even comparing this. Like you can have good writers who board, and expressive boarders following a good script. It's just wherever there's talent to make something good. If someone told be EEE was board driven I'd believe it.
Board driven for me. On shows like Flapjack it didn't make too much of a difference, but on Adventure Time and Steven Universe there were so many great, unique episodes that were just the artists expressing themselves and having fun
>>151013181You can usually read the credits. "Written & Storyboarded by" means it's board-driven. "Written by" and "Storyboarded by" being separate credits means it's script-driven.
>>151014783It really doesn't make a difference, but /co/ thinks that if the show is run by the storyboard artists then there's a greater emphasis on animation quality and that if the writers are in control then the animation won't be considered as important as the dialogue.It's not necessarily true, but a lot of /co/ doesn't actually read books, so they easily fall for that fallacy.
>>151014783Board driven: the writers give the storyboarders an outline, and the boarders write the dialogue/hammer out the specific beats of the episode. Script driven: the writers write all the dialogue and the storyboarders draw the action as described in the script. The distinction is not black and white. Sometimes writers will provide very fleshed out outlines, including scripting, for a board driven show, and storyboarders can have significant story input on a script driven show. Most shows are probably better served having a script, because writing/drawing are different skills, and doing both is a lot of work. Though there is a purity to the board-driven approach that I appreciate. In general, script makes more sense for dialogue heavy cartoons, and board-driven makes more sense for more visually-focused shows.>>151015446There's definitely a difference, but you're right that script driven doesn't mean the visuals will suck. Ideally you want the writers to know animation, and the artists to know how to write, regardless of the process.
>>151015183Reminded me of this articlehttps://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-ca-adventure-time-oral-history-20180823-htmlstory.html>Ward: I thought at first we were going to control it more with a script. I thought it’d take less time to write than to draw it. The first thing I wrote was “Finn and Jake make funny faces at each other." And that was the most boring thing.>Muto: In "The Prisoners of Love,” there’s a scene with the Ice King carting Finn and Jake; he’s pushing them up a hill. And he takes a break and pulls out trail mix and eats it. And the slowness of it, and the calmness of it — you could put it in a script, like, “He takes a break and eats trail mix,” and it would just get cut. But in a board, you can feel why it's right. It gives that he’s not just a pure villain, he’s a real guy and he’s just eating his trail mix, and he wants that last yogurt chip, he has to reach down and get it with his fingers.>Jones-Quartey: Pen would often set me loose and say, “Create something special for this moment.” The first time you see Finn’s hair on the show, that was a scene that I storyboarded myself. In “Mortal Folly,” where we finally get to see a great mushroom bomb, the way it turns into a huge mushroom cloud of skulls, that was something I created.
>>151011995>visual medium>"what if the artists took a back seat?"just make live action shit, thenthat's like putting story above gameplay in a video game
>>151016003Live-action is a visual-medium, too.
>>151015446Writers can't write engaging visuals. You're saying it yourself that they don't prevent animation QUALITY, but they can and do prevent animation CREATIVITY. Animation quality without creativity, effective acting, stories that serve beautiful scenes, etc is just wasted money hiring an overseas studio.
>>151016003>>151016014Are there any storyboard driven live-action movies?
>>151016031Orson Welles came from a radio background and he was able to do good visuals. I don't want to dicksuck for "le writer"-types, but it's not clear cut to necessarily say who can and can't be talented at what.
>>151016003this, writers aka show runners have been given too much power in animation to the point where every garbage animated show can be attributed to writers being the problemwriters should be treated as just another cog in the machine in a collaborative project >>151016064yes story boards are used to frame scenes in live action all the time but you almost never get told about them, because artists aren't valued as much as the onscreen actors or directors
>>151016126Directors (usually) play an important role in film visuals. Although mediocre ones rely on their cinematographers to decide shots and camera positions.
>>151016064Kurosawa painted his
>>151016064Walt Disney used a version of this for live action movies that lasted until some time after his death. The writers would storyboard every shot, write the dialogue under it, and then create a script from that.This is why his movies usually have incredibly stodgy visuals, because the director was expected to follow the storyboard and wouldn’t even move the camera unless the producers said he could.
>>151016064A lot of storyboards were produced for Star Wars.
>>151012278And you're a newfagged sperg, please jump into a woodchipper and your remains be eaten by a pack of mightyenas once for fucking all.
>>151016639All live action films have storyboards, doesn't make it board drivenBoard driven means that there is no standard script and instead an outline that can vary in detail. The movies provided ITT still had actual scripts/screenplaysScript driven cartoons still have boards as well.
>>151017047>All live action films have storyboardsNo, they don't. Some films, like (Lynch's Inland Empire for example) don't even have real screenplays or scripts. Because storyboards really are just a type of visual screenplay.
>>151016003The best DC, cartoon network and Nick cartoons were script driven, retard.
>>151011995None of you could even tell the difference without it being directly told to you.
>>151011995Why didn't Jake go crazy when he wore the crown?
>>151011995Script
>>151011995Board-driven for short gag highly comedic cartoons (six to eleven minutes). Board driven for highly experimental, limited dialogue, visually-driven stories. Script-driven for everything else.
>>151018784Oh I should add, for either of them, it is IMPERATIVE that you perform both versions. A board pitch must exist for the former. A table read must exist for the latter. I think we don't do these nearly as much as we should anymore.
>>151016944Slowpoke
>>151012312no fuck off and die
>>151017970Jake is canonically the most powerful being in Ooo, rivaled only by [some] deities.
>>151019643That episode was awesome. All my favorite Adventure Time episodes had lots of Jake focus, either as the focus character or in a comedic side role. I can only imagine how much fun the storyboard artists had with him.
>>151018816>>>/vp/
>>151011995they eatin the FUCK out those sandwiches
>>151020586Autist
>>151018804For feature films it must first be performed as a one-man show like Snow White.
>>151017396pic unrelated
>>151022387EE&E was script driven
>>151022489I know
>>151022331Racist
This is a difficult conversation to have because most people on here don't have a clue what those two things actually mean. Case in point:>>151013432>if AT had been script driven or switched to script driven past Season 2 almost all of its problems could have been avoided because the worst ideas could've been vetoed in the writers room and had a good alternative worked out.guys like this think that in a board-driven cartoon, the storyboarders create the basically the entire episode themselves
>>151023109That's good
>>151023262Based on what?
>>151024407Based on racism, that improved the world.
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>>151011995either or is fine to me so long as it's funny or engaging
>>151012062Wander was script driven; some notable examples of shows with a hybrid approach are:Spongebob post 2015CupheadGravity FallsAmphibia
>>151024407On sneed
