He should be a B Lister at minimum, how is a character so cool so underutilized?
>>151012729Marvel has a lot of underutilized characters. It's retarded. Both heroes and villains. At least they should put them on teams, or against unconventional foes, I don't know. But instead they waste time with redundant and and autistic things like Spiderverse and many unnecessary Spider-Man related titles
>>151012729He was an S lister for a time and fell off because writers are faggotsthere's a reason the first big marvel films were X-men, Hulk, Spider-man, and him (bladefags don't (You) me blade was reinvented as a character for those flicks)
>>151012729Because Quesada-era people don't understand the appeal of Ghost Rider and thought simply making him Johnny Blaze again would work
>>151012729Fucking wild to think Ghost Rider was once one of Marvel’s big four alongside Hulk, Spider-Man, and X-men
>>151012842Seems like Brisson, Percy, and whoever is doing Spirits of Violence at least know enough about GR to make an effort too bad GR is one of those characters that editorial despises
>>151012729>My opinion is fact no matter how poorly his movies did! I can't be wrong, I'll go ask 4chan
>>151012729Because Post-Crash Marvel was run by demented freaks like Joe Quesadilla and Jeph DeadSon>>151013063>ignorant worthless take>invincible reaction imageLike thunder following lighting and stink following shit.
>>151012729What's the appeal beyond "he looks edgy"
>>151013074>No really he's cool Guilt bombing cycle whoreHe's Iron Fist tier like Bishop
>>151013106If you have to ask you'll never know.
>>151013126Please continue being ignorant and stupid. You're providing mild amusement to people who actually know things.
>>151012729He probably got fucked over by some editor's nostalgia
>>151013106He doesn't just look edgy, he IS edgy.
>>151013133>people who actually know things.Like his mantle being passed around, his ability being misunderstood by multiple writers, being in a comic book so bad Chuck Austen created a pseudonym for his Poser art, and again his movie bombing
>>151013173Do you understand what this thread is about or what OP is asking? I don't think you do.
>>151012729He was huge in 1992 and Marvel made sure he appeared everywhere. The character never recovered from the bankruptcy when they cancelled half their books.
>>151013241I think of all the 90s characters, only War Machine managed to survive the 90s crash, and even he did not do well immediately after it either. The rest of the 90s characters had their books dropped, they were forgotten or killed off and that was pretty much that. >Darkhawk is a relatively unknown character despite being popular in 91-94>Thunderstrike is dead>New Warriors might as well be dead. Made into a joke and killed off>Sleepwalker 100% forgotten>Generation X is totally gone
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>>151012729Skeletons are illegal in China. Why invest into a character you can't sell?
>>151012729He looks really cool but he can't keep an ongoing so he's relegated to jobber statusWho would win in a fight between Ghost Rider and Captain Atom?
>>151012729I mean hes on fire, so thats kind of inconvenient
>>151013283M appears from time to time but I think her relevancy was saved by X-factor
>>151012729>how is a character so cool so underutilized? many such cases
>>151013193cute Ramona boobies
>>151013283Deadpool is the 90s character that managed to survive the decade But the deletion of 90s characters was not just a Marvel thing. DC has purged just about every one of their 90s heroes and villains too. The few that are left are incredibly obscure these days. Kyle Rayner, Tim Drake, Kon El, Impulse, Jack Knight, Ray, and all of their villains. Only maybe Bane made it through to the modern day.
>>151012729I wish he was a DC character.
>>151013033They whole reason Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, Hulk and Wolverine were the New Fantastic 4, they were the most popular characters at that time and they got guest appearances in any book that needed a sales boost
>>151012729GR movies and game are entertaining
>>151012729Blame China
>>151016831That's because silver age fanboys took over the big two after the crash.
>>151019004It's partially that (Didio and Quesada definitely were Boomers around during Silver Age) but also the narrative that 90s crash happened because of 90s characters (which was untrue) so they used it as an excuse to sideline them and bring back "classic" versions
The whole issue of why Ghost Rider turned into a giant failchild character is four fold. 1. Garth Ennis. The little faggot was patient zero for Ghost Rider the franchise being irrvocably fucked. Howard Mackie maliciously undoing the Ivan Valez run purely because Mackie was pissy that Valez actually answered the question of who the second Ghost Rider entity was, something Mackie has bragged about never ever intending to reveal save for confirming it was NOT Zarathos, could have been damage controlled by later writers. But Garth was in full "I don't give a flying fuck" mode when Marvel threw money at him to write a Ghost Rider mini in the late 90s and only had vague as fuck memories of the 70s Ghost Rider, so Johnny Blaze was suddenly GR again with ZERO explaination and the artist was pissed as fuck at this, as he wanted to draw the Danny Ketch version, that editorial threw their hands up and told him to draw Blaze (who's GR had a distinct visual different from the Ketch version) like he was the Ketch version. And Ennis himself going into full "fuck comic book fans" mode, basically saying he was writing for casual Hell's Angel biker enthusiest types, not fans of the franchise or even Johnny Blaze (who Ennis dismissively considered to be a Hell's Angel type biker and not a stuntman ala Evel Kenival like he was in his original run.
>>1510205902. Jason Aaron and Daniel Way. Both I'm lumping into this because their respective runs kept Blaze as Ghost Rider because "fuck you that's why" AND kept him in the Danny Ketch design because by this point Brevoort knows they fucked up and rather than course correct and bring back the status quo people WANT (Danny as Ghost Rider and Johnny as a bad-ass normal mentor, with a shotgun that shoots hellfire), they decide to kee dressing Johnny up as Danny in hopes of tricking people into buying the book. And more importantly, kept hard retconning shit and not even GOOD retcons, like restoring Danny's GR entity to his Valez origin (which is that he was an ancestor of Danny who was lynched for fucking a black girl and who's soul was then sold to the devil for added spite by his devil worshipping racist daddy). Instead, we get bullshit involving Heaven having Seal Team Six type Angel attack squads and Zarathos being retconned as one of those types of angels who was sent in to infiltrate hell and some shit. And when they did bring Danny back due to popular demand, they fucking treated him like dog shit before giving him an Anti-Venom type new GR spirit that no one liked and Aaron and Way kicked him out of the comic and back into limbo as soon as humanly possible, because both didn't give a shit about the franchise and were basically in a spiteful "earn a paycheck and hopefully get a better book assignment" mode.
>>1510206333. Brevoort FINALLY caved and replaced Johnny.... with a DEI spic who's entire character is the polar opposite of the entire premise of Ghost Rider. He rides a car that is haunted by the ghost of a family member and has no angst and pals around with other DEI heroes. BUT, in one of those insane twists, he's ACTUAL FUCKING POPULAR. Granted, a decade and a half of bullshit from people who don't understand the franchise is such that a clean slate character like Robbie Reyes was a palet cleanser of sorts. But he had a cool visual and an interesting character. Too bad he has a dick though. Marvel literally nuked Robby from orbit because he was way more popular and sold way fucking better than Sana Anamat's OC self insert Kamala Khan. Worse, Jason Aaron got his fucking mitts on the character and raped his lore because he had gotten super defensive about his rape of the Ghost Rider franchise by this point. 4. But this is the biggest one: NO ONE fucking knows WHAT TO DO WITH GHOST RIDER. People want him to be part of the greater Marvel Universe but no one wants find a way to organically fit him into it and have it be natural. Rick Remender wanted him to be part of the Uncanny Avengers roster but the sole annual featuring him was dogshit. Marvel keeps wanting to try and reboot the Midnight Sons line as an actual group, but they keep sticking A-List and worthless meme characters like Magik into the branding that defeat the point. We can't even get a revival of Nightstalkers with those three guys and Ghost Rider because Ryan Reynolds's crybaby ass made Drake and Hannibal persona non grata because Reynolds didn't get his spin-off movie like he wanted.
>>151020590The Garth Ennis minis are the only Ghost Rider comics I like.
>>151020673Fuck you
>>151021470Ey, take it easy.
>>151020590Devin Grayson and Joe Quesada brought back Johnny Blaze with Marvel knights 5 years prior. The Ennis mini wasn't even mainline.
>>151021587Also Ennis' second mini wasn't about either Johnny nor Danny so he rocked the status quo a little too.
>>151020590Ennis is based.
>>151023174I disagree.
>>151025076Agree to disagree then.
>>151012729i really liked his guest appearance in the 90s morbius run
