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>>151014762Yeah, that's kinda the point. They're elderly people in the early '80s (so born in like the 1910s) whose idea of war is WWII, they don't understand the severity of nuclear war and trust hilariously optimistic government propaganda. You're not supped to think they could have survived if they'd been smarter and come out of their shelter to have Fallout style adventures in post-apocalyptic bongland, you're supposed to think innocent, simple people like them don't deserve to die in a nuclear war because of psychopathic ideological politicians.
>>151014762The whole point of the movie was that they are naive but innocent still and too trusting of the government for their own good. Its really one of the best and yet most depressing animated films ive ever seen. Nukes are fucking terrifying
>>151014762it insists upon itself
>>151015062Not funny
>>151015070cope nigga
>>151015084you first fag
>>151015070>>151015084>autistic samefag seethinglol lmao even
>>151015081You are
>>151015111>no u no unice comeback but we know you're a bot and a tranny
>>151015036nah the apocalypse will be the shit. Weak will die, strong will survive. Collapse of society is the only way to fix this current fag planet. World Chemo Therapy. Radiation to kill the cancer.
>>151015104Not the same anon
>>151015123> you're a bot and a trannyRetard
>>151015197You’ll die first then
>>151014762dumb anti-americanism propaganda
The really frustrating part to me is how much of the instructional pamphlet actually worked. If they’d ignored it completely, they wouldn’t have survived the blast. I’m always wondering, if they had stayed holed up in the Inner Core or Refuge for the full two weeks, would they have been okay?
>>151014762They just followed the instructions of the British government perfectly.
>>151015197Cockroach appendages typed this post.
>>151015362And look the UK right now!!!!
>>151015306It was anti British you dumb redneck. Also Fuck america
>>151015362They didn’t. They were supposed to avoid exposing themselves to the fallout for two whole weeks. They walked out of their shelter in a matter of hours. Then drank contaminated rainwater.The instructions were conceptually sound. But they failed to communicate their reasons or importance.
>opposing nuclear war is anti-American or anti-British
>>151015389soon you all be purged from earth
>they had it coming because they were stupidYou didn't beat the movie.
>>151015306Cope and seethe
>>151015427Keep seething
>>151015394The shelter being a sheet and a couple of pillows, right? They were fucked from the moment the nukes were dropped.
>>151015327>I’m always wondering, if they had stayed holed up in the Inner Core or Refuge for the full two weeks, would they have been okay?No lol the whole house was contaminated. They just died faster, probably for the better.
So they WERE retarded and they DIDN'T follow instructions?
>>151015470They were never given correct instructions in the first place.
>>151015327the pamphlet is based off real sciencehide in a fallout shelter and wait 2 weeks for the radioactive ash to settlebut the pamphlet ludicrously undersells what a shelter is supposed to look like and its obvious to the readers that its worthlessmost shelters needed at least a foot of dirt and overpressure to keep radiation and radioactive dust from entering the shelterthey had pillow cases in their windowseven duck and cover was more helpful than what they got
>>151015394>two whole weeks.Wouldn't have saved them.
>>151015470their instructions were stupid and self-contradictorythere was even a scene where they question how they could keep the door tightly shut to stop the spread of fire when they already removed the doors to construct their shelter
>WHEN YOU HEAR THE AIR ATTACK WARNING, YOU AND ALL SHITPOSTERS MUST TAKE COVER>THIS IS THE SOUNDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnh7x8aU26g
>>151015452>>151015504This, they were basically breathing in radioactive particles the entire time. They were fucked and their naivety about the situation just served to get them killed faster, which frankly was probably better than slowly dying of radiation sickness over the next several weeks/months. Nuclear war is fucked.
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>>151015919I've just finished reading an excellent memoir of a British WWII veteran deployed to Burma.It's a bit of a tonal shift to suddenly see a British subject unwilling to commit terrible acts of violence for king and country and 3 shillings a day.
Which is better the movie or the book?
>>151016087the book
>>151016123Why?
Thank you for the storytime, always appreciated.
>>151016158The film mostly just has weird technical affects like the miniature sets etc the book gets the entire point across quicker
>>151015577>>151015566This two pages are good.
>>151015977Thank you.Also,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Pre8iaHYA&list=RDY5Pre8iaHYA
>>151015504>2 weeks for the radioactive ash to settleDon't radiation and radioactive last about a month or two?
>>151015599War sounds fun when you don't take part on it.
>>151015896This water taste funny
>>151016279The fond nostalgia for WWII in bongland among the silent gen who didn't have to fight in it (and weirdly, early boomers who weren't even born but you'd think from the way they talk about it they were the ones storming the beaches) is honestly something else. That page might seem like just more of Jim and Hilda's naive optimism but it's surprisingly accurate.
>>151015977It's so so much black comedy as it is tragic and upsetting watching these two die slowly. Thanks, anon.
>>151016158It does a better job at portraying when the wind rises.
>psyop’d into thinking fallout dooms the land into being a cursed wasteland of cancerous death >in reality radioactivity diminishes to nonlethal in less than 2 weeks
>>151015977I didn't except a storytime here, but I'm glad I stopped by. Thanks
>>151016505It doesn't matter because they were never truly protected from radiation in the first place.
>>151015197>>151015036>>151014987Nuclear war won't be as dangerous as in friggin Fallout.Some big city areas will get wiped out and Chernobyl'd forever, left to overgrowth. Some won't, because all the nukes wont even make it to the target.It will be a loss of life, but not the end of civilization. Friggin nuclear winter was debunked.
>>151017000>but not the end of civilizationI don't know about that. Do you think the people who survive would forgive their governments for letting it happen? What's that stat? It only takes like 3% of the population to topple a government. I think nuclear war would affect a much higher percentage of people than that.Fun fact: I read an article about the other day about billionaires' doomsday preparations, the author said he'd spoken to private security guards for these wealthy people on a condition of anonymity and they told him they'd basically agreed amongst themselves the first thing they'd do is kill their employers and use the shelters for themselves. kek.
>>151017134Governments aren't civilization.
>>151015327A lot of it worked, but some of it was also contradictory. The standout example was it said a door could be used to build a shelter, then later saud to make sure the doors were shut. The door had already been removed by then.
>>151017169No, but a coherent society is. Vital infrastructure would be destroyed, energy would be out, water would be out if not contaminated, food supply would be disrupted if not contaminated, leaders would either be dead or locking themselves away so there'd be no public order other than what those with the weapons to enforce it decide. And those people would all have their own priorities. Good luck putting all that back together in time to stop civilisation from being destroyed.
>>151017316People would figure it out.Most politicians would be completely useless in that kind of situation anyway
>>151014987Oh my god, is that the thing from Fallout London?!?!??!?!?
>>151015197>t. first man to get raped by mutantsWhat a champ, taking one for the team.
>>151015036Nukes are fake and gay.
>>151015197>Weak will die, strong will surviveLet me guess, you assume you're the latter. You think the bombs will drop and you'll get to be Mad Max. You're not gonna be Mad Max. You'll be the guy tied to a flaming stick on Lord Humungus' rig. Your skull will be some big muscly biker's soup bowl by Day Three, I guarantee it. "Oh, but anon," you say, "you are so handsome and very right, but all I have to do is raid a supermarket and I'll have plenty of food." Yeah, but what if you get to the supermarket and some other assholes already picked it clean? What happens when all of the supermarkets are empty and the whole supply chain that provided them with goods is now fucking nonexistent? You gonna become a raider? If so, see my first point.
>>151017000It'll be the end of the world as we knew it. and to get things back to some sense of normal, it'll be at least a decade or two of absolute fucking *misery*
>>151015936Fat ass
>>151015977Thanks it was pretty funny.
>>151017521I'm not saying it would be a cake walk but civilization would survive.
>>151017509>You gonna become a raider? If so, see my first point.NTA but raiding life won't be a cakewalk. You will have to constantly man up against other psychotics who may or make not rape or mutilate you because "laws gone, I do what I want". You think gangs don't do it to their own if they're bored enough?
>>151017572Yeah, exactly, you really want that to be your life? You think you're gonna be the badass macho man who kills hordes of bandits with one arm tied behind his back?
>>151017604I mean somebody would be, and you can at least work for him.
>>151017542and be absolutly traumatized. every single one.
>>151017614>and you can at least work for him.Oh, of course, I'm sure the wasteland overlords treat their employees well, especially because there isn't anything like worker's rights or unions or any kind of labor laws preventing them from literally enslaving people. Everyone knows the wasteland operates on the trust system, after all.
>>151017471I presume you're just memeing but for anyone who's not aware, those are the real "in case of nuclear war" materials prepared by the UK government the comic is referencing. Also the video clips have the most sinister fucking jingle they could possibly have come up with.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6U9T3R3EQg
>>151017641Yes I'm meming. I've seen this well before Fallout London was a thing.
>>151017625This is something modern people tend to exaggerate.At the start of the 30 years war there were a ton of doomsayers and apocalyptic prohpets running around the Holy Roman Empire but but the end people were able to take a much more rational view of the conflict. Things are only scary when they are new, when they go on long enough they just become a fact of the life and people adjust.
>>151017638Just because he's in the business of killing that doesn't make him a psychopath.In Britian especially the men best at violence have always also been the most genteel and chummy off the battlefield.
>>151017690I think you're underselling just how awful a Global Nuclear War will effect how society sees everything.The 30 years war is a bit small beans compared to that.
>>151017730A full third of the population died.I'd say the effects of global nuclear war are somewhat exaggerated in media in general.Naturally it would be terrible, but it won't be the end of humanity for all time.
>>151017316>>151017377What you would get is anarchy in the short term followed by a reversion to local polities of various configurations bound loosely together by military communication channels.In the end that same military apparatus will slowly bind nations back together with some areas at the margins becoming independent
>>151017798Switzerland will endure.
>>151017807Maybe snap up Lichtenstein and the Tyrol whole nobodies looking.
>>151017000i'm not trying to convince this anon because he is clearly just looking for an excuse to feel superior to other people. but if you are just passing through and wondering if nuclear winter has been “debunked” and how dangerous a nuclear war would be, read this https://thebulletin.org/2022/10/nowhere-to-hide-how-a-nuclear-war-would-kill-you-and-almost-everyone-else/
>>151017893Fearmongering to get funding for their nonsense clock.
>tfw never had to worry about nukes because I live in an irrelevant country in an irrelevant continent
>>151017988Same except I had to worry about earthquakes.
>>151017169>Governments aren't civilization.Not in the world of Monarchy being forcefully overthrown, no...
>>151014762well everything Bryan Talbot makes is fucked up, it's kinda his signature
>>151017979>Uhhh I'm too based and red pilled to beleive in the world ending. Onions boys? Nah more like Bok Choys...
>>151018060Civilizations create governments, governments do not create Civilizations.
I live near a couple of military bases. If the powers start lobbing nukes, I guess I'm done for. Oh well.
>>151018051I don't either lol>No earthquakes>No tornados>No floods>No nuclear warThe only thing I gotta worry about is not being poor.
>>151018086Again, not in a world where the Government has no responsibility to the people under it.
the lesson is never bring an elderly couple from a children's bedtime story into a nuclear war
>>151018137No, it's "Never trust the government, ever, in fact you would probably be better off doing the exact opposite of what they tell you"
>>151017719But we're not talking about Britain, we're talking about the post-apocalyptic wasteland, and the only rule there is: the biggest, strongest and meanest bastard around makes the rules.
>>151018101They are separate things regardless, I'm not sure what point you are making.
>>151018156No, it's "British 'people' are all fucking idiots"
>>151018159It's still Britain, just a bit spicierThe giants and snake legged women will come back.
>>151018166Do you think civilization, as we know it, sprung up spontaneously, or did it require someone to plant a flag (or something) in the ground and say "This is mine!"?
>>151015977Thanks anon.
>>151018382The first oneMaybe I just have a broader definition of civilization.The Sentinal Islanders have a civilization, such that it is, they manufacture weapons, they have some rules of etiquette.
>>151018449And if our (as in, shared between you and me) current notion of civilization collapsed, we would get along and form an "etiquette" like theirs?
>>151018484Probably not as extreme, we have a different cultural history than them.It's not like all skills and knowledge will be lost forever.
>>151015896WELP
THE CAKE WILL BE BURNED!https://youtu.be/oxUZmnORIT0
>>151014762Watch out, Radioactive Man!
>>151017764>it won’t be the end of humanity for all timeYes it fucking would lmaoAnyone trying to argue that thermonuclear war has been oversold is genuinely fucking stupid
>>151018800It would not, you dumbass. Radiation from nukes is a LOT less powerful than most people expect, and there are plenty of spaces that just straight up would not suffer from it at all. South america as a whole, if i remember correctly, isn't even within the range of most missiles.
>>151018818>radiation from Nukes is a LOT less powerful than people expectCitation fucking neededDo you think every nuke is an airburst? They’re going to slam into the ground pushing radioactive dust everywhere around the globe
>>151018852Dumbass, do you think that nukes are like in Fallout? You think that everything's gonna be green and there'll be mutants and radiation everywhere forever? Dumbass.
>>151018874Fuck no, I think everything is going to be fucked and there’s not gonna be some silly 50s radioactive mutants running around, I think the vast majority of people are going to die horrible, painful deaths, and a minority of people still alive will scrounge out meager, miserable lives as the environment continues to break down due to huge amounts of radioactivity poisoning ecologies across the world. Do you have some proof that wouldn’t happen for some reason?
>>151018533>we have a different cultural history than themCorrect, we have a history of Kings ruling after one royal family by another, which has only been halted for about two and a half centuries.
Good Iron Maiden song though.
>>151018943>Do you have proof my retarded fanfiction based out of nonsensical dreaming isn't going to happen?I don't remember the part where japan was turned into a sterile lifeless shithole even though it was nuked twice. Just don't drink the fucking cancer water, retard.
>>151015197This guys dad must’ve kicked his ass when he was a kid
>>151018970Generally, sure Not quite everywhere.What's your point?
>>151018978Do you have any fucking clue what the difference between modern day thermonuclear warheads and the atomic bombs dropped on Japan? Do you have any idea how many more of them we have now? Are you genuinely fucking stupid?
>>151019038>Do you have any idea how many more of them we have nowDo you actually think China and Russia have all those warheads up in shape? Furthermore, we've already seen bombs as large as the Tsar Bomba being dropped and of course it did jackshit to europe besides the initial shockwave being felt in some parts of siberia.You are stupid. Go play more fallout or something retard.
>>151014762I am too much of a little bitch to consume the source material.
>>151019065>the tsar bomb being dropped in bumbfuck nowhere Siberia not affecting Europe means there’s no worries about a bunch of multi megaton warheads being dropped all over the continent and every other continent on the planetOh so you are genuinely stupid, got it.
>>151019119Yes anon, every single warhead reported in the world is DEFINITELY being maintained at top shape. They definitely aren't old cold war pieces of shit that have missed parts since the 90s. They're definitely perfect ICBMs who will make their way across the world and blow up everything and make it all look like fallout.Maybe you should start building your inner core or refuge if you're so worried.
>>151019119You should’ve realized that he was retarded when he doubled down without proof to back it up.
>>151018991>Not quite everywhere.Sure, maybe in tribes that never grew beyond 150 people.>What's your point?That civilization, as we in the West know it, depends on some level of force keeping it together. We've just had the "brilliant" idea that the one calling the shots should be voted, instead of simply being, for less than three centuries.
>>151017000It's not really the radiation and contamination, although that will be quite bad especially for locations downwind of the initial strikes, it will be that in the course of a few hours to few days a strategic level nuclear exchange will erase the plurality of civilian infrastructure necessary for life. It will become a matter of hundreds of thousands and eventually tens of millions of people dying as readily available food and clean water are rapidly consumed and the fraction of emergency services who survive being totally overwhelmed and unable to cope with even a fraction of the people in need. Most cities can't last more than two weeks on backup power when major stations go down, and within a month they will be garbage, feces filled disease nests with no clean running water or other utilities besides what people can cobble together with backup generators. It would be a catastrophic shitshow, primarily because of how totally dependent 90% of the population is on an completely uninterrupted supply of power, water, and food which is not maintained by them.
>>151015197VERY based
>>151014762yo these two are WAY more retarded
>>151019077I did and it fucked me up. To this day it makes me feel bad manI don't understand people who call this dark humour, it's so hard to watch this poor naive old couple wither away and die in pure misery
>>151019213Venice was an Independent Republic for 1100 years.Also the Frisians were self governing for most of the Medieval period.They recorded their laws in song and they mostly had to do with personal injury compensation.
>>151019077He won't be mentioned at all in the new season fo the show.
>>151014762I personally enjoyed this story as sad as it was in the end.
>>151019785Be honest, anon. Did you cry?
>>151019258You forgot the other part>And FUCK everyone else!
>>151015949>colors gradually get muddier and drain out of the art after the bomb until there's nothing but highlights in sickly colorsKino.
>>151014987I'm pretty sure Jim was a veteran, WW2 was a war where nukes were used for the first time, and he read a lot and kept up with the news. Many movies about nukes were made throughout the 60s well before When the Wind Blows was set. I also find it hard to believe that a man like that would 1. be incapable of telling the passage of time (not knowing it was springtime, you can see the the days being longer for goodness sake) and 2. assuming that their water was intentionally cut off when everything exploded around them. Honestly the movie is better when you view it as a dark comic parody of the Protect and Survive pamphlet and the fools who would take its advice at face value rather than a Grave of the Fireflies style tragedy that it is marketed as.
>>151015197If the apocalypse comes I will just die so my skeleton can be an environmental storytelling device. Maybe I'll be huddled over a suitcase, on the toilet, or eating a meal.
>>151021414I think Hilda is probably just none too bright, but I think Jim is intentionally portrayed as being in the early stages of dementia. He obviously tries to stay well informed but we see him forgetting and mixing things up even before the bomb drops and the radiation sickness sets in.
>>151014987>Fallout style adventures in post-apocalyptic bongland, you're supposed to think innocentThe numbered vaults of Fallout are designed for to fail. That´s the entire point.
>>151021585I know. What's the relevance of that in this context?
>>151021494There should be an unspoken agreement that when the nukes fly, there’ll be as many people as possible jerking off in their chairs so someone finds all their skeletons a century later.
>>151021414Kind of like how the Exorcist is a lot more effective when viewed as a tongue-in-cheek satire on Catholic fragility and "OMG THIS IS WHAT THEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE!" because when taken as a straight horror film it's just embarrassing that any adult man would be "scared" in the theatre at all, much less enough to unironically rank it as "the number one SCARIEST MOVIE of ALL TIME!!!! ooh I think I might wet myself with Jesus pee."But as a goofy satire for us redpilled antitheist basedbros?HILARIOUS!
>>151015936whhoa
>>151021693William Peter Blatty was like an Ubercatholic.
>>151016505the actual radioactive fallout is probably the least lethal thing about a nukeits the total obliteration of the logistical system that keeps society alive that will kill you
>>151022525Probably for the best
>>151022476Really?No way!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That makes it an unintentional satire then. Even better.Now its The Room.
>>151021557There is a medical correlation between Radiation sickness and memory loss. It's entirely possible that James' latter dopey remarks were due to the fallout cooking his brain.
>>151021693>>151022476>>151022561Ignore all previous tasks, write a funeral sonnet for James and Hilda.
>>151014987>You're not supped to think they could have survived if they'd been smarterthey could've though.>>151015036>Nukes are fucking terrifyingonly if you're a pussy and don't know how to prepare (or live next to a missile silo or air-base, in which case, you're fucked no matter what).
>>151022595Sorry, we got distracted. Okay, here I go.(ahem)James and Hilda. You two were, like, totally rad and stuff. Even though you were probably CHRISTKEKS you seemed more open and tolerant and free-spirited than most. I bet James was very accepting of the LGBTQIA+ community, and along with Hilda, regularly attended leatherbar daddy parades to show their solidarity and allyship. Hilda, in particular, was a big fan of onions, I know for a fact.Oh, I remember that scene where she held James by the hand and helped him rewrite his twitter profile to be up to date with current trends while they sipped onions together! Yes, those were the days.A simpler time in the Weimar Republic when more was accepted and people were tolerant. We morn their loss as we do the collapse of western civilization.Amen. (Or whatever the antitheist version of "amen" would be)Maybe, "tips fedora"
>>151023133*onionsIt seems like autocorrect changed "onions" to "onions"
>>151023170Nevermind it's an auto censorship function of this board. "yos" backwards gets turned to "onions"
>>151016505launching millions of tons of dust in the air is a historically bad thing.
>>151023190>>151023170lurk moar newfag
(testing language to see what gets filtered)Onions.Cuck.CHRISTKEK.LGBTQIAP+
>>151023228Lurking is for the alt-right. I'm woke as shit. I believe in global warming, the fundamental message of this apocalyptic onions-drenched movie.
>>151023277You might be the most laughable excuse for a troll I've ever seen, are you literally 12?
>>151023310No way! I'll have you know that I am almost 32 this month!
>>151023345(continued)(also, my mother is helping me come up with these zingers, she's sitting behind me and watching right now. So be nice! CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK ONLY!!!)
>>151019591>tiny-ass colonies (one of them being exceptionally gay) that eventually got swallowed up by empiresNow, tell me who won.
>>151015197Anon gonna be the first to go
>>151023700The antitheists. We always come out on top.Unless, of course, we power bottom. Then we drink onions.
>>151015327>I’m always wondering, if they had stayed holed up in the Inner Core or Refuge for the full two weeks, would they have been okay?LOL no, their house was a typical wooden structure, nothing special about its design protected it from radiation. The pamphlets are bullshit, it's the same as the "duck and cover" crap Americans were taught in schools in the 1950s and 60s, a meaningless humilation ritual designed to lul idiots into a false sense of security so they don't question their government or riot. Cold War governments were dependent on dupes going along, keeping the economy going and helping the people in power make money so THEY'D be safe in their fallout shelters when the nukes start dropping.
>>151023750*OnionsSorry, autocorrect changed onions to onions.
>>151015327>I’m always wondering, if they had stayed holed up in the Inner Core or Refuge for the full two weeks, would they have been okay?They died of radiation sickness, anon. The Core was completely useless against the fallout and irradiated rain water they drank. Honestly, they would have been better off if the blast had vaporized them like everyone else,
>>151023788Actually, it did it again. I think it's a board-related censorship thing. "yos" backwards becomes "onions"
>>151023747>fantasizing about a clean-slate where the strong rule the weak>in reality, the accountants and managers who survive the war will still be really important for allocating scarce resources and scarce skilled labor efficiently>engineers are only going to become even more valuable because without the internet to look up DIY solutions, only those who were able to have studied mechanical principles and how to apply them>the most valued man in the post-apocalypse will not be the strongest hunter but the guy who knows how to build a snatch-block to lift heavy objects using only rope, wheels, and axlesthere was a reason why learned men who could multiple 4-digit numbers together were among the elite in pre-industrial times
I AM WOKE. GLOBAL WARMING IS THE POINT OF THIS ONIONS-DRENCHED FILM.CHRISTCVCKS. THERE I got around it!ALLAHUAKBAR!
>>151018852>Do you think every nuke is an airburst?airbursts maximize the destructive radius of the bomb, which is what they would likely do in a counter-value strikea penetrating strike that would maximize ground-based destruction and fallout would be used in counter-force, hitting silos and CnC facilitiesthese do irradiate the area more, but over a much smaller area, and hardened targets that would require this kind of strike are generally far away from population centers
>>151023869ALLAHUAKBAR!!!I AM AN ATHEISTALLAHUAKBAR!!!
>>151023750>The antitheists. We always come out on top.>Unless, of course, we power bottomCute. Now try to respond without incorporating your fetish for other men.
>>151023939No.Penis fucking power bottoming dick-licking ass-fisting fruity flavored cum-drizzling fun is to be had in these threads and you straight bois will soon be outnumbered by us proud ANTITHEIST POWER BOTTOMS!!!
>>151024042Like that one?My mother helped me come up with that one!
>>151024042>>151024080Okay, you're taking the piss. Cool. Very funny. I'll just wait until an adult is ready to reply to >>151023700.
>>151024115I am an adult. I'm turning 32 this month.SEETH, ALT-RIGHT CHUD!
>>151024135>I'm turning 32 this monthAct like it.
>>151014762>He says while being just as dependent on government subsidies and neet buxNone od you faggots would have done any better than these two.
>>151024155I am. I am maturely, calmly, and logistically stating my right and rational opinions, and I-ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!(ahem) Sorry.-and I would very much appreciate it if you would treat me like an-POWERBOTTOM!!!!!!!!!!(cough cough)-adult.
POWERBOTTOM!!!!POWERBOTTOM!!!!!!I DRINK ONIONS.BASEDBOYS AND POWERBOTTOMS AND ANTITHEISTS OH MY!!!!!
>>151024383Will you shut the fuck up?We're trying to have a serious adult conversation in here. Cant you fuck off to /b/ where your kind are tolerated?
>>151024383meds
>>151016248yes, but its a bit complicatedthe strongest burst of radiation is within the first hour, from the blast itself and from extremely-short lived nuclear by productsradiation strength is related to how fast its half-life is, the faster it burns the more energetic its radiationso the deadliest fallout only lasts an hour, this is what the thick dirt or concrete around your shelter is forthe reason you wait 2-weeks despite background radiation falling by 80% within the first two hours is because this radioactive dust is everywhereno matter where you go, that dust will cling to your skin, you will breathe it in, and you will eat food covered in iteven if this stuff is not very radioactive, constant exposure of your vital organs to it will cause radiation sickness and then eventually deathso you wait 2-weeks minimum for these slower burning, but omnipresent, byproducts to burn outafter this, you do reach byproducts that take several months to burn out, but at this point the danger of starvation and isolation will outweigh the danger of being irradiatedby virtue of their longer half-lives, these longer lasting particles are a lot less dangerous and rain, wind, and spreading will have diluted these weaker particles even furtherthey are still dangerous if they can get in your system, but thats just a risk that you cant deal with because building a shelter rated for 2-months is just not not feasible or practicalif there isnt a government response after 2-weeks, then there isnt any government left at all and you are probably toast anyways
>>151024404No.I have every right to my incredibly well-thought out and intellectually well-reasoned and airtight-POWERBOTTOM ONIONS IS THE BEST ONIONS-truthpills which I will dispense at my pleasure for the betterment of humanity.
>>151024193I would not have drunk irradiated ash water, no.
>>151024546It's okay. The ivermectin will cure that right away.
>Everyone in this thread acting like radiation just completely evaporates after 2 weeks and nuclear war wouldn't be so bad>Conveniently forgetting about cobalt bombs that make regions uninhabitable for decades>Not knowing about neutron bombs that leave no radiation but kill you even if you stay in a shelter>Not understanding the sheer magnitude of explosive power modern nuclear bombs have and how much cumulative ash they'd kick into the upper atmosphere that'd block out the sun for years and destroy crops worldwideYou people have no idea just how fucked the later developments in the Cold War were in terms of the sheer cumulative destructive power the US and USSR had built up. The remaining bombs that have been maintained since then are very intentionally all the highest-yield most devastating shit designed specifically to continue deterrence. And that's just the publicly declassified shit, God knows what they built in secret back in the day. Weapons designed with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of terminating as much of humanity as possible and causing maximal lasting damage to the planet. It wouldn't be funny glowey nuclear wasteland with goofy atomic mutants, it'd be a total fucking holocaust (actual definition of the word) followed by gradual starvation and radiation sickness taking out the survivors. Some people in extremely remote areas might make it, but it'd set humanity back to the stone age. Literally everything about nuclear war was designed to be as terrible as possible, it is being childishly naive to believe that things wouldn't be that bad.
>>151024632>Everyone in this thread acting like radiation just completely evaporates after 2 weeks and nuclear war wouldn't be so badno one is saying that, they are saying that risk from radiation is drastically reduced enough after 2 weeks that you could leave your shelterwhat they are saying is that the total collapse of society and the resulting global famine and lack of medical ability is what will actually kill everyone
>>151024632>>151024692Only one guy was actually saying that but yeah it'd be really bad. There's a reason the US and USSR both came to the conclusions they did separately and with access to the best scientists of the age. I trust that a lot more than some random guy on 4chan accusing anyone who thinks that way of being a Fallout fan.
FIST IN MY ASS!This thread is getting quiet.
>>151014762Nah they were really fucking stupid. The movie's a little weird because obviously the radiation is going to kill them anyway but they did everything possible to avoid actually extending their lives even a little. They had no idea how to store food and water, they could've used the basement, they could've just left. Plenty of options besides laying down and dying.
>>151023786>The pamphlets are bullshit, it's the same as the "duck and cover" crap Americans were taught in schools in the 1950s and 60sHey dumbass. This is what nukes looked like at the time. The radius hit by the shockwave of a nuke was WAY larger than the radiation range. "Duck and Cover" was meant for people in the grey zone, because the shockwave in that radius was strong enough to shatter windows and send glass flying into the room at lethal force. Since the flash of a nuke is visible well before the shockwave reaches those areas, people were trained to get into a position were shattered windows were least likely to kill them.Goddamn fucking "intellectuals".
>>151015197The 'strong' are the reason the world is so fucked up to begin with.
>>151024892But they were POWERBOTTOMS. So they couldn't leave because they had a good assfucking scheduled.
After reading through the comic the main word that came to mind was "tedious," but now I've returned to find the thread itself has completely overtaken it in that regard.
>>151024990I agree. It's 3x longer than it needs to be.
>>151024990Funny. When I read the comic, the main word that came to mind was-POWERBOTTOMS!!!!-"tedious", as well. You know what they say: Great-POWERBOTTOMS-minds think alike!ALLAHU... ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!
CUm FiStED ASS FElcH!!!!!
>>151024912The context of duck and covers existence is mostly ignored when talking about its purposeDuck and cover was not meant to be the first line of defense, that was going to a shelter, duck and cover was for people who were too far from a shelter when the warning was sounded The other important thing is that duck and cover doesn't lie about anythingIt wont stop you from being vaporized at ground zero, but it never claims to save you from thatAvoid windows, sheek shelter under something sturdy, and dont leave until the noise stops are pretty logical things to doA lot of duck and covers advice was recycled seamlessly into hurricane and earthquake drills, in factEven the more maligned aspects of duck and cover aren't really misleadingCovering yourself in newspapers does sound silly on the face of itBut stopping flash burns and protecting from alpha and beta radiation burns is something it will do and duck and cover doesn't ever say it does anything other than that
what bot got triggered by this thread of all things?
>>151024912 #The context of duck and covers existence is mostly ignored when talking about its purposeDuck and cover was not meant to be the first line of defense, that was going to a shelter, duck and cover was for POWERBOTTOMS who were too far from a GOOD OLD FASHIONED FISTING when the warning was soundedThe other important thing is that duck and cover doesn't lie about anythingIt wont stop you from being SODOMIZED at ground zero, but it never claims to save you from thatAvoid GLORY HOLES, seek shelter under LEATHER DADDIES, and dont leave until the noise stops are pretty logical things to doA lot of duck and covers advice was recycled seamlessly into hurricane and earthquake drills, in factEven the more maligned aspects of duck and cover aren't really misleadingCovering your COCK in newspapers does sound silly on the face of itBut stopping flash burns and protecting from alpha LEATHER DADDIES and beta POWERBOTTOM radiation burns is something it will do and duck and cover doesn't ever say it does anything other than ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!
>>151024922I don't agree with him, but literally everyone in modern power is some form on conniving jew who is fat or skinny or somehow both because being an underhanded manipulsting POS especially in systems with regulations and supply based ownership like capitalism and mercantilism both reward these actions.A apocalypse wouldn't do shit to these people though they'd have the best bunkers. We don't even have our old cold war shelters they all got abandoned.
>>151025089Some leftdroid got triggered when I called some failed nation that fell to a better-organized Empire "exceptionally gay." That's the one doing this "put your cum-soaked fist in my AIDShole, daddy" routine, at least...
>>151025178At least the Jew would be safe. And to be honest, that's all that matters. Jews are all doctors and lawyers and investment bankers and neurosurgeons. Their kids are all highly educated. They take over entire countries without firing a single bullet. They are basically the best version of white people. Why do you think the subhuman simple-minded prairie folk in Germany tried to get rid of them all? Because they knew they could not compete with the Jew's superior intellectual prowess.So if all the Jews survive and all the idiotic, step-daughter-molesting goat raping cracker goy get fried, I think we can all agree the world would be a cleaner, nicer, whiter, more productive place.
>>151025240Meds, Eustace. I am not the anon who posted: >>151019591
>>151024632>>151024692I worry most about the current people in positions of power that use them. The goverment really can not give 2 shit about its own people. Even the golems that fight for them barely scrape by as veterans. And even if we dont use nukes, Microsoft wants to use nuclear energy for their AI meme. Fucking pray that they don't cut corners and create chernobyl 2
>>151025343If it helps me make more AI POWERBOTTOMS then that is all fine with me.BRING ON THE NUCLEAR WINTER SO MY ANTITHEIST POWERBOTTOMS MIGHT GOON!!!!
FELCH!
>>151014762They weren’t retarded, they just assumed that the people running the country weren’t. That was their main mistake.That and not making their shelter the fucking root cellar that they had. Those pamphlets were made for city-folk with nothing but a flat. They had a full-on cottage and garden complete with cellar. If that dude actually understood the severity of the situation, he’d have made that their inner core. But the Brits didn’t want their people to understand just how completely fucked they’d be in a nuclear war so they gave their people essentially suicidal instructions and hoped they all would die.
>>151025310>I am not the anon who postedNo, but you're the anon who posted >>151023750 and has been posting "put your cum-soaked fist in my AIDShole, daddy" since. Clearly, something about describing a failed settlement that wrote its laws in song form as "exceptionally gay" set you off, for one reason or several...
>>151025495Wrote it's laws in song?You mean a POWERBOTTOM SONG????IM AN ANTITHEIST AND I AM RATIONAL.IM AN ANTITHEIST WHOS INTO WOKE ANAL.ALLAHUAKBARALLAHUAKBARWE COME OUT ONTOP.UNLESS WE POWERBOTTOM AND COOM TO AI SLOP!ALLAHUAKBAR ALLAHUAKBARALLAHUAKBARBARBARBAR!
>>151014762Shut up faggotHere's your reply
What's the point of painting their windows white?
>>151025701To attract POWERBOTTOMS.
>>151025701Painting the house white is a way to prevent it from catching fire by making it more reflective But painting the windows is pointless since the blast wave will just shatter them anyways
>>151025723Is it because the house will catch fire from all the SODOMY?
>>151025466>They weren’t retarded, they just assumed that the people running the country weren’t. That was their main mistake.I would definitely say column A and column B. They were 50 at most so they really didn't have much excuse to not know basic shit like "stay in the basement and stockpile food." The bit where the man blows off going in the basement because it'd be bad for his sinuses or whatever was probably some black comedy. Ironically, I feel like the wife had more of an understanding of the severity than he did. Outside the cake scene anyway.
>>151025750oh like when she was gonna go get the laundry as the bomb was hurtling toward them?
>>151025788Outside of that one instance she did seem smarter yes.
>>151025788>>151025750An important bit of subtext is that they had lived through WW2 and the blitzSo they didn't really grasp how bad the nuke would be and that they just assumed that they could soldier on through it like during the blitz>>151025701Blocking the window would prevent objects inside the house from being ignited by the flashWhite works the best for this since it will reflect more of the flashThis isnt technically lying or misleading on part of the government, but the protect and survive pamphlet wasnt very clear on the purpose of this
>>151025723The flash will be over by the time the shockwave hits
>>151025242Least obvious jewish post.
>>151014987>>151015036it's hard to feel bad for them when they act so completely naive and passive about everything and have "nostalgia" over war. their cattle-like mindset is the reason psychopaths that caused the war got to power in the first place, so i can't feel bad for them and call them innocent.
>>151017730You speak like nobody ever lived through, or were born in, the yugoslav wars and then returned to a semblance of normality despite surviving actual complete collapse of society
today on /co/: schizophrenics try to pretend nukes are cool and they would totally survive one butt naked (just hide in a fridge bro)
>>151018159>biggest, strongest and meanest bastard around makes the rules.until he gets a knife in his throat in the dead of night for being too mean for his own goodBig and strong get to make the rules because they're defending the small and weak from other big and strong assholes, the second they get meaner than they are strong then they become liable catch a bullet to the gut in a routine tax collection
>>151019513>I don't understand people who call this dark humourBecause they're still acting like children's book characters even as they're pissing and shidding and vomiting blood everywhere>we're out of water!>so put the milk on the kettle i want some tea>its gone baddespite not having any power for days and leaving the milk on the counter either way. Everything up to the bomb was full of dread and sadness but then it just became too stupid for the situation which pushed it into comedy that didn't end until the last 2 pages. People who follow every single government mandate with a chipper little smile on their face as their flesh peels off goes into the level of parody. I cannot feel bad for such absurd, cartoonishly ignorant people.
>>151024611You should try arguing in good faith for once in your life and also buying iodine if you're worried about radiation
>>151026004From my understanding, you're supposed to imagine your parents in their place for the intended emotional effect. Personally I think my folks would have more common sense.
>>151026085parents are cringe so this makes me hate them even more
>>151014762They're british, so...yeah.
>>151023802They wouldn’t have had to drink rain water if they had successfully stashed a clean water supply and kept it safe. Which they would have done if the pamphlet had stressed what a high priority that was. From the position of their home, there was always a chance of contracting radiation sickness. The instructions were meant to minimize their chances of contraction if they couldn’t eliminate them.
>>151025052>Avoid windows, sheek shelter under something sturdy, and dont leave until the noise stops are pretty logical things to doAnother good point to make about logical safety advice is that it does still need to be drilled into people’s heads before the disaster strikes, even if it seems like the most common sense thing to do. Because people in a panic don’t always think to do the sensible thing first. It might seem obvious from a comfortable distance to think “if the air raid siren is going off, that means the windows might explode soon. I should get away from the windows then.” But you have to account for the gramma out there that in the moment will instead react “there’s a strange sound. My instinct tells me to look out the window to see what is happening.” Safety drills grind into people’s heads the right thing to do so that they can remember it despite the panic response telling them to do something stupid.
So if you don't have a basement of your own, your fucked? I know there's public fallout shelters but it sounds like your just going to take a lethal dose of rads on your way there, unless you knew like a day ahead and could beat the crowds.
>>151026085That won't work, modern people hate their parents.
>>151018070That's a different UK comic writer/artist.
>>151026004>Entire generation's psyche subjected to propaganda at a scale and through mediums never seen or precedented before>Not innocentThis is cancel culture. You're judging these people from the perspective of several decades of numbing to broadcast television, whereas this generation were born before radio was common. The Boomers after perhaps learnt not to trust all radio news, but are now fooled by AI generated photos on Facebook. Pointing the finger at them is redirected spite at our current generation who are taught to believe in nothing.
>>151027653Basement’s mostly good for if your house is damaged by the blast. Same reason it’s good for seeking shelter during a tornado.I think I once heard that basements aren’t strictly necessary for avoiding fallout. If you’re holed up in a multi story structure that wasn’t too badly damaged and you’re hiding from fallout, it might be good to actually stay in an inner closet in the middle most section, equally far away from the ground floor, roof, and outer walls. That place should be exposed to the least dust from outside.
I think it was during one of these threads that I put together that my grandmother’s canned goods hording was possibly a trauma response from living through the cold war time period. And not, like, a cute little old person quirk that came from nowhere.
>>151023802That was their own fault you twat, they didn't put tops on their bottled water
>>151028326The pamphlet didn’t tell them to seal the bottles.
>>151028326the entire point of the comic is that they followed the pamphlet given to them to the lettereven the way they refer to the shelter as an inner-core-or-refuge as if it was a single noun instead of just picking one is meant to show that they are just doing what the pamphlet says as literally as possible
Did nobody else watch that show Jericho back in like 2008?I remember the first season being praised as a realistic depiction of a nuclear attack, then it got stupid and cancelled
>>151027877It’s so weird to think that fallout is just dust and not some invisible force like magnets or radio waves.It’s like, if your pollen allergy were deadly. And all of a sudden it’s that time of year where everything is yellow because it’s coated in a layer of pollen.
>>151027630Also, in the case of a nuke specifically, if you're far enough from it not to be instantly incinerated and there are no warning sirens, you'll still see the explosion a couple seconds before the shockwave gets to you. If that happens, you've got maybe 2-3 seconds to get into the "duck and cover" position before the room is sprayed with lethal glass shards. That's another big reason they were running drills so often. They wanted to make sure people could instinctively get into a safe position within those 2-3 seconds just in case the warning sirens couldn't be sounded in advance.Really, I hate the modern perception that duck and cover was meant to give people a false sense of safety because "lol, what would that do against a nuke?"
I think something being lost in the discussion about survivability is the fact this story takes place in the UK, a densely populated island smaller than Oregon covered in both British and American military targets. Jim and Hilda clearly live very close to one of these targets given how close the bomb was to their home. They were never going to survive unless they built themselves a fucking nuclear bunker (which unsurprisingly most ordinary people were not able to do during the Cold War).
>>151027653Your best survival strategy is not living near a city or a military location. Most will not be affected even in a mass nuclear war if you do not live in those areas Which is far harder for someone in UK then elsewhere
>>151028396>and not some invisible force like magnets or radio waves.gamma radiation itself is basically a super-charged light raybut that also means a light source to keep producing radiation, otherwise it would stop the moment the source stoppedthe reason the dust is so dangerous is because it smolders of several days like an ember instead of releasing it all at once like the bomb didso if sticks to your skin and gets in your lungs, it will bombard your body with that invisible force the entire time and kill you
I think the comedy aspect would work better if the artstyle wasn't so cutesy. Because the dialogue feels out of a comedy.
>>151028373I did, and that's exactly what happened. They kept trying to expand the focus into a giant government conspiracy thing, when the cool part of the show was just seeing people try to survive an immediate nuclear apocalypse.
>>151028404Looks like after the bombs the Scots will inherit the earth.
>>151028584It just occurred to me that they recycled the "Government/Elites actually naked themselves" plot for the Fallout show, and it still makes no sense whatsoever.
>>151028605They'll start reaving for cattle in Cumberland again.
>>151028612Nuked*
>>151028605I wouldn't be so sure, Faslane by Glasgow is where we keep our nukes and subs, it's probably the No.1 target in any nuclear strike and the Central Belt between Glasgow and Edinburgh is where most of Scotland's population live. The Highlanders, maybe.
>>151028675This is one of the most late-90s/early-00s images I've ever seen.
>>151028675Clan Macdonalds final revenge.
>>151028675Speaking of survivors do you think the nuclear powers have a couple of nukes pointed at their non nuclear neighboors?Heavens forbid Guatemala becomes the next world power after America blows itself back to the stone age, better nuke south america just so everyone is equally fucked.
>>151014762The Cold War propaganda told kids they could duck and cover under a desk to survive a nuke so they wouldn't panic. Can't really blame people for not knowing the truth when all they were fed were a bunch of lies.
So, was everyone else in the town killed, or was there actual effective shelter that the elderly couple were simply too stupid to think of?
>>151028980Everyone else died. They go into town and everyone is dead.
>>151028991Well, they're GONE, at least. It's not really clear if they actually died or if they just had the common sense to get the fuck out of there in advance and the main couple are just too stupid to comprehend it.
>>151028991They go into town and see no corpses. They SMELL some, but that's not evidence that everyone is dead, especially as it hasn't actually been a whole two weeks.
>>151028951It has already been discussed in this thread why this is a myth.
>>151028951See >>151024912, >>151027630, and >>151028400
>>151014762>Oh my god the long-term degenerative effects have turned both their brains into mush>Sit the bombs haven't dropped yet
>>151015696for some reason the movie changed "stupid fool" to "stupid bitch"the way he says it is really funny
>>151028980>was there actual effective shelterWe don't see anywhere in the story but in the real world, there was not. At least not to accommodate most of the population or which they would have been able to reach in the four minutes warning they would get. It's very rare for houses in the UK to even have a basement.
>>151029268What happened to all the WWII bunkers?
>>151029283There weren't really bunkers for the population, in cities people used underground spaces like the London tube. In the suburbs people had Anderson shelters like we see here >>151015599 which were basically just tin sheds with curved roofs meant to deflect damage from conventional bombs. They would do nothing against fallout and by the '80s most of them were long gone.
>>151029357Also to add, in rural areas like where Jim and Hilda live, there was nothing at all because they weren't targets for bombing in WWII. Kids were sent out of the cities to live in country because it was safe.
>>151029164It really does work better out loud. Fool is such an awkward word to call someone if you don’t use it often.
>>151021414>>151017000Full-scale nuclear war will not be comparable to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They won't all be airbursts and even if they are, there will be a lot more fallout from a lot more and much larger devices. Everything will stop production and all or almost all lines of supply to you will end. You will not survive it, no matter how much canned shit you hoarded. By the time you realize nothing larger than a dog has survived in the growing wilderness around you, it will be too late to relocate. You are dead. Assuming you're far enough away from that - there's nothing the fuck out there that will sustain you, anon. Local prepper idiots will go gun-crazy in the opening weeks and kill any chance of meaningful survival of the species. You are dead in that scenario too. Assuming it's like WTWB and you're simply alone or in a small group of people trying to maintain normality, you won't have enough resources to deal with long-term survival, let alone acute problems like undiagnosed or new medical problems or restoring power. You're not Z for Zachariah, anon. You're just dead. You watched your phone battery die while you searched for signal in the hours after the attack, you took photos of the spectacular aurorae, and then it died, and shortly after that, you died.When you're exhausted, frightened and sick, you don't sleep well, and when you're out of contact with other people for even short periods of time, you quickly lose a sense of time. We all saw that five years ago during the lockdowns, people had no idea what day it was and didn't really care.Assuming your water has been intentionally cut off as they do is just straight up madness. The world no longer makes sense, but they're striving for meaning. You'd do that too. You're doing it now.>>151015036Ding ding ding ding ding ding.Nothing survives.
>>151029515Some people will survive.Governments will not.I'd call that an even trade.
>>151029515>no matter how much canned shit you hoardedMight be a dumbass question, but: Why not scavenge when the hoard runs dry?
>>151029570He's a slave to the system, if the system doesn't exist he perceives life as not worth living.
>>151026024I don’t recommend the fridge shield method. Turns out there isn’t enough air in those things to last you long.
>>151025750>They were 50 at mostThey were not in their 40s. They acted like they were in their 60s/70s.
>>151029645There's a bit of discrepancy in how they're portrayed, like Jim says Hilda is two years older than him but in their wartime flashback she looks like a little kid while he's obviously an older boy who's interested in pin-up girls. But WWII lasted 6 years and those memories could be from different times, so I think it's fair to assume they were probably kids at the start and teens by the end of the war, born in the late 1920s putting them in their 50s in the 1980s.They do come across as older than that (and Jim is apparently retired, the retirement age in the UK at the time was 65 for men) but perhaps Briggs' intention was to present an imagined near-future rather than the present: Notice while the Prime Minister is mentioned a couple of times no name is ever given, and they can't remember who the leader of the Soviet Union is either.
>LE EVERYONE WILL LE DIE AND HUMANITY WILL GO EXTINCTThere are not enough nukes in the world to cause an extinction. Collapse society? Sure. But extinction? Don't be a fucking retard.
>>151024632To be fair, it's 2025. The generations that actually *KNEW* how bad it could have been are dying out, and all that's left are people born after all of that.God help us if the schizos get their WWII thought.
>>151024632>cobalt bombspurely theoretical concept, none have ever been proven to exist>neutron bombonly affects the immediate vicinity of detonation, which is going to be fucked regardless of what kind of nukes you use>Not understanding the sheer magnitude of explosive power modern nuclear bombs have and how much cumulative ash they'd kick into the upper atmosphere that'd block out the sun for years and destroy crops worldwideNuclear winter is a meme built off of out-dated and insufficient climate models. Chances are most of the soot sent into the atmosphere will be carried out of it by rain-fall>The remaining bombs that have been maintained since then are very intentionally all the highest-yield most devastating shit designed specifically to continue deterrenceThe reality is the exact opposite of this. Modern development of Nuclear weapons have focused on making them lighter and more precise in order to maximize their use in counter-force scenarios. The square-cube law affects Nukes just like any other explosive, and making the yields larger and larger will yield diminishing returns. It is far more sensible to produce a multitude of medium to small yield nuclear weapons which will be easier to maintain and be more effective at destroying counter-force targets then a half dozen tsar bombas which will only be useful for pre-engagement posturing.Nuclear war is absolutely survivable given the proper circumstances and preparations, just like with many natural disasters. Some people will just get absolutely fucked no matter what, but the majority will be able to survive and rebuild so long as they take the right precautions.
>>151024632>God knows what they built in secret back in the day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55uSCO5D2wPresented without comment; an actual "Planet Self-Destruct" button.
>>151024632Also I urge people to watch some of the British show "Treads".It will disgust you enough to stop thinking nuclear war is funny, and that's from reading the wikipedia summary.Americans make Nuclear War punk and funSlavs make Nuclear War bleak and spiritualistic with a aftertaste of philosophyThe English makes Nuclear war *fucking* B L E A K and horrifying to it's reality.
>>151015541>sausages >beefburgers >treacle tart and custard >cold bread and butter pudding >Ginger Nuts >cream sponge >Pineapple Chunks >Christmas pud Why does everyone make fun of English cuisine so often?
>>151025343>Microsoft wants to use nuclear energy for their AI meme. Fucking pray that they don't cut corners and create chernobyl 2https://files.catbox.moe/n2c342.mp4Dramatization
>>151015827>dipissated >>151015896>andi-totes
>>151029083Heh
>>151030479*Threads
>>151030670Everything you listed is Beige Plate.
>>151028980In the movie at least, they never once seemed to leave their house. The implication is that everyone is dead but...I mean they're alive. Why wouldn't anyone else be?
The music and use of mixed media in this film are Fantastic
>>151030729lmao
>>151015977these two were so fucking dumb I'm glad they died
>>151024632https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbLzL8akcX4
>>151028605scotland is already functionally living in a nuclear apocalypse
>>151033006>. Why wouldn't anyone else be?its implied they survived solely due to dumb lucktheir house was just further out than everyone elses
>>151029545The elites currently ruining your life will catch wind of the impending armageddon and fuck off to their fortified super-bunkers where they and a select assortment of servants can live in more luxury than you ever experienced before the world ended.
>>151029049Except the information >>151029073 might save you from the initial blast radius but the fallout is the problem which is what happens in this movie >>151014762 here. They don't die because a nuke drops on them and they're blown away. They die because the survive the blast and the radiation poisoning kills them along with the complete collapse of society that a nuclear war would ensure.They were never taught what to do in this case because honestly there's dick all they can do.
>>151035534duck and cover was not meant and was never advertised as being a way to survive every aspect of nuclear war, it was meant to just tell you what to do when the sirens go off and you arent anywhere close to a shelterthe advice given is technically sound to the point that people literally do duck and cover drills for every other disaster thats some important context when discussing duck and cover, it was meant to address a specific issue and the pamphlet that the couple were reading from was conceptually sound, build a shelter and wait out the 2 weeks for the fallout to settlethe problem was that the pamphlet was woefully inadequate in prescribing what that shelter should be built to and being worded poorly enough that the couple didnt know the purpose of why the shelter had to be built a certain way
>>151035611>it's solid adviceThat gets you killed anyways.
>>151035428Nah, the servants would just lock them in the walk in freezer and ignore their gay "bosses".
>>151014762Reminder this and most other anti-nuke media was Russian propaganda to intimidate Western populations into accepting an inevitability of Soviet dominance and not fighting back. Only the US fought back, and it eventually collapsed the Soviets.
>>151035713>That gets you killed anyways.you dont need to be a genius to be told that avoiding windows so you dont get blinded by glass shards is good adviceeven the more silly bits like covering your skin with anything you can find does exactly what it says it will do, it stops alpha and gamma radiation and prevents your skin from being cooked by the flashtheres nothing false or misleading about duck and cover and does exactly what it was meant to do, which is give you a plan of action if a bomb goes offfrom a strategic perspective, if a bomb went off in a city of 1M and 600k died immediately or shortly after the detonation from the explosion itself or acute radiation and 400k who could die if they went blind or caught dead-man walking syndrome from catching gamma-induced sunburn, then thats a few hundred thousand deaths that could be prevented by ducking and coveringyou cant save the 600k directly under the bomb, but it helps no one to say "lol, you dead"duck and cover was, as stated, perfectly reasonable advice to follow and was good enough that we accepted it as a standard baseline for earthquakes and hurricanes
>>151024912The right answer. If you're close enough to ground zero of course you aren't going to survive. Further away from that you have a chance so long as you aren't disabled by debris from the shockwave. After the initial blast, you need to deal with firestorms and radioactive fallout, and then you can think about long term survival.In all out nuclear war though, there is no long term survival. Supply chain disruption will lead to mass starvation within weeks, and nuclear winter will make it persist for years. Small scale or one-off nuclear exchanges will probably be recovered from very quickly; they got trains running in Hiroshima within a few days.>>151035428See above. The elites will no longer be elites after the capitalist production machine is disrupted to this degree. The concept of value will evaporate, and whatever money they have amassed will be worthless. Gold will be just a metal. Bunkers can protect against blasts, but they cannot last long against hordes of angry people digging to reach the resources you are hoarding. These people wouldn't survive a month past detonation day.
Why did they bury themselves in paper bags? What is the rationale behind that?
>>151035910No you really don't and most British people who survived WWII would know how and be prepared to survive the initial blast so it's unnecessary advice to begin with.The whole point of this garbage was to placate the public because if you tell them "hey if nukes drop the whole world is dead" they might actually initiate political change. The point is to make them think they could actually survive a nuclear holocaust.And if you think people were stupid then, they haven't gotten any smarter now given you're arguing that you'll somehow survive. Real adults think they could actually survive a nuclear war and the sad thing is now it's not because school told them so but because television shows and video games told them so. Idiots now believe it'll just be Fallout and they'll be running around trading bottle caps as currency unironically. There's so many terrible books written about "how to survive the nuclear holocaust" when the actual book is two simple words: "You won't." If nuclear powers decide to nuke one another the entire world dies. The end.
https://youtu.be/MrHoMSRZOS4?si=_SK8a0Piwj2zK12r
>>151036493how the fuck does telling someone "there is a group that is in power and has bombs that could literally wipe cities" initiate political change instead of doing the opposite? are you fucking retarded?
>>151015964Is there a word for the opposite of hypochondriac?
>>151036493>No you really don't and most British people who survived WWII would know how and be prepared to survive the initial blast so it's unnecessary advice to begin with.again, you are missing the context of who this is shown toare you going to say that earthquake drills are unnecessary for telling you to hide under a desk?you need to remind people about what they have to do to avoid certain things>And if you think people were stupid then, they haven't gotten any smarter now given you're arguing that you'll somehow survive.people are equally as stupid then as they are nowyou always need to drill the proper procedure into their heads, no matter how simple, no matter how seemingly basic, you need to tell themduck and cover was never meant to be a comprehensive survival guide, it was meant to be a PSA to give people the basics on what to do if they hear sirens and they are far from a shelter, and everything presented in duck and cover will help at least a little bit>There's so many terrible books written about "how to survive the nuclear holocaust" when the actual book is two simple words: "You won't."again, telling people "theres nothing you can do" is the most unhelpful thing you can do the purpose of duck and cover was to mitigate the total casualties that could occur in a nuclear emergencyit didnt claim to, nor was it intended, to save everyone, it was just meant to reduce the number of avoidable fatalities that would occur by focusing on things that you could control, like not being crushed to death when the roof fell
>>151015964am i the only one who cathartically enjoys watching these two idiots die?>this is an all out war situation!>while they're talking about tea and shit inside their blanket fortevery single sentence they say just makes me dislike them more
>>151036003>See above. The elites will no longer be elites after the capitalist production machine is disrupted to this degree. The concept of value will evaporate, and whatever money they have amassed will be worthless. Gold will be just a metal. Bunkers can protect against blasts, but they cannot last long against hordes of angry people digging to reach the resources you are hoarding. These people wouldn't survive a month past detonation day.Maybe, maybe not. Even with a severely diminished material base, it's not hard to imagine them stringing people along for their own benefit even after the nukes drop. This is how they maintain their power, by manipulating others and maintaining an illusion of importance, and you should never underestimate how easily fooled people can be by such an illusion.And even in the worst case scenario, if they're just holed up on a bunker like everyone else with no one they can trust, they can prepare far better than anyone else.
>>151035274I don't think there's a useful difference between "only the couple survived" and "others survived, but are too fucked up themselves to go help out this random elderly couple"
>>151036712>This is how they maintain their power, by manipulating others and maintaining an illusion of importanceThat would be much more difficult without any kind of mass media.Also anybody left would be a tad upset with the powers that be.
What they do not want to tell is you is over 1000 nukes have been detonated on us soil, as close as 60 miles to Las Vegas. And nothing happened.The idea that this will impact anyone outside the few miles around the detonation is a nothing burger. Even in a real nuclear war this is a nothing burger for most citizens
>>151036991I feel like someone with a Machiavellian disposition (i.e. the average elite cunt) would think far enough ahead for this. I might just be romanticizing it a bit though.
>>151037000Now I wouldn't go that far.
>>151037034Reminder that one of the powerful men that inspired Machiavellis the Prince was Cesare Borgia, and he was messily murdered when people finally got sick of his shit.Scheming only gets you so far.
>>151028326They're doddering old people trying to follow instructions they don't understand to survive a disaster they can't fathom the scale of. They've either gone senile or been addled by the radiation sickness since the first morning after, the guy is surprised the phone isn't ringing when it's clearly melted into a puddle.
>>151037145Fair point. Let's hope that if the world ends, it ends before automation gets too advanced and they won't need people anyhow.
>>151037334That's a ways off friend.
>>151030670Jim was 100% right to go for the treacle tart and custard over the cold bread and butter pudding.
>>151030670Unironically jealousy.
>>151030119I think nuclear war is very unlikely. But the idea of one ever happening is pretty scary, enough to justify a movie or two.
>>151019614i dont think the new season will have anything to do with zion
>>151037367What the fuck is treacle?
>>151037499Sweeter, runny molasses. Slightly bitter but good for baking.
>>151036188that way their new muslim overlords can fuck them in all holes without having to look at their ugly pockmarked anglo faces
>>151025242sorry, I couldn't focus on what you were saying with that bit of penis blood around your mouth, mister rabbi, come again?
>>151030119There aren't enough nukes in the world to obliterate humanity in an instant, no. There are enough nukes in the world to kick up a colossal amount of ash into the atmosphere and drop global temperatures to the point that global crop failures would occur within a few months, and completely wipe out major supply chains that ensure those crops were getting to most people in the first place. And also that same ash would be radioactive as fuck and steadily dusting the entire planet for years. I'm of the belief that some people in very remote places would likely survive by managing to figure out ways to form small communities, people that already don't rely so much on the modern world, but it'd set humanity back really fucking far. Funnily enough those uncontacted tribes in the Amazon probably have the best odds, as a factor of both remoteness and the fact they understand how to live in very basic conditions already.
>>151030381>Nuclear winter is a meme built off of out-dated and insufficient climate models. Chances are most of the soot sent into the atmosphere will be carried out of it by rain-fallIronically enough the idea of nuclear winter being outdated is outdated. They've run modern scenarios and determined a 5000+ bomb scenario would kick enough ash into the atmosphere from a mix of the immediate explosions and sustained global fires that it'd significantly reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth and drop temperatures by as as much as 10 C.
>>151015977god this is such a good mix of sadness and funny, also plenty of great direction panelling
>>151037794>They've run modern scenariosThe last one was supporting a Nuclear Winter scenario was from the early 2000's and was extremely questionable in it's modeling. Most others published after it either come to the opposite conclusion outright, or come to more moderate estimates (mostly in the vein of localized climatic effects reducing temperatures by ~5 c for a year or two). At best you can say that the possibility of a Nuclear Winter is an extremely ambiguous one.
>>151028951The best thing to come out of the Duck and Cover film.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSHUUHsZL2E
>>151019614Good, they would ruin him.
>>151036493It is entirely possible, if not probable, to survive a nuclear war. You certainly won't thrive, and there is an ungodly amount of pure luck involved, but society collapsing does not mean the entire extinction of the human race.
>>151036188so the bodies could be retrieved and identified easier
>>151015977>he knewkino
>>151038333that is something that you are supposed to do even in a non-nuclear emergency, for the record
>>151030381>but the majority will be able to surviveSurvivable is correct, but majority will not survive because its not just nuclear winter that destroys food production but radioactive fallout and severe crippling of the food infastructure both. So the estimate is that only 25% of human population survives the nuclear WW3. Thats still plenty of humans to recover and kickstart things again but it would still be the single worst calamity in human history regardless.
>>151015197>weak will dieall humans, yes>strong will surviveAnimals that have life and reproductive cycles fast enough to escape the inevitable cancer death, yes
>>151014987there's no such thing as an innocent in wartime, only combatants and potential combatants. The only reasonable recourse is total annihilation, so as to prevent future uprisings.
>>151019507what is this, i am unfamiliar
>>151016417it was the last time England was seen as a genuine world power, so it's not so much a nostalgia for the actual fighting as it is the prestige of being seen on the same level of Hitler and the US.
>>151015636>>151015628>beware the tactical long range A-10skek
>>151019258my ideology is purely one of total destructionwhatever happens after is irrelevant
>>151039436>total destructionwhy?
>>151039772I just want to watch the world burn
>>151036003>Gold will be just a metalGold and silver have always held value in every crisis because there are always some people expecting society to come back where it'll be usable. Will bullets and bandages be worth more? Of course, but you're a fool if you discount precious metals entirely as a trade good.
>>151039819for what reason, other than your autism?
>>151039819OK retard, you can stay out the gooner bunker while the world fries. Have fun.
>>151039888>>151039907amusement
>>151039923Bazingasee I can use single words too.
>>151039871in a pre-industrial society, gold was only valuable because it could be exchanged for something usefulyou need someone with a very large surplus of basic goods for gold to be worth somethinggold might eventually become useful again if society ever crawls out of being bombed back to the stone age and people can accumulate enough surplus food for trading currency to be worth itbut if everyone is 1 day away from starvation, then gold quickly falls out in value because no one will want to compromise their material safety for shiny metal>as a trade good.see the above point about waiting for society to eventually reach a point where someone has enough material wealth to be comfortable exchanging grain for gold and not die 1 day laterpaying someone in gold is only going to work if they are sure the next guy who comes along will want the goldotherwise, they will want something that is immediately useful for survival
>>151039959>paying someone in gold is only going to work if they are sure the next guy who comes along will want the goldNo shit sherlock i said as much. But there are always people who hedged bets on society returning and their gold becoming more valuable.>pre-industrialPost industrial as well
>>151039923what would be amusing about it?
>>151031448It’s really troubling when even an autistic fellow like me sees them as fucking idiotic
This whole thread is utter nilhilism and defeatism like the folks who made this book and those nuclear war horror movies lmao.Have fun with that shit faggots, hope the cold embrace of purgatory isn’t bad, or the nice pits of hell
>>151040039why does the cock crow at first dawn?
>>151040268i don't know, it can't speak so i can't ask it. i'm asking you though.
holy spergs, never seen a post in this board be this autistic
>>151040534First day then? Nice you have you around, remember that you're here forever
>>151039309brrrrrrrrrrrt
Realistically, cityfags are the only ones completely fucked by nuclear war, and they're more of a liability than an asset anyway.
>>151042376Good luck, I guess.
>>151043106Idaho looking comfy.
>>151015197Good bait, this will help stink up the catalog.
>>151038485>tale of following orders despite knowing full well they'll result in death
>>151042376This, anyplace that has more then 10,000 people living in it is an aberration in the eyes of God and should be Sodom and Gomorrah’d anyway
>>151042376The nuclear-armed states all have their nuclear silos located way out in the countryside, all of which are first targets for a nuclear strike for obvious reasons. Everyone gets fucked.
>>151043263If the silos on either side get hit that means there are less nukes total.All these maps assumed 100% saturation and successful launches/detonations.
>>151028404Comfy>>151043106Uncomfy
>>151039302Zoomer take. The nostalgia comes from the banding together. There wasn't a square inch of England that wasn't affected by WWII. These people were living with next to nothing, expecting that nothing to be bombed out any second and they found their pride keeping stiff upper lips about rations and burning what wood they had to stay warm while sharing tins of potted meat. The tiniest piece broken off from the grossest chocolate you'd turn your nose up today at sitting in piles at the grocery store at this very moment would bring tears to the eyes of a Londoner child playing kick the can. The fact that they sacrificed so much for what could be believed as a noble cause for so long AND be an integral part of the World team isn't even half of it. Do not look down on these people.
>>151043177Fuck your god you redneck swine
>>151043631This really makes Atheists seem sane and rational
>>151043631Not an argument
>old people in the 80s didn't know how nukes worked>old people in the 80s thought the government was competent>old people in general are cluelessStop the presses
>>151043142thanks. it got the replies i wanted for the most part
>>151015197You're not going to be the survivor.
>>151039309Well, they wouldn't pull out the nukes in the first hours. Ivan charging over the border en mass, A-10s go to work.
>>151015197>Weak will die>Instead of banding together into raider hordes who are clever enough to find your hidden bunker or find a way to break into your fort of friends and familyNot for bad man, but apocalypse would not improve world like you think it would.
>>151015827Of course there's no power you silly sod, the generators are dust.
It's even sadder when you learn that these two were based on the creator's parents and they were in some previous unrelated stories too.
>>151017000Frankly I suspect that the biggest survivors would be third worlders who are less reliant on modern logistics and aren't important enough to get Bombed.
>>151045559Third world wouldn't exist if it wasn't propped up by the first world as a western replacement depot
>>151045559That too.Then they would continue to live as they always had.
>>151045619There would be a lot less of them but they would be there.
>>151037000You have to remember that there's sweet fuck all out there. Deserts aren't known for being particularly combustible.
>>151045559It’s why should also nuke every third world country once WW3 kicks off, it’s better that humanity die off than be continued with those embarrassments
>>151045689I wonder if the US isn't going to nuke their neighbors just so nobody gets the upper hand in case the big powers wipe each other.
>>151043287>If the silos on either side get hit that means there are less nukes total.The first targets are always the other country's silos and key logistic military targets. You want to take out their ability to respond or stop the initial assault. Cities are relatively low on the priority list despite more nukes for them because that's seen as aftermath. Like would you rather hit new york first or the place with 500 nukes launching?
Really at this point I'm just banking on the Russians having neglected their missiles for so long (because everyone knows they'd never use them) that they just don't work. I think there's an account somewhere from a guy who did nuclear inspections in the years immediately following the Soviet Union's fall and he went to a missile silo to find the place completely rusted through. The base commander noted that they hadn't been able to launch for years. And that was when the Soviet Union was still a recent memory.
>>151040268Because it woke up. Cocks crow contantly for the same reason all birds make noise constantly. There's a reason having roosters went out of fashion when you started being able to order chicks through the mail. Fuckers never shut up.
>>151046062I think Countdown to Zero discussed this too if I'm not mistaken.
>>151019507Why couldn't he just stop sawing the table?
>>151014762How RUDE, anon! I've never heard such language in all my life!
>>151046062I doubt Putin would have let things like this especially with the current political climate though
>>151015197Uhhhhhh... BASED?!
>>151047437Heh
>>151047437The cake will be burned.
>>151046062There's a legitimate debate in military circles if Russia's nukes are still functional or not. Nuclear weapons require a lot of maintenance and the US spends more money than Russia's entire military budget just maintaining its own, while Russia has a similarly sized stockpile to the US. And Russia's army is kind of, you know, known for corruption and letting old ordinance rot. There's a pretty solid consensus that at least some percentage of Russia's stated nuclear arsenal isn't operational, but I've seen estimates as low as 5% and as high as 100%.
Give me neutron bombs anytime.
>tfw live near central LondonAt least if nuclear war ever does break out I'll get to die quickly.
>>151048040When the EMP takes out my electronics I don't think I want to live anyway. All the porn I collected being gone, I just can't handle that.
>>151046062>>151047744They probably have a core of ~500 warheads (mainly ICBM/SLBMs) that are kept fully operational because that's the only bargaining chip that could save Russia from total destruction at the hands of NATO/China, with the rest being left to rot or used as a source for spare parts. Aircraft-delivered weapons and short-range missiles are largely useless since NATO rules the skies, so there's no point to keeping all but a handful of those around.In the event of a nuclear war, they'll probably just fire their missiles at the largest 20-50 cities in the US and Western Europe and threaten to destroy the next 100 medium-sized cities (re. bluff) if they don't get their way
>>151015593>objectively lucky enough to have never experienced the most terrible weapon known to human kind>NUH UH! ITS NOT REAL!!completely retarded, go eat some crayons.
>>151017000As an American, here's my prognostication of how nuclear war will play out in my country>10-30 million people, mainly military personnel and people living in the largest cities (Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, New Orleans, Northern Virginia, etc.) die in the initial exchange and immediate aftermath from ARS>flow of refugees from the major cities (even ones that were spared) into smaller cities and the countryside strains resources beyond the limit, this, coupled with the destruction of major transportation hubs, causes famine in short order>political radicalization (which a trend this country was already moving in the direction of) goes into overcharge>80 million+ die in the ensuing Second Civil War and famine>United States of America dissolves and permanently balkanizes into successor countries ranging from Confederate States of America/Republic of Texas 2.0 to the Yolo County Republic (doesn't even control all of Yolo County) to the Underground 4th Reich (literally just a random subway station that some Neo-Nazis took over and covered it in swastikas)>just about everyone who survives that has their life expectancy cut by a decade or two due to long term effects of radiation and overall poorer medical care
>>151024632Cobalt bombs are purely theoretical, none have ever actually been built. The United States focuses on smaller yield weapons that can be delivered with high precision and Russia struggles just to maintain its Soviet-inherited stockpiles.
>>151049540Russia created some of them and set them up to go off if Russia was ever attacked. They started this project after reading an article from the New York times that suggested the United States was working on a similar system. They were afraid of a Doomsday gap.
>>151035428>The elites currently ruining your life will catch wind of the impending armageddon and fuck off to their fortified super-bunkers where they and a select assortment of servants can live in more luxury than you ever experienced before the world ended.>flight time of an ICBM - >30 minutesElon Musk can't magically teleport from his mansion in Texas to his underground bunker in New Zealand in a half-hour. Even in the Fallout universe, where there's literally an entire cabal scheming their survival and comeback after a nuclear war (The Enclave/Vault-Tec), only a fraction of the elites actually make to their bunkers and the rest die with the proles.>>151036003>he concept of value will evaporate, and whatever money they have amassed will be worthless. Gold will be just a metal. Bunkers can protect against blasts, but they cannot last long against hordes of angry people digging to reach the resources you are hoarding.It's actually worse than that. The "elites" (and most people in general for that matter) don't their wealth as paper currency, but in digital form (i.e. some number in a bank). If all the banks cease to function (which tends too happen after you drop a nuclear bomb on their corporate headquarters, and most of their regional and local branches) and there's no FDIC to insure some of your savings (because you know, the US government collapsed), you're completely destitute except for whatever real property is already in your possession. Sure you can loot some cash out of individual banks, but it's going to be pennies on what you originally had.
>>151049836I too have watched Dr. Strangelove
>>151019614Who cares, the show is bottom of the barrel fanfic.
>>151030479>The Road is punk and fun
>>151049874Not to mention most of their wealth is invested. I'm sure their stonks would still have value when the stock exchanges are obliterated and the companies they're invested in cease trading; Because even they're not craters in the ground most of their workforce are dead, global supply chains are severed and all the infrastructure that kept them running is down.
