With all the attention on the DC Absolute line, it seems nobody gives a crap about DC's mainline and sales reflect that, with almost all the titles outside the Top 50 and most outside the Top 100. How would you resurrect DC's mainline?
Another reboot should do it.
>>151015273They're fine. The attention is on DC Absolute because that's what DC is pushing. They're planning a bunch of new #1s when DCKO ends, the pendulum will always swing back.
>>151015273You don't.
>>151015273People are talking about DCKO all the time.
>>151015791Retards are.
>>151017018It's more than One World Under Doom got.
>>151017018Yeah we know you keep talking about it
>>151015273There’s nothing you can do. The mainline has been ruined beyond repair.
>>151015466They already did a bunch of #1s in 2023 and 2024 though. They relaunched Justice League after icing it for over two years and nobody seemed to give a crap.
So does this mean Dark Patterns is a bad comic book because its not in the top 50?
>>151015273Mainline DC and Marvel are a chore to read. Fuck that shit.
>>151015273Marvel has 36% of the market, DC has 29%, and last year DC only had 19%.So, we see that Absolute is experiencing enormous growth. But I don't know if it's sustainable.
>>151017131But you're talking about it right now.
>>151018403Marvel doesn't care about any kind of long-term storytelling. Their only plan right now is to flood the market with new #1s and X-Men books.
What top 50? Sales number are proprietary info. You mean the 12 stores polled by Bleeding Cool?
>>151015273>How would you resurrect DC's mainline?Bring back straight kid Jon Kent from space and ship gay teen Jon Kent off with the legion. Relaunch super sons as if nothing has changed.Relaunch LOSH with teen Jon and have them spend a year or two in a future state type future.Stop setting any events up in ongoings for well over two years. Focus on short storylines. Let the solos be solos which gives them time to incorporate supporting casts.Stop giving people like Lois powers. Supporting casts should not have superpowers. Take one green lantern and put them on the league. Send the green lanterns off to space, treat the book like they did with action comics and have a different character every other month or so. Matter of fact make the JL/Earth Lantern John and put vixen on the league so twitter stops saying you don’t like black people. Add nubia (as nubia not Wonder Woman) or Yara.Have a new trinity title but with Kon, Dick and Donna. Do a magic based title (not a team book) with the same approach as the GL one. Zatanna, Shazam, Constantine. No more tom king, tom Taylor, Aaron, spurrier, ram v, mark Russell, Matt fraction, chip zdarsky, etc. move on from these people. No Hickman, slott, Ewing, Ahmed, etc marvel writers either. Move on from this generation of writers. Adams, williamson, watters, hell I’d even keep waid as long as he agrees to delete his social media. Focus on writers who place characters, fans and company history above their own egos. Continuity obessed nerds.
>>151020312>I would fix DC's finances by cutting back on events (which sell more), removing most of the main characters in green lantern that people pay to see, and shoving the black and legacy characters no one cares about in people's faces>let's also double down on making John interact with superheroes instead of returning to vertigo
>>151020431>people pay to see any green lantern not named Hal or Johnlol Kys>e-e-events sell more! Not lately the last three haven’t even been in the top ten.
>>151020463What top 10? Sales are propietary info. You mean the 12 stores polled by Bleeding Cool?>JohnNobody has ever given a single fuck about John outside of the cartoon. His latest series was cancelled into a mini. Meanwhile, Kyle reached 180 issues, Guy is in the latest movies and Jessica has a coomer following
>>151020491>>151020061Oh look you keep repeating the same thing. Kys faggot
>>151020518My kid just came from school and said 13 of his classmates buy DC, looks like they have 100% of the market share!
>>151020518It's probably some Marvel employee who's been seething all day
>>151020312>Matter of fact make the JL/Earth Lantern John and put vixen on the league so twitter stops saying you don’t like black people. Add nubia (as nubia not Wonder Woman) or Yara.Like the late great Dwayne McDuffie said, put three black characters on a book and it's a black book, and it puts the white male readership on edge.And it's true. Look at how people treated Ewing over Mighty Avengers and UltimatesThat Justice League is too black. You'll lose the audience.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16sKK-1oLQ
>>151020613Meanwhile the New Warriors were best when it had Night Thrasher, Rage and Silhouette on the team.
>>151015273do a new dcau
>>151020312>Adams, williamson, watters, hell I’d even keep waid as long as he agrees to delete his social mediaWatters is the only good writer there, anon
This board is OBSESSED with DC's mainlineYou guys don't talk about Marvel in the same wayYou just passively accept that Brevoort and Lowe's editorial policies continue to rank #1 on sales chart. You storytime garbage comics like Spider Girl and openly lust after prepubescent cartoon girls like actual pedophilesYou hate-follow Amazing Spider-Man every week... which has been in its OMD status quo for EIGHTEEN (18!) YEARSBut then when it comes to DC... you claim its always doing everything wrong,you claim every book is bad, sucks and is overratedand every book they have ever made was bad, sucks and was overratedAnd everyone's ideas for how to "fix" DC involve shooting yourself in the face business wise and cutting off the remaining revenue streams to re-assert a status quo upheld by Geoff Johns from EIGHTEEN (18!) YEARS AGO
>>151021514DC's problems are more obvious than Marvel's. They've chased Batman sales and marginalized every other character to the point that nobody cares about the rest of them. They've doubled, tripled, and even quadrupled down on legacy characters instead of building up new properties so they cannibalize instead of complement each other. 2 Batmen, 3 Flashes, 3 Supermans, 4 Robins, 7 Green Lanterns... it's too much.
>>151021514Because it's splitPart of it is genuine DC fans who had to put up with terrible decisions from Didio and friends for the past decades. The other is Marvel shills trying to shit on DC in order to distract from whatever is going wrong at Marvel. Whenever you see the anti-DC posts ramp up it means Marvel wants to keep the attention on how "bad" DC is doing to avoid any discussion on how badly Marvel is doing. Think about how lackluster the reaction to Marvel's NYCC announcements were or how rumors of Bendis coming back to Marvel is bringing out nothing but dread, indifference, and shill accounts trying to defend Bendis.When it's a Marvel shill it's usually scripted, like they keep bringing up legacy characters as a bad thing for DC (because fans complained about Marvel's legacy characters).
>>151022218No one buys the comics about Metamorpho, The Question, Metal Men, Doom Patrol, Firestorm, The Atom, Hawkman, Freedom Fighters, Plastic Man, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Omega Man, Legion of Super Heroes, Checkmate, JSAThere have been multiple volumes of those characters over the past decade, From very different writers & artists. Fans just aren't interested in those characters enough to invest in a long term 5 year, 75 issue run
>>151022218>instead of building up new propertiesDon't pretend like you bought issues of Sideways or City Boy
>There should be at least 50 separate ongoing comic book series set in one shared DC universe going on at the same time>and they should all have consistent writer/artists teams who commit for at least 5 years producing 100 issues at minimum>and there should never ever be delays. writers and artists should be working at least 6 months in advance so there's always inventory ready to publish>and the books should be affordable. either go back to $2.99 or increase the page count to at least 90 pages if you're charging $4.99>and the pages should be high quality with good coloring and top tier artists. no cheap rush jobs from fiver.>or the pages can be cheap newspaper quality in black and white like manga>and the characters should be allowed to age and mature. there's no more stories left to tell with 90 year old Bruce Wayne>and everything should go back to the classic meat and potatoes iconic version of the characters. no woke dei legacy replacements>and they should be sold in grocery store checkout lines>and you should win things by reading
>>151015273uhh.... anonymous workdwide focus group testing?
>>151015273We can't. It's best to just let it die already.
>>151022411These books sell when you put big name creators on them and when you make them matter.20 years ago DC had Sasha Bordeaux, Catman, Swordsmaster, and Adam Strange outselling Superman, Batman, and The Flash, because they put them in stories that actually mattered, with strong creative teams and good high concepts.
>>151015273Only mainline I care about is backlogs of Silver & Bronze Age stuff being collected.
>>151022510>and the characters should be allowed to age and mature. there's no more stories left to tell with 90 year old Bruce Wayne>and everything should go back to the classic meat and potatoes iconic version of the characters. no woke dei legacy replacementsretard alert
>>151022670He's absolutely right though.
>>151022584> Adam Strange outselling Superman, Batman, and The Flashwhen?
>>151015273You literally can't, the reason care for Absolute, it's because it's new and accessible, it does help that the books aren't complete shit, but even the mediocre ones like Absolute GL get more attention than mainline GL.You can't make main canon accessible without rebooting it all, and that's exactly why they're making the Absolute stuff separate in the first place, so they can have their cake and eat it too.
>>151020312KO aside I actually like a fair bit of what DC is putting out. The big thing they need to fix is what they did to Jon. Supersons was the best thing DC had in AGES and I can't believe they just let Bendis fuck it sideways.
>>151023125Those are the Countdown to Infinite Crisis minis.OMAC Project, Villains United, Day of Vengeance, and Rann-Thanagar War.
>>151021514marveldrones are way more soulless, they eat up anything Marvel throws at them.DCfags on the other hand are more entitled, the type that will bitch about a single thing daily for years.
>>151015273Hire writers that care about the characters.Tell them to write good stories.Stop being anal retentive about which characters belong in which sub-brand when you're going to make a bunch of crossovers anyway.DC will never do this because they don't care about writers who care or good stories or anything other than being a holding farm for IPs.
>>151020312>Have a new trinity title but with Kon, Dick and Donna.Why? Kon is friends with Tim and Cassie, not Dick and Donna.
>>151023340>>151022584incredibly disingenuous to act like supporting characters in 4 heavily advertised event books were the reason they sold so well
we need strong EICs again
>>151015273Don't worry, situation will normalize when everyone gets tired of Absolute universe in 2 years or so.
>>151024087He's implying that when you advertise a book and make it tie into events they sell, yes.
>>151021514>You guys don't talk about Marvel in the same wayI don't give a SHIT about Marvel. That company could die tomorrow and I would not notice. DC I have some happy memories with so I'd prefer if it could unfuck itself.
>>151024087No, it's literally the point. The Countdown to IC books sold well despite the C-list casts because DC advertised and promoted them, explained how important they were to the larger shared universe, and delivered on quality (mostly).DC then did it again with 52.Modern event books being trinitywank is a choice.
>>151020312Why would any of these make a blimp in sales? You’re just being a whiny cunt of a fanboy.
>>151020431>instead of returning to vertigoHellblazer sold like shit under Vertigo. That’s part of the reason it was axed at #300
>>151021514Whodathunk this place is filled with bitter people obsessed with nostalgia
>>151022584>These books sell when you put big name creators on them and when you make them matter.No they don’t. Geoff Johns didn’t make Vibe sell gang busters the way his GL, JL, Flash runs did. Vibe had just okay sales. This is why they don’t put major talent on C-list characters, they sell more copies when writing bigger books.
>>151026914IC was twenty years ago already. The current day market is not going to give a flying fuck about event tie-ins with C-listers no matter how much you promote it.
>>151026988Vibe didn't matter.
>>151019779Could it be genuinely argued that the comics division doesn't have any goalpost besides corporate synergy, at least for the last few years. I'm not that well informed but just by the looks of it, it seems like DC has a far greater disposition to let the comics be their own thing, and have direction beyond "release X book/event now that a movie is coming out".
>>151026944He isn't selling well in the DCU either.
>>151015273The following mainline series are good if you start following them at the right issue>Batgirl>Nightwing #119>Batman and Robin #14
>>151020312>No more tom king, tom Taylor, Aaron, spurrier, ram v, mark Russell, Matt fraction, chip zdarsky, etc. move on from these people. No Hickman, slott, Ewing, Ahmed, etc marvel writers either. Move on from this generation of writers.I concur. Fuck these people
>>151027212That’s why he makes mostly guest appearances, chum
>>151027079Vibe was part of Johns’ JLA cast and there was clear synergy attempt to make him important due to the multiverse/Boom Tube connection. This was also happening around the same time they were prepping the Flash TV show where Vibe was part of the supporting cast, so again, there was a lot of push for such a D-list and it didn’t make his sales particularly good despite top talent working on his comic. And the book got cancelled quick after Johns for obvious reasons was freed to focus on more important projects
>>151026988Because he bailed fast on the character and it wasn't a case of a D lister, Vibe is literally a Z lister.
>>151028093He left because the sales were not good enough to warrant an A-list writer wasting his time on it when he could be selling three times on a more on an “important” book
>>151028126Nigger, don't try to rewrite history, he "left" after the first issue, which is a way of saying he didn't actually write anything and just gave a personal butt buddy some notes for ideas, maybe. Remember, we have solicits 3 months in advance so it was known that he was going to be off before the first issue actually went on sale.>wasting his time on it when he could be selling three times on a more on an “important” bookYeah, like JLA... which he also left in less than a year.
>>151028126If a writer needs to ride popular characters then he's not A-list
>>151015273>How would you resurrect DC's mainline?EASYbring back preflashpoint titlesEVERY SINGLE OF THEMDC should just contine from there.
>>151020431Editorial is known to post here.
It's too late.
>>151029229Rebirth was pretty good
>>151029221Geoff Johns is an A-lister, it just goes to show that the you can’t make smaller characters sell just by attaching a big writer on them
>>151031583It was ass cancer.
Absolute Crisis
>>151031583The only good Rebirth title had to do with Pre-Flashpoint Superman & Jon. We all saw how that turned out.
>>151015273Reboot everything from zero
>>151033024It won't help.
>>151026993When was the last time they tried? Modern event tie-ins with c-listers have no impact on the larger story.
>>151034165Right now with DC KO?
>>151015420You weren't gonna read it and complain no matter what they did anyway
>>151034545There are no c-lister tie-ins to DC K.O.
>>151035107Plenty of the characters featured are. Just not getting their own books.
>>151034545>Snyder >trying to write something that isn't batwank
>>151035855So not at all what they were talking about, right.
>>151020312Absolutely based
>>151020312retarded>No more tom king, tom Taylor, Aaron, spurrier, ram v, mark Russell, Matt fraction, chip zdarsky, etc. move on from these people. No Hickman, slott, Ewing, Ahmed, etc marvel writers either. Move on from this generation of writers.i agree
>>151034556That's not entirely false
