I genuinely don't understand his meltdown. Did he go ballistic because he feels irrelevant, because Connie rejected him, or because he has unresolved childhood trauma?
>>151020778It's a foid show. You may as well be asking how Lapis didn't cause an ecological disaster when she made the space elevator.
>>151020778Is a Crybaby pussy
He should have sex'd Peridot
>>151020778No, he was just a fat faggot.
>>151020778He went ballistic because A) He spent his entire life under constant attack by aliens and monsters, so now his body perceives emotional stress as a sign of physical danger. B) His entire adolescence was spent not only literally saving the universe but resolving the problems of everyone around him, to the point that in times of peace where there were no problems for him to solve he found himself with no real sense of identity and a constant sense that something is going to go wrong if he doesn't do something to fix it. and C) he's got a giant magical gem in his gut that reacts to his emotions, which he's been forced to learn to control and weaponize in order to survive instead of processing them normally.
>>151020778Teenage hormones + experimental alien powers + no one to explain to him how to deal with either.
>>151020778This is what you need to understand.When they made the iron man movie with rdj it was experimental. No one tried to make a good super hero movie before. Then the aubsequent movies were big successes. Thus the vultures came.Iron man 2 right after avengers. They made the movie about iron man having ptsd. Why does he have ptsd? Wan to list off a bunch of good reasons? No read the interviews. Just being a hero is the reason. Heroism. This staryed a trend. Every hero needed to be mentally scared by their heroic actions. Every hero needed to be torn down and shown crying and whinging about their feelings.Steven is just another in a line of super heros who are victims of this trend.
>>151021506>so now his body perceives emotional stress as a sign of physical dangerOk but why does it only start happening years after the fact?
>>151021950>No one tried to make a good super hero movie before
>>151020778>we accidentally made a male protagonist who is competent, confident, and who will try to address his problems in an honest and constructive way after a long time spent growing, learning, and maturing>FUCK>FUCK FUCK FUCK>BURN IT ALL DOWN>ABORT
>>151021966Also his recollection of past events as traumatic seems inconsistent with his actual response in the event.
>>151021506Those are the explanations they made up for Future. It's not what actually fucking happened in the series. Those reasons don't actually pan out, as Steven NEVER had any issue with gems and monsters and never had that "stress=danger" reaction. His entire adolescence was spent being cared for, loved, and looked after by half a dozen parental figures who raised him from a baby. They cared about his problems which is how he learned to care about theirs and why he went to such great lengths to help them every fucking time they would have meltdowns. And the Gem has been part of him and IS him for his entire life. There was no "force" when it came to controlling it because it isn't a foreign entity that threatens him.In short, you're not media literate. You're gullible. The show said things, so you took them at face value as true, instead of actually considering how what they insisted compares with what was shown and explained and explored previously.
>>151022014Why are they like this? And how did they get away with it for so long?
>>151021966Because as a kid all his stress came from actual dangers or problems that he could take steps to solve or avoid so his mind could write them off as resolved. It's only once he was dealing with stress from situations he didn't have a way to resolve that it started to build up to a problematic level.
>>151022068No, they said "you have PTSD" and I looked back on all the terrifying shit Steven was forced to go through on a weekly basis as a young child and went "yeah that makes sense".
>>151020778pop psy is really annoying, more so than the real thing, and a certain demographic really loves it because talking about mental health gets you a lot of points. i wonder how outdated all this talk will look when the field evolves into something concrete.
>>151022213Again, not how that works when we saw the direct result and aftermath of all of those events. Steven never wanted to stop going on adventures. He didn't have nightmares and anxieties about previous encounters with danger. It's utter bullshit and hamfisted retconning of Steven's character.They wanted to tell a story where Steven had PTSD because the writing team was high on their own farts about tumblr pop psychology, so they literally wrote a scene where they just say "Steven you have PTSD"
>>151022342you didn't understand the show
I still find his solution to his problems to be kind of odd. Like I’m no psychologist or anything, but is leaving behind all your loved ones who support and care for you to go travel the country really the healthiest way to deal with his issues?
>>151022379Show, don't tell. They couldn't make the PTSD and general psychological trauma work with the show they already made. So they resorted to directly telling the audience a conflicting story, because it doesn't work otherwise. Steven spent the entire series exploring his own problems and coming to terms with them, most often in healthy and constructive ways. Then they wanted to do a "mature" show about "serious" topics, so they contrived some additional mental trauma that just didn't come up during the seasons he spent sorting out all that other trauma.If you think anything about SU Future holds up, you're retarded and gullible. You needed them to tell you what to think, because you're incapable of analyzing what the show actually said and did with its characters.
>>151022407not just that, literally how is he going to survive? he has no experience dealing with humans besides the townies and greg and no money. is his dad just going to be wiring him money the whole time? kind of defeats the theme of independence and leaving home.
>>151021986At that point? No they hadnt. Everyone tapped to work on a sh movie had to mske sure the gen lu kic knew that they thought comic books and suoer heros were dumb. The few good ones youre about to point to were aberrations. The pre maevel studios era was abysmal
>>151022484I guess it'd be a learning experience. Not one he needs, mind you. Learning to be an adult is a bit less relevant when you're Jesus and your father is a millionaire. Maybe he should just pull an actual Jesus and go around healing people or using his other ten powers I can't even remember now.
>>151022015Tony stark becoming a blubbering cry baby because he...almost died this one time (but not his weeks spent in a mid east terrorist prison or any of the other times he almost died). It's a part of cumtural marxism to tear down heros.
>>151022484His dad is probably finding it, but yeah like he’s got no real life experience or learning, real world is gonna eat him up.
>>151020778No lapussy
>>151022314All of them took psych101 and now every tv show and movie is psych101: the movie. They think thwyre doing a spcial good by building "Therapy" into everything but in reality they just dont have good ideas for stories or know how to write.
>>151022546Yeah that story makes 100x more sense than what happened but literally recreating a christ figure was the opposite of their goals. So the story had to make a hard left to avoid it.The shame here is that su has a lot of good merits and to sugar's credit she lifted off the shows philosophy in small ways when it interfered with a logical story. But this was the prologue where they try to buy all of that back.
>>151022553They were just clumsy with that part of his arc. It wasn't just that he almost died in an alien portal, but that the conflicts they were dealing with were getting so big that he couldn't see any sort of way for a half dozen weirdos with super powers being able to do anything about threats that big. He got through being imprisoned in a cave by inventing a solution to escape. The escalating cosmic threats scared him because he couldn't see a way for him to invent a way out of threats large enough to dump unlimited forces from across the universe onto their little planet.I'm not saying it's great and that tearing down Tony wasn't the intention, but they at least attempted to make it make sense.
>>151022912>no no it wasnt intentional they just made an oopsyEnough with the gas lighting. Who is this for? They said exactly why in interviews. They thought they were being new and edgey to show heros cry like little girls because saving the world is scawwy. We need another panic attack sequence in another movie.
>>151020778The main issue Steven was facing in future is that he no longer had a role in Beach City, no one needs their day saved and everyone pretty much has their own thing figured out. Steven has to find an identity outside of "semi-willing semi-forced superhero child." which I wished they approached better. Honestly I think the whole thing could have been avoided if Steven had the space to jerk off a bunch and lift.
>>151022994Learn to read, faggot. I'm saying they wanted to tear him down, but they wanted the reason to make sense.
>>151023006He had his mom's room
>>151023052The reason didnt make sense. They wanted to tear him down and specifically the reason had to be>as a consequence of his heroismThis is the important part. Being an exceptional individual who actually saved the day had to injure him. Had to cripple him. He had to be a cautionary tale lest he be an inspiration.
>>151023093I didn't say they did so successfully.
>>151023060Would you jerk off in your moms room?
>>151023290My mom's room was the computer room when I was a kid, so if she wasn't around, I've jerked off there before and I would again.
>>151023006He WAS lifting with Jasper, which ended badly because it became it his only outlet and neither of them knew how to pump the brakes. I think what would've worked for him is>lifting and light sparring with Jasper>hanging out with Kevin and Andy to learn how to act halfway normal>full power training with his aunts so he doesn't accidentally kill anyone>use Rose's room to simulate a small dictatorship to vent his control issues>also use it to make Cloud Connie suck his dick if the real one doesn't put out
>>151020778Full balls, and no sex education to teach him to pump slop where it belongs ie Peridot, Lapis, Pearl, etc.
>>151023819What a retard he is for choosing the indian over all those sexy gems
>>151021197Peridot is too fragile for himHe needs a strong gem
>>151024008By her own words, anon, "We Peridots are tougher than we look"
>>151021966Because of Connie’s retarded mom.
>>151023842Not even the hotter Indian.
>>151020778A little of column A, B, and C along with him losing most of his support system. People rarely have a fucking meltdown over one single thing. It's typically a lot of little things that have been building up that get set off by some catalyst.
>>151024698How much of it would have been helped by getting some gemussy?
>>151022342It's not "traumatic stress disorder" It's "POST traumatic stress disorder". The symptoms dont show themselves during the events that cause it, they become apparent once it's over and you try to go on with a normal life.
>>151022452The problem with Future is that Sugar read a book on trauma and more or less projected what she read onto Steven as a character despite this direction inherently undermining the thematic-emotional throughline of SU. SU only functions because Steven succeeds at being a bodhisattva/Christ figure (even if the metaphysics to achieve the Happiest Ending are literally on his side the entire time). Retroactively going "erm, this has left Steven with serious trauma that he will now have to spend years healing from" not only shits on what SU was building towards, but it also makes it way less interesting.Steven was only able to heal the Gems of their pain, stop the cycle of violence, and bring them to salvation/enlightenment through being healthy himself. Proceeding to then go "actually, he was never healthy" not only damages the tone, but it's also boring! Watching a cartoon Jesus or Buddha isn't worth the investment if he ends up as broken goods. That goes against the whole point of following characters like Steven. It's like if you watched The Last Temptation of Jesus Christ but Jesus NEVER has any sort of true resolve and continues to act emotionally immature from start to end. That does not make for a dramatic and interesting story.You cannot tell 100% accurate PTSD and trauma recovery in a hyper-exaggerated story because FICTION IS NOT REAL LIFE and CHARACTERS ARE NOT PEOPLE. Fiction is much smaller, more deterministic, and has structure and rules behind it. Real life is not as simple.
>Greg's Parents never opened a single letter from him.>They, like Andy, have no idea Greg has a son.It's probably for the best Steven never met his grandparents.
>>151024721I mean... it couldn't have hurt.
>>151024873I feel like Steven's relationship with his parents would be like Orel's dynamic with his grandpa from Moral Orel. It's a very believable one found in real-life family drama where the grandparents are strict/mean/authoritarian to their kids (because they got super fucked up when they were younger), but are much warmer to their grandkids and show far more empathy/compassion by comparison.
>>151024926Maybe that stems from realizing that their strict approach fucked up Clay and Greg respectively.
>>151024873It would probably be the Very Special Episode where he learns about slurs.
>>151022407The biggest mistake Sugar made was assuming that Steven's community wasn't suited as a home where Steven could heal from his emotional pain because "erm, his guardians failed him and now he's all screwed up because of it" even though she more or less has to make everyone act OOC in order for Steven to actually have his meltdown (to then justify him leaving) all while ignoring the fact that it was only BECAUSE OF STEVEN that his friends and family were able to heal themselves and become more responsible people (both individually and as a whole).>>151022314Pop psychology is aggravating because it's marketed and pushed by people who were burned by religion and shitty parenting but lack the confidence, curiosity, and self-compassion to find a religion/philosophy that helps them heal, an actual community (that isn't just people living further atomized lives), or rebuilding relationships with immediate/extended family. Pop psychology is literally nothing but selfish anti-social cope that encourages arrested development, slave mentality, and purposeful stagnancy.
>>151024052>you will never fuck a peridot so hard she poofswhy go on living?
>>151025185To dream about it
>>151024873>Greg's Parents never opened a single letter from him.>But also don't throw any of the letters outThis was the least believable part of that episode. Either your son is dead to you and you just automatically bin anything you get from them, or he's not and at a bare minimum you take the time to read his letters.
>>151025207Or they opened and read them, but saved them in a very organized fashion.
>>151023724real Connie gets love making and passion, Rose room Connie gets used and thrown around like an inflatable sex doll vs the Hulk.
>>151024873Then again maybe Steven would enjoy the strict and firm parenting style since it’s so opposite of how Greg raised him. As much as I love Greg as a character, his parenting style of absolute freedom and no boundaries are a part of why Steven got fucked up.
>>151025266Imagine Connie comes back and finds out Steven's grandparents have already married him off to another well-heeled family.
>>151024858Whole thing also reeks of amateur "deconstruction writing" that you get from people who aren't genre savvy in the first place.>In THIS mecha series, the pilots are children and they get TRAUMA because WAR IS BADyeah thanks. Gundam beat you to that half a century ago. You're not original or clever for saying "erm actually a child protagonist getting hurt would be in pain! And pain is bad!"
>>151025714>pretending Gundam was any more original or cleverThere are no new stories. Only different takes.
>>151025714Future also just feels weird for the same reason it would feel gross to see Pluto being officially considered a canon Astro Boy story, or if it turned out Venture Bros was a canon sequel to Jonny Quest. Or in the case of DC with Doomsday Clock, welding Watchmen to mainline DC.Deconstructions that go all the way (or at least try to in the case of SU Future) should never be directly tied to the source material because you risk making it ugly, and I really stress "ugly". It's like seeing an adult barge into a children's fairy tale story being told and demand it reflect his immature and ignorant sensibilities.
>>151025714Don't compare Gundam to this needlessly sensitive tripe. Gundam has fucking balls and a spine.
>>151021950>Iron man 2 right after avengers.shut the fuck up, retard
>>151020778He's an unstable freak of nature. It's nonsensical they just let him drive off into the distance on his own after he recently showed everyone he can instantly blow up into a world ending kaiju at the flip of a switch.
>>151024858Anon has made great points so I'll just say: it doesn't make any sense. They would've had to make the original a lot more from and edgy with Steven basically being a really kind and naive kid that's thrust into a really griff and abrasive environment where he's dealt a lot of meanspirited attacks from his friends and family and suffers a lot of losses. He literally dozed everyone's problems by just being positive and going "what if we were just goofy and nice?" and everyone said: "OMG I never thought of that before! You're the best, Steven!" then it ended with there not being any bad guys anymore and everyone being one big happy family. Literally he should be completely disconnected from reality like some kind of nepo baby that thinks they can just bliss out and show people crystals and it will solve all the worlds problems. Really, it's just a combination of things. Psychology is unironic Satanism. Carl Jung used to try to summon demons to possess him and write down what they 'told" him to form all the basis of his psychological "discoveries." They've moved passed the point of psyopimg everyone into ignoring their danger and survival instincts and thinking all problems can be solved with wishy washy platitudes and never violence so now they have to move on to the next ohase of making everyone a hysterical crybaby to further castrate the masses.
>>151022213>yeah that makes sense".It doesn't. This is the same level of writing as "Bobby you're gay."
Steven should had just fucked Connie's mom out of spite.
>>151020778women want to write about a male having emotions because when it happens in real life they don't respect him. women do not see men as human beings. i guarantee you that a man in touch with his emotions is not someone women are attracted to
>>151024789And they didn't show after in any of the multiple seasons they had, but when they did, they fucking addressed those doubts and fears and anxieties. You're a fucking retard.
>>151025797calm down
>>151021506I don't know why these anons are disagreeing with you. The show itself says you're right. The biggest chad critique is the show resolves it all by him crying and whining. It's such a Freudian slip on the woman writsr's parts he felt a lot better embracing his masculinity training with Jasper. And why did he accidentally shatter her (i.e. was forced to slap her in the relationship)? Because she wouldn't submit. Typical foid behavior.
>>151025961>they didn't show after in any of the multiple seasons they hadAll five seasons take place in under 2 years.
>>151021506>He spent his entire life under constant attack by aliens and monstersThis isn't true at all. It was less than a year. He had a super comfy childhood.
>>151028060If you made it through the first episode you would have seen that it shows that coming home to random monsters in his house has been a reoccurring thing for years.
>>151028115The show literally tells you Steven was never part of the CG and their missions.
>>151022213If the first series had ended, we would've felt complete with Steven's emotional journey. At no point did it ever feel like Steven had unresolved trauma lingering in the background that was manifesting itself in an assortment of ways.And no, that's not how PTSD works. People with PTSD show signs along the way long before they finally have a meltdown. They might take up addicting habits or have gradual changes in their personality. They don't live life normally for a couple of years and then start having panic attacks. The reason why Future feels like the PTSD came out of nowhere is because it's a time skip where we are to assume that Steven was living a relatively quiet and calm life, and then suddenly PANT PANT PANT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO ME. Even if you try to bottle things up, they WILL show themselves in other ways, such as new habits forming or new personality changes taking place. Again, because of the time skip, we're to assume that Steven remained relatively the same between the end of the first series and the start of the second since the audience never gets to see otherwise.I don't mind the idea that Steven going through puberty is fucking with his alien side. I don't even mind the idea of exploring a kiddie adventure leading to PTSD as a teenager. But Future just feels like an asspull because Sugar was going through therapy at the time and really wanted to push the idea that therapy is wonderful to her audience, I guess. Sugar's not a good writer. I don't know why people think she is. Her ideas are never executed the way she sees them in her head, and I know they're not because her interviews directly contradict what actually happens in her stories.
I don't understand why there are 6 concurrent steven universe threads on /co/ when the show has been off the air for 5 years.
>>151028199It was the last big /co/ show before everything got sent to streaming/marathoned oblivion. Even SU by the very end was suffering from the latter.TOH, Amphibia, Primal, and even Arcane have a lot of fans, but none of them have episode premieres as big events like Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Rick & Morty (before it zombified), and Gravity Falls did.
>>151020778>Did he go ballistic because he feels irrelevantYes>because Connie rejected himYes>because he has unresolved childhood traumaYes. All of these are valid reasons for why he melted down.
>>151021966Because he was a stupid kid and didn't really grasp the absurd danger scale of the shit that was happening around him since he had been growing up around magical nonsense and going on magical 'adventures' for ages to the point where it was normalized. It was 'fun' to go on adventures and save the world but only when he gets older and has more interactions with normal people that he realizes how fucked up it was, the emotions retroactively hit him like a freight train.
>>151022524GOOOOOD MORNING SAAR!
>>151028156He did start leaving on missions with them until after the show started, but episode one there's literally giant centipedes destroying his bedroom and they treat it like it's a normal Tuesday.
>>151021966This was always happening. It's just that for most of his life his stress WAS physical danger.It's simple PTSD.
>>151028060He was having sporadic encounters with corrupted gem monsters most of his life.Homeworld gems were the new threat that lasted less than a year.
>>151028156Doesn't matter, the monsters were all over the place.Remember when he met Connie and ended up in a fight with a big worm thing?The Crystal Gems were barely even in that episode.
>>151020778>going through puberty >he's used to being one of the most powerful beings in the universe but... no one really needs him any more>realised his dad was a loser and he missed out on grandparents>his mother caused a war and genocide and everyone is aware of this>constant life or death fights, often apocalyptic in nature>Connie rejected him>the ship between two of his best friends never happened>he has to deal with a bunch of gems walking around that are the spitting image of his mum>most of his friends kinda suck, only peridot was even noticed he was in the early stages of a complete breakdown. They're mostly too autistic to talk about his problems with him.>he'll probably never snu snu his hot auntsThe final season was just kinda amusing how all this shit got piled on him and the resolution was basically a 30 second "oh yeah, I'm in therapy now" at the end. RS was great at bringing up complicated issues but was shit in actually resolving them.
>>151028446I feel like 'connie rejecting him' is a bit overblown, she just refused his panic proposal + suggestion that they live as stevonnie forever because that's psycho behaviour and clearly something he was just suggesting out of desperation to feel some control/stability in his messed up life.
>>151021966Hey, check out the emotionally healthy dork who's never bottled anything up
>>151028535I guess it was more him feeling he'd fucked up so bad that that he'd damaged the relationship permanently, his one solid relationship with a grounded person.
>>151028372Not how PTSD works, retard.
>>151022524Shit the fuck up and stop phone posting kid. Your fingers are fucking fat
>>151028591It's like a soldier freaking out because there was a loud noise and he thought it was gunfire or something.
>>151021950He got the PTSD because he almost died in space surrounded by an army Earth couldn't hope to defend against
>>151023093Anon the movie ends with him triumphing over his PTSD and getting the arc reactor in his chest removed, literally un-crippling him
In the original Steven Universe, Steven’s story is one of gaining incremental, emotionally maturity. He learns empathy, perspective, and leadership, not through being crushed by trauma but by facing conflict with compassion and reason. Episodes like “Mindful Education” and “Storm in the Room” explicitly show Steven processing guilt, fear, and moral complexity in a healthy way. He internalizes responsibility without losing optimism.Steven Universe Future, however, reinterprets those same experiences as cumulative trauma, flattening Steven’s growth into damage. Suddenly, everything he endured (teaching Peridot empathy, reforming Jasper, resolving the Gem War, balancing human and Gem identity) is reframed not as heroic development but as psychological scarring. The issue isn’t that Steven feels lost after the war, which is a valid concept, but that the writing disregards its own earlier text to impose a narrative of unprocessed trauma that never truly fit the character arc we watched.This makes the “trauma” feel unearned, because it contradicts how Steven was actually written before. He wasn’t a character repressing pain under forced optimism; he was a character who integrated pain into growth.
>>151025207I think they're a parallel to White Diamond they don't want to invest emotional energy until he comes home and stops acting like a child. They might even know where he is just like White Diamond.
>>151028760Future attempts to be a show about mental health, but it leans on a kind of online-therapy pop psychology (buzzwords and surface-level “trauma culture”) rather than authentic human development. Instead of showing Steven working through confusion and sadness in the way a resilient person might, it drops him into sudden crisis as if that’s the inevitable endpoint of kindness and responsibility.This mimics a popular but incorrect therapeutic assumption: that trauma is an inevitable result of stress, and that empathy or self-sacrifice always implies repression. The show seems to adopt a framework where any difficulty Steven faced retroactively becomes harm, instead of experience. In real-world psychological terms, that’s a misunderstanding of resilience theory and post-traumatic growth. It assumes fragility where the original show demonstrated robustness.As a result, Future ends up portraying healing not as an extension of Steven’s wisdom but as a total personality breakdown that must be repaired through external intervention. This culminates in his transformation into a kaiju, the most literalized metaphor for “internalized pain made monstrous.” It’s unsubtle to the point of parody, a high school psychology essay masquerading as emotional maturity.
>>151028812To make that arc “fit,” the show warps or erases other characters’ established growth.The Gems become emotionally negligent, ignoring Steven’s distress even though the original series established them as deeply attentive to his well-being. Their obliviousness feels written to justify his breakdown rather than emerging organically.Connie, who was once a partner in Steven’s emotional life, is reduced to an expository tool. Her distance serves the plot’s trauma thesis rather than her or Steven’s established emotional rhythm.The Diamonds are rewritten as repentant but emotionally unavailable, which would be fine except the writing presents them as more nurturing than the Crystal Gems. That completely upends the show’s moral logic.These shifts make Future feel like fanfiction written by someone who only superficially understood the first show’s emotional grammar. Rebecca Sugar seemed more invested in delivering a broad “message” about trauma than in staying true to the internal consistency of the characters.
>>151028845The greatest irony of Future is that it undoes the moral foundation of the show. The original show said:>Empathy, patience, and communication can lead to peace and understanding.Future effectively says:>Empathy and responsibility will destroy you if you don’t take care of yourself.That message isn’t wrong per se, but it’s incompatible with what came before. It reframes Steven’s kindness not as his greatest strength but as a pathology. Instead of validating his emotional intelligence, it pathologizes it. That’s regression, not growth.The story that once celebrated Steven’s ability to harmonize human and Gem perspectives becomes a story about him fleeing both worlds. The hero who built bridges leaves town broken, misunderstood, and alienated. What was once a hopeful exploration of love’s power to heal becomes a bleak warning about emotional overextension and the dangers of caring about other people.
>>151028760Thinking that emotional growth negates/erases pain, or the reverse, is such a childish view of the world. Happiness is fleeting and sadness is all-consuming. You cannot eliminate one or the other permanently
>>151028730>un-crippling him>Until Age of Ultron where his PTSD is triggered and becomes the source of 90% of the problems in the movies that followShut the fuck up.
>>151028867Much of Future feels like the creative team projecting their own burnout and guilt for having made an emotionally intense series that was ostensibly aimed at kids. Rather than letting Steven’s arc end as a symbol of balanced compassion, they reframe him as a mirror for their own post-production exhaustion, turning his peace into PTSD.This self-insertion breaks narrative continuity. Steven stops being a character and becomes a case study, a therapeutic punching bag for the creators’ feelings. The show’s last act isn’t actually about Steven at all. It's about Rebecca Sugar telling the audience she feels bad about how much emotional labor the show demanded of her. That’s likely true, but it’s not good character writing and it's got nothing to do with the fiction she helped create.The first series wanted to build emotional nuance without cynicism, and it genuinely believed people could change, that growth could be joyful even when painful, even if it was often contrived and sappy. Future replaces that sincerity with diagnostic fatalism. By making Steven’s journey end in alienation, the series rewrites his hope as naivety. That’s the core betrayal: Future forgets that Steven’s optimism wasn’t delusion, it was discipline. If you look at Future as pop-psychology in action, it’s almost a case study in what happens when creators prioritize flimsy "realism" with their own cynical, self-destructive tendencies. It’s not that depicting trauma is wrong, it’s that they ignored their own text, treating a resilient, self-aware character as a repressed one so they could deliver a prefab moral about “dealing with your trauma.”The result is a story that unintentionally invalidates the heart of the original series in order to make a point about mental health that feels contrived, not poignant. With other media at the time also ham-fisting stories about anxiety and PTSD, it all comes off as trend chasing.
>>151028932That take mistakes emotional complexity for fatalism. Growth doesn’t erase pain, but it changes how pain functions. Mature emotional development isn’t just eliminating sadness or pretending happiness is permanent. It allows a person to experience both without being consumed by either. The pain and trauma don't go away, but emotional growth is what allows people to deal with it without panic attacks and turning into a literal kaiju. Maybe seek actual therapy if you truly believe you can't have enduring happiness and that sadness will always consume you.
>>151022135This is a joke, retard.
>>151029018>Growth doesn’t erase painNo it doesn't. We're actually on the same page here. It's stupid to fucking assume PTSD just goes away after a magic therapy session.
>>151020778>I genuinely don't understand his meltdown.He was trying to come to terms with his place in the world after fulfilling his magical destiny. Mom was a monster, Dad was a toxicaly positive deadbeat, his 3 adoptive mothers all decided to focus on themselves, his aunts were oblivious to the hell they put him through, he accidentally killed the one person giving him an emotional outlet, the relationship with his girlfriend wasn't what he thought it was, and he's got a glowing space rock shoved in his gut which starts doing crazy shit every time he isn't a stoic, emotionless, support rock.I mean just forget the trauma bit for a second and just imagine the shit his gem does when all the adult emotions set in: Resentment, anger, lust, alienation, all the negative shit normal people learn to cope with as a teenager but he had to repress because losing his shit meant the poltergeist living in his soul starts involuntarily wrecking everything around him.
>>151029235It's stupid to assume that PTSD would ever happen with a character like Steven who spent years being openly and actively aware of his feelings and personal problems, and then have him just conveniently repress just enough trauma this whole time to not realize he's been mentally ill because he never addressed his problems and neither did anyone around him.
>>151029335He went through a ton of shit that would give him PTSD.Hell, just getting blasted out into space that one time would be enough for most people.
>>151028932And then he saves the universe in the end.
>>151029605PTSD doesn't just happen because someone has experienced trauma. It is a condition that arises from repressing and burying that trauma and refusing to deal with it until is manifests as mental illness. You seem to think that because Steven experienced things that would be traumatic that it is believable that he would developed PTSD. Everyone else is saying that wouldn't happen because Steven did all the things that allow people to avoid PTSD. The fact that he's a big faggy crybaby who always wants to talk about his feelings and hug things out and do therapy to all his villains is why a lot of people hate the series in the first place.
>>151030929Cute
>>151029685That's completely fucking retarded and not based in reality at all. Soldiers don't avoid getting PTSD from being surrounded by gunfire if they're crying the entire time. You are also taking Steven's in-the-moment reactions from the original series at face value and not as evidence of him repressing and burying his feelings because you've already made up your mind.
>>151020778All of the above? He feels aimless and defined his life by how useful he was to others while never having the chance to fully resolve his own emotional and physical trauma.
>>151030929Disgusting
>>151032249No, you dense faggot, they don't get PTSD if they get actual therapy and counseling following deployment. Your understanding of trauma is pop psych bullshit.
>>151023006>that Stevengood shit
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>>151025741He didn't pretend Gundam was more original or clever Lazy Attempted Gotcha Anon #1641237357527257754. Please read posts more carefully (or at all) before tripping over your own feet for your epic "dunk."
>>151022213>all the terrifying shit Steven was forced to go through on a weekly basisHe spent 2/3rds of the entire show pissing around doing NOTHING. Like, this doesn't fucking work when there's a mountain of filler episodes where Steven's doing the same shit he's always done.
>>151022546Remember when his fluids fixed Connie's eyesight, healed Greg's arm and even brought Lars back to life? Steven is insanely overpowered and he could save millions of people with his SPIT. I just wonder what the limits of his powers are. I assume he can't save someone who's been decapitated or destroy invasive plants, but he could cure cancer.
>>151034536>So what if he almost died every few days? Just last week he went out for pizza!
>>151022342He did have nightmares, he did have anxieties, and he did have breakdowns multiple times throughout the show. Experiencing them once doesn't magically make them disappear forever.
>>151034928And...? What happened in those episodes and why did those anxieties and nightmares go away?
>>151034928Yeah it was pretty clear that Steven was getting more and more burdened by messed up shit over the storyline and he was mostly bottling it up.
>>151028199Rebecca Sugar is desperate for attention again so Sugarshills need to flood /co/ for industrycuck engagement. It's sad too because if SU:Future is her magnum opus then Lars of the Stars and her Moonmin project is going to be an utter shitshow of mismanaged IPs.
>>151028199Probably a resurgence due to Lars of the Stars.Like how there have been Homestuck threads due to an animated pilot.
>>151036020>flood /co/ for industrycuck engagementWhat did anon mean by this
Sexual frustrations basically . No man can be around women all his life and not hit
>>151028199Someone made a SU Future thread a couple weeks ago and it stayed active for weeks, so now either the same faggot is remaking the threads over and over for attention, or other faggots have imitated him for the same reason./co/ is such a shithole and people will latch onto anything that approximates genuine discussion.
Because HE'S GAY!HE'S RETARDEDHIS SHOW IS FOR FAGGOTS
