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who has the better plot armor?
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>>151021276
Batwank
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>>151021276
Aside from the times he gets random power boosts to shake things up or that one Thunderbolts run, Frank doesn't get wanked as much as big name heroes. He does get wanked a lot in noncanon stuff though. But it's hard to find any character jerked off more than Batman. Maybe Joker.
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>>151021357
If Frank became the Punisher Who Laughs he would be fucking invincible. Bullets wouldn't even hit him, they'd just curve around him.
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Frank is just a guy yet he survives encounters with the Avengers and Dr. Doom
Batman at least has the super genius Ozymandias thing
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>>151021276
The goddamn Batman.
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>>151021276
Batsy.
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Batwank ruined batman
The dark knight returns ruined batman
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>>151021276
Batman is partially justified by his billionaire status handwaving having a werid ass skill he trained in or literal armor, like bulletproofed bat suit

Punisher is just expected to be very good at things because Vietnam
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>>151021276
Batman. 1,000,000%.

>>151022187
The Avengers going easy on Frank because he's a normal dude is nothing compared to Batman facing down Darkseid on Apokalips and walking away victorious.
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>>151025433
I'm so tired of this being parroted if Frank Miller hadn't had him go toe to toe with Superman in TDKR someone else would have done it later on
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>>151021276

Batman and it's not close.
Only case of real punisherwank is a strictly noncanon "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" book and a handful of individual scenes where Ennis makes Wolverine or somebody job to him cause he thinks superheroes are stupid. Meanwhile Batman has been wanked to such absurd degree that you might as well put him in front of Thanos and people would seriously argue that Batman should win somehow. And Batman's wank is in CANON sources.
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>>151021276
batman has better plot armor, but that is actually a drawback. punisher is more a compelling, better character
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Batman, and it's not even close.
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>>151025656
I know and i don't necessarily hate him for it. I just hate the idea that writers feel like that should've been the progression of batman and its so lame. Batman should've known superman wouldnt willingly side with government and that the government using threatening lois as a means to control superman. It would've narratively shown just how corrupt the whole thing was and that batman finding the way to get the leesh off his friend. But i guess it would've been taboo at the time to really go all in ripping on the american government and peeling the layers back showing the patriotism of then was fake and gay.



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