These are the first 3 Cartoon Cartoons spawned from the "What A Cartoon" show, say something nice about them
>>151025922Dexter's Lab season 2 is an all-around good cartoon. The Red Guy from Cow and Chicken still makes me laugh.Season 1 of Johnny Bravo was abysmal though. So fucking boring.
>>151025922Along with PPG, Larry and Steve (Family Guy) and Courage, these are literally the only good shorts from the program.
>>151025945Tingblad-fag detected
>>151025922Say what you want about Cow & Chicken, but at least it didn't had a seasonal drop like Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Lab did
>>151025922Johnny Bravo is older than PPG??
>>151026070No, PPG had two WAC shorts around the same time. It got made later because Craig was hired for Dexter.
>>151025959So many Ren and Stimpy knock offs. There's two that I like that didn't get pick was the one about the sleazy guy who finds a cursed pearl and the imp who fails to kill an old man but kills other people instead
>>151025922>early 2000's cartoon cartoons>all of them are aired and the best are greenlit into shows that are remembered 20 years later>2020 cartoon cartoons>none of the cartoons are released but held internally and none of them are greenlit and absolutely nothing is produced also tv is dead now
>>151025988he's right, though
>>151025922Dexter's Lab was great before the drop-offJohnny Bravo got really good once they allowed the setting to develop a littleCow and Chicken...was a turd, but one that allowed 'I am Weasel' to happen.
>>151026040people forget how Cow & Chicken used to be HOT. I remember as a kid, that I had ambiguous feelings, but it did win viewers award. It was also popular in Europe, especially eastern one, which were also freshly free from soviet boot
I haven't watched Dexter's Lab since it was airing new episodes probably, what's this 'drop-off' people are referring to?
>>151027093>Johnny Bravo got really good once they allowed the setting to develop a littleCareful, you will trigger Partible-fag, he's a very delicate flower
>>151027100some new meme. I don't care about the zoomer-speak
>>151025922They where fun
>>151027100Someone else was in charge for seasons 3 and 4 and the quality went off a cliff.
>>151027131not just someone, but savino. with that said, seasons 3 and 4 happened years later, like in xxi century?
>>151025922All great but Dexter was a little below to the other two on rewatch. It was a hit or miss.Dee Dee was the worst part of the show.
Cool pic of the creators.
>>151025959Are you sure? Captain Buzz Cheeply was pretty solid, as was Mina and the Count and Gramps.
>>151028153Feiss and Partible are still friends to this day, very nice.
>>151026123Fun Fact: Courage was noticed before PPG. The pilot was nominated for an Oscar, but didn't become a series until 1999. The reasoning being the 1996 Warner takeover, and Dilworth didn't want to relocate at Hanna Barbera Productions to develop the series, so he waited until it got resolved.
>>151027100>show originally ended after two seasons and a TV movie>Cartoon Network decided to bring it back for two more seasons a few years later>original creator was too busy with Samurai Jack so someone else was put in charge
>>151026123Didn't the PPG pilot have terrible focus test results?
You could vote which ones to get a show.
>>151028167>#13...
>>151025945>>151026040I thought season 1 of Jhonny Bravo was pretty bad, but seasons 2 and 3 are great, season 4 is by far the worst, barely watchable shit, it is almost nothing but guest star after guest star (the final episode has Weird Al, Don Knotts and Shaq), also making the episodes 11 minutes long instead of 7 was a mistake
>>151028410This
>>151027025Yeah, with the exception of Cow and Chicken, all the other shows were a lot more original with their concepts:Wannabe Casanova can't get a dateGenius boy inventor gets annoyed by his sister3 superpowered little girls fight crime before bedtimeA city girl has a student exchange program with a primitive islandA boy and girl force the grim reaper to be their friend foreverAll the kids in the world are secret agents fighting against adultsand so on and so forth. It's actually astonishing the variety the shows had, even if not all of them became huge hits like Powerpuff Girls.
>>151028740Yeah kids thought the PPG's designs were too weird so Craig almost redesigned them at the last minute
I swear I have this bizarre memory of the Powerpuff Girls where it was an advertisement for the show, but it was only Blossom and... I think Bubbles. I feel like either Buttercup or Bubbles just didn't exist at that point, or they were teasing more characters before it aired.
>>151027098Yeah cow and chicken was very much "part of the family" with all those other cartoons and /co/ is rewriting history when post claim it was hated
>>151029243nah all three of them existed from the very beginning, even as far back as Craig McCracken's student film at CalArts
>>151029277Just some weird memory I have then, I guess. I swear there was an advertisement with only two of them at one point, but maybe it's just a false memory.
>>151029264We have hard data for it too.
>>151027025Ren and Stimpy didn't invent that schtick. Hell, George and Junior had some shorts, and those are classic 1940s characters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NITv-iTwY
Remember when a creator months back seethed that his pilot wasn't picked up and blamed Tartakovsky for it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaarGNTFTQ
>>151028167Why did they only pick 5? Budget reasons?
>>151029243You might be thinking of these promos?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA2LnnOx9NU
>>151029520Probably. An animated series is a big investment so you lower the risk by making just one pilot to prove your stuff before risking it on a full series.
>>151029349Is there any gay porn parody of these two? I feel the whole "bend over" is pretty on the nose.
>>151029328It being a grossout show has soured younger people on it I think. Most haters have probably only seen clips or fail to put together that C&C being nasty made it unique like all those shows were when compared to one another. CN lineup back then had actual diversity
>>151029370Honestly, 2 minutes in and I can see why this wasn't picked up, or why kids wouldn't gravitate towards it. It takes too long for it to get to anything interesting, the voices are very grating (even when Bloo is yelling, it's not like his voice goes up an octave higher, it stays the same because of the forced accent), and the designs are too simple, but not in a memorable kind of way. They're more bland than anything. If I was a kid, I would have turned it off or just changed the channel. Like sure, I can appreciate the animation for looking nice, but that's really all it offers. I more so find myself asking what the premise for the show even is.The plot is just nonsensical. They're pirates for an inexplicable reason, but supposedly in the second episode according to the creator, they were going to start an airline? So it's quite literally just a show about nothing? I can see why this didn't get picked up. It's not particularly funny, the writing isn't really clever or witty, the slapstick is subdued to the point of being nonexistent, and two of the three main characters have next to no influence on the plot (which is apparently just three dogs doing random shit together, I guess). Bloo is the central character, duh. The show's named after him, that much is obvious. But it's almost like there's too much focus on him? To the point where he could quite literally be the only character involved and nothing would change at all. Everything is guided by his hand and from his perspective, which just makes him come off more selfish and self-centered than anything. The one comeuppance he could have faced from quite literally forcing a truck driver to have a head-on collision with a beef stew factory (sure, why not) is completely negated by a yarn ball. It's like the show is afraid to show Bloo getting back what he gives out, and just wants him to be like Bugs Bunny without giving actual justification, reason, or purpose for him always avoiding defeat.But idk.
>>151029070Agreed
>>151025922Red Guy is hands down one of the funniest cartoon characters ever spawned.
>>151028410I only had access to CN in the mid-to-late 90s and remembered Dexter being one of my favorite shows. Discovering the Savino seasons all these years later was such a mindfuck.Similar thing happend with PPG, in my opinion. The show wasn't "revived" the way Dexter was, but there was a season where they switched to digital animation and all the episodes past that point were notably less fun.
>>151030141why does digital animation always make shows look like shit? shouldn't it allow for more freedom and variation in style?
Sometimes I fantasize how awesome Cartoon Cartoon Fridays would have been on here, just a ton of great show fanbases feuding with each other but it doesn't matter because it's all good stuff.
>>151030184It's usually the opposite. As technique improves you have to put less and less effort in to make something. The end result is everything looking more realistic, bland and sterile.
>>151030630but why don't people just want to put in the effort anyway?
>>151029784So basically just a poor mans version of 2 Stupid Dogs.
>>151029648The funny thing is the show didn’t have those Ren and Stimpy style “gross, detailed close-ups” when Dexter did. >>151027063
>>151029370That Mike Milo guy has made a bunch of pilots, yet never got his own show so far.https://youtu.be/l4tVN0ccLrw?si=p7kwO8MOPsYc7NJzhttps://youtu.be/is80wOY1QR0?si=LjiS3kZ0p6HNoLtThttps://youtu.be/qc14UfTmZUo?si=Za7EgR8tJg3RXYR2https://youtu.be/t-t3l9o-Qww?si=EBgzYIkHCOYXwgcUhttps://youtu.be/HGomWBrc6A8?si=gsdiXQmiHGtNe3Mg
>>151028410>>151030141Dextrr was the first time I realized a good show could become bad.
January 1996 was when Johnny Bravo and Cow and Chicken were greenlit, with I Am Weasel starting development as the middle segment of the latter cartoon. Cow and Chicken's pilot premiered on November 12th, 1995, so it was greenlit in less than 2 months. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uO_AbX4fu0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooI0Xu5ebCY
>>151027137I'm gonna defend Savino, a lot of the bad episodes of that season were ideas the crew had back during the good seasons. I think Dexter was lighting in a bottle.
>>151028167Wait, wasn't Mina and the count a Oh yeah cartoon? Aka Nickelodeon?
>>151028992Why don't they do this now?
>>151025922Yucky duck?
>>151025945>Season 1 of Johnny Bravo was abysmal though. So fucking boring.Yeah. It was fine as like a bumper cartoon. Super short. But when they tried to stretch the schtick into plots it couldnt hold it.
>>151031958It was on both, only pilot to do so. It was actually close to getting picked up, but executives were creeped out by the relationship of a vampire and a little girl, despite it being innocent. We got Teenage Robot because Nick backed out on making another Mina short.
>>151027063CEO's are so greedy that there are probably hundreds of pilots that we'll never know about for an arbitrary set amount of years because of NDA. This is probably another reason behind why people post their pilots on youtube and then opt to shop them around later
>>151025922All of these were 7 minute cartoons as well, why did CN decide to switch to 11 minutes?
>>151029204>blossom pee pee danceShould have been in the actual show
>>151032077https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3480&v=M4NErpCXFh0&feature=youtu.be
>>151032039Intersting, so an alternate world might hame M&C bit not MlatR
>>151029370Cartoonists who only ever want to try and remake the Looney Tunes cartoons they grew up with almost seem to have a skewed perspective on what a cartoon should beBugs isn't some annoying cartoon character, he's typically getting back at people who deliberately mess with him but for some reason a lot of these guys end to design characters who just do shit to be annoying for nothing more than personal gain and slapstick comedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fBeIf4JNbc
>>151032039>A little girl and a vampire having a friendly, platonic relationship is creepy.>Two kids physically and emotionally abusing the shit out of a skeleton man is perfectly fine.I love Billy and Mandy, but I don't understand the standards of these guys.
>>151032872america freaks out whenever a little girl is on screen, it's just how they are
>>1510328721) Vampires throughout literature and pop culture have usually been portrayed with very romantic/sexual overtones2) Grim was their slave, and actively didn't want to be around them.
>>151031958I remember reading the synopsis for each episode of Mina & Count on some website aggregating various cartoons. There was like 26 episodes or so planned with some ongoing continuity. AFAIR Dracula's servant Igor was apparently fired and abandoned by count, and the Igor was planning a revenge of sorts. There are like 6 episodes of unaired Mina show on youtube or dailymotion, and they were more or less compliant with what the synopsis said.Weird that nobody ever discussed it, as if nobody ever found these synopsis?
>>151032808>Van Partible>in a van
>>151025922Do you think the creators were happy that their cartoons were featured in promotions and advertisment alongside legacy Hanna Barbera characters? I would feel proud and honoured.
>>151033012Always thought he was asian from his face.
>>151033327He is Fillipino.
>>151033327or worse... a HAPAit would explain his hatred for chads
>>151028167Shake and Flick were also in other advertisement, was it close to getting greenlit?
>>151031967They tried to push him but he never got off the ground. Even got bumpers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkyit3Y29s
>>151025945>>151029070>>151031978The funniest thing about Johnny Bravo is that his creator seems unaware of how shit his work truly is, he was fired because he had problems running the show early on, the second showrunner did a way better job, he refuses to share the show's "Mess-O-Blues" pilot because he's embarrassed over his early work and wants it to be more "valuable" by hoarding it (unlike Maxwell Atoms who shared the Billy & Mandy prototype without problem), he claimed during Butch Hartman's podcast that back when they were in talks about making a Johnny Bravo live action movie they Rock said "We need to get the best writers" and he said "Hey! I'm a writer" and then the project felt apart (he claims he wrote a full movie script and is still pitching it), maybe he's just a SHIT writer, in 2004 he went back to Cartoon Network to pitch another show but they rejected all his ideas and instead they told him to just make another Johnny Bravo season instead, he hated seasons 2 & 3 so much that he removed Pops entirely aside from a mute cameo and he relegated Carl to 3 minor roles where he just walks by, crashes a car and then crashes a car again, he made the episodes 2 segments of 11 episodes long instead of 3 segments of 7 episodes long hurting the show's pacing, with the removal of Carl & Pops, Johnny had almost no one to interact with aside from the guest stars that were spammed during the last season, the show ended up doing poorly and was cancelled leaving various episodes unproduced
You sure? I thought Cow and Chicken came after PPG, didn't it?
>>151033949As a pilot, yes. As a series, no.>>151028992
>>151033797Agreed, season 2 and 3 were kino, at leats those seasons had way more episodes than seasons 1 and 4 put together
>>151033949The Dexter's Lab series came out in 1996, Cow & Chicken and Johnny Bravo came out in 1997, all the pilots came out in 1995 however
>>151034014Ah. Okay.So there's this this half remembered cartoon short I recall of the characters visiting a water processing plant and I recall the tour guide saying the the result is a "clear, water flavored beverage", or something like that. Which short was that? It was that from Oh Yeah! Cartoons?
>>151034102That doesn't even remotely address what that post said.
>>151034108Godfrey and Zeek?https://youtu.be/DyZqbhJI2cY?feature=shared
>>151034163Indeed it is. Danke, amigo.
>>151034485No problem. Fun fact: The guy sitting on the bus is supposed to be Genndy Tartarkovsky, and he's reading a John K magazine. I think this might be the first caricature of Genndy.
>>151033797>>151034026Seasons 2-3 had a better art style, that's the one they used in most of the merch as well
>All this Johnny Bravo season 1 slanderI'll give you that Season 4 is largely really bland and forgettable but season 1 had a bunch of genuinely good episodes....they're mostly just the Seth McFarlane ones, but they're damn good nonetheless
>>151034120Yes
>>151033797
>>151034163>LinkHuh. The Dexter lab one is in there, but many of the other gone-to-series aren't.Sad.
>>151034786It's some samefag that's been doing it for months, don't engage
>>151035122Cute
>>151034786>>151035385NTA, but I thought season 1 was pretty bad, most people only remember the Scooby-Doo crossover and even then, they don't remember that Scooby-Doo shows up a second time in season 1's Christmas special
>>151025945season 1 johnny bravo's sin is just how damn cynical his world is. he's not big of an asshole enough to justify how much the world shits on him
>>151033797he made an episode mocking studios adding characters too
>>151035409The creator probably knew how shit the Jungle Boy segments were since he removed that character entirely when he got back for season 4 and he is never mention or brought up again, also I found funny that one of the plots for season 4 was just one of the plots from season 2-3 but done way worse: Johnny thinks he traveled trough time despite still being in present day, this works better for a 7 minutes long short than stretched to 11 minutes
>>151028153Genndy always looks like he was born for murder for hire for the Russian Mafia but he became a pedophile instead so he makes cartoons.
>>151034637Also neat.I once bought a box of cereal specifically because John K did the artwork on it (and it was on clearance plus I had a coupon). It was awful. Way too sweet.Now here's the thing: I despised R&S when it was airing in the early 90s but I've watched an ep again first the first time since then a couple of months ago and… while I still didn't like the art style or humour at all, I found that I grew an appreciation for the quality of the animation itself. As a kid, you don't really notice things like that much except for when a cell in an old cartoon is a different shade so you know that object is going to move in that scene (looking at you, every bookcase secret passage in every cartoon from the 60s through the early 80s, ever). Ren and Stimpy just had extremely well done motion and fluidity. Superb. And nothing today even comes close the that quality. It's horrifying to me that something I so thoroughly dislike has such fantastic animation while things I enjoy aren't nearly as good.Sorry for the diatribe.
>>151028255I've liked Dil since I first saw his early shit in Cartoon Sushi. Dirty Bird? One of my favourite shorts.
>>151035221https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyuUfOQp50https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yesCKR128IMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFn8cywmb-s
>>151025922The 3 shows made it into the Brazilian's Burger King's kids' meal this year
>>151035955Johnny Bravo also had a toy in McDonald's Latam back in 2007, I actually owned this but I lost it, I still got the Courage one tho
>>151025922Fred Seibert, the last president of Hanna Barbera and the genius of What A Cartoon retired this year. God bless this man. https://youtu.be/sOMh4JMLRyI?t=740
>>151035985I 'member how this was the one toy that couldn't stay up
>>151028167Pizza Boy was close to becoming a middle segment for Cow and Chicken, would have been funny honestly. I wouldn't trade I Am Weasel for it, but they could have rotated segments like Dexter did with Dial M for Monkey and Justice Friends.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZePHlH2duk
>>151025922The red guy will always be funny, Johnny Bravo was 1 of the few shows both me and my dad loved, and Dexter's Lab's only real flaw (pre-savino at least) was nowhere near enough episodes ending badly for Deedee.That cunt should've been bitchslapped into the sun.
>>151035955That Dexter looks almost the same as the one in the show since he's already small
>>151025922Great characters, gags and even morals at times.Really is a case of "they don't make em like they used to."
>>151036555>"You know, there's a moral to this story...but it's a secret!"Red Guy at the end of Buffalo Gals
>>151035440I liked it better than way, desu
So was the new shorts program cancelled or what?
>>151031962Nepohires only want their slop on tv.
Cow and Chicken was the only "animal duo" of the bunch that wasn't just "two animals having a job and being terrible at it" or "animals trying to get to a place, but force of nature is againt them". Them also being children made it stand out more.
>>151035440The artstyle was way better during seasons 2-3, that was a big part of the appeal for me
>>151037267Not for Suzy.
>>151028740It tested poorly, but Mike lazzo (CN vice president at the time) said to keep the designs cause he felt the weirdness would make it stand out.
>>151036050He has his own themesong in Italy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR7h0Lvu_MY
>>151025922i would fuck dexter's mom
>>151025922>>151035955Cartoon Network Racing is the only crossover game that actually allowed you to unlock episodes of the shows, the DS version only had 3 episodes (a PPG episode, a Dexter's Lab episode and a Cow & Chicken episode), the PS2 version had a total of 12 episodes (2 for each series), I don't see any company doing something like that nowadays
>>151037592Both JB episodes were of the Tingblad seasons too.
>>151028167>gets his own show without even making a pilotMost of the WAC creators must’ve been seething.
>>151037663From the guy who created The Brothers Grunt no less.
>>151029070>the final episode has Weird Al, Don Knotts and ShaqThat episode was also clearly Partible taking the piss out of the Tingblad-era episodes.
>>151037781>Tingblad gave CN a hit show and Johnny Bravo was at his peak popularity>Mike Lazzo however, hated Tingblad and his crew and tried to sabotage his run of Johnny Bravo, purely because they were from Warner Bros.So retarded, what is the logic here?
>>151037781>That episode was also clearly Partible taking the piss out of the Tingblad-era episodes.In what way?By including the characters from that run?I do wonder what Partible had against Carl and Pops. I know he probably didn't like all the changes made to his show but it's not like having more characters is a bad thing.
>>151037894He prefered Donny Osmond.
>>151037908The Johnny Bravo version of Donny Osmond was funny though, don't tell me we're just gonna act like it wasn't good just because he was a celebrity. I didn't know who the fuck he was as a kid but his appearances in the first season and the Christmas special were great.
>>151037592Courage and IM Weasel had the best cars, the stats on the PPG characters sucked for some reason
>>151037894By having Weird Al tell Johnny that the secondary characters suck and he should get rid of them with the camera showing Carl and Pops on his only (and silent) appearance in season 4>>151037940NTA but while he was good in season 1, he sucked when they brought him back in season 4, season 4 in general was shit, that guy clearly needed Seth to help him out with the scripts
>>151037592>the DS version only had 3 episodes (a PPG episode, a Dexter's Lab episode and a Cow & Chicken episode)Still having 30 minutes of any cartoon is pretty impressive for the DS.
>>151034026>>151033797People bitch about whatever Jhonny was an unlikable douchebag retard or that Anime parody ''oh you sacrified good writing'' cheekness, but Season 1 felt directionless.why did they even picked up the series in the first place?
>>151025922Dexter help make Genndy a house hold name and lead to more Genndy kino like SJ and Primal
>>151029370>implying Genndy doesn't obsess over classic cartoons in his work I guess he meant only warner bros stuff
>>151029588I love these
>>151029070I like S2 and S3 more but I think Pops and Carl where good additions to the show, some episodes made Johnny too stupid to function though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxBmdmVcE8I
>>151038063>By having Weird Al tell Johnny that the secondary characters suck and he should get rid of them with the camera showing Carl and Pops on his only (and silent) appearance in season 4I just watched the episode, this literally does not happen. The entire premise of the episode is that Weird Al is making changes that make the show worse. Carl and Pops are there and silent but there's no dig at them.Van didn't even write the episode.
>>151025922 I liked Cow & Chicken
>>151038529Van didn’t like the changes done to the show during his absence. Carl basically became a background character during that season, barely getting any lines or scenes.
>>151038529Go to Van's page, he quite literally said he only kept Carl around for "continuity's sake" and nothing else, which doesn't make sense either way since he got about 4 speaking lines on that whole season
>>151039186Most likely they had a contract with Tom Kenny.
