What’s this trend called where cartoons have more expressive and cartoony animation their first season and stiff and on-model in the rest? Even as a kid I hated when shows did this.
>>151027757Budget reasons and the show taking his footing
In Penis and Ferb it's as anon >>151027784 said, old shows typically had less budget as the seasons went onThat, and straying from old design and trying to stick more to being "on model"But in some shows like Adventure Time that change hands a lot, it's often to do with the new animators settling on a collection of expressions they learned "work" and sticking hard to them, being a bit scared to do anything new
>>151027854>Penis and FerbShut up, Owltroon
>>151027907>Owltroon
>>151027784I mean in that case I can kinda understand AT being less expressive due to the first season not really taking itself seriously but Phineas and Ferb always remained an absurd comedy show, there was no reason they couldn’t still at least have a few pushed expressions in each episode.
>>151027954Yes, Owl House fags being cunts about Phineas and Ferb’s revival
>>151027975Ok first of all"Owltroon"? You retarded? I don't care about the gay witch cartoon but you still talk like an idiotSecondly, it's just a joke, calm down
>>151027998K, I just have preventive bias.
>>151028004I think it's called paranoia
>>151028022Yeah, that too
>>151027757Matt Groening syndrome, when cartoonists intially focused on the shows art as well as the writing realize that normalfags don't care about animation quality and order people to put even less care into the art direction as a result.You can see that the early seasons of the Simpsons are full of life, exaggerated expressions and poses, unique angle shots, stylized backgrounds, good usage of colors, that all gradually went away, and Groening never applied any of that stuff to his other shows.
>>151028029>realize that normalfags don't care about animation qualitynormalfags "care about quality" they just don't understand itlook at how they kvetch and moan when they see a cartoon they deem to look bad, likewise when a game, or movie, or painting, or comic, has art that is stylized and has great motion or character acting or anything that requires know-how to understand and appreciate... vs how they eek eek ook ook and celebrate when something is oooooh shiny and bright and clean and looks all fancythey think your above pic rel looks bad because when marge moves her head they can spot a frame or two where she's not perfectly cleanly illustrated, maggie's hair moves weird, the bag bounches, the whole thing is at a "weird" dutch angle and all together it looks great, the brain loves it, but the conscious mind sees imperfections when it digs for themnormalfags who have no subconscious love for art and an appreciation for how their brain perceives the world and creates beauty out of such work are only concerned with everything being perfect to the conscious eyein the bottom gif everything is "correct", the angle isn't distorted, it's "correct", maggie's hair never moves wrong, the bag doesn't bounce too much, marge doesn't flair and her face never shifts out of model, it's all "correct", they have a neurotic need to make everything "correct" and "correct" it isremember that when you lose the beauty in something that was once charming because someone ordered it to be changed to be flat, boring, minimalistic and sterile, it's because someone who lacks contact with their subconscious mind determined that that is "correct"
>>151027907Maybe it's a genuine typo lmao
>>151028103its probably not but its also a really obvious joke that someone could make in passing idk why anon got genuine heated over it
>>151027968Phineas and Ferb as it went on moreso relied on dialogue based humor rather than wacky shenanigans.
>>151027757That's been a thing for literal decades. Many cartoons in the 80s and 90s completety changed style after season 1.
>really liked phineas and ferb's shenanigans>absolutely loved the perry and doof sections>hated the candice subplots i never liked how the show effectively made fun of her for seeing something that is very much there and trying to prove it and have her go mad from not being listened toit started as her just being an annoying brat who was acting like a tattler because she was put in charge, sure, but it quickly evolved to her just trying to prove to her family that she's sane and going mental when nobody would believe her but i suppose it thought me that that's how the world works and noticing things you're not supposed to is punishable by scrutiny
Even South Park was expressive once…
>>151028113>>151027975
>>151028148That’s funny
>>151028175No, anon, I'm not an "Owl House fag" and I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive or whatever, calm down>>151028163South Park was a completely different show back when these faces were used, it was meant to a parody of kitschy comfy childrens family cartoons like PeanutsIdk what the hell the show is going for nowadays I haven't watched it in years but last I heard they were making episodes about internet drama
>>151028204Of course
I can think of one show that got more expressive after the first season. Sadly, due to the laws of this land, I'm not allowed to talk about it...
>>151028004It's called autism and you should kill yourself
>>151028239Sneed on my feed and seed
>>151028175>>151028211this guy might genuinely be pulling a "oh fuck guys here comes POOPDICKSCHIZO it's him" thing lol
>>151028249>>151027998>using the term "troon">snee'd seed and feed jokeoh god it's a tourist
>>151028261Nop
>>151028070I used to work with a small CGI animation company ran by my sort-of friends. The company received contracts from multiple big studios and received many accolades, and is ran by a multi-talented guy in top 1% earners in my country who would still remain rich even if it went under. Despite that, he and the various people there embody that exact normie attitude about animation, all about technical prowess but no soul, which is what caused my friction between them. They would also probably say that the modern bottom clip looks superior. Now consider that there's a lot more key figures in animation who also think this way.
>>151028272Normalfags took over animation, they are a group of people who should never be permitted control over creative fields and yet they wrestled them out of the hands of creative types and took over and that's why everything sucks nowWe never should have let them find out who makes the media they like, they should have just kept believing it's all normie glamor, as soon as they found out most creatives are weirdos, perverts, autists, or otherwise eccentric in one way or another that isn't "cute" but rather disturbing to the normie mind, they threw a fit, the usual "EEEEEK I CAN'T BELIEVE I CONSUME MEDIA MADE BY A- A- AN UNDERSIREABLE! IIIIICK!" melty and decided to take over
>>151028029The Simpsons heavily damaged western animation, here’s a great video going over the shows "no no sheets" which encourage exaggerated movements to be at an absolute minimum and to make the characters as strictly on-model as possible, the latter would especially be exemplified in the later seasons as even the brief wacky faces fizzled out.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iqdp77y_3cIt’s visible how many modern shows followed in their ruleset.
>>151028270Nah, I just think it’s funny
>>151028320You are still an Itoddler, use a computer faggot.
>>151028298>less "angry" more "stern"they understand the issue yet they still do it, anger and sternness (or in this case what looks like a "i'm so fucking done" face) are different and evoke different feelings, but they don't care about the feeling, they focus on the expression like it exists in a vaccum from intentreminds me of pic rel
>>151028331Nope
>>151028295Executives with normalfag mindsets are what give us shit like this
i really don't understand how western animators are so obsessed with making their shows look as sterile and bland as possible, how could anyone in their right mind want to go into the industry when they'll get every last bit of creativity stamped out of them drawing shit like >>151028298 and >>151028827will they ever make a single good piece of 2d animation ever again?
I've always interpreted it as shows not yet finding their footing for art direction in the first season, and then once a pipeline is established, they lean more into being on-model to make it easier for outsourcing and for new hires on later seasons. Not so much a budget reason, but a speedy pipeline reason.
>>151028896It’s not the animators fault, it’s the executives, nowadays they force shows to look as formulaic as possible and be written as formulaic as possible to cash in on the success of prior shows and be cheap to make. Though that isn’t to say there aren’t animators who genuinely want their shows to look like stiff slop.
>>151029295don't american animators have unions?anyway it seems pretty bleak because costs are only getting cut more and more, soon we'll probably have aislop "assisted" cartoons and the economy is going to be in the gutter for the foreseeable future so normal people can't really afford to fund anything goodsorry anon, i know execs are basically the devil, i just dont understand how anyone who worked on this slop can be proud of their work
>>151029410Oh I doubt they are, they just don’t wanna get blacklisted cause of how much nepotism is clear in our industry
>>151030078is that really how it is in these normalfag workspaces? you have to make some big show about loving something just to feed some random jew's ego?maybe the industry just needs to die then
>>151028148"character tries desperately to prove they've seen something unbelievable but can't" is one of the oldest, most reliable gags in comedy. Pic related.
>>151030799i really don't see how that changes what i said
>>151030824It doesn't. Just trying to give some insight into how bad your taste is.
>>151031013Something being an old gag doesn't make my disinterest in it bad, but especially moreso when I made it very clear that it's the delivery that I hate and not just the gag itself
>>151028827Going to college, getting an MBA, and getting a job as a "rich person" is the most normalist faggy thing anyone can do.
>>151027757It's called shifting animation studios to a cheaper one in season 2. Typically because the studio wanted to use the better studio on a more important IP.Like the time Disney had the first 6 episodes of Star Vs made by Mercury Filmworks, then moved it to a muuuuuch cheaper Philippino studio so they could then have Mercury make Lion Guard.
>>151031392Phineas and Ferb season one was also animated by Wang Film rather than Rough Draft
>>151029295>It’s not the animators fault, it’s the executives,If the execs came out and said they were done with leftism and legbutt shit the animatirs would all walk out.There was a tranny revolt at netflix over dave Chappelle The artists at disney threatened to walk out over a rumor abkut it too. So this isnt speculation.They really do need to fire every queer from their ranks and teplace them with straight white males. Because only straight white males will tolerate projects that dont align with their values perfectly.
>>151028827How did we let it come to this?!
>>151032197These kinds of adult cartoons all stemmed from The Simpsons unfortunately. The Simpsons style was seen as more adult and other adult shows like Beavis and Butthead also made their styles look more realistic to separate their styles from kids shows. The Simpsons paved the way for shows like South Park, which caused many to realize adult cartoons don’t have to look good to be successful, and Family Guy, which gave all adult cartoons that shitty trademark stiff circle eyed small pupiled artstyle.
>>151028964This is the actual reason. It naturally takes time for teams to get up to speed drawing the characters and checking style anyway. By S2 you went through your pipeline setup and growing pains now you have to make it work again on less time and money.
>>151028029I often see Dan Povenmire being referred to as Seth MacFarlane for kids, and his comparisons to Seth and Groening really make sense. He gives all his shows the same on-model ass artstyle even though his first and most well-known show had more life-filled animation in the first season.
>>151028896I remember being on this board while these looser and less strict character designs were the norm, and people here bitched endlessly about the inconsistency and things not being "on-model"
>>151027854In the case of Adventure Time, the choice to do less zany expressions was a conscious choice from Pen.
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SpongeBob SquarePants is the only example of this happening in reverse.
>>151032721So /co/ users always failed to understand animation? Guess some things never change.
>>151027757I had a shirt with a bunch of weird Finn faces when I was 12. It was cool. I wish I still had a shirt like that.
I've always personally liked animation that looks like Ralph Bakshi's works: Weird, stylized and not afraid to push expressions, but also keeping a consistent tone across whatever work it is.
>>151033000/co/ is a writers board
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