Does it warrant a reboot?
>>151031700No. I'd watch it if it got one, though. Especially if they retcon Clerks 3.
>>151031727meant to say revival but couldn't find the word
>>151031700>Jason Mewes takes drugs>Fucks up his life beyond repair>Gets clean>Gets married and has two daughters that help him not relapse>Kevin Smith does drugs>String of shit movies that try way too hard to either ape Seth Rogen's schtick or are just awful inside jokes from his podcast>Quits drugs after Clerks 3>His first movie since being clean gets a 73% on Rotten TomatoesKind of funny how Jay and Silent Bob accidentally became drug PSAs on how being clean is better.
20 years ago? AbsolutelyNow? No
Smith is too much of a fag to do it right these days.
>>151032554>Fucks up his life beyond repair>Repairs it
>>151031700I can't wait how the first episode upon returning is a "cancel culture" episode.
>>151031700Kevin Smith was carried hard by Disney and the writers for the cartoon. Without them, you'd just get this piece of shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la017NRDjyM
>>151031700HELLZ No
>>151032554Clerks 3 is much worse than critical reviews would have you believe
>>151031700No. It didn't warrant a third movie either.
>>151031700No, the perfect time to do it was before Clerks 2, which was also as bad as 3.
>>151032642Smith looks like Chris Chan in that vid
>>151033694a little bit yeah
>>151031700Yeah, Silent Bob didn't cry enough, I suppose.>>151032554>being clean is betterLook at Smith's recent carreer and say that again.
>>151031700this was the first series I stopped watching before 3 episodes
>>151031700It’s a really funny cartoon but it’s not like I was emotionally invested the (less funny) live action sequels and spin offs already give closure on the future of the character anyway
>>151031700It's way too late. I would've loved for more episodes from the original team. It's a goddamn crime it only got six episodes but the blame is on the people who made the deal to allow that to happen. They could've gotten at least one season with the other one they were offered.
>>151031700It's called Matt Wilson's High Score and Bonus Stage
this show sucks and im tired of pretending it doesn't
>>151033611You could argue that it didn't warrant a second movie.
>>151031700Kevin Smith hasn't made a good movie since Chasing Amy.
>>151032642>they used some random idiot online, who "Knew" how to "animate">looks like shit why didn't you apply co?Are you not able to make cartoons, that aren't shit?
>>151031700It will be like the Clone High revival
>>151036952How was that anyway?
Nah, zoomers wouldn't get it, Millennials think Kevin Smith sucks since we saw his entire career decline in real time, and gen is old and out of touch with everything and wouldn't know how to find it on whatever streaming service it ended up on
>>151036205>Matt WilsonThe former ToonZone mod who hated every cartoon and then trooned out or something?
>>151031700The entire culture in which this series was produced died out by 2007 anon, and that's being VERY generous. Did it deserve a reboot? Absolutely. DOES it deserve a reboot, today, completely and utterly divorced from the world that made it? Fuck no.
>>151031700No but there’s that kid in the helmet. Look at him. Heheh
>>151037787>No Gandhi and gets replaced by new ocs that aren't fun except for the one which the writters made to be despised>Joan becomes the new mc>Toots gets killed off screen>Abe gets sidelined beacuse new writters don't like him>metahumor in how the original was very misogynist
>>151031700Clerks as a franchise would've only worked in the 2000s, mayyyybe the early 2010s at the latest. We're better off leaving it be and appreciating the 6 or so solid episodes we're fortunate to have at all.
>>151031700It'd be animated using rigs like practically every western adult cartoon nowadays, so no thank you.
highschool me thought this was the funniest shit ever
Some guys are just better when they’re fat.
>>151031700Not after 2006 or so no. Kevin Smith is fucking awful now and cannot make anything but shit.
>>151032554>>151034530Smith admits to be a terminally online Twitter freak, and it shows. His last few movies are some pathetic apology for being crude and making gay jokes 30 years ago. While probably cripplingly terrified someone is going to cancel him over Chasing Amy or Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
>>151038607Do guys like this even exist still?
>>151031700When I was a young teenager I saw this thing at a store and thought:>"‘Uncensored’? Holy shit, that guy on the cover has his dick out, I bet some bitches are gonna come over and suck it! Oh yeah…"Needless to say I was disappointed when I finally got to watch it.
>>151031700nah
>>151038607He's a gigantic pussy who's always crying about something.
>>151039386Always?
>>151033652Clerks 2 is not as bad as Clerks 3. Clerks 2 at least commits to being Clerks 2. Clerks 3 is the sitcom season of Seinfeld but about Clerks. Making your third movie about making the first two movies? That's lazy and gay. I can just watch those movies, they're already made. Make Clerks 3 into Clerks 3. Or better yet, don't make Clerks 3 if you literally have nothing to say.
>>151038321Because it is. They ran episode 4 first for a reason.
>>151039339The fucked up thing is they had the MPAA rate their commentary track so they could have an R rating on the back.
>>151034816Filtered
>>151031700The entire Askewniverse aged like milk. There's some genuinely memorably funny bits in each movie, but it's all proto-woke liberal shit anyway. So no. I don't think it should be rebooted, revived, or revisited in any capacity.
>>151032609That anon's a retard don't mind him.
>>151041146>waaaaah the 90 punk shit I like turns out to be woke Oh Anon you about to be shocked when I tell you this...
>>151040234>*MPA Don't deadname them
>>151040216Hey screw you man, Kevin Smith did meta before it was cringe
>>151039339You must've been one VERY horny teen then...
>>151038607>Kevin Smith is fucking awful now and cannot make anything but shit.He never could make anything but shit. He found success with Clerks for being "avante garde", but a lot of that just came from the limitations he was forced to work with. He got more ambitious with his writing, but that only exposed his flaws as a director. Take Dogma, for example—it's ultimately a movie that thrived on its edginess, pseudo-intellectualism, and a handful of big-name stars, but once that shine wears off, you realize how fucking unwatchable it is. Every scene is just two people talking with basic-ass shot/reverese-shot editing, until eventually some third party joins the conversation to keep people on their toes.That's basically Smith's formula for writing a "scene"—have two people disagreeing, then a third person pops up as a "plot twist" to say something slighly perpendicular to what was already being said. In general, Smith tries to disguise this flimsy writing style with his edgy humor, but once you're innoculated against that, you realize how fucking garbage every single scene in every single movie he's ever written is.The only reason Clerks Animated was good was because other people worked on it besides Smith.
>>151039339>Holy shit, that guy on the cover has his dick out,His boxers are still on and where his dick would be is censored. There was nothing to suggest the fat, bearded man's dick was out other than your pervert-faggot (probably liberal) teenage brain.
>>151044359It's another situation of people imitated it to the point of not being special or unique any longer. What made Kevin Smith stuff fun was the ordinary conversational aspect to it. How he would dedicate 8 minutes of a movie to two guys having a typical conversation about something dorky that was in no way adding to the movie plot. No one else before him would have wasted so much run time on meaningless nothing conversation. Or the very normal life nothing event happening in the movie that makes it incredibly relatable to common viewers.Thing is, everyone has been doing it since 5 minutes after Clerks came out that it's not really that interesting of a thing any more. It's in every episode of Venture Brothers and Harley Quinn. Half of Joss Whedon's work was adding in typical nobody conversation into scifi/fantasy scenes. Everyone else imitated it until it was a normal aspect of entertainment. I thought Smith really showed his weakness when he tried adding in random wacky humor like in half of Mallrats. It was awful and each time he tried doing high concept comedy it was fucking terrible.
>>151040216It's the massive tonal shift. Clerks 2 goes all in being a wacky buddy comedy with hijinks and donkey shows. Clerks 3 is some pathetic mopey cry for help on part of Smith who wanted to make some overly dramatic piece of shit about a suicidally depressed guy and his equally depressed middle aged friends who hate themselves.
>>151044949>Thing is, everyone has been doing it since 5 minutes after Clerks came out that it's not really that interesting of a thing any more.That's pretty true. It's basically the hallmark of a writer that "has things to say" but doesn't know how to structure a plot or even just a single scene around communicating those ideas, so instead you just get characters acting as mouthpieces.In retrospect, I think the thing that really finished killing any appeal Kevin Smith-style blathering had is the fact that we have social media now. Nobody wants to fucking sit through a movie full of "hot takes", when that kind of stuff is just the whitenoise of the internet.
>>151045011>Clerks 2 goes all in being a wacky buddy comedyNo, it did not.
>>151045011Yeah it all just comes off as up it's ass. Like he really thought this was going to be deeply moving when he killed off Dante.
>>151044386You know you can take your dick out from the boxer’s fly, right?
>>151045479Yes, but it's covered on the box—you can't tell whether he has it out or not. The only reason you would assume it was out through the power of suggestion is if you were a faggot who wanted to see a fat guy's dick. You aren't a faggot, are you, anon?
>>151045997You are
>>151046035That may be true. But at least I didn't fantasize about a fat man's penis on a cartoon DVD cover. How embarrassing for you.
I think Smith lucked out in that he made films for people who were so desperate for any kind of acknowledgement that they'd be willing to accept just about anything if it even vaguely referenced the kind of things they liked. You saw the same shit with crap like Ready Player One or Scott Pilgrim.
>>151046374But I like Scott Pilgrim... :(
>>151046374Smith's whole thing worked when his movies were about fairly typical normal early 20 somethings getting into everyday type adventures and being normal guys. Not big time heroes or inspirational types. He had a kind of Regular Joe sort of storytelling that really resonated with mid 90s generation X.The problems come from the fact that, this is all he can do. He has no other range than writing about himself and his friends doing things that are only cool and interesting to someone who is 20 in 1995. The further into the future and the older the characters get, the less interesting the movies become. You can see it in his work.>1994, makes a fun movies about two 22 year olds thinking about what to do with their lives>2006, makes a movie about aging guys realizing they never did anything with their lives and they need to make a change now>2023, makes a movie about two sad, depressed old guys that never did shit with their lives. One desperately wants to leave his mark in the world before he dies, the other dies of old. Smith never really evolved or learned any new skills or any new stories to tell. Jay and Silent Bob reboot is more of the same shit.
>>151045997Why would they place that box over the guy’s crotch? They clearly wanted people to think it was covering his schlong, on top of the title saying "Uncensored" implying it’s something sleazy.
>>151046339NTA in both cases, but you are a fag
>>151040216>>151045011>>151047511I don't even know what in the fuck was going on with Smith when he made Clerks 3. It is a massively different movie in tone from the others to the point that it looks like someone else made it. I always felt like clerks should have focused on that new generation thing since Dante and Randal's story is fully told. Dante should have evolved into the shitty boss that takes vacations while lying to his employees, then not having any realization that he became the shit boss. The new 22 year old working on the Quick Stop should be having a really shit day and then Dante has that moment of realization near the end. Randal disappeared a decade ago. No early 50s Jay or Silent Bob either. Actually make up some new losers that hang out and never buy anything.
>>151045011>Clerks 2 and JaSB Strike back feel like he's aping dumb and wacky 2000s comedies >Zach and Miri was trying to be discount ApatowHe really lost his original identity as a filmmaker and failed to find a new one throughout the 2000s
>>151031700No, but maybe a special at least. And only if its flashbacks to the original series.
It's amazing Kevin Smith hasn't evolved past weed man after three decades.
>>151047762For some reason he never really could graduate up to the level of a normal film maker. The best he could do was View Askew stuff which is really just hiring all his close friends and playing movie set with his friends. Every time he was hired to use actors he was not already closely affiliated with on a script he did not write, it's a disaster.
>>151047854So kind of like Doug Walker?
>>151047882Yeah, like a Channel Awesome if Doug actually did go to film school and did know some basics on how to direct.
>>151038321and jaded middle age loser me STILL thinks it's funnyit's memes live on to this day
>>151041258>the 90 punk shit I likeI never liked any of it. I actually go to church.
>Clerks 1 was supposed to end with Dante dyingNobody cares>Clerks 3 actually ends with Dante dyingEveryone loses their mindsThe fact that this thread exists and people are talking about Clerks 3 like it was bad shows that modern 4chan is full of retarded youtube babies who need video essays to explain things to them.
>>151047854What's disappointing is that I'd be okay with him sticking to close friends and lower budgets if he actually got out of his comfort zone, but he never really tried. He did different genres sure but it all had the same tone as his askew stuff. Would've loved to see him try some cape shit that wasn't on the CW
>>151048059If you've watched any of Smith's stand up Q&A's, he's admitted as much that his capeshit would be the same as his normal movies. Just 90 minutes of Green Hornet and Kato talking about random shit and then it ends with them busting a robbery. What nobody comprehended back when he stated this was that he was being serious.
>>151047854He is a bad director. The only movie he even tried to direct is Chasing Amy, which is far and away his best one. Everything else, even the movies I like, are incredibly amateurish.Like, I don't understand how people like Red State. I had to turn it off ten minutes in, the editing was atrocious.
>>151031700No. Let it stay dead its 6 perfect episodes.
>>151047923>>151047882Doug unironically has more dignity than Smith though. He's actually willing to admit he fucked up and made shit and never pretended what he made was high art the way Smith does
>>151048055Clerks 3 should have had that original ending where Dante is shot by some guy robbing the place in the last minute. Dante finally turns his life around, realizes he doesn't have it so bad, this is going to be the first day of the rest of his life, guy with a gun walks in...
>>151047985>I actually go to church.You're a loser anon... Church was never cool, nor doing so to be contrarian never was either.
That reminds me you guys remember that Clerks animated series reboot thread.
>>151048145No one has ever really seen a filmmaker just not get any better like that. Even low grade B-Movie horror directors eventually learned the trade and got better and eventually started making some watchable shit. Smith just never improved at all, and most of his better movies are based around hiring actors that have a better grasp of what they are doing.
>Rude Clerks with names like Dante and Handall...>That's RANDALL!
>>151048235It's funny, when you're younger and dumber and you watch those Kevin Smith specials you really feel for him when he talks about what a nightmare Bruce Willis was to work with, but with a little bit of age and distance you realize that Kevin Smith was a nightmare for Willis to work with.
>>151048276To most people that are in some level of the film industry, they always recognized that it was Smith who was the annoying asshole to be on set with the whole time and Willis was always pretty agreeable to most things in most productions. The issue was that back in 2005 Smith had the large cult of fans and did all the talks at universities, so his part of the story is what spread. But Smith had the most correct take on Chevy Chase. Chevy was too damn obnoxious for even 02 era Smith to put up with for more than 5 minutes.
>>151048232That was such a great thread here was my favorite part of the thread
>>151048276Nah bruce shoulders the blame on that one.
Thank god Harls didint go too far in the schwalbach genes and didint turn fat like kev.Would still cum
>>151049948YOWZA!!
>>151031700It bums me out that the character designer Stephen Silver has grown so disillusioned by the present state of the animation industry...
>>151052542>stephen silverthat the guy behind danny phantom?
>>151052605No, Kim Possible, American Dragon and a lot more Disney stuff.
>>151047380That's adorable.
>>151039247>early-mid 20's skater burnout who smokes too much weedYes, but you don't see them because they're always playing vidya and smoking weed. Depending on the city, you may occasionally find one hissing at the sunlight at a skate park.
>>151047730Jay and Silent Bob were amusing when they were 20 somethings but as 50somethings it's just... sad.
I kinda liked clerks 3perfect? no, but I thought it was a fun enough ride. I liked that is was more randals movie, and though it was a bit hamfisted, I liked the ending with Dantes death. Its not 2002 anymore and any kevin smith film isn't going to feel like it did when I was in highschool, but its stilll nice seeing my favorite characters now and then.
>>151037846No the guy who made funny webtoons in the early 2000s. Who cares about how he is now.
>>151053415>I liked that is was more randals movie
>>151046374Scott Pilgrim is a good movie regardless of if you get the referenced material.
>>151047730This sounds like Dante is sitting on the sidelines while the "real" new Clerks movie plays out without him, and the audience is stuck with him. That's an amusing idea, but sounds like it might be tedious and frustrating in practice.
Kevin Smith's comedy is far too dated by this point. Maybe funny back then, not really funny now.
>>151052542Well what else he is supposed to say, that things are great?
>>151054584
>>151054649Where's the lie. Go watch Mallrats and try to call it a classic comedy.
>>151054718I don't have to defend Mallrats I thought it was lame.But why is it "dated"?
>>151053240It's how that kind of thing goes. It's fun to see teens and 20 somethings get into wacky shenanigans. It's sad to see 40+ middle age people get into wacky shenanigans...while still pretending they are 20 somethings wearing clothes that are decades out of date. It's also why the It's Always Sunny gang is fucking sad and depressing to look at. You normally expect people to grow out of that sort of life, and when you se they haven't then it looks really bad that they never grew up or made a life for themselves.
>>151054766>You normally expect people to grow out of that sort of life, and when you see they haven't then it looks really bad that they never grew up or made a life for themselves>Said Anon, on 4chan's board for adult fans of comics and cartoons
>>151054820I really don't think posting on a forum is the same thing as dressing like it's 2006 and getting into teen antics around town and running from cops while post 40 anon. You might be autistic.
>>151054851Ehh, 4chan is kind of designed for oldfags to talk about old shit. It's not a >Whoa old fella, why the fuck are YOU here?kind of place you are supposed to grow out of. Now if I see someone older than 26 on discord or tiktok, then that's a fucking pedo.
>>151054851>You might be autisticThat's funny, because I just found the irony of your statement amusing whereas you chose to take my humorously intentioned shitpost literally.
>erm does it need a rebootNope. It will be toned down and half as funny as the original.
>>151047940Anytime I finish a cheap furniture kit, I say "And I have all these pieces left" just to piss off my wife.
>>151054766Yeah, plot shenanigans are gonna plot shenanigans but they're really kind of ignoring potential plot ideas just so they can act like it's still the 90s. I don't think anyone really has to outgrow their hobbies if they're reasonable about it but there's a real lack of, for want of better term, adultness to it all. Like why are we not seeing them trying to take care of their chil... oh right. Which is another point. They force a massive tragedy on Dante, undoing the ending of the second movie just so they can regress everything
>>151054766Weird thing about that is Clerks 2 had the whole theme of Dante and Randal were getting older now and they needed to grow the fuck up and start doing adult things. It was that whole realization Dante had in holding near the end, that he was too old for this kind of shit and he needed to settle down and go live a normal adult life. And the movie basically ended with him finally moving on from childish crap and becoming an adult with a wife and kid. Clerks 3 seems to want to ignore all the Clerks 2 stuff entirely and take them back to wacky buddies at the Quick Stop with Jay and Silent Bob selling weed outside like it's 1995 all over again.
>>151048232>>151048353Why are we posting like this?
>>151055055lol
>>151048353This was a certified classic moment.
>>151056638Is it safe?
>>151056638Why not?
>>151031700How would they reboot it?
>>151048235Don't act like Russ Meyers movies got any better as they progressed.
>>151048055Yes, suits shot down the idea and Clerks actually became a well liked cult movie.Then no one put reins on 3 and people hate it. Not rocket science.
>>151048055>"You're not allowed to hate or criticize this concept because it almost happened in the original movie!!!"How fucking low does your IQ have to be to think this statement makes any fucking sense?
>>151061120First you have to ignore the Dante Dying part of the first movie was dropped for really terrible reviews and audiences hated it. So it kind of seems like a bad idea to bring back the thing that people already hated to the point of removing once before.
>>151061156It was a stupid idea and it was the right decision to cut it. The film is about Dante being bitchy about how other people treat him, only for a simple twist where Randal loses paitence and points out that Dante also treats others badly. The only throughline through the movie is Dante learning to be more humble and it's made meaningless if he's murdered for pocket change.
>>151048055>was supposed toBUT DIDN'T. Do you have any idea how much movies change during production. Your original intentions don't mean shit. What matters is the movie that was made. You're an idiot.
>>151061120>You're not allowed to hate or criticize this conceptSaying "IT'S SHIT! IT'S SHIT! IT'S SHIT!" isn't criticism. It's just being a loudmouth faggot. Which 90% of you retards are. You don't actually watch or want to understand context or subtext. You just want to parrot youtube retards with the most memeworthy catchphrases.>>151061392>What matters is the movie that was madeThe movie you never bothered to watch because it's older than you are and longer than a tiktok video. Now who's the idiot?
>>151061626Enlighten us; why is Dante dying good in either film?
>>151041146>>151044359I rewatched Dogma a while ago, and I was shocked how bad it was.
>>151061653Because it ties back to his explanation of why Empire is the best star wars movie: Because life is a series of downer endings. It also ties back to his griping about how he wasn't supposed to be there today. It's comedy and tragedy at it's purest height and nobody understands this because they want their happy wacky comfy feels uwu. Or you're just here to shitpost and not contribute to any kind of discussion. It doesn't matter.
>>151062067>Because life is a series of downer endings.
>>151062067That sounds more like charecterizing him as a grumpy whiner since the second part of a series leads to the third which has a bittersweet (with plenty of sweet) ending, not a downer one.
>>151061292You never watched the movie retarded zoomzoom, fuck off while adults are talking.
>>151062363>no arguments
>>151056599>And the movie basically ended with him finally moving on from childish crap and becoming an adult with a wife and kid.It's not *just* that, it's the realization that he doesn't need to stop having fun and leave all of his friends in order to become an adult. It's a lot less "you need to stop doing childish things and grow up," and more "growing up doesn't mean buying into a weird, preconceived notion of what being a grown up looks like." It's the C.S Lewis quote:>When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.The third movie shits on all of that by literally murdering his character development, so he can be Punished Dante, which is exactly like Clerks 1 and 2 Dante but cries more.
>>151031700What was it about The Clerks?
>>151065002another one of those shows in the 'cancelled too soon" category like clone high that both forums and jewtubers shilled for years to get revived only to regret when they did
>>151048212How's atheism+ these days?>>151057149Who said that?
I'm so mad at the anon who correctly said Clerks 3 should've been about him realizing he was an asshole boss and coming around on it. With a superior ending of instead of calling in the 20 something on his day off to cover for someone Dante does it instead bc he's the boss.
>>151057149Yes, it's safe. It's very safe >>151058003We already made that Star Wars reference
