Are X-Men/Mutants too big to "fit" in the Marvel universe, or do you firmly believe they naturally work well with guys like Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc? Also could you theoretically still write all of these characters with conventional superhero origins as opposed to the mutant x-gene? If so, would you prefer that?
>>151033420>Are X-Men/Mutants too big to "fit" in the Marvel universeNo.>could you theoretically still write all of these characters with conventional superhero origins as opposed to the mutant x-gene? It depends. Characters like Cyclops, Xavier, and Magneto are too closely tied to the mutant struggle to be separated from it. Their mutant identity is a foundational part of their characterization and removing it removes what makes the characters interesting.But then you have characters like Wolverine, Rogue, or Gambit who are less tied to their mutant identities, who could be written more or less the same with a different reason for getting their powers.Then there are those like Storm, Nightcrawler, and Jean who sort of straddle the line, and could go either way.
4u>>151033420>Are X-Men/Mutants too bigThere are too many mutants for any amount of books
>>151033420>all that textDo you even marvel comics? have you ever read a Marvel comicbook?And by a Marvel comicbook I mean a comicbook made before the dissney buyout.
>>151034004>All that textIt's not that much, or are you that ADHD ridden beyond all help?
>>151033420Too small.
Terrible franchise.
>>151033420The Marvel universe is too big for itself. Mutants are just a symptom of that inherent problem.
The sentinel program was justified
>>151033420The X-Men catalogue of characters is very good, and very comprehensive and rather robust. It doesnt need the rest of Marvel at all. I would go as far to say the X-Men has so many interesting characters that you cant even really do them all justice and adding any additional characters will just take away the spot light from many of the lesser X characters.
I actually think the X-men need the rest of the Marvel universe to exist, even if indirectly, more than books/heroes like Fantastic Four or Captain America need the X-men. The pillars of X-men storytelling are the bigotry allegory (and the associated seething it brings, some of it justified some of it self-inflicted) and power level wanking. The X-men need antagonists to fight otherwise they're not an oppressed minority but Sentinels and Purifiers aren't enough, they need peers to seethe at for personal drama. On the other hand the X-men are notorious for power creep whether that's Omega mutants (Magneto can move moon sized chunks of iron ore to give Mars a magnetic core, Storm is the avatar of Eternity and can steamroll anyone who doesn't kiss her ass), training every goofy mutant kid into a member of their militia, or creating island ethnostates of even alternate futures where they outperform the rest of humanity (Take that, normies! See what we could do if you weren't holding us back?).The thing is, without the status quo of the rest of the Marvel universe to keep them in check, the X-men stories would just draw to a close in my mind. The X-men would solve every problem with their power level wanking and solve the bigotry allegory and thus have no more stories to tell. With characters like Captain America or the F4 they have peers with similar amounts of plot armor that they can't get rid of with power level wanking, but they can also complain that they aren't doing enough to help mutants for cheap drama.
>>151033420I think the mutants are too far up their own ass to fit in the Marvel universe.
>>151033420No, they just need to write them better.
>>151038341Their power levels and power creep is a writing issue.There shouldnt be power creep issues in a team setting as teamwork should be how x-men overcome obstacles, or else why even have a team. This is self defeating writing if they just power stack a single member (without meaningful weaknesses and draw backs).X-men dont need conflict, rivals, or villains from any where else in the marvel universe.>Brotherhood & Magneto>Hellfire>Sentinel Program>Apocalypse & 4 horsemen>The Brood>Imperial GuardTheres so much, thats a small sample.
>>151038569More than half of those villains are now or have been members/allies of the X-men in some capacity.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't retconned the retcon that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants. Just pass it off as High Evolutionary (or some other power player who could actually get the High Evolutionary to play along) trying to keep them out of mutant shenanigans. Keep that precious DNA for himself. Otherwise in a setting with all kinds of different powered individuals why try to pass them off as mutants in the first place? What did he even gain by that ruse cruise?
>>151033420>too big to fit in marvel?no.next question.
>>151033420Yes. Marvel is a clusterfuck.
>>151033420No more mutants - Wanda
>>151033420No
>>151038341Once upon a time, the X-Men could tell stories without needing to shoehorn in a hackneyed bigotry allegory…
