A lot of people say it influenced the Raimi movies a good deal. What if it was more like the other way around? The script for the first movie was being written at the same time this was being made.
>>151038872I remember one of the forewords or afterwords or something had Bendis talking about a screening of the first movie they had with him and Stan Lee. Bendis mentioned that Spidey would be making fun of Goblin's goofy suit, and the lady taking their opinions said something like "we spent a lot of money on that costume". Stan didn't say anything like that, and Bendis said he didn't understand why until that moment.
>>151038872Raimi movies were mostly influenced by the Lee/Ditko run and the 90s cartoon
Literally no one on the planet thinks a comic book from 2000 influenced a movie from 2002. That's the dumbest shit I've ever read
>>151039331A lot of people say it online when you say TASM and MCU are too Ultimate-inspired.
>>151040140>A lot of people say it online... in your head
>>151039306>Raimi movies were mostly influenced by the Lee/Ditko runIt was the Lee/Romita Sr run actually
>>151039306Also took some cues from the James Cameron treatment
>>151040188Actually it wasn't in my head it was a friend of mine's head
>>151038872I doubt if it was the other way around considering Bendis wasnt really fond of the Raimi movies and made that clear in the book itself
>>151039306Not true
>>151040804What was his reason?
>>151040804I knew bendis was a faggotAlso army of darkness>evil dead 2
>>151038872No, Marvel wasn’t involved with the making of the movie, they were doing their best to match what was going to happen in the movie based on rumors. Case in point Osborn transforming into the Green Goblin rather than it just being a suit he wears, that was a rumor that was flying around in mid-late 2000 about the movie. Another fun fact, Ultimate X-Men was hella different right up till the last minute, originally it was going to be that Xavier worked for the president’s cabinet and the X-Men were government agents. But then Marvel editorial saw the X-Men movie and overhauled Ultimate X-Men so it was essentially just the movie
>>151042289Bendis is salty about anything Hollywood in general since they keep rejecting his screenplays. Rumor is one of the big reasons the MCU creative committee was broken up was because one of them broke into Feige’s Rolodex to get the numbers of Hollywood producers to pitch his screenplays, the one of the committee everyone seems to agree did it was Bendis
>>151043048Ultimate X-Men always felt to me like X-Men Evolution (but edgier), I wonder if it was also influenced by that show.
>>151038872It influenced the Webb movies. The argument Peter has with Uncle Ben in one of the first issues is almost directly adapted in TASM.
It influenced things to some degree, but I can't say how much. The 60s material was definitely a larger influence.
>>151043072Bendis seems to really just be a failed hollywood writer who hates comics and only writes for them because thats the only gig he somehow manages to get
>>151043195There it is
>>151043121I doubt it. The show premiered around November 2000 and Ultimate X-Men launched in December 2000. At the earliest it probably would've been around the second arc and later if they were getting influenced by the show in any way.
>>151043048>Another fun fact, Ultimate X-Men was hella different right up till the last minute, originally it was going to be that Xavier worked for the president’s cabinet and the X-Men were government agents. But then Marvel editorial saw the X-Men movie and overhauled Ultimate X-Men so it was essentially just the movieThis is true, it's kind of forgotten but Millar mentioned his original plan in Wizard. It was basically them trying to be sort-of like the movie without being like the movie and Millar putting his trademark edge on it.
>>151040804I know people aren't gonna give Bendis the benefit of the doubt but this looks like Spidey being made at people making a movie out of his life in-universe, not a jab at Raimi since he even stops to compliment his other movie
>>151045675>This is true, it's kind of forgotten but Millar mentioned his original plan in Wizard. It was basically them trying to be sort-of like the movie without being like the movie and Millar putting his trademark edge on it.I forgot to be more specific, his original plan was doing it like West Wing, with Xavier working for Clinton and X-Men being a government-backed team (he was sort-of doing this with Codename: X-Men). The revision post-X-Men movie was them trying to be sort-of like the movie without being like the movie with Millar edge.
>>151045675The whole original pitch is in the extras in the Ultimate X-Men Ultimate Collection vol 1 I bought. It's...weird.
>>151045864I wonder what would've happened if the movie had flopped and they went with Millar's first pitch
>>151046114It's hard to say...alt universes that stray that far from the mothership tend to not be very successful but Mark Millar was super hot at the time, the X-Men heat was still going, and Ultimate Spider-Man was a huge success so I think it could've gone either way. I think the hardcore comic fans would've rejected it for being too different but new readers, the ones they wanted to attract with Ultimate, wouldn't know any different and might dig it
>>151045736Bendis definitely is assmad about Hollywood like that is an undisputed fact but that's how I always read that scene too. I think it was a sort of metaphor for how Hollywood will take the work comic creators do and make million dollar movies out of it but not involve the actual comic creators or take any sort of notes from them
>>151046617Let me add to this I know things are different now but pretty well till the MCU was successful Hollywood did not want the 'comic book people' involved in the movie making. When Kevin Smith was approached to write Superman Lives he asked why not just ask the guys who actually wrote the comics and WB responded saying "those are comic book people we want movie people". Singer banned any actual issues of X-Men from the set of the first X-Men movie. And, as mentioned before, when Sony did ask Stan and Bendis's opinion on something in the first Spider-Man movie, Bendis got kicked the fuck out
>>151046667>Things are different now.No, they aren't. Comic book people are only allowed to be seen, not heard. Hollywood has a serious problem with the comic book industry and that is something that is never going to change.
>>151045736I mean, Aunt May saying comic books are dreadful things in Spider-man 2 is s bigger jab at the medium than that Bendis example.
>>151046667>>151046695I hate to praise Bendis, but Alias the comic was way better than the show based on it so I kind of wish he was allowed to make that show instead of the Dexter bitch.It probably wouldn't have clicked with its target audience as much (wine aunts seething about men and soi faggots) because Bendis said he wasn't comfortable with touching rape as a subject (fuck rape, what Purple Man did in the comic was way more disturbing anyway), but it had enough sense to be procedural not focus on one case and the Purple Man felt like much more of a threat than he ever did in the show.
>>151046856Eh coming from May it's more of an old person joke rather than a jab
>>151046947It's a jab, she is portrayed as a nice old lady and then suddenly she makes an angry face and says she threw those dreadful things out while Peter just makes a weird dorky half smile and that's that.
>>151046972Not really. It really is just a basic joke. The X-Men yellow spandex line would be a better example of a jab
>>151047040And yet you dorks got mad at the big bang theory for showing the fandom as losers. There were better ways to handle it than saying dreadful, could've just said she threw them out because she thought he was too old for them now.
>>151047080Jeez project much. Big bang theory didn't really have a greater effect on nerd culture that wasn't already happening with casuals and secondaries. >There were better ways to handle it than saying dreadfulWhat you're describing is a lateral move from the original line and neither is offensive coming from a character as old as May. I get that Hollywood hates comics but that line is not motivated by anything other than a cute reference to the film being based on a comic
