Bump if you're reading.
>>151042250Let's see where Hickman's great plans for Cosmic Marvel end up
>>151042332>>151042325>>151042340So I'm kind of confused by Kl'rt's motivations for betrayal, he used to be so loyal to Hulkling. The tie-in where it's revealed that Kl'rt KNOWS that the whole Veranke religious thing is bullshit manipulation but went along with it anyway doesn't help.
Where the fuck is Lauri-Ell?
>>151042340Wasn't America depowered?
>>151042368Hickman doesn't give a shit.
>>151042373Or maybe they simply have no reason to believe you? You're their enemies and it's not like you have any actual evidence.
>>151042381yeah, also Wiccan's book has them escaping via spaceship
>>151042389It is the big issue with this book, Hickman's lack of care for continuity. He just shoves everyone in median res and doesn't expect anyone to ask questions, it worked for X-men in HOX/POX due to X-Men being in the shitter for a decade, but Cosmic Marvel has seen some decent stuff since Anhilation
>>151042380>The future of all these worlds would be determined inside by only four beingsSuperhero comics in general have this problem, but Hickman's especially. They follow the "great man" theory of history, things don't change because of societal changes, but because a few powerful people want it. Hickman doesn't care about how any of this affects the common man and how they might affect things, beyond all Skrulls suddenly becoming scary islamic extremists out of nowhere simply because the CIA manipulated them.
>>151042394No, I'd say they were still pretty evil. The Kree-Skrull Empire was working. The Galactic Alliance was working. Black Bolt ruined all that just so that he could sit his ass on a throne he once abandoned for no reason. How exactly is Black Bolt going to be a better ruler than Hulkling? Because he clearly isn't.
>>151042405Kl'rt was having one hell of run there>killed multiple accusers>Beat Cho and Ronan>Held out a 3v1 against T'challa, Hulk, and Black Bolt for an extended period
>your heroes are le evil because I say soBravo Hickman
>>151042412>>151042416I actually liked Wakanda becoming a Constitutional Monarchy. Abandoning all that because of Hickman's fetish for kings is lame, not to mention that making Wakanda a colonizing Empire makes it even harder to root for them.
>>151042412Feels like Hickman doesn't like how writers like Coats force Wakanda to become a democratic republic
>>151042419>>151042416>>151042412This comic fails to explain WHY exactly exposing Black Bolt's crimes would be bad for anyone. How does anyone but Black Bolt himself benefit? Why does the Galactic Alliance need this lie?
>>151042419this doesn't work since this series is the only series where Peter likes his Dad in any way
>>151042447Of course not, Hickman is obsessed with morally grey kings and strong men.
>>151042437They're not even going to try and make this make sense with Immortal Hulk/Infernal Hulk, are they?
>>151042444>>151042451>>151042460Where is Crystal's headband? Where are Luna and Ahura?
>>151042443Intergalactic wakanda seemed to have never stopped seeing T'challa as their king unlike Earth wakanda
>>151042444Looks like Triton also somehow got better after being killed in Death of the Inhumans.>>151042460You'd think Black Bolt would know better that exile is a terrible idea for someone like Maximus, who knows what shit he's gonna pull. If you're not gonna kill him, you need to lock him up.
And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
Well that sucked and also left us in a worse status quo than before
>>151042499Same with Maximus and Ronan? Clearly it isn't canon at all.
>>151042425This would have worked better if Hickman hadn't written them as acquaintances who barely tolerate each other before this. They should have been written like the close friends and brothers-in-arms they actually are to make this "betrayal" actually have any dramatic impact.Also, Nova is an idiot, he could really have used that money. Now according to solicitations he's gonna be forced to take on mercenary work.
>>151042444>>151042451So how much does the rest of the Inhuman Royal Family know about what happened? You'd think that Crystal at the very least would have objections. You'd think that Karnak would see the flaws in everything, also it looks like Karnak is no longer dressed as a hobo.
>>151042494But the Utopian Kree were part of the Galactic Council prevoislly. I'm not sure why Quill thinks they are only a rumour
>>151042292Sex with female Accusers
>>151042459The Skrulls refuse to accept the truth and Shi'ar already chose themselves over so fucking over Black Bolt would just star war between remaining bit who also don't have leaders due to the assassinations.
>>151042538Because Hickman clearly hasn't actually read any cosmic comics that came out after his Avengers run. He just has a vague idea that Hulkling was put in charge of the Kree and the Skrulls and that Wakanda now has a space Empire, that's it.
>>151042509>caroltranny thinks its opinion matterslmao
>>151042459It's Hickman correcting his own mistake oddly enough, since he made Black Bolt give up the position back in his FF run
>>151042537Medusa mentioned that she doesn't know what they were doing for the past year
>>151042394>>151042396As somsone who really liked the Black Bolt solo series with Absorbing Man, I really hate this "I do horrible shit for what I perceive to be the greater good that conveniently has me in charge" interpretation of Black Bolt. It feels like character assassination, far worse than anything from the Inhumans vs. X-Men era, I will never view him or the rest of the Inhumans as heroes ever again.
>>151042506I don't understand why they didn't start with Imperial Guardians immediately. Do we know anything about the roster or creative team?
>>151042570Or you could just ignore this shit since it doesn't even provide a logical reasoning for it. He would have been better off acting like this after Secret Invasion but now it just rings hollow
>>151042473Why is T'Challa still wearing his "exile" outfit with rags? It doesn't look regal, he needs a new costume.
>>151042582Dan Abnett is probably writing it, he has the time again since he is not longer writing 10 HH books a year for BL
>>151042494>Genis and Phylla Okay, this was worth it. I hope its the true Phylla and not the replacement.
>>151042509Yeah, I get that the Kree-Skrull Empire status quo wasn't going to last, but there were better ways of undoing it. All we got was the character assassination of the Inhumans and Super-Skrull, pro-monarchist propaganda, and lots of OOC moments and continuity issues.
>>151042625They should just have 616 Phylla fuse with the other Phylla like Moondragon did.
What did the Hulks add to this story?
>>151042494>>151042460I feel this is enough plot to suggest an Inhumans book. But at the same time Max being kicked out, pic related could suggest him being in Imperial guardians. The vell siblings gives a better reason for Carol to be around.
>>151042716added more illuminati characters that Hickamsn wanted
>>151042651Heh, maybe. I just think replacing Phylla with an alt is pretty shitty from a fictional POV.Genis kinda looks like ass in that teaser, hope he doesn't looks lile that in the future.
>>151042538I'm all for shitting on Hickman but the utopians were wildly under developed. Ewing basically never touched them again after creating them. Just cameos and Noh-var as the mouth piece.
Carol's getting her own ongoing soon so maybe it'll just be Genis and Phyla in IG
>>151042716>It's the 20th anniversary of Planet Hulk, we need to make a comic to capitalize on that>Ok but Hickman has a cosmic event comic he's working on so let's dump Hulk there
Is the Galactic Union just the Galactic Council with a different name or are all nations except the Shi'ar and Skrulls now united into a single universal nation?
>>151042570To me I think after Death of the Inhumans he just Hit Fuck it
>>151042483NoOnly way that this makes sense is that sometime after Charlie leaves Hulk, Banner gets a one-up on the Fractured Son persona and puts Worldbreaker in charge and goes to spaceThen once he's back, Fractured Son steals back his position as the primary persona, then helps the New Avengers a little with the Killuminati, and then gets stuck in the Requiem Plain
>>151042883Yeah looks like it, but more Great man playing petty politics in than before
>>151042386Another writer who believes Black Bolt's only power is his voice
>>151042888Also Devil is back as Green Scar courtesy of Coleen resurrecting both to beat Thanos in her annual, but whoever and how strong the fractured son is, he put all of the hulks into the hulkscape prison.
>>151042625Sorry anon you're getting the competent one. If she appeared beyond a cameo in this book Hickman might have retconned her back to life but I doubt another writer will do that. Even PAD just wrote Alt phyla and just had her state that her life was close enough to 616 to slot in as genis's sister.
>>151042447Hickman hates any new status quo that are not of his making>>151042480I hope he gets his ass off the Avengers. First, king is a full time job. Second, he can't be trusted.
>>151042743Shulkie's Uber>>151042788but they also made a planet hulk one shot or some shit
>>151042625The "twin meaning" line kindaimplies these Vells are twin siblings. Might just be a new set of Vells to replace Genis, Phyla, AU-Phyla
>>151042716That's a very good question. Especially since it doesn't work with the current Hulk book at all. Maybe somebody REALLY wanted to a Sakaar book for some reason.
>>151042926He will be off it after Mackay run is complete, since Bendis is back(probably) he will want to write his fav on the avengers agein sans Danny since he is dead
>>151042967Anon Danny is back right now. He's killing off demons and he fought miles and matt
>>151042480How exactly are we meant to root for T'Challa as a good guy if he is now a colonizer imperialist? He is now everything he claimed to have about the European powers that looted Africa.
>>151042987as a weird Ghost Rider undead guy with a time limit
>>151042967So, Miles and Riri and some other black teenage girl who stumbled on an origin box will be Avengers.And maybe Kitty too
>>151042360Basically Kl'rt saw the chance for Skrulls to take over and said "fuck it we ball".As usual you can't ever trust them green wrinkled-ching skriggers.
>>151042582It'll presumably have Gamora, Darkhawk and Captain Marvel given the recent one-shot.
>>151042447coates is an obama-era apologist trying to copium his way through his writing on trying to excuse neoliberal democracyhickman understands that men are men and great men have great ambitions when you boil it down to the base instincts. there will always be kings and men who want to be kings. wakandan culture has been near exclusive monarchical, experimenting with democracy is just that, an experiment, (wakandan) tradition will always overcome because human (comic) status quo always prevails, he doesn't fight that at all and just has it be a ride
>>151042386Was he always strong enough to fight BP, Hulk and Black Bolt at the same time?
>>151042412>>151042416>Democracy is le bad, absolute monarchy is awesome!Are we meant to actually agree with Shuri here?
>>151043078He was strong enough to fight the entire Fantastic Four.
>>151042506>tease Charles for space Marvel>he never shows up>tease again for a space X-BookOh fuck you Hackman
Honestly, I like how the cosmic side is just tyrannical states filled with grey characters at best. Leave all the talks about good, bad and people freedom to Earth
>>151042340So Hulkling just gives up? He gives up the throne? He gives up his space destiny? He doesn't even bother trying to help his people? All because one group of radical Skrulls launched a rebellion?
>>151043108The problem is that later we'll still be expected to see characters like Black Panther, Black Bolt and Star-Lord as heroes.
>>151043091So are Hulk and BB
>>151043080A lot BP fans were mad about T'challa deposed and how Ridley wrote him. Non king T'challa sold like shit.
>>151043171They could have just said, "even if Wakanda now has a democracy, there is still value in having a King and a Black Panther", not this "those plebians don't know what's best for them, we need a big strong man of the right bloodline to be in charge of everything" shit.
>>151043080>>151043197Attilan was turned into a democracy with the nuHumans shit, it got ignored and forgotten. Atlantis got turned into a democracy, I think its been forgotten I haven't kept up. The same was always going to happen to Wakanda its not interesting for the setting
>>151042498So Black Bolt triggered a race war and got away with it, because kings are more fun for Hickman to write, I guess...
>>151042405>For History is written by the winnersI hate this phrase so goddamn much. If that were true, then why is the Lost Cause of the Confederacy a thing? Why is every narrative about the Vietnam War told from the point of view of the Americans? Why are vikings considered the bad guys?
>>151043221And Hickman isn't even sticking around to write anything else.
>>151042999He's getting fully resurrected at the end as the others, it seems that "one iron fist" shenanigans was always a ruse, hence the entire mystery of all of them dying to the same individual.
>>151043171That's more due to writers not giving a shit about T'Challa and only caring about Wakanda as some AfroFuturist Utopia, which was not how Wakanda was presented before Hudlin's book
I Think T'challa just didn't want to lose his ace in the hole when mutants are getting uppity
>>151044424I guess T'challa knows about Black Bolt's secret foot fetish or something
>>151043057damn.... RIP kree-skull union
They could've at least had Kl'rt take on Veranke's identity after the IG issue
>>151044921The actual one is secretly still alive because a writer struggled to come up with Spider-Woman enemies, so impersonating her directly might make unneeded enemies.
>>151042244really mediocre variant covers except these two.Imperial #4 Javier Garrón Connecting VariantImperial #4 JeeHyung Lee VariantImperial #4 NetEase Games Marvel Rivals VariantImperial #4 Simone Di Meo Stormbreakers New Class VariantImperial #4 Skottie Young VariantImperial #4 1:25 Logan Lubera VariantImperial #4 1:100 JeeHyung Lee Virgin Variant
>>151044993Two skrulls fighting over who gets to be Empress bu fighting over the specific identity/name/shape would be kino
>>151042425>he would rather do actual dirty work than take the fucking moneyDammit Rich you just went full retard.But never mind. This conflict can still potentially become interesting under a better writer, and I do enjoy a brothers' war.
>>151043228It's a rather lazy surface-level take said by people who don't actually study history.
>>151042538I think the implication is Noh convincing the imperials to join the Utopians and Peter just doesn't know it's him doing it personally. Otherwise there are basically replacing Utopia just to do utopia again. Which honestly isn't off the table. Hickman did have Black Bolt leave the kree empire just so he could conquer it against but within the rules of some prophecy.
I feel like I missed a miniseries about Kl'rt. He's been all in on backing Hulkling since all the way back in the Young Avengers days. As recently as Empyre he was opposing the old, purebred skrull royalty in favor of Hulkling. Hickman is just doing whatever with these characters.
>>151042498This is a terrible place to leave cosmic marvel as a whole and you could argue it's a dogshit place to leave the 2 leading men who started what is modern cosmic marvel.
>>151042244What's the point of having Lockjaw eating Ronan's weapon on the cover if he doesn't even do anything
>>151042460What is that look in the second panel? I can't tell if Black Bolt is feeling smug over telling Maximus to fuck off for a bit, or a smirk of acknowledgment that he knows how the game is played and he knows he'll see Maximus again when things start going awry, because that's just how Maximus works.
>>151043108>>151043129>we'll still be expected to see characters like Black Panther, Black Bolt and Star-Lord as heroes.That's kind of the problem in dealing with the scale of an interstellar empire in fiction, either it has to be a complete utopia where nobody wants for anything because everything is provided, or really nasty shit has to happen to keep everyone in line because one town full of people can barely agree on everything, expand that to a city, expand that to a country, expand that to the whole planet, now multiply that by a few hundred or thousands of planets, and you start to see the problem of trying to keep things on the level.It's no different how in the past, and to a somewhat lesser degree nowadays, various heads of state were mythologized to be great heroes, but only great heroes to their people. I highly doubt the ones they've conquered or took advantage of saw them as anything but greedy cunts that need to fuck off. It's why I don't mind characters like Namor or T'Challa being less than the modern heroic ideal, none of them can afford to be like Captain America because they have an entire state to run.
>>151042499It seems to be a concession for those old school Inhuman fans who never approved of Hickman writing Maximus as a good guy and Black Bolts dick rider, rather than a legit psychopath incel who lives solely for torturing his brother and trying to rape Medusa
>>151042883Sounds like the European UnionAll of the various small planets and colonies banding together to make a strong resource block for trade So that they can compete with the giant empire economies
>>151042498>Full helmetThanks God! now I hope they keep it!
>>151042498The helmet is fine but the jacket is crap
>>151042451...I really hope future writers will play this as an act by Black Bolt and Maximus because *no way in hell* Black Bolt is so stupid to actually *send Maximus away*, especially this way.
So we are now Star Wars where all the conflicts will be civil wars?
>>151048394I think thats what the smug face is implying but its all stupid either way
I don't think I saw a mention of what happened in the Exiles tie-in
>>151049202Despite this being the catalyst I think the exiles is going to be fully in the x-house. Pulling out of the union means the shi'ar won't intersect with what they are doing. Plus Xavier can't ask as easily ask for help.
>>151042905This dude is wearing Cell's helmet
>>151047260I'm fine with dick riding I really wish they would bring back being an actual schizo. He was one of the few "Mad scientist" that wasn't just essentric
>>151042525I trust McKay to write a better Nova doing questionable shit and still maintain who the character is than whatever Hickman is doing here.>>151045390Under a better writer their fallout would have been interesting but I guess whatever future stories that come out of this do have the potential to be good.
>>151042905Hickman was really bad with that. He only used the voice
>>151042582Is that comic still happening?
>>151051357See >>151042506
>>151042300I swear Kree women are more expandable than fucking skrulls and goons in a punisher book. They drop like flies.
>>151051992Lucky for them they grow their babies in labs
>>151045016christ it looks like she's wearing a diaper the fuck
>>151051992It is what happens when your species are generally "space Nazis". Like two levels of expendable.
>>151042506Thanks. This was fine. One thing I kind of hate about modern comic events (or maybe this is more of a Hickman thing) is how vague a lot of things end up being, the minutia being even harder to see if you're reading month to month and not decently versed on the history of most character included. Older comics may have been overwritten, but at least I wasn't constantly asking myself "what is this character's motivation?" and "is this location supposed to be significant?"
>>151051992>only Kdee woman that isn't dying is Carol huge buff sisterCursed timeline
>>151054443You can't die if the writer doesn't know you exist.
>>151042506>Make an event that is entirely pushed by the Inhumans actions>No Inhumans booksI hope they were just holding out for the event to end. Not having an Inhumans after making it all about them would be retarded even if Hickman isn't writing.
>>151054443She's dying via exclusion if the Imperial guardians writer doesn't use her
>>151054443Blessed timeline
>>151042416Didn't they do the whole "wah, you need to make hard choices for the greater good when you're kind" during the incursions, only for it to turn out that the incursion situation was in effect made worse with their scheming >>151042459Couldn't they just take out black bolt without revealing the truth. Holds him accountable and doesn't destabilize things too too much
>>151054474Can't even be a sales thing, Black panther, She-hulk, and Nova sold way worse than they last did. Hell even the entire known cast Imperial guardians bombed out, Carol's solo, darkhawk, and that wild west guardians book.
>>151054540So if Carol Danvers is 5'11'' 165 lbs. as Captain Marvel (up from her ~120 lbs. as Ms. Marvel), how big is her sister?
>>151054957She's roughly as big as Ronan
>>151054992That's huge. She would tower over She-Hulk, even if not as dense as her.
>>151042625Genis without PAD feels wrong
>>151042437And then Hulk left her ass
>>151054443>>151054540The carol DNA is the key. It's how Minn-erva hasn't bitten the dust. That and only appearing once as every ten years.
>>151056328She's just taken Carol's homoerotic blue-skinned nemesis slot now that Mystique is fully X-claimed and also married.
>>151050438Ewing retconned his schizo tendancy as the result of his future talking to him IIRC and that was was basically solved at the end of royals.Not that Hickman gives a shit.
>>151056351Could be nice, but putting her in a kree colored version of the captain marvel suit was stupid and how she has something else the next time she shows up
>>151043057Which is a compete assassination of the super skrull's 30+ years old characterization but who GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OLD IPS rigth?
More and more I think it's actually a blessing Hickman hasn't gotten to write Legion of Superheroes
>>151056722Max will be lucky if he gets to keep those powers but there is zero chance any writer using Maximus the sane. So far nobody has acknowledged that shit.
>>151056351The window that she wasn't mostly X is very tiny.
Man I just want the Inhumans to have their own cool little c-lister corner of the universe again, they were cool characters before
>>151042490intergalactic wakanda should have never existedspartoi should have never fucking existedthe idea of galactics civilization being one giant UN where everyone talks and holds diplomacy is retarded and completely tone deaf compared to the old weird marvel cosmic.It just isn't as interesting.At least phylla is back after literal 20 years of being dead>muh cloneshit
>>151057001>spartoi should have never fucking existedWhy not?>the idea of galactics civilization being one giant UN where everyone talks and holds diplomacy is retarded and completely tone deaf compared to the old weird marvel cosmic.I don't see the issue. Like the real UN, it's not like they'll have any actual authority to stop the members from going to war with each other anyway.
Well, this was crap.
>>151042437That is one pretty She-Hulk.
>>151042888It makes sense when it's framed as Bruce getting his shit together for a bit because bigger things than his own dramas are involved, specifically his own family business. All the different personas are all him. There's no Hulk/WorldBreaker/FracturedSon/Devil/Savage etc. It's all just Bruce.
This comic sucked. All this did was make the cosmic Marvel setting feel small and stupid. And cosmic Marvel was never that great to begin with.
>>151042437I'm not quite sure what the point of Bruce being in the story was.
>>151058672It was all to get Jen on Sakaar for Planet She-Hulk the series.
>>151058672It's part of the 20th anniversary of planet Hulk celebration along with the Planet she-hullk book and a planet hulk one shot that was completely unrelated to everything. Not that I think about that Hulk getting possessed shit it probably the lead for a World War Hulk event
>>151042498So this bitch a villain. Ow?
Is hickman making cosmic marvel worse or better?
>>151042423How does BB even have a claim to the throne?
This bit from Venom 250 reads a bit different now
>>151060532The sooner we get rid of Knull the better
>>151060532>Most of the time someone brings up Ewing's space comics here it is negative>Hickman's massive unsettling is negative
>>151062002I don't think I've really seen people Bemoan Ewing cosmic stuff on /co/. At most, it was people complaining that it was a bit Gay, which it was, or that future writers just ignored what he did with Cosmic, like the GotG run after him was some pointless Space Western that was exceptionally boring
>>151059874It’s been dead for the last few years, so I think it’s cool that they’re finally doing something with again other than X-men booksI feel like it comes a little too late. Most readers have moved on by this point
>>151042244sage
>>151056881When has Hickman ever given a shit about keeping characterization straight. I call him Autistic Bendis for a reason because he has Bendis' exact same quality of mutilating characters to fit the story he wants to tell instead of writing his story with characters in mind. He wanted Kl'rt to do this so Kl'rt does it no matter how little sense it makes because he's a hack.
>>151045500Hackman is a fucking pseud, what do you expect?
Other than bringing in the sales with his name and not entirely sure a Inhuman book from hickman would be good for the family. He doesn't seem to have interest in any of royals besides Black Bolt and Maximus. He relied more on his OC inhumans in Fantastic four than the rest of the family. His Black Bolt is arguably more devious than Maximus since it always seems to be his plans. He is the biggest pusher of "voice is his only power" nonsense. He forgot Crystal has a kid.
>>151065541Black Bolt and Medusa also have a kid.
>>151057001>At least phylla is back after literal 20 years of being deadYeah but 20 years ago she was a constant fuck up token lesbian, and literally the only time she made us cheer was when Thanos finally killed her.
>>151042416>>151042419is Starlord finally going to actually get to do something in this nonsense plot?
>>151042425Brothers becoming enemies would work if Hickman had actually written them like their Annihilation selves instead of bickering stooges
>>151057001>At least phylla is back after literal 20 years of being deadThat is almost certainly the alt universe one or a new one altogether to fit this twin shit.
>>151042489>>151042494>>151042498Well at least he's not dead
>>151065980>fuck up token lesbianAny actual criticisms to the character?
>>151042244Bump
Does anyone REALLY like the Kree, Shi'ar, or Skrulls? I would never put them up there as iconic sci-fi alien races like the Klingons, Wookies, or Kryptonians.
Okay I don't get it. Why is Black Bolt trying so hard to become galactic superking of the Kree again?
>>151067894Nobody gives a shit about Kryptonian culture. It's why those tone-deaf CW shows all crashed and burned. People like Superman, not his shitty dead planet.
>>151067894Kree and Skrulls absolutely
>>151067894Shi'ar have some fun history with the X-Men of being absolute cunts for no reason. Skrulls are just fun.
>>151068212Because Hickman said so
>>151067894I like the Skrulls but could not give any less of a shit about the Kree or Shi'ar.
>>151067894>wookies>iconicChewbacca is iconic and that's it
>>151068212Editorial doesn't want them on earth and has been pushing this deep space angle for years. Hickman probably just decided Kree was the best answer.
>>151066101>>151057001>>151065980The OG Phylla actually recently showed up in Storm, in the Realm of Death as one of Death's enforcers along with Gorr and the Sentry. Which I guess makes sense since before she died she was "Martyr" and served as an avatar of Death.
>>151068801I wouldn't put much stock in that. I think it's either zombies or anyone that died. The last page had a bunch of currently living motherfuckers in her army.
>>151065980>constant fuck up>token lesbianpick one also the reaper cosplay was GOAT fug u
>>151068850I wouldn't put stock in anything at all that happens in that shitty book.
>>151042480very pretty space backdrop
