>Stopping settler colonialism is... bad actually
>>151069058 Attempting to wipe out a town and attacking old people and faking it was an assassin is bad.
cool it with the anti-semitism
>>151069182No one was talking about anything involving Jewish people.
>>151069058counterpoint, he died like an retard and the main team doesn't even care to confirm it lol
>>151069058>villain who were objectively right>>151069166didnt they rob the oldman for a map of the village so they could wipe it out efficiently? either way, while doing that to the oldie is cruel, the villagers are squatting on their land, aiding army by living there. they knew the risks, they are part of the war
>>151069166the settlers knew what they were doing and deserved to die. you don't accidentally trip and fall into farmland on another continent.
>>151069320>>151069357 You seem to be on the damn person that they were a bunch of Fire Nation people who took land from someone else instead of Kingdom Village that lived there for generation . Not that even if they were Fire Nation would have made it not a war crime by realize standards when we have no evidence anyone was the space or anything live in there before these earthquino people moved in and no Fire Nation military in the area does not mean everyone is a Serbian to the Fire Nation.
>>151069166Why did the old man have poison again?
>>151069058It's both the tactically sound means to wipe out a lot of soldiers of fire-casting invaders who you can't regularly fight otherwise when you have no powers, ANDthe correct moral decision for Aang Katara and Sokka to stop him. History is written by the winners and would be portrayed as the necessary fight to save the Earth Kingdom for citizens to stably live in their nation, AND the work of a bastard in practice you need to fight.Revolutions are the icons AND their nloody reality. Praise your past victories, our society needs those, but catch a bastard when you come upon one.
>>151069058There's a pretty huge difference between colonialism and world domination. Colonialization is done to primitive societies who don't have maps, borders, or anything resembling civilization, so you bring it to them. The stuff Sozin was saying would be right, if applied to the Swampbenders, but almost only them. They conveniently left out the actually-colonizationworthy cultures while trying to illustrate imperial Japan, which makes you booo when in real life, the southeast asian archipelagos would have been significantly happier under japanese rule.But they overstepped their bounds and attacked US, and that's what the fire nation is doing.
>>151069415read my post again>>151069320this isnt moralism about displacement or whatever. by living there, making food, harvesting crops, trading and all that other shit, the filthy Hotmen are directly supporting the Burner's AngriffsKrieg against the Earthen people. THIS. IS. WAR
>>151069455 History is not written by The Victors it's written by the historians.
>>151069415Because the fire nation had already moved in and converted it into a military outpost years ago. It was a legitimate target even under modern rules of warfare.>>151069494lol no, colonization can be done to anyone. the english and scots were not above the irish in technology or other trappings of civilization, but ireland was colonized. pretty much all colonization in Asia was done to people who had fully functional countries and long written histories.>coprosperity sphere faggotrykill yourself
>>151069058Look just because we're all regretful about the Indian past doesn't mean the scalping were hunky dory.
>>151069513 So they need to move the moment a bunch of juveniles are doing Rebellion tactics in the area against the Fire Nation where The majority of the population probably have lived long before the oldest of those kids fighting the Fire Nation were even born? Yes I understand this is war but that doesn't mean that moment anyone within a thousand feet is fighting any one of the enemy that the civilian population needs to run for the hills possibly screwing themselves to die or be called Traders for not making it easier for a probably going to fail level group in order to kill allowed to few amount of enemy soldiers and with Gorilla tactics like that it would definitely win retribution against the of Kingdom civilian population and response as a method of them saying don't do that.
>>151069520And what do they KNOW about what happened if Aang didn't cross paths with Jet? What does a past crime do for the Earth Kingdom but leave it with regrets when the lie leads to the same national conclusion? State secrets protect the national integrity, and some secrets have been forgotten even. Sometimes you don't need to know how the sausage gets made. Welcome to the Revolutionary War, George Washington was a good and noble man.
>>1510695811. your post was pretty hard to read2. implication by clothing colours, stories theme is that they are all firenation (ep didnt mention earth citizens in the village and it would confuse the general message for kids if there were)3. again, economic aid for the Hotmen' AngriffsKrieg! even if they were Dirtslingers, would that change anything? a traitor gone is the same as a good rebel gone, just another life.
>>151069058Yes, drowning children is bad
>>151069574ireland was not colonized you mong. I mean maybe it is now, colonized by middle easterners, but no. That was literally nextdoor neighbors. Next youll tell me Spain colonized Portugal.>all colonization in asiayes, Japan was colonized. the primitive Ainu people were conquered by the Han Chinese. The rest? I mean that all happened in way more recent times, like French Indochina.>the guy who thinks people living in slums are happier than if a superior civilization ruled them tells me to kill myselfchecks out.
>>151069575You know what cheeses my burger the most?okay, you want to take away their food supply and cut off their idiotic nomadic way of life, fine. You don't KILL OFF the bison. you STEAL them. Put them in pens. Shoot anyone who comes near, claim they're yours. we could be eating so much bison right now.
>>151069357Do you think they had a choice?
>>151069888Do you know how fucking sicko mode bison are? They're the aurochs of the new world, they aren't new cows. You can domesticate some now, but it's not something every wagoneer's going to be able to do, getting into essentially empty land for miles with no infrastructure to take care of them easily like, a giant road system.It's like asking the medieval peasants why they didn't make communism.
>>151069357Retardo
>>151069058By killing the people who have colonized alongside them, yeah, not very liberating.
>>151069575We taught them that, you dumb fuckRead a book
>>151069888You can't domesticate Bison
>>151070688Wrong, various cultures came up with the idea independently, dipshit
>>151070688>They never scalped anyone until evil white man came alongBull, Shit. YOU find me the book that says the people from the same continent they carved people's hearts out sure hecking fucking never done did think of being mean to nobody 'til big old mean WYTEE came along, and I'll google their early life and save my time anyway.
>>151070783>>151070688Nigga out here likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMPAAuG2pH8
>>151069455>History is written by the winnersAlso, you know, all the first hand accounts that Historians use to piece together the facts from.
>>151070850That the winners accept as canon.
>huuur, killing is fine if the people are associated with bad peopleLiteral brainlet mentality
>>151071680>killing is fine if the people are associated with bad peopleYes and?
>>151071755Brainlet
>>151069058So did Jet die in the end?
>>151071680>killing is fine if the people are associated with bad peopleYes. This is literally how humanity has worked for its entire history.What's "bad" you might ask? It's things I don't like. Glad we could have this talk.
>>151071837Moron
>>151071837You're a reptile, so we agree that much. Sorry Hasan Piker, but involving civilians in wars is bad regardless as war is inhuman by it's nature. Both sides having the inability to compromise is a falsity by virtue on scarcity no longer exist in a modern world.
>>151069058It's funny that Bryke criticize Korra for being centrist/neoliberal as fuck when this pattern existed all the way back in ATLA with Jet and Hama, but nobody can really get to the meat of the issue with how ATLA SPECIFICALLY fucks them up.The problem with Jet and Hama is that the story wants to declare that there is a Just way of fighting a war by juxtaposing what the heroes do with what destructive examples do (attacking a civilian colony, bloodbending random innocents), but it not only has to ignore that being Just in a war isn't something that can be consistent (sooner or later, complex/messy choices must be made), but it also refuses to look at the bigger picture when it comes to victims striking back. Even if Jet and Hama are punching down, there is a MASSIVE power imbalance between them and the Fire Nation. Logically, the interesting thing to do would be to follow up Jet and Hama's stories where we see successors to them do messy/complex/morally ambiguous things and they aren't shamed for it.It's kinda like how Mangahood shames Scar for wanting State Alchemists dead while the 03 anime goes "no, Scar is absolutely right to want as many State Alchemists dead". The former claims Scar is bad for the act of killing itself, while the latter counters with "no, he just needs to pick the right targets".
>>151072088No matter how you slice it, attacking civilians is evil. Kill yourself you radicalized incel.
>>151072102Not if those civilians contribute to the war machine that is deadset on conquering the world and genociding other nations. No amount of "well, they weren't personally killing EK or WT citizens" washes away how Fire Nation citizens were still participating in the war effort.There's a reason every nation that's ever faced a big war eventually goes for targeting "innocent" civilians, especially if the war stagnates. When attacking soldiers, outposts, and supply chains isn't an option, you have to do whatever it takes to win.
>>151072130>Not if those civilians contribute to the war machine that is deadset on conquering the world and genociding other nations.The problem is that it radicalizes the civilians against them if they're an insurgency, usually with the aims of living together in peace after the conflict. Terror attacks killing massive amounts of civilians doesn't help the cause for smaller groups, countries could do it against each other because it doesn't really matter in total war.
>>151072102Attacking civilians is bad but so is persecuting a group of people and stealing their land. The issue is that you shouldn't judge the conflict on the Fire Nation's terms, because they're the oppressors and they set the bar. Jet and Hama do horrible things but they also shouldn't be condemned for not being the perfect victims, because the FN is doing worse on innocent civilians on a much larger scale.
>>151073005Correction: the armies of the Fire Nation, not all of its people. The people in the village were integrating with the Earth Kingdom folk just fine. Condemning them to death just because they're from the Fire Nation is fucking retarded, and Jet was rightfully called an asshole for wanting to murder them simply because of where they were from.
>>151069058the showrunners were libs who hadn't read fanon
>>151069058>be child>father has to move to newly colonized area for work>you have no say in this and no control over the situation due to being a child>man who does not like colonizations kills you and your whole family
>>151069058Cutting off your nose to spite your face is generally considered a bad thing yes.The fact that an entire generation of kids now adults missed the point of this very simple, basic lesson lesson in a children's cartoon just show how fucking stupid this country is
>>151073372Less that they missed it and more that they were conditioned to ignore it and or misconstrue it.
From a righteous point of view I would never consider doing what Jet has done. But from a logical perspective I can concede the merits of his decision. What the other anon said about the fire peasants supporting the war effort does sound true. And if you start thinking about sparing some innocents, eventually the line will get blurred. You will start to hesitate and either let victims free that shouldn’t be, either through deceit or giving intel to the army, and will counteract your war efforts, or spare the ones that could eventually grow to be your enemy. That’s not even taking into account that if you start bending the line of your compromises than those following you will lose faith in you, your cause or even both.
>>151072088Yet another reason why 03 is for retarded pseuds
>>151069166>my village was stolen today>I was pretty bummed about it>But I think whoever stole it was probably more happy to get it than I am to lose it>The total happiness in the world increased>So whatever
>>151071038If this were true, we wouldn't know dick about 90% of the world's cultures.This mentality hasn't been a thing since the fucking renaissance.
>>151073005No one "has" land. What, its blood and soil for brown people?
>>151071972>as war is inhuman by it's nature.lol>Both sides having the inability to compromise is a falsity by virtue on scarcity no longer exist in a modern world.lmao even
>>151073851We also have people lying about said cultures for political gain like Margaret Mead.
>>151069058It's been a while since I last watched Avatar, but it was an Earth Kingdom village, wasn't it? That was the entire problem, it was a village full of Earth Kingdom civilians (or at worst, a mix of earth and fire civilians) that were occupied by Fire Nation Soldiers, and Jet wanted to wipe everyone out.
>>151073326Should have said no>inb4 we were just following orders
>>151073975You remembered correctly, but you'd be forgiven for thinking that the town Jet was planning on flooding was 100% colonial since a lot of the tards in this thread act as if it was
>>151069058Its an american anime so it has to justify its war crimes
His only mistake was not taking the young women to split them with his troops, should have killed the rest.I mean, it's not like they had any chicks in their peter pan tier rebel group.
>>151074261Smellerbee is RIGHT THERE, dude.
>>151074109The children should have said no?
>>151069058Demonstrably false, because the native population is always a bunch of backwards scumfucks who'd do the same if they had an IQ above 85.
>>151073975>>151074131The civilian Sokka prevented Jet from killing was wearing Fire Nation robes so there were settlers present
>>151074585Nobody’s contesting that there were, but that doesn’t change the fact that the town was an occupied Earth Kingdom village, not a Fire Nation settlement
