But Cartoon Youtubers told me that "indie animation" is the future just beacuse they have Dana Terrace and Olan Rogers
>>151092804I usually am open to critiques of indie animation from the perspective that it's not as easy as people make it out to be and so many indie projects fail. However, it seems like this guy is mad because he thinks some YouTube animations are going to undermine union labor when unions have done a piss poor job helping animation and have been resorting to organizing Twitter yaoi artists as their main way to advocate for good wages and fair conditions. The New Deal for Animation seemed easy to undermine as getting antis mad about artists shipping the wrong characters.
>>151092804It's funny how many of these indietoon-supporting people claim to be supportive of indie animation just because they mention the same 5 shows, most of which are owned by Glitch. They act like supporting normie shit will save animation, many such cases...
>WAHHHH WHY AM I NOT BEING PAID $80K A YEAR FOR DRAWING PICTURES Do they not hear themselves?
>>151092804>Olan RogersIsn’t he that faggot who made a sci-fi cartoon with that shitty ass generic millennial adult cartoon artstyle? Anybody who claims to support animation while giving their cartoons that garbage cheap ass artstyle deserves to be spanked.
>>151093022What’s that?
>>151093022Nice lack of empathy anon, would love how much money you get in your job..
>>151092804Much of the videos are about Dana's show being "indie is the future over Disney" like these faggots did with Dreamworks being better than Disney in 2022 during the Puss In Boots 2 hype only to get mogged with Ruby Gillman being shit.
>>151093055I guess you will be a new one besides the usual Jeffyposterhttps://desuarchive.org/co/search/filename/BENTO%20FOX%20SLOPtm.png%20/
>>151092804>Olan RogersHe's a hack who go his own show cancelled and vaulted as a tax writeoff, so now he's moving on to ruining other peoples shows. At least Dana can draw. Olan is a narcissistic frat bro who sniffs his own farts because he made people laugh once at a comedy open mic night when he was in college.
>>151092874The bottom is full of kino though, except for the shart house
>>151092804Why do you care what random niggas on the internet think?
>>151093055>Isn’t he that faggot who made a sci-fi cartoon with that shitty ass generic millennial adult cartoon artstyleYes. And yet the way he talks about it, you'd think it was the deepest god damned show that has ever graced animation. He gives off serious BPD vibes.
>>151092804The fuck did he expect? Indie means essentially a garage/bedroom company, they can't afford to pay proper salaries, thats why its usually a bunch of friends essentially working out of their own pockets and agreeing on splitting earnings instead.
>>151092854ye honestly these folks are prolly rly lucky to have their passion projects spring off like that; entertainment doesn't come cheap
>>151092804>union deathbut that is good for everyone
>>151092854>when unions have done a piss poor job helping animationUnions job is to help their members (as they do).
>>151092874some humor in using a Spongebob meme to call Spongebob a babyshow.
>>151093106There are just some anons who post the same image more than once to make the same valid point when it’s relevant to the discussion, I’ve seen channers who do this a couple times before, there’s a difference between them and schizos who just spam shit daily.
>>151092804A lot of people don't understand that cranking out animation means you're left with two options>pay everyone reasonable wages and have them work no more than they legally can (this results in your show not coming out for years)>pay everyone dogshit wages and have them work overtime and crunch (your show will come out faster)Studios outsourced to East Asia as soon as they could because they don't really have unions over there. America did which meant that if the animation was kept in-house, animated series would take much longer to come out and be more expensive (which meant every new show would be a gamble in terms of profit). >but wages in America continued to stagnate (which meant luxury products like animation were no longer a priority)>and then the 08 recession basically crippled the industry from making lots of episodes>all while studios began making cuts and forcing employees to work the jobs of five people each
>>151092874>The Day That The Earth Blew Up as a niche adult filmYou're more retarded
>>151093070Lmao
>>151093599The Day the Earth Blew Up isn’t there because it’s a serious adult film, but rather because it’s a fully-cartoonist driven 2D one with massive creative control visible in it, something that’s very rare these days, and one that was given very little attention thanks to executives not marketing it. A film of any genre can be considered a niche film.>Spiderverse is a normies action film, Wolfwakers is a niche animation enthusiasts action film>Ratatouille is a normies drama film, Memoir of a Snail is a niche animation enthusiasts drama film>Despicable Me is a normies comedy film, The Day the Earth Blew Up is a niche animation enthusiasts comedy film
>>151093066me
>>151092804why do I open 4chan and get twitter gossip? can you kill yourself, OP?
indie animation used to mean 8 minute funny as hell potato quality newgrounds animations made by one guy whenever he felt like it. Who probably had a real job or classes to do on the side
>>151094155There'd be occasional indie web cartoons back then that'd reach massive popularity, Happy Tree Friends was the OG indie web cartoon to spawn a franchise and make its way to TV, but for some reason indietoon enthusiasts dont acknowledge that fact.
meme arrows on twitter, of course it's some retard from 4chan
>>151092804>"indie animation" is the future beacuse they have Dana Terrace and Olan Rogers>indie animation is just becoming a cesspit of LA industry creators whose shitty projects failed to pitch their dogshit ideas on name recognition aloneNot really looking forward to that. The minute Sugar enters indie it’s all over.
>>151092804This isn't even true, Glitch literally pays better than Disney TVA.
>>151092804>Animators would much rather bitch, whine, screech, and whine some more than ever actually realize their chosen job is not an actual career field. Was only meant for wealthy nepo babies, and never once promised a means of ever actually making a living.>Still refuse to go get an actual job after years of being brokeThis is why people hate them and have no sympathies. They jumped into a field that is not a career. It's a child of rich families hobby at best. If you dad does not own Nike, quit trying to be a fucking animator! And quit trying to make your shit choices in life everyone else's problem.
>>151092804AI cannot replace these whining fags fast enough....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WkJw1NsFBI>give me money because....JUST DO IT OKAY
>>151094686Yeah but now you have those damn dirty no good prompt thieves ruining things for everyone!
>union fags turning on indie animationIndie animation is the future.
>>151092804So you're going to listen to some twitter cunts instead? Ok, I guess.>>151094764This shit is hilarious. Let the dumb faggots eat each other.
>>151094832Union vs indie animation Civil War when
>>151094660>People decide not to pursue animation anymore except for nepobaby drawstein>Anons will then complain that all the new shows suckWhat exactly do people want here?
>>151095319The death of western animation.
>>151092804>>151094155>>151094832>>151095227The blunt fact is that for all the people doing their own indy projects and everyone clamoring to get in on the indy animation train right now, they would ALL rather be doing mainstream stuff for a major studio and getting paid decent money for it. Almost none of these people want to be doing indy stuff, they just have to since there is barely any legit big studio work to be had. Lots of people have given up any hope of making it in a major studio, they are not going to live their dream of working on a Disney feature or a Nicktoon, they are never going to pitch their own pilot to Cartoon Network. Those days are gone, most of those places stopped hiring anyone years ago. And they are way WAAAAY down the line behind guys with huge and impressive resumes and lots of major award winning things they have worked on in the past. There is no hope for an up and comer or recent grad to get anywhere. Not when past showrunners of successful series have also been out of work and are begging for any scraps.People are going indy because if they want to do anything animation they have to. There is no other choice. But, if there was a choice they would not be peddling their work on YouTube.
>>151093070My job brings material gain to the world at least
>>151093836and coyote vs acme is a normie animation enthusiasts comedy film
>>151095391and what job would that be
>>151092804every OP in your post is the same nigga so you're obviously Venz. eat a dick, twitterfag
>>151092804Serious question how many anons here or animators that you guys know have job experience in the blue collar field?
>>151095470>no immediate response Kek, you got him on the ropes. Let's watch him wriggle out.
>>151095971Blue collar work is something that guys like to brag about but have never actually doneJust like anons who suggest working at McDonald's, no adult with self respect or an IQ over 80 would tolerate such a shit job for more than a few months
>>151096079People need to be honest about how blue collar work is a good way to fuck up your body.
Indie animation and comic has become the garage rock band of NEET 20-something of today.
>>151094376The two first seasons RWBY, too. It became quite massive in Japan, just like TADC is now
>>151096495Having a lot of cute girls in your show will do that
Sounds like it’s time for a real job
>>151097720NOOOOOO FUCK YOU DAD I WANT TO MAKE A DISNEY CARTOON
>>151097772Do both faggot
>>151092804does the guy in the twatter screencap have a point for once?
>>151092804God, I despise Xitter. The way people talk, the images they post, the air of schizophrenia, transsexualism, Redditism, the whole package. It unsettles me to my bones and wish all these people would just drop dead tomorrow.
>>151095319We already complain about new shows sucking.
>>151094764we went from twitter artists complaining about their art being stolen by ai prompts to ai artists complaining about their ai prompts getting stolenfellas, we have come full circle
>>151098060I'm sure there's a way to take this further
>>151092874>animation is "cinema" when it's LE SAD and LE REDDIT TIER DARK HUMOR Are you fucking kidding me!? Don't get me wrong, im not those fucking retards that suck the dick of reddit dogshit movies like Puss in Boots 2 and Spiderverse 2 just because they had LE PANIC ATTACK moment but im not going to give fuxking dogshit like memior of a snail, or mad god a pass just because it has some "dark subject matter". Those movies suck dogs dick! In cinema, we would call them "pretentious dogshit" but for some reason, hypocritical retards like to suck their dick because "LE EVIL CORPORATION" made a decent film that they dont like while unironically defending pieces of fucking shit companies like Viacom and the Wienstien company, go fuck yourself!
>>151093022>unironically posts a photo of a woman that get 10k an hour for showing her flat ass on camera while playing mediocre gamesSmart idea, retard!
>>151098563Whats wrong anon, jealous you can't do the same thing?
>>151098573Damn nigga you're jealous you can't draw tranny cal arts slop? That's a wild thing to be mad about but you do you.
>>151098573If the ass was fat, I would understand. But she's bland as a bowl of cornflakes. Feel bad about her getting abused tho, her ex bf looks like a Jewish homosexual.
>>151095971Blue collar works are a myth. Most of the people in USA no longer works on traditional blue collar works. Today blue collar works include retail, hospitality, delivery and suchs. And even then, those are not the majority of the work force.
>>151098651sometimes i wish i could get into blue collar work but i'm small and weak af and there's no way i'd last
>>151092804Oh no literally who on xitter dot com said that?? What a tragedy and also fucking kill yourself
>>151092804>people are animating entire episodes for $2>indie showrunners are able to do this more than a handful of timesGod damn, hollywood freaks are overpaid.
>>151097720>Art doesn't count as a job>Doesn't blow artists out of the water by posting free animations on Youtube despite complaining about their cultural foothold 24/7Hmmmmmmmmmmm
The only people who dont want to see indy animation flourish are (((nepo cronies))) because they need waves of fresh grads to do the grunt work. If you are talented just make your own shit. Simple as, cut out the corpo bloat.
>>151092804Animation is shunned unless it's shit from Hololive.And after the initial upload of the 1st day, the video "viewgain" dies by the algorithm's almighty hand.This video was made 2 weeks after the whole Hasan Collargate exploded and YT just raped it into the ground, but Turkey Toms video who got made 2 days before got all the views.https://youtu.be/nozw_pqgX6A?si=zYP4iFL3VhrUTL_vAnyone's hope to make it without becoming a parasitic algorithm chaser leftist commie propagandist died when Susan Cuntshitsky became the CEO and suck dick for the chinks and now the Sjw's she left working at google are doing the same to the jeets.
>>151092874Mad God was a piece of shit.
>>151092804>>151093106Olan deserves an a-log, Final Space was one of the most insufferable overrated pieces of shit I've ever witnessed, the fact that he became a sort of de facto face of indie animation really shows how creatively bankrupt the west is. It's not that indie animation is hard to get into, the simple fact is these people don't have good ideas and cannot for the fucking life of them just accept that. People point at that Pibby guy like his situation is uniquely embarrassing when the truth is that's what all these guys are like. Creative dead ends who desperately want to be the next pendleton ward or rebecca sugar without having even a fraction of the creative spark those two had. The ice cold hard truth is this: Most people's "million dollar ideas" fucking suck and no one ends up caring in the end, point blank period. Just look at /hyw/ most of them will never ever make it not because they're bad at drawing despite them thinking it's the one and only reason for their lack of success, it's because their ideas and concepts on a foundational level are dull, boring, interesting only to them, and are often so aesthetically embarrassing and uncool, the average person recoils from them after only a few pages.TL;DR most people are untalented, have no taste, and are simply not cut out to be independent artists leading an entire project
>>151101969Why do so many anons here seem so angry all the goddamn time. Not in the funny way either.
>>151101919I want to like that film so badly cause of how much work was put into it and how it took 30 years to make but it just feels like a good example of style over substance, similar case with Thief and the Cobbler
>>151092804Lmao, the lowkey racism from these leftist union hacks. Why don't they ask thr mob for help?
>>151099515haven't blown any artists
>>151092854SAG-AFTRA and the WGA have been notoriously easy to undermine. Need I remind you that the 2023 deal resulted in VAs being thrown under a bus. Then the 2024 strike got completely fucking stomped by the MiHoYo controversy when they tried to pressure a foreign company who literally couldn't sign a deal with them for twitter clout, even when said company already pledged to AI, THEN it leaked from a discord chat that multiple people organizing the strike were well aware of the 'foreign union' laws that a chinese Company like MiHoYo would have to follow.The problem with all of these LA entertainment strikes is that the people at the face of it are always entertainers and celebrities and they can and will overhype it while tooting their own horn for clout. Meanwhile the studios typically have the ability to just wait it out and the economy doesn't take enough of a hit for the government to get involved and negotiate like other industries like cargo. Therefore, the end result is almost always seen as a fucking joke
>>151095971I'VE BEEN DOWN IN THE MINES FOR 42 HOURS.
>>151092804For me it seems as though the industry as a whole, indie aswell as professional, are in their own respective limbos atm. Indie is still in its proverbial Wild West phase, at least in terms of how these sprouting studios are conducting their businesses in a space that’s quickly growing to be bigger than ever before and navigating those growing pains on the fly. Meanwhile, the pro industry is absolutely fucked with people who have 20+ years of experiences and worked for every studio under the sun just saying “welp, learn to market yourself as an indie artist or find a new line of work until things are better”. Even fresh art school graduates are starting to say that recruiters are basically con artists asking portfolios purely out of obligation knowing that there’s no work to be had. It’s basically like you’re choosing between low pay/experience with indie or, well, nothing with the pro industry. Really hope things turn out well for both soon.
>>151098532havent seen this asian chick's face in a while
>>151102027If you lie down with dogs, you rise up with fleas.
>Itt scribble-retards screaming about unions and volunteer work while everyone else is arming themselves for the upcoming race war.Well, there'll be more jobs after the culling for sure. Pic unrelated.
>>151093414No it isn't, corpocuck.
>>151097720If you make money, it's a real job idiot
>>151104268>racewarIt’s been 10 years polfag, it’s not happening
>>151092804Can't they just animate porn and get gooner whales to pay the massive sums of money?
>>151092804>volunteer until you get better opportunitythis fucking cycle sucks so muchI've been volunteering since 2023 and I never got paid for any of my workI'm literally a broke ass adult in college and I don't know why I keep working for people who act super kind but insist they can't pay anybody
>>151098573Why do you want an anon who's likely male to do that, gaymo?
>>151104680>>151092804>"natural slaves" aren't re-ACK!
>Cartoon Youtubers told me that "indie animation" is the futureMany Indie animators basically just live off Patreon bucks because putting effort into an animated short will not bring in the YouTube money the same way as someone like Asmongold or Critical shitting out a low-effort video every day about the random drama of the day.Animation takes effort. And inceasingly animators can't even do it on their own. Look at Meatcanyon for example. A lot of people are under the impression he is a single guy that makes all his animations single-handedly when the reality is that he hires multiple people to get the animations done. But this is after years of making himself an established artist and cultivating an audience willing to fund his Patreon.
>>151103548
Oh boy it's a Twitter screenshot where anon regurgitates some opinion that he got from some grifter rather than having an original thought in his head kinda thread.
>>151092804I mean it's something to consider.The problem is that people have been sold the dream that they can make full seasons of TV quality animation on YouTube. But that has a one in a million chance of working out. People need to experiment more with short formats like they used to on the old youtube/newground days. Stuff that you can realistically make by yourself or with a small team. You can go a long way with 3 minute shorts. Limited animation but with interesting visuals.A lot of animators will rightfully complain about shitty practices used by big studios and the industry alike. But then will instantly turn and do the same when it's their turn to take those roles. Because you can't have two seasons of Helluva Boss free on youtube without paying your animators like shit. That's the sad truth.
