"It does not take many words to speak the truth." - Chief JohnsonZack Snyder's 'Man of Steel' trilogy is superior to James Gunn's "Superman" in every imaginable sense of the word. I will lay this out in four simple points, discounting what has been said already:1. The 'Man of Steel' trilogy is illuminating, while James Gunn's "Superman" is goyim-perpetuating.2. The 'Man of Steel' trilogy is a critique of established religion from a Hellenistic lens - transposed with a critique of secularism, of consumerism, of modern politics, of both isolationism and globalism; "Superman" is a presentist joke, in the end – criticizing nothing, and agreeing with everything.3. The 'Man of Steel' trilogy has a distinct visual style, to which its themes are deftly woven, while "Superman" is tonally dissimilar from its visual elements (which are used for thematically-lacking visual glitter).4. And, finally: truth, quality, and sanctity will last – even in the depths of culture, and beyond all despots and admonishments. It will last, even in the recesses of that which wishes to kill it. It can be mimicked, mocked, and devalued. And yet, truth sustains.
>pure silencePathetic and cowardly opposition on /co/, as well, I see.
This silence cannot stop me. I will return every twelve hours until someone either cracks, or bests me.
>>151105769>>151105921Go to sleep Samir
>>151105966It's 12 in the afternoon, anon. If you think this level of discourse will stop me, it shan't.
keep fighting the good fight, my fellow snyderchadgrettings from uttar pradesh
>>151106013This isn't going to silence me, friend.
>>151105994>>151106013Sure thing, OPAlso changing your phone IP doesn't make you different people
>>151106044I'm posting from an Arch Linux device in Bangladesh
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>>151105769>The 'Man of Steel' trilogy is a critique of established religion from a Hellenistic lensHow? Please be free to explain it.
>>151106213I already did, anon. And when all is said and done it will be in the archive, for others to see as well.
>>151105769their both shit. the same as empty calories are to food or mental illness is to maga republicanism.
>>151106401Fantastic grammar and adherence to trivium.
What a lameduck bunch of replies
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I am satisfied.
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I thought his version of JL was better than anything else he did with that IP. I would've liked to have seen the post credit scene play out
>>151107335No one will ever take you seriously until you can stop resorting to accusing every intellectual opponent you have of delusion.>>151107424Agreed, anon. It's a shame.
>>151107424>>151107609
>>151107621Still too scared to make an argument.
>man of steel trilogy>actual just a string of movies that happen to have Superman in themAre Snyder fags really stretching this far now? All these big words and yet they all still suck. Saging this thread because you don't deserve the bump
>>151107808I can tell your're a turd worlder, because American schools teach even small children the basics of plot structure, inference, and continuity.
>>151105769>t.
>>151107916Kek. That one's always funny to see desut. OP
>>151107891The hell does that have to do with what I said? Are you a bot or something?
>>151107972No, I just do my best to know what I discuss before I speak on certain subject matter. My reply should have enlightened you to your lack of intellectual depth... Alas, thy nature has to be of the second language.
>>151107989t. sniffs his own farts
>>151107999Nice trips. I appreciate when protohominids get some recognition.
>>151107989Do you think there's a Batman trilogy of Batman V Superman, Justice League, and the Flash movie?
>>151108009Yes. That's how continuity is assessed properly, my friend. The only difference is it's probably not sold in a collection, like picrel.
>>151108025That doesn't make it a proper trilogy, though. Maybe to some weird fan it is, but proper trilogies aren't based on just continuity and cameos. Back to the Future is a trilogy because the stories all feed directly into each other with the same characters involved in all movies. The DCEU movies are too disconnected to be a proper trilogy, as the only character that happens to be in all movies is Superman. Even if Batman was introduced in Man of Steel, the two movies are two separate movies, with the events of Man of Steel barely making any impact on Batman v Superman. Like the events of that movie only affect the plot so Batman has motivation to beat up Superman, otherwise wtf do the two have to do with each other? I would accept a duology of Batman V Superman and Justice League, but to call it "the Man of Steel trilogy" just makes you sound like a basement dweller. Also, sage again you fucking nerd
>>151108093I understand why you feel this way, but you are simply denying the inoffensive reality. The three films directly flow with one another, and a trilogy simply means any collection of three related works of art. No amount of sophistry can be woven to deny these simple truths.
>>151108118Why do you talk like you're a thesaurus?
>>151108135Why should it offend you to be confronted with higher concepts, in a kindly manner?
>>151108145Because you sound insane and entitled, I can see why you're a Snyder fan
>>151108172Knowing more words than you is enough to classify for insanity? You better hope I don't go to court, friend. I'll source you as a key witness.
Despite all this, I do enjoy Gunn's Superman. It's great, but it's not enough.
>>151108277And I mean that. I sincerely love it. I don't want to be misconstrued. It's important, however, for me to defend good faith and honesty over a misguided attempt to mislead my heart and mind. I even prefer Corenswet to Henry, as an actor. Maybe not as a man.
>>151108186I mean, it really is because what you're saying honestly doesn't make much sense. It's like that scene in The Simpsons, with the gourmand metamorphizing into the voluptuous.
>>151108362Interesting allegory, but I don't see the relation. I'm gluttonous on my own implications? It is sad that they are evident in the manifestation, then. For that reason, you too must be insane - you must live in the same apparent delusions of depth you accuse me of projecting, and deny them incessantly. Is it not the definition of insanity: tenacious repetition of cycles, yet always expecting a new outcome? Or are you insinuating my cup runneth over with gluttonous opportunity? To that end, then, I should be thankful! Praise be!
>>151105769Gunn's Superman is shit and I'm tired of all the Marvel & Reeve drones pretending it's not. I'm also tired of the fact that anytime you point out all the positive things Snyder did and how WB interference ruined a lot of what he was doing, /co/ faggots crawl out of the woodwork to call you a pajeet. And even if you point to the exact comics Snyder was using as inspiration, you still get "well.. uh.. not muh supahman" shit.
>>151108462Worry not, for no amount of oppression and insincerity can hide the smallest glimmers of the genuine Divine.
>>151105769It's shit & full of itself. Just like all of Snyder's filmography.
>>151108477They also act like the Reeve films are the pinnacle of Superman on the big screen, yet when you go back and watch Superman I & II (because it's definitely not III or IV), they're really not that good.
>>151108497You have deep a niggativity to purge from thine spirit.
>>151105769That's not an argument, those are assertionsSnyder retards not failing every level of comprehension challenge IMPOSSIBLE
>>151108502I must disagree with that specific notion, on principle. I will not explain myself, for I respect the manner in which you have expressed this sentiment. You have a beautiful day, brother.
>>151105769This is written an awful lot like that Dragon Ball OP from last night.
>>151108554Kek.... Post it, anon. I wanna see how similar my OP is to this.
>>151108517And that's quite alright, anon. I don't expect us to agree on every point, so it's nice seeing someone while being amicable about it. Also, another thought happened to cross my mind: Gunn's Superman is clearly for the "Reeve" audience and they absolutely loved it, despite it being an awful film all around. But on the same foot, Singer's Superman literally is an extension of the Reeve films and nobody likes it. Strange, isn't it?
>>151105769I think you’re overthinking it, he just filmed it that way because he thought it was cool.
>>151108661I believe that lies more in execution, and the specific impetus driving those two men. Singer was like a proto-Snyder, but lacking in prowess of skill or philosophie. Gunn is like a post-modern and extremely arrogant approximation of both Reeve and Snyder. Both of them clearly cared, but lacked in the significant ways which lended to Donner's novelty and sentimentalism or toward Snyder's lamenting contemplation. Vis-a-vis, they are impotent.
>>151108574https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/151095069
>>151108696Sure. That's why he likes Kabbalism and Excalibur so much, or the Hindu and Greek myths. He's just a Blue Lodger who likes pretty colors. The De Chirico style for example was just because the Yin Yang looked fancy to him.
>>151108714HAHAHAHHA well I did post this same thread on /tv/ last night. He could have copied it, or it could be a nice aligning of events. Thanks, anon. The interrelation of all things is evident in all things.
>>151108462>positive things SnyderSuch as?
>saar plz respond to my post>saar respond to me u behcod>saar plz respondThe Snyderwhores and executives will look and say "please respond", and I will look down and whisper "No."
>>151108780Read two posts prior to yours, for a few nice examples.
>>151108721>De ChiricoKek.. Sorry, anons. I meant chiaroscuro, but that works too.
>>151108780Plenty of things, anon. I could list what I think were positives, but I'm sure you'd just retort with the usual jabs that everyone takes at MoS/BvS/ZSJL. Do I think they are perfect films? No, I don't. But do I think they're awful? Not in the slightest.
>>151109077double sevens of sovereignty. checked.
bump :)
>>151105769What really gets me is the Pa Kent scenes. In MoS when Clark asks if he should let someone die to protect his secret, Pa Kent, a man who wants nothing but the best for his son and who couldn't possibly understand what he's going through replies "Maybe". In Superman Legacy Clark asks Pa if he should fulfill his Krypton father's legacy of ruling over Earth and Pa Kent, a man who only wants the best for his son and couldn't possibly understand what he's going to proceeds to give a speech about how "parents aren't meant to tell their kids what to do. They just give the kids tools and let them make fools of themselves on their own."Its the exact same scene but one is severely spelled out for the most retarded lowest common denominator and the other is given brevity and handled with maturity. MoS allows the audience to be uncomfortable. Superman Legacy struggles to give the audience a "satisfying" answer. Say what you want about the "maybe" line but it had people talking. Nobody even remembers the Pa Kent of the Gunn movie despite him literally ripping off the Snyder scene.
>>151108462/tv/ needed the new superman movie to be good. now any criticism of the objectively bad movie has to be shut down and swept up. Pajeet this. Snydershill that. I like the Snyder movies but I can admit he had some shitty ideas and I don't care how bad the new movie is I do NOT want him back on. And yet there can be no nuance. If you don't like Gunn's Slopperman you must like Synderman. Fuck em both but especially fuck the dishonest Gunn shills.
>>151109891This is because Snyder's Johnathan is a man who is trepid; he's scared of what this world would do to someone like his son. Would he become an idol to be worshipped? A subject to be tested on by the government? A man who becomes beholden to the world? Would people hunt him down and try to kill him for being so different? He never wants Clark to show his true powers because he's scared of the what-if scenarios that probably plague him every night when he lays down to sleep... You know, like every parent does with there children, except obviously on a larger scale. And in the end, most of Johnathan's fears due come to pass, but Clark is able to more easily handle this because of his father's upbringing.Gunn's Jonathan is a "hyuck, I'm from Kansas and I say you'll figure it out!" >>151109984Agree. He wasn't the end all, be all. And we truly don't have a full understanding of Snyder's vision or what he actually planned to do in the long run because he never got to do what he wanted. His Superman trilogy/quadrilogy got meddled with and he got forced to do BvS & JL because the execs were worried about Marvel films.
Why are you just replying to yourself?
>>151110034>Agree. He wasn't the end all, be all. And we truly don't have a full understanding of Snyder's vision or what he actually planned to do in the long run because he never got to do what he wanted. His Superman trilogy/quadrilogy got meddled with and he got forced to do BvS & JL because the execs were worried about Marvel films.I mean we know some things and he basically wanted DC to be a superhero version of King Arthur's Round Table with some inspiration fron Greek mythology, where Batman is Lancelot and cucks Superman. That shit is not something I'm down for. And WB rightfully shut it down.
>>151110168Eh. Wasn't that big of a deal when Bruce Timm did it.
>>151110168I liked the kickass Tree of Life he made to market his cut of JL, thoughbeit. Now that was a thing fierce from heaven. You can hardly even find that image anymore, too. Probably because nobody shares it, because most people hate Snyder and it would be incredibly inconvenient to acknowledge he is a man of the cloth.
>>151110168>>151110315Found it
>>151110371Interesting. I really wish we had gotten the Snyder version of Wonder Woman. I don't hate the shipping of Duana and Bruce but that image of her with the severed heads and the line in BvS"i've fought monsters like this before"She had some shit going on but when Patty Jenkins took over she ignored it all.
>>151110421He did kind of shadow direct the first Wonder Woman, but I concur: ol' Patty was lost in her own sauce there. The studio also meddled heavily with the third act (so much so, Snyder had to fight them over his ability bring back the original Area actor in Justice League).
>>151110558>AreaAres*
>>151106138>>151106695>>151106839>>151107077>>151109695
I LOVE ZACK SNYDER RAAAAAAAA!!!!
>>151110371It’s neat but it looks like something you would see in a cult
>>151111065Kabbalism isn't a cult. It's an individual order of self-growth.
>>151110558WW was an enjoyable romp until that 3rd act. And now we do indeed know that the reason the 3rd act is the way it is and collapses the whole film was indeed to WB execs meddling.
>>151111317Indubitably
Der Übermensch wird bald den Mantel übernehmen...
>>151110061no one wanted to argue with a pajeet copypasting from ChatGPT, so he just started having both sides of the conversation himself
>be charisma-sink manlet with no hair>still mog every other actor who played the character
Nice. Picrel just dropped today. I wonder if Snyder is watching... If you are, you're cool, man. I hope you get that Netflix deal locked.
le pompadour
>>151111765So is Snyder purposefully whipping up his DCEU cult again now that Rebel Moon is officially dead?
>>151105769Y’know you have all these other directors who were able to move on from their failed superhero movies and not make their entire career about it. Joel Schumacher, Ang Lee, Bryan Singer, Mark Steven Johnson, Andy Muschetti. And Joel Schumacher was legitimately screwed, he made a movie that -actually- got cut up by the studio into something different that fans mocked for -decades- and he literally never bitched. Ang Lee went on to win an Oscar not long after Hulk bombed. Bryan Singer just went back to X-Men. Why can’t Zack Snyder move on?
>>151112386because it turns out he's actually just a bad filmmaker whose entire career has been propped up by his wife
I STILL LOVE ZACK SNYDER RAAAAAA
>>151105769bruh I just like Cavill as Superman and Snyder's style more than Gunn's
>>151111692That's what I was wondering. The way he texts make it seemed like someone who wants to appear intelligent writing English. That he has a Grammarly account and is running all of his Google translated text through before posting
>>151105769>one million times better>two million times more fun>three times as profitable>not a wannabe-grimdark gray supermanonly thing MoS has going for it is Cavil looked the most like Supermani'd rather watch BvS than MoS, which is probably the most damning thing I can say about DCEU
>>151105769>TrilogyLol wut?
>>151107972Seems like a bot
>>151105769>>151108750Are you the same faggot who did the "Supes should be Goku" thread?
>>151108462>t. Pajeet
>>151106306What is criticizing about the religion? In which form uses those Hellenistic lens?
>>151108845Piss off you ESL mutt
>>151112229>Rebel Moon is officially deadWasn't supposed to be like 6 movies and director cuts editions and what not?
>>151105769So we have this Superman now?
>>151105769Based sneedetard
ChatGPT thread.Please all of you jump off a bridge
>>151105769SuperDuper Superman.
>>151114998Not anymore
>>151105769Goddammit OP I know this is just chatGPT shit but I am so goddamn sick of this shit. Here's the thing. The "Man of Steel" trilogy was WB literally just tripping over themselves. WB had attempted a 'shared universe' with Green Lantern but since it bombed they scrapped those plans. With Superman WB wasn't really sure what they wanted to do with him, they were waffling on whether to have Singer do a sequel to Returns or just reboot...however during this time the Shutter estate brought a lawsuit against WB for misuse of the Superman brand and if WB didn't get cameras rolling on a new Superman movie before a certain date they'd owe the Shusters a fuck ton of money. So in desperation they were taking pitches from everyone. Nolan and Goyer came up with a 'first contact' pitch during writer's block for the next Batman movie. Dark Knight was hugely successful so they went with Nolan's pitch but he didn't want to direct. So they asked just about every director in Hollywood who said 'this is just a rough draft script I need a few passes at the script first' to which WB replied 'we don't have that sort of time we need to shoot now'. Snyder was the only director to go 'I'll shoot the script as is'. All these things that the Snydercult does mental gymnastics to justify were literally things that any other director would've went 'this is just an idea placeholder we need to change it'. Snyder was just a hired on director for Man of Steel, the only real contribution he brought to the movie was Superman killing Zod, which everyone hated. There was ZERO intention for Man of Steel to launch any sort of 'shared universe'. But between cameras rolling on Man of Steel and its release Avengers came out and BTFO box offices which shocked the shit out of everyone. Man of Steel came out to a tepid reception and an historic second weekend box office drop and WB was panicking when Snyder said 'let me put Batman in the sequel' which WB was like 'oh hell yeah let's do that'.
>>151118741So Snyder wants Affleck to be Batman because he wants to do a Dark Knight Returns adaption, the fact this being the first time Batman and Superman meet and DKR relies on the history between the two be damned, but Affleck wants his buddy Terrio to rewrite the script. Snyder hands in his cut of the movie, now called Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice, which is goddamn near 4 hours long. WB can't put the movie out at that length so they cut out superfluous stuff and release it with about a 2 and a half hour long cut. Despite the fact Man of Steel wasn't very well received and Batman v Superman was turning into a bit of a mess, WB was terrified of missing out on the superhero zeitgeist that Marvel started and let Snyder shoot just about all of Batman v Superman's follow up, Justice League, before BvS even releases, taking a pretty goddamn big gamble. BvS releases to a whopping 13% on Rotten Tomatoes and word of mouth drops the second weekend box office like a stone, almost 70%. WB freaks out because they now have an almost completed sequel to a movie nobody liked. WB tries to work with Snyder to get a cut of Justice League that everyone's happy with but eventually Snyder drops out and WB brings in Joss Whedon to try and salvage the dumpster fire they are now stuck with.>tl;drLiterally EVERYTHING about the 'Man of Steel' trilogy was an accident, there's no deeper meaning beyond what you, the viewer, have decided is there. The black army guy was never meant to be Martian Manhunter. Aquaman didn't save Clark after the oil rig. There was no greater plan. There is no deeper meaning. Snyder was literally just pulling shit out of his ass after people asked him. Please. Let it go.
>>151118865forgot my pic
>>151105769lmao
