DC really doesn't give a shit about Wonder Woman lmao
Honestly the clay shit is the only thing that makes Wonder Woman somewhat interesting
>>151106058The wonder woman movie made a lot of money and absolute wonder woman is a top seller, wonder woman has always had strong merch sales too, they definitely care about wonder woman
>>151106072It is really important to Wonder Woman fans that she not have a dad.
>>151106083>wonder woman has always had strong merch sales toohas she?
>>151106083What's her All-Star superman or The Dark Night then?
>>151106072No it’s not. Oh wow she’s a clay baby, who gives a shit.
>>151106058DC doesn't give a shit about anything not named Batman and to be fair they barely give a shit about him either nowadays.
>>151106083>The wonder woman movie made a lot of moneyHow bout the sequel?>>151106162>DC doesn't give a shit about anything not named BatmanFor good reason.
>>151106133Yes. Bitch sells lady’s ts.
>>151106232selling clothes to women? well damn
>>151106058No shit
>>151106058He definitely posts here doesn’t he. It’s nice how involved he is in the community. Hes actually part of our autistic conversations, I’ll give him credit for that
>>151107809Would be even nicer if he made better movies
>>151106155Better than yet another bastard child of Zeus
>>151106058>Superman real parents are evil>they will use the Zeus's daughter origin (of course he will be evil)>they are going to make the Waynes evil freemasons It's so tiresome
>>151109372I don’t even hate Gunn but he has a weird obsession with “found family” stuff
>>151109708Well, it's not his fault that people keep buying that shit. For 40 years people shat on Byrne for his take on Krypton and making Pa and Ma Kent the "real" parents of Superman. Now everyone praises Gunn for the same thing.
>>151106058do ys think Sabrina carpenter’s recent performance might be able to change the itide?
>>151106083>top seller>WW 84 bombed
>>151110162>chooses to cosplay as WW instead of SupergirlSupergirlsisters... it's not looking good
>>151106469> it doesn't take many words to speak the truth> proceeds to write a bunch of words and can't make argument without jew-postingsnyderfags have never been more the btfo but they keep going
>>151110245oh, let the celeb have their pick, there's gonna be a supergirl movie anyway
>>151106091Unironically yes. Making her She-Hercules is retarded.One of the things Marston set out to do was take that "woman made of clay/stone brought to life ruins things for humans" story archetype and redeem it by having the woman be a hero.>>151106144The Perez Run. "Gods and Monsters" if you want to zoom in on a single thing.
>>151111149>The Perez Run. "Gods and Monsters"Nowhere near as good.
>>151106058Wonder Woman was made from clay for the majority of her existenceI don't understand how that has anything to do with "when they first came upon the stories". It's literally just her origin
>>151106058Sad!
>>151109372Zeus is a piece of shit in greek mythos lol gods were a way to explain all the shit that happened with no explanation.
>>151106155me
>>151109708Well, its not like that isn't an element of this corner of the genre, what with Superman being the last Son of a fallen Planet who's made Earth his home, or Batman being an Orphan who mentors other orphans, hecl Diana's had itntoo with the Kapetellis' for a while, and Wally was all about the Found Family in the Eighties thanks to his connection to his Aunt.
>>151114903>or Batman being an Orphan who mentors other orphaThat's probably why he was so interested on making a Batfamily movie (why a Damian movie instead of Dick is another question).Still, I think the real problem is not the "found family" trope itself but repeating the same "real parents bad, adopted family good" story. Making the Els evil was unnecessary, and unironically hurts the "Superman is an immigration allegory" he was trying to oush
>>151115155push**
>>151106083Wonder Woman made money mostly because people wanted to like it and because of name recognition. But that trick only works once.
>>151106058They probably should seeing as she's their second best selling comic right now.
>>151106058They’ve never forgiven her for WW84 flopping despite how they chose to release it in COVID season. Though it was embarrassing how they used Death Metal to try and promote it.
>>151106058Shame
>>151106058Who does?
>>151106058And why should they? Wonder Woman sucks. She's the awkwardly placed third wheel in the DC power trio.
>>151106058Poor Wondy...
>>151110162No. Wonder Woman is a mascot, not a character people actually care about.
>>151114903Jor el being a jerk (at least by earth standards) was unnecessary
>>151106083These things all happened in spite of DC, not because of them.WB really didn't promote the Wonder Woman movie, and waited until 2017 to make one.Absolute Wonder Woman is a best seller, but that just showcases how isolating Dianna to just her title book since the 40s has been a mistake.I mean she hasn't had one animated show, and those are hugely important for the popularity of any comic book character, when Batman has had like a dozen, Superman has had over 4, fucking Aquaman has had 2, and Green Lantern will be getting a second ever animated series shortly.
>>151106144Her best runs are George Perez's post crisis one, the current Absolute Wonder Woman book, and actually her original run with William Moulton Marston.Unlike Batman and Superman, Wonder Woman doesn't tend to get special extra out-of-continuity books. Which is where all of the most famous Batman and Superman stories come from.
>>151106205>How bout the sequel?Well that movie was terrible, released directly to streaming, and came out during COVID.Frankly it's impressive it made the 150million it did.
>>151106091guilt and shaming tactics to excuse the new origins ideological shift away from the original premise of the character under the guise of sophistication. >ughh youre just fan FLANDERIZING!!>ugggghhh you just HATE FATHERSShut the fuck up holy shit.
>>151110180>released during the height of the pandemic>put on streaming at the same time as it's theatrical debut>was a terrible movie>Still made 150milNot the blow you think it is.
>>151112692Wasn't the only time Wonder Woman wasn't born from clay the New 52?It was the same as John Byrne insisting that Superman's spaceship was actually an artificial womb so he could have been 'born' in America. It was a dumb change quickly ignored.
>>151117899Wonder Woman still has a fanbase. It's not the largest since she has been ignored so much by DC and WB.Superman wouldn't have been nearly as popular if he only had one tv, no cartoons, and didn't get a movie until the late 2010s.Batman was at risk of being cancelled before his 1960s tv show. And even afterwards it wasn't until the Tim Burton movie and the animated series that 'Batmania' went into full effect and he became more popular than Superman.Any character who isn't promoted is naturally not going to be particularly popular.
>>151106058I don't like this line of reasoning. Honestly this is what people who don't care about continuity, iconic elements and the work of others before them do. If you don't care about that don't write comics or do media work about them because those elements are central to comics. Continuity, the idea of a continuous story being told, is central to comics. I totally understand that retconning and "big changes" are also a major part of comics, but that is because it is HARD to write the same comic for 100+ years. If you're doing a movie or TV show you have don't have that problem. You can tell a distilled version of the character because you are not going to tell 100+ years of stories. Gunn's comments are copouts. Things people who "have an idea" use to get around not having faith in their story telling. They use a character's brand to get an iteration of a story they are actually interested in across. A bait and switch. You came for a Batman story but I like Punisher. Or you came for Superman but I like GoG. And that goes right to Gunn. He uses it as an explanation why it seems he can only tell one fucking story over and over. The last time Gunn tried anything original in comic movies was Brightburn. Since then he has made GoG 6-7 times over. He became head of DCMU because of that. It's lazy. It's worse when you're supposed to be the mastermind to a whole universe. There is a core version of a character and everything else is a "take" off that character because of that. There is room for nuance, for adding details, for exploring an element more deeply. But too often creators just want to do something "big and shocking" and completely change the character, moving them so far from their core that they arent the character anymore. That isnt good storytelling.
>>151118420no they used the new 52 origin for the movie as well Gunn is basically seething that people dont like it because he presumably wants to do it in the new iteration for his universe too. Not sure why you are ignoring this reality to insist its a "dumb change quickly ignored" when that is not true. But I appreciate you admitting its a dumb change so we can agree on that.
>>151118420DC rebirth has not retconned the zeus origin its still canon.
>>151118420>It was the same as John Byrne insisting that Superman's spaceship was actually an artificial womb so he could have been 'born' in America. It was a dumb change quickly ignored.Quickly is relative, that was DC canon until Waid's Birthright in 2003, 17 years.
>>151106058He should have said “Wonder Woman being the child of Zeus” as his example here.
>>151118555It's don't think it's him who's really obsessed with GotG but WB, those movies are living rent free in their heads, that's why they made the two Suicide Squad movies, Shazam and hired Gunn to manage the Universe.>The last time Gunn tried anything original in comic movies was Brightburn.And that movie was released in the peak of "What if Superman..but EVIL?". I would say his most original and sincere comic movie outside of the GotG trilogy is Super
>>151119150>It's don't think it's him who's really obsessed with GotG but WB, those movies are living rent free in their heads, that's why they made the two Suicide Squad movies, Shazam and hired Gunn to manage the Universe.I can agree, but given that Gunn keeps chasing the same project and does the same shit no matter the character or project, it's him too. Look at Peacemaker and his sad cope of trying to get Deadpool into another show built around "quirky humor" and a "soundtrack". He just does this over and over. I get the cash grab, but the fact he doesn't try anything different when he's running everything is really telling. He's either scared or one dimensional. Maybe both. > SuperEven this was a meme no? Like you said "EVIL Superman". He was doing The Office meets superheros. A wanna be Watchmen deconstruction with wackiness again. I don't hate Gunn, but I think he is niche and good for certain projects which he openly advertises for. He should not be your creative lead or the creative head for an entire division. He isn't creative enough or that good a storyteller. He actively does not understand source material. Instead he filters it all through his soundtrack and wackiness filter.
>>151106058Wonder woman is just a feminist icon and feminism popularity is actually on decline after decades of anti-male propaganda, even young women are catching on that feminism is a witch cult to sabotage younger women
>>151118708It wasn’t changed quick but it sure went largely ignored.
>>151106058This coming from the guy who couldn't accept Scooby-Doo has relatives.
>>151119781The details of his conception aren't relevant at all beyond the actual origin story, not something that would naturally come up.
>>151106058comparing her origin to a yellow oval on batman's chest is crazy lmao
>>151106058Nobody really does. Nobody. She's the mother of all token characters. She's not cool, she's not interesting, she's not well-written and she's not fucking good. All she is is just a token female character and fodder for fetishizing and porn. The real DC Trinity should be Batman, Superman and The Flash. End of story.
>>151120513Wonder Woman is awesome, you just never read her.>The real trinity should be with the Flashare you retarded?The Flash's current comic is beneath fucking Aquaman.The Green Lanterns are way more importantWonder Woman will always be a bigger deal than Barry Allen or Wally West
>>151119745Wonder Woman is at her best when the feminism is kept to just the implicit nature of showcasing a powerful and cool woman.The more direct and overt it is, the lamer it is typically.
>>151120598Flash has historically been a bigger deal & more likable of a character than Wonder Woman in her entire history.
>>151118671It's explicitly noncanon now.
>>151118671Really?But didn't Dark Night Metal essentially bring back pre crisis continuity?>>151118604She was the daughter of Zeus in the movie? I didn't remember that.That's lame.It's a far less interesting origin story.It also really forces her into specifically the Greek mythology shit, which isn't always her strong suit
>>151120641>Flash has historically been a bigger deal No, never. I mean first off, the Flash was cancelled during the 50s. Wonder Woman is, along with Batman and Superman, one of the only golden age heroes to not be cancelled during the decline of superhero books in the late 40s-50s.Wonder Woman has always been a bigger name, with more merch and attention.I mean the Flash didn't get a show until the 2010s and didn't have a movie until Wonder Woman had two already.>& more likable of a characterI suppose?You definitely seem like a person who has only watched the Justice League show and has never read a comic.
>>151119504WB hired him because he's the wacky soundtrack guy. Whedon was a better option but well.>Look at Peacemaker and his sad cope of trying to get Deadpool into another show built around "quirky humor" and a "soundtrack"Peacemaker is actually more inspired by Super than anything else. It's the sequel he always wanted to make.>He was doing The Office meets superheros. A wanna be Watchmen deconstruction with wackiness againYeah, but it was his baby, and you can tell it makes him seethe it didn't became the franchise he hoped.>I don't hate Gunn, but I think he is niche and good for certain projects which he openly advertises forAgree, part of what made the GotG movies so good was how distinct to the rest of the MCU they were
>>151120598She is not. Nobody reads Wonder Woman. Nobody. No, The Flash is the most important character in DC after the big two. You are a certifiable insane loser. Shut the fuck up when you don't know shit.>>151120716Stop. Stop embarrassing yourself with this insanity. Shut the fuck up right now.
Nobody gives a shit about Wonder Woman, they at most give a shit about THE FIRST/BIGGEST/MOST PROMINENT FEMALE SUPERHERO. They never moved beyond championing her for being a woman to actually making her be something.
>>151120716Pre-Crisis Wonder Woman was cancelled in November 1985 and didn't get rebooted until October 1986, nearly a whole year without any Wonder Woman comics. They never stopped doing Superman and Batman.>the Flash didn't get a show until the 2010s1990 actually, though Wonder Woman had one first in the 70s that lasted two seasons to his one.
if you ask any wonder woman “fan” why she’s important or deserves to be cared about, all they can muster up is >”she’s the most popular woman comic character!” >”she’s iconic!”but never anything that actually makes sense as to why she should be cared about. anyone who says they care about wonder woman is lying. absolute wonder woman is only interesting because it takes the boring sword and shield strong woman and makes her use magic and interact with the myths and legends she’s supposedly apart of.
>>151120716>I mean the Flash didn't get a show until the 2010sHow young are you? It's amazing to me a generation raised with Google as a pacifier can always be so wrong and know so little about shit they think they know everything about.
>>151121446Didn't they publish a miniseries during this gap?
>>151122351Oh right they did do The Legend of Wonder Woman for four issues. All they could spare.
