I know you're going to call me crazy but fuck it, it's been 10 years and I miss the insanity of kit n kay boodle. RIP Richard Katellis.
>it didn't happen>none of it happened>the mom wasn't real>the wife wasn't real>none of the friends in crossovers were real>all the comics were written by one man pretending to be multiple people and he died aloneThe world is hard and cold.
>>151110726I still cant believe that happened. Even now some furries deny it.
>>151110726Alright, gimme the rundown. What happened?
>>151111005It’s roughly what it sounds like. A prominent furry comic artist maintained several alternate online identities as separate comic artists as well as loved ones and collaborators of those artists. Then he died, at the relatively young age of 59.
>>151111162I want to go with something as insane as this.
>>151111005TL;DR: One guy pretended to be at 5 different people online. All with friendship circles within the furry "community" online, and at least 2 artistic personas with webcomics.We don't even know what his real name was.
>>151111005What above said here is more detail https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/13jqytk/furry_fandomwebcomics_a_followup_to_a_twoyearold/While kit n kay ran it was infamous on /co/ for insane plot like talking boobies and stopping facism with rape but also the supposedly autobio comics about the author's life where he and his wife fucked her mom
>>151110699What’s the context for op panel specifically?
>>151111823The author's mother in law remembering masturbating to him and the wifey fucking. But then they all banged together. This was presented as something that happened in real life.
>>151111757There were 3 webcomics, actually. "Gene Catlow" was your standard furry fursecution comic with furries that did office work and also had magical powers."Kit n Kay Kaboodle" was a very weird WarnerBros looking comic about fucking to defeat fascism. And then the supposedly autobiographical comic.
>>151111858The mouse wife had a time travel one too I think. And there was a 3d one.
>>151111870The guy sure was industrious. One part of me wishes that maybe he finally got the right mental health to quit and is still alive.
>>151111908Yeah I admire the amount of work he was able to do. And hey it was pretty entertaining!
>Jack>My Life with Fel>FajitaThere's so many webcomics with clearly unstable or deeply repressed weirdoes at the helm that it's pretty much expected for the webcomic to crash and burn. >The ones that don't explode into a fireball of psychosis are the outliers
>>151111851you see, this is why furries deserve no rights.
>>151112091They didn't actually fuck. None of the people in the comic existed.
>>151112027Ah if only the creator wasn't a pedophile. Flcl art with high speed violence and a splash of late2000's invader zim styled mall goth.
>>151111851This is that dystopian furry comic with spiritual stuff and mutants, right?
>>151111162>>151111461So he basically made accounts for all these people, and commented on and faved their work of the account he made? And of course made artwork for all of them too? That's insane! How did no one catch the style matching of the artwork?Was he even actually a black man?
>>151112161That sounds more like endtown.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Victory Fire>died January 2019>made entirely in MS paint>well made crossover between mainline and spinoff games that doubled as a narrative sequel to the early PMD games>creator had to drop it because her home country stopped her disability checks and she had to scramble to figure out new living arrangementsI still miss it
>>151112226Oh wait, this isn't Endtown?
>>151112267No sorry as far as I know endtown author isn't dead.
>>151112027>>My Life with FelHuh? That one got a proper conclusion and the artist just draws smut of the characters now.
>>151110699There's a strong possibility that the creator is dead, but his work lives on in my memory.
>>151112107you know what anon, I don't care. Nuke all the furries in their little furry towns.
>>151112027My Life with Fel is just a self-insert fantasy of a guy getting to fuck a furry that gradually sees the art go from mediocre to great. Putting it on the same list as Jack and Fajita makes no sense.
>>151112474Are you ready for all of the IT industries to collapse?
>>151112543The world will be a better place anon
>>151112027>My Life with Fel>Had a proper conclusion which made sense with the story>Lives on via the porn comics>Author didn't have some sort of public mental breakdown nor is going out there picking fights over dumb drama>at most he complains about being old and having to deal with bullshit onlineYeah MLWF is an outlier but not on the way you tried to imply there
>>151110699Not sure but wasn't Voihon one of these? Never actually paid attention to it beyond a few threads
I miss Achewood
>>151112210The art style was very similar but at the time furry artwork was much more primitive so a lot of other artists were drawing in similar artstyles.Some of his online furry frienss met "Abert Temple" at a convention, but we don't know if that was even his real name.
>>151112525>>151112723Kenno's literally drawn art of himself getting pegged and is completely up front about all of his fetishes, basically just using his comics as a fantasy escape where he gets to fuck girls and get fucked too, and has them fuck each other. I couldn't think of a less-repressed artist if I tried.
>>151112027>JackAnyone else remember that gay furry comic Vinci & Arty who's titular characters had a crossover with Jack. Anyone know where I can find an archive of it?Come to think of it, Gene Catlow also had a Jack crossover
>>151112858He enjoys himself. Probably.
>>151112984Yeah he seems chill about basically everything, seeing his comic up there with a school shooter type and pedophile seems weird.
>>151112858I mean yeah its weird, but like >>151113011 said putting him up with way weirder stuff is like equating a firecracker to a depth charge.
>>151113041Oh I wasn't saying he was comparable, I was saying comparing him to repressed and clearly deranged artists didn't make much sense. He's just horny as fuck and doesn't give a damn.
>>151112262I remember reading a bunch of mystery dungeon comics on smackjeeves like 10 years ago. I don't think i read that one
>Minus by Ryan Armand>the surreal horror>the childish whimsy>cute watercolor artI was so fascinated by the series when I was younger, minus' limitless abilities and childish morality. I never saw anyone discuss it outside of /co/ much. The artists original website went down, but I guess some fans achieved his work on their own. Which is cool since there was a point in time where I tried to reread it online but there were no online resource to read the full series.
>>151113135I remember a storytime 5 to 10 years ago. I think the OP back then said that 20% to 50% of the pages were lost media.
>>151110699I still sometimes think of God of Destruction. I wonder how it was originally going to go.
>>151113053>Oh I wasn't saying he was comparable, I was saying comparing him to repressed and clearly deranged artists didn't make much sense. He's just horny as fuck and doesn't give a damn.Yeah no I was trying to say like "like anon said comparing him to the other two doesnt really make much sense", I just worded it poorly.
>>151111851>The author's mother in law remembering masturbating to him and the wifey fucking. But then they all banged together. This was presented as something that happened in real life.None of these three people actually existed. They were all alt personas of the actual cartoonist. It was just his fucked up fantasy.
>>151112027I haven't thought about Jack in 20 years. I feel compelled to read it.
>>151112791Voihon is a more recent case compared to the other comics in this thread, so not really in the "long gone" category as of now.
>>151112027>>151114484JACK is actually in it's final arc right now.>>151112904It's weird to think about, but the main reason jack was so infamous back in the day was because it was insanely popular at the time for a furry webcomic. If you read webcomics in the 2000s it was almost inescapable.
Last Blood. Comic about vampires trying to keep one of the last groups of humans alive during zombie apocalypse so they can keep a steady supply of living blood.
>>151111005Nothing happened
>>151111757>stopping facism with rapeexplain
>>151110699For me it's The Intrepid Girlbot. The life and adventures of a little robot girl and her friends. She is unique in a world of adult-designed robots, and her shenanigans lead to her acquiring new and uinuqe friends. Entirely wordless, wonderfully illustrated, whimsical tone, quite compelling IMO. Sadly it seems to have died alongside Hiveworks, though Diana Nock, the author, had gone on hiatus before that. It's a pity, the comic stopped in the middle of an arc investigating the nature and origin of Girlbot's little world, alongside the fate of an adult lady robot she and her friends had damaged and taken in.
>>151114843likely help that the furry angle was just window dressing and didn't over take the story at first.
>>151114843What is this one about and how lewd heavy is it? Im one of the 34 sfw furries worldwide
>>151116741Jack is infamous for being edy and is full of gore and sex and what have you. IIRC one of its more (in)famous installments is two characters being dumped in a serial killer's pit of his victim's corpses.
>>151116760"The Screaming Barrel" is just a weird side story, not part of the webcomic proper. "Musical Holes" was a proper chapter.
>>151116694Holy shit, I can't even remember the last time I thought about this comic. What a throwback.
Here's a comic i've been looking for, forever, and haven't found any trace of it on the internet whatsoever. Read it years ago in highschool.Some of this may not be 100% accurate since my memory is fuzzy but I can say it's probably mostly correct>Occasionally NSFW comic that mainly follows one dude who (had a beard and was a ginger?)>Story starts? with him at a house party on a roof with a cute girl, who he refuses to bang because she's 17>He works at a walmart/walmart type of store>Bangs his manager in the backroom>Beach scene with mud wrestling and the girls go topless>Someone gets eaten out behind a bush at one point>At some point warhammer 40k is referenced?>Comic ends with guy and girl on the roof who finally get together because the girl is 18 nowI wish I could remember more but it's been so long those are the only few things that stick out in my mind
>>151116928Is that the one with gray knockoff Tails?
>>151117436>>151116928I forgot to clarify that the characters in the story are human. OCs and not furry.
>>151117589Sorry I saw >warhammer>eaten behind a bushand assumed furry
>>151110726Lynchian.
>>151112027>Jackis that the one with a pair of girls dropped into a pit full of corpses?
>>151117868See >>151116857The Screaming Barrel isn't part of the actual comic, just canonical rape/snuff porn
>>151113135>>151113156Fuck, really? Does anyone have a link to what's been archived?
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>>151118316>>151116760>>151114843Jesus christ man. I just read the 'screaming barrel' and was dumbfounded at how, at least for a horror concept, novel it was. I'm a big horror fan and i've engaged in a lot of horror media, even the more 'out there' stuff, but i've never seen anything concepted like this. It's convinced me to read the rest of the comic.
Has there been anything as insane as KnKB since?
>>151116395There was a fascist hell hole Kit and Kay went to ruled by a childlike lady who hated sex who was going to have a meeting with some even eviler people and due to magic glasses she started experiencing kit and kay having sex. So she came in front of everyone ruining the meeting.
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>>151118348Here's a current archive https://kiwisbybeat.net/
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>>151119236>>151119272comedy mangaka
>>151119272They also stopped a cosmic evil possessed guy with date rape drugs
>>151119263Neat. What happened to the author, does anyone know?
>>151119318
>>151119325NTA but no. I was one of the guys who may or may not have been present for the storytime anon mentions, I believe it was the author's comic "Great!" following a man trying to make the best ramen in the world. IIRC, the actual author of the comics disappeared basically without a trace at some point, absolutely nobody knows what actually happened to him.
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>>151110699I read Kit n Kay Boodle about 5 years ago when I was still in high school. I didn't hate it
Anyone here still have fond memories of Pictures For Sad Children from before the author went crazy, burned all the physical copies of the comic he got funded from kickstarter, and deleted it off the internet?
>>151119731Oh yeah that was a good one.
>>151112829So we don't even know if the black man under that name existed? Wild stuff honestly.
Would any one here fuck any of the characters from Kit n Kay?
>>151119825No I'm ace so they'd try to 'fix' me. I'd have to book it.
>Got a loose film adaptation with Owen Wilson and Jennifer LopezDefinitely one of the most unexpected things I've seen
>>151119804At this point there's no way to tell where the truth begins
>>151112210Western furry art back around the era he started was pretty samey, so the similarities wouldn't have been so immediately obvious without close scrutiny.
>>151110699...uh...is she...jilling?Goddammit, Albert.
>>151120395Look he had kinks and he decided to compartmentalize them.
>>151120024>aceNo you're not
>>151120499Kit, please.
>>151113135Iirc there was a parody made by the author, where the girl is just straight up evil
>>151112292I hate Tails Gets Trolled knockoffs.
>slice of life comic about dragon friends >rebooted into fantasy action comic>original is lost media
Is this a good way to market your webcomic, anons?https://x.com/SmappysIsland/status/1985374919019176205
>>151121137I cannae see twitter, sorry.
>>151112210Oh no. These weren't sockpuppet accounts or online personas, these were full on fictional people with their own backgrounds, relationships, life circumstances, and, in the case of his 4 (out of at least a dozen) most well-known alts their own webcomics. And he was pretty industrious about updating the comics as well, Gene Catlow was three days a week for 17 years without missing an update. >>151112829Albert Temple is probably his real name as Ryan Dewalt, one of the writers of Vince and Arti and a major figure in the 00s furry fandom, actually managed to track down real family members.
>>151113135the strange thing about Minus is that it was legitimately getting recognized outside of the internet by comic, like an Eisner award. Then he just completely drops off the Earth
>>151119731That assumes that he actually went crazy and didn't fuck up his book release by undercosting everything and leaving him on the hook for upwards of thousands of dollars in expenses to actually ship the books.
>>151112111like with real people, or just drawn stuff?
>>151119731i had no idea this happened, sad.anyone remember raymundo nothing? for some reason it had a lot of overlap in the blog rings with PFSC, but it's disappeared entirely, can't even search for it.
>>151120177>film adaptation with Owen Wilson and Jennifer Lopezholy shit its real
>>151121530How did he get not hit by a fraud lawsuit? Those are books people already paid for and he recorded himself burning them.
>>151121776Because any individual claim would have to be run through small claims court and any class action suit would not only need to gather enough people together but also find a lawyer willing to take a class action case for a relatively small sum against a man who not only could be unable to pay anyone but very may well have undergone a psychological breakdown.
>>151120499Yes he is and i am tooACE MASTER RACE!!!!
>>151121943
>>151110699This guy also drew Animanics incest porn that was uploaded to FA ages ago but might have gotten purged in their 2010 cub ban. The account began with an "S" but I can't remember it.
>>151120366Reminds me Desiree Lee / Jim Hardiman / Justin Kasse / BulletsoupOf course, when you really start to eye the details of the art, it's clear to see it was all from the same guy (rip).
>>151121399That sounds like a crazy amount of work to put up big of a sherade. Was it mental illness?
>>151122709Maybe, a lot of people theorize that given both his age and race the alt-identities might have been a tactical move when interacting with the furry fandom.
>>151114843Holy shit it's actually wrapping up? I should go re read it, I guess? I actually liked it at one point.
>>151122709It sounds like he has a different computer for each person so that would help with not posting from the wrong account at least.
>>151123034To avoid racism?I wonder what he died of.>>151114843>>151123169DripRat nuked his years old FA for some reason, like its GONE. FA allows you to do that now, which I think is lame.But he sprung up again on Inkbunny.
>>151110699Slug & Minnie
>>151123482is there a decent archive anywhere? last i checked, internet archive can't parse the old sites right and doesn't have the images.
>>151110726Now I'm curious what was this about?
>>151123360Racism and also to put people at ease. For context, dude was an OG furry; by the time the furry fandom started really kicking off online in the late 90s he was already 40 years old. Middle aged single male, 100% into the sexual and fetish side of the fandom, and black while his primary alt-identities were a fictious long-term partner and a happily married couple; I would say it was 100% done to alter how people perceived him. And by all accounts he died of natural causes.
>>151123816http://kitnkayboodle.comicgenesis.com/
>>151123777No I tried scouring the internet and I couldn't find much.
>>151118316It's been ages since I read it but wasn't the screaming barrel part of Drip's backstory?
>>151114843>that picWhy is older furry artwork so creepy and ugly looking, anyways? I feel like that mostly applies to Western shit though.
>>151124184Early limitations of non-commercial digital art programs and a lot of self-taught artists.
>>151123954If we really wanted to guess heart disease was most likely considering his age and lifestyle. Even if he was relatively healthily lived it's significantly more common in blacks so it wouldn't be surprising if it just gave out on him
>>151123954>And by all accounts he died of natural causes.In his mid 50s? That don't add up.
>>151124459He was 59, and black men have a higher risk of early coronary problems. It wouldn't be too out of the ordinary.
>>151111851This is the kind of insanity that cones along with endless gooning, pooning, and internet. I’m legitimately scared
>>151125191He was almost 60 10 years ago so I don't think we can blame the internet. Even as an early adopter he was already an adult.
>>151124077>wasn't the screaming barrel part of Drip's backstory?Yes. Also Drip is his self insert. I know there's a Loveline call from his wife/girlfriend where she talks about it and his rape fetishLoveline with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew was the best thing on the radio back in the day
>>151116928The girl was 16, the story ended when they got together because the state they were in actually had 17 as the aoc but they had all been assuming 18 as it had been changed possibly a few years prior by the 2000s Republican government.Think it finished anyway. Fairly grounded sexy drama.
>>151125455Riceboy is still readable though?https://rice-boy.com/
>>151125455his new comic is really hard to understand what the fuck is going on, even by rice boy standards.
>>151125574Finished can feel long lost
>>151121672Real.Dude went to prison.
>>151114843>It's been 20 years and I still think about Musical Holes.
I'm still pissed about Follow The Leader.>comic about mobsters fighting a tribe of cannibal kids>cannibals have some nondescript tribal motifs, nothing that would piss off anyone>naturally tumblr is deeply offended>files reports against his patreon and basically bullies him into killing the comic with only 10-15 pages left in the story>post-cancellation the artist ends up in a creative death spiral and has been reduced to trying to kickstarter a smutty artbook or some shit
>>151110726>then shmorky and dark id happenedWhat is it with furfags/goons and having multiple fake identities?
>>151126833furries are like an automatic sign of a particular class of deep-rooted insanity that leads to the most wild shit, I will never in my life stop hating them as legitimately dangerous
Fascinating internet history right there. I never knew the guy was like that. Awesome. I never paid much attention to his Kit N Kay Boodle comics but I knew the guy more for his Johnny and Bonnie characters. I think that was what it was called. It was a cat and a dog that fucked all the time. I thought it was funny because they looked like Looney Tunes characters.
for me it was Fur Will Fly https://www.jadephoenix.org/fwf/comics/
Good thread. Had no idea the incest furry comic guy was black, or that it was all bullshit. He must have been lonely. Rip.
>>151121767>Its even advertised on the official website
>>151110726Well on the bright side, he didn't die. There's no known obituary for Albert. I think as age caught up, it was too many personas. I'd like to think he just latched to another final profile given he was 58 (now 64). He will die not living a stressful lie.
>>15112828068/69, fuck.
>>151128280Hard to believe when they just all suddenly stopped.
>>151128280Not every family does an obit. It'd be nice if he wasn't dead though.
>>151128280He's deader than Shmorky
>>151129162I wasn't aware Shmorky bought it.
>>151126806>cannibals have some nondescript tribal motifs, nothing that would piss off anyoneIt was actually due to the trickster spirit thing the kids worshiped being drawn in a style that was really similar to Australian Aboriginal art. Which would've been THE easiest fix, because everything else about the tribe and its aesthetics were very nondescript. But I remember the author was going through some heavy mental shit at the time and the idiots piling on them didn't help. Anyway yeah I miss this one, it was such a cool idea. Wonder how they feel about Yellowjackets.
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>>151123360>DripRat nuked his years old FA for some reason, like its GONE. FA allows you to do that now, which I think is lame.>But he sprung up again on Inkbunny.He's still on fa he just changed accounts
>>151116707>likely help that the furry angle was just window dressing and didn't over take the story at first.JACK is basically a time capsule of the early 2000s furry fandom. You probably wouldn't even realize it unless you were in to that shit but from the get go it was full of that specific group culture from that specific time.
>>151112816is this a "I miss achewood because I hate the new material" or a "I was not aware achewood still has new comics made"
>>151121270unca scrooge get off 4chan
>>151126608Wow, this seems to happen often. This comic called Fauna Fairest that was storytimed a few weeks ago also had the creator jailed for CP.
The Last Halloween is a relevant addition to the thread.
>>151110699>fanboysI really feel bad for the creator. I hope he heals one day. Shit just seeing the website comeback would be enough
Anyone remember the old Nsider forums? There tons of webcomics and fanmedia on there that essentially became lost media when the website became kill in 08. A few years ago while I was doing some google sluething, I managed to find an archive for one specific artist who went by Cartoony on the forum, pretty fun find. Pretty standard gamer humor, but she made hundreds of these strips and a few of them talked about other users and forum drama so its been a cool little time capsule for me
>>151130163Where can I find more of these? Cute amateur style
>>151125531Can you remember the name? I appreciate more info regardless to aid me in my search, thanks!
>>151125455>>151125672Evan Dahm is so good. Vattu was amazing. Didn't know he's got a new comic going now
>>151129225He didn't. I don't think he even faked suicide. When he was still called Shmorky, he announced he was staying at the hospital because he threatened to harm himself or something.He's currently NEETing it up in his parents' trailer, doing commissions under a new art persona.
>>151120692You forgot>Creator vanishes into FurAffinity to draw herm smut of Sasha.
>>151116928It's Treading Ground, I liked that, too. I looked up and turns out the author rebooted the comic and recently active, but also the old comic is available.
>>151130726>Treading GroundThanks so much, i've literally spent years looking for it & asking around in webcomic threads
>>151126833The Dark Id being a BPD lunatic really doesn't sit well with me. He made some of the funniest screenshot LPs ever done; he was like an early Seanbaby. I still reread Drakengard every couple of years.
>>151112210From what I can remember, they all looked similar, but he was using different lineart/coloring techniques. Plus each artist had their own distinct handwriting style.
Geist Panik, dead and gone for years now
Emma was a comic about a little girl living through a zombie apocalypse, but hallucinating everything as being fine
>>151130796>BPDIs that what it is? From my understanding, the guy was just super autistic. He was really into MGS and wanted to larp as some badass secret agent with various japanese femme fatale girlfriends whom he'd "invite" to his goon groups on discord to be stand-ins for times when he'd want to share controversial opinions (ex: that one time he said he felt bad for inadvertently giving korone her ryona fetish with his re death animation videos, and then his fake girlfriend immediately posts in response with "no dont feel bad, its fucking hilarious!!")Basically his goon mentality was "if a female person of color says something naughty, the saints at SA will have no choice but to tolerate it!" and he was right. He got away with every lie in the book until he faked having cancer again, which was the tipping point that pissed slowbeef off enough into telling all the LP goons to go ahead and call out his obvious bullshit, since goons always need permission to make fun of someone.
Res Nullius was about a human and an alien growing closer to each other as they try to escape the forces that wiped out their home planets
RIP Scalie Schoolie
>>151130927Thank you anon, I'm glad someone else remembers it.I thought I imagined it in a fever dream as a teenager. There was hokey dokey panik too I think
>>151110726Does anyone have that greentext from years ago breaking it down beat by beat?
It had a good run and I know Eric still posts some comic stuff but I miss Sabrina Online like you wouldn't believe
Does anyone remember Moondog
Gastrophobia, now called Pepsiaphobia for reasons you might be able to guess, and possibly for the reason the comic is dead now. Last updates were years ago
If you make a barely disguised webcomic do people know right away? Is it too late to start making one?
>>151130915>Plus each artist had their own distinct handwriting style.So he actually hand wrote different as well? That's nearly impossible to do. Unless you mean computer text lettering.
>>151131668>Unless you mean computer text lettering.No. It was different handwriting. The comics I saw were drawn traditionally. I remember the panther(puma?) chick's handwriting was the hardest to read.
>>151131856>The comics I saw were drawn traditionallyAre they named here? Or are there some extra ones?That's insane though. It's very hard to hide the "tells" in handwriting. People study handwriting for forgeries and whatnot. This furry artist could have made a great con man.
>>151132029>Are they named here?I think the husband of the panther chick is mentioned in the thread. I'm just going off my memory, which isn't the most reliable. But I remember the comics were on this super old (can't remember the name, but it was much older than deviantart) image hosting site for furries. I never considered they might have been the same guy, due to furries being pretty incestuous style wise. If the idea that it was one guy metabolized back then I might have scrutinized the hand writing more.>This furry artist could have made a great con man.If he didn't get into furry smut this guy could have been the next Tolkien.
>>151132408>this super old (can't remember the name, but it was much older than deviantart) image hosting site for furriesVCL?
>>151125672A pair of scavengers in a post-apocalyptic world are getting caught up in a mix of local yokels, politicans, rebels, and other hooligans digging up the past, a lot of it revolving around tapping into the shit that caused the very apocalypse that made the world they live in. The most current arc is about what you could sort of call a land/political legitimacy dispute, which revolves around mapmaking and the passage of mapwork as property since it is a difficult thing in-setting and a recording of history the established government in the area wishes to suppress. All of these things are threads you can trace through the story, just like with how large scale TV shows will tend to bounce between different characters and their circumstances only to tie them together for explosive finales and so on later.On the whole, 3rd Voice is a story technically told in past-tense with occasional snippets of other points in time as handled by other characters. This can all be ascertained if you pay attention.>>151130305Based. I've loved his shit for a good long time myself.
>>151132437Yes, that's it!
>dark idWell thanks for that insane rabbit hole>he though PEI was like, a small island because his daughter was dying of sepsis and there were no hospitals on PEI that could treat sepsis.
Is there a good way to download entire webcomics?I'm sick of them becoming lost media
>>151118394Jack has some poor artwork that makes everyone look like a melting Loony Toon. It's also needlessly edgy at times. Under that, the story is a wild ride, there's a lot of heart under the edge and rape, and while he occasionally cribs from stuff like Twilight Zone, for the most part the writing is well done.To me, the peak of Jack will always be Megan's Run. Woman drifter ends up befriending a little girl with cancer, see's death(Jack) coming for her, grabs her and decides to keep running to keep the little girl alive.
>Brainslug is still posting updateslast time I checked was 15 years ago
>>151110699>Long gone webcomicsThis one was hilarious in a kind of Snow Crash type of weirdness.
IO remember long ago, like early 2000s a terrible yaoi comic with a cowboy pedophile who kept raping a kid with water powers who had a dumb costume where eventually the writer and author broke up forever.
>>151126833>>151130796Can someone give me the Bogdanoff Special on Dark Id? Loved his LPs back in the day but was never deep in goon culture
>>151130937>Basically his goon mentality was "if a female person of color says something naughty, the saints at SA will have no choice but to tolerate it!" and he was rightit's still funny to me how incredibly easy it is to manipulate goons if you just tell them you're trans and that their white guilt is virtuous, half of them would willingly kill themselves if a black queer trans demanded they do it as reparations
>>151134150He made up being a super military pmc guy, having wife and kids, friends, and dying of cancer.
>>151130952He still draws maybe once every other month but the comic is dead forever
>webcomic dies >artist still uses characters in fetish art
This and the monstergirl one was relevant for a whileon a non related note I discovered that my first pick for this thread, the nightmare inducing "Moon over June" is still ongoing
past threads on this topic: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Talk:Comics
RainedogOH MY GOD
>>151134917Feels like just yesterday Menage was one of those comics where you could count on /co/ to have a thread for every new update
>>151110699I remember some gay webcomic from one million years ago called "Jade Sparkle" but I can't find a single trace of it.>>151134162The modern goon is completely miserable to be around.
>>151134811Ah yes. The Underburbs method.
The Bare Pit
Road Waffles. Though I never read through the whole thing in its entirety. There's also Anders Loves Maria. That one finished but had a heartbreaking ending.
>>151134917Oh hey, I remember this fanservice comic
>>151135634>The modern goon is completely miserable to be around.they're just constantly on edge and purity checking and it's fucking miserable how tense it is, everyone feels like they smiling with a knife behind their back
>>151135634>modern goonIs there such a thing? Last time I used the forums, it was all 2001 join dates being obnoxious, virtue signaling faggots, and a few year of our lord regs talking to themselves
>>151136935plenty of people joined in the last 10 years, but everyone is the same with their obsession with internet purity and right action, the people who don't behave like that keep to themselves in subforums
>>151136935I still take advantage of the numbers goons will initially have in any online game so I have the pleasure of interacting with them somewhat regularly. It's so funny to hang with the ones who are normal but will immediately shrink into submission when somebody comes along to make sure we're not having too much fun. What >>151136679 says is very on point. I'm not even a chud or particularly edgy and I still feel like I'm walking on eggshells when a guild officer comes sniffing.
>>151137101the damage Lowtax did is irrevocable and it's just going to get worse until it's an old man's retirement home with a 1000 enraged puritans shrieking accusations at one another inbetween repeating the same shit jokes they've told for 20 yearsyou cannot do or say ANYthing without some goddamn SS officer demanding to see your papers
>MFW that one webcomic I can't remember the name of and won't until I'm on my deathbed and my life flashes before my eyes
>>151137295it's worse when you do remember them, trust me, I can't forget any of them and it's agony as the years fly by
>>151134811Off Saving The World?
>>151134167He also said his kid killed herself because she was getting bullied for being a lesbian, and then her lesbian girlfriend from school dramatically killed herself in front of her tombstone as they were visiting her grave
>>151137503if you produce content people love, they will do and believe ANYthing to keep the content coming, like an addict ignoring the bodies in his dealer's basement. "this person gives me CONTENT, I can't disown them as dangerous and insane liars"
>>151111851The author lived alone in an apartment filled with vintage computers and had multiple personas online that all went dark when he died, including his long term long distance fiance.I used to read Alice Otter back around 2007. Author killed himself and nobody in the fandom noticed for a few years.
>>151128334Obits cost like 600 bucks its insaneI used to read this I think the artist posts here
>>151137801I was waiting for someone to post this.This guy had such a cute and inviting art style.Also skilled enough to draw a comic and things like backgrounds, cars and planes.The comic itself might have been a little boring writing wise, but its heartbreaking a guy with this artstyle just offed himself.Even worse, there is no complete comic archive available either, and much of his art is also lost iirc.If only I had a time machine...the things Id save!
>>151138144>the things Id save!Present loves may become future losses. You ARE remembering to save things now, r-right Anon?
>>151130207The filter is being gay and wont let me do the link no matter how i alter it, just search up Cartoony mario funnies Nsider and itll come up. Kinda wild to think about, she pumped out like a thousand of these strips over like 4 years. Sadly this is the only piece of media ive find from the old forum, although I did enjoy this one as a kid, there was much cooler stuff being posted I doubt i'll ever see again.
>>151138634scratch that I got it working, im retarded.>www.tapatalk.com/groups/nsider2/cartoony-s-mario-funnies-t905.html
I don't know if this counts as a comic but I was addicted to reading this growing uphttps://scratch.mit.edu/studios/165163/
>Perfect delivery. I'll leave it on your desk.
Dendyn_Dynasties. Not a comic, just a short little vid. Could have been really cool if the creator had kept at it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CQ-2Lzoj4
>>151138144>its heartbreaking a guy with this artstyle just offed himself. To quote a furry acquaintance of mine "most furries are miserable." The straight male ones at least. Moondog was pretty good. Kim arndt is a storyboard artist now and the comic's website is dead.
Anybody read the property of hate? Its been going since 2012 every week and its still very good.
>>151140517I can't really imagine how alienating the furry community must be for non-fetishist members.
>>151140517It really is crazy just how many webcomics there were in the 2000s and how so many of them are now just gone and lost media. It feels like very few survived past, like, 2015.And now? Good luck getting someone to visit a personal website, you need to post all your comics on shit like Twitter now.
>>151140586I feel like it's the exact kind of thing that I would like and should probably read it, but I say that for a lot of things in my life yet never really get around to. Definitely on my backlog for sure though.
>>151140586Ahead of its time with the object head shit>>151140596Some fetishists have to experience that too depending how obscure
>>151140667It really was a very particular moment in time, when webcomics seemed like the huge new thing and so many bloomed and exploded in popularity, and by now almost the entire medium seems to have withered away. Is there even a single example of a popular "new" webcomic that has launched in the past ten years?
>>151124459Ripe old age for a crocodile hunter
Bear Nuts kinda just went on hiatus in August after over a decade of the author doing daily strips since 2008, though, the last actual comic was in 2022 before they switched to story panels. It's not dead per say, but it sure feels like it
NiegoIt's archived but the domain points to a terribad dad jokes webcomic by the artist now
>>151113135Minus is a monster
>>151140735>and by now almost the entire medium seems to have withered away.It's like the dot com bubble.Remember, you'd have to network your site, swap links! Make link buttons and banners. I don't recall there being any major site that listed every webcomic ever. Back then you really needed to surf the web to find them. Sometimes, you'd get web awards! Created by...random people!Maybe it has something to do with that it was a hobby for alot of people, and many amateurs started comics, had ideas, and everyone had a dream to be popular with a comic. Now everything needs to be done for profit, like and subscribe, please that algorithm. Also, we moved to a very video based Internet, drip feed of Youtube shorts and Tiktoks, webcomics just don't fit that.For some reason, Badly Drawn Kitties popped up into my head just now.And Better Days...>Is there even a single example of a popular "new" webcomic that has launched in the past ten years?I couldn't tell ya.>>151140767He wasn't an auzzie.>>151140769I met the creator of this at a comics festival once. She seemed nice. I liked the art but could never really get into this one. Never like the character names.
>>151118365She directed episodes of the King of the Hill reboot and makes her own comics as well now, anon
I remember posted on /co/ eons ago some creepy boys comics, or maybe it was artwork only, that was posted by a dude, maybe German, who I think went to jail on pedo charges.
>>151140730You've got to have a very obscure or socially unacceptable fetish for that to happen, and the latter is kinda present company contextual.>>151140735I was going to say K6BD, but that's twelve years old now.
>>151121481I remember years ago some people were trying to figure out what happened to Ryan Armand, since he vanished right after he completed Great!, his follow-up comic. Someone found online that a residence belonging to one "Ryan Armand" had a foreclosure put on it. Obviously that might not be the same person, but if he did become homeless, it would probably explain why art suddenly wasn't a high priority for him.
>>151122630Stefanescu>>151123034I feel like a lot of it was an image thing, at least in the beginning. Gene first hit it big on Yerf, a site dedicated to clean furry art. I can see why he'd want to keep the porn to an alt account at first, especially the incest stuff. God only knows why he took it as far as he did though.Shit honestly makes me so sad. I hope he was at least happy in his weird fantasy worlds.
Camp WedontwanchaSkadiFrog Raccoon StrawberryAnother one by an artist who died, I think they were in the Family Guy credits In Memoriam??
>>151140881>He wasn't an auzzieIt's a running joke about rappers who get shot so Albert snuffing it at 59 applies
>>151131512It's too late to start making one. Pretty much all creative content - books, comics, vidya, even movies and tv - are all dead mediums due to oversaturation and everyone wanting something for free.If you made a webcomic now, you'd have three options>feature it on your own website and get no readers>feature it on some corpo 'host your shit here' site and get no readers>build up a following very slowly on twitter and hope the algorithm blesses you, then go corpoAnd option 3 is basically the lottery.
>>151140965Yes! That was it!Huh, I wonder if this line was updated just before he passed or if it was...to do with something else.Gotta say he drew some decent Animanics, he was a pretty talented artist I'd say. I wonder if he ever made it to Inkbunny?
>>151141032Doon't know what the fuck croc hunting and rap have in common with each other he Albert was neither.
>>151140881NTA but you reminded me of something significant but just kind of in the background, something I didn't full appreciate at the time. I remember websites were crowded at the bottom with little rectangular link icons to other sites. I didn't think about how they were networked and exchanged. It's so cool and intuitive. At the time I never really saw it as ever becoming a relic of the past but it all fell into the background and out of my notice. Thanks for reminding me.
>>151141035Boy the shout page is...interesting. No idea the context. Was it a pedo? It doesn't line up though because if he went to jail his other personas would have stopped talking before he died.
>>151140881The main thing is that writing and drawing a comic, consistent publishing, and seeing it through to the end is much, much more difficult task than the majority of webcartoonists realized. And if you want to make money off of it then you have to be a small business owner on top of everything else.
>>151141059Yeah, and sometimes the link icons were animated!I had a website back in the day I remember e-mail other people to do link swaps.Remember guestbooks? Sign my guestbook, anon! Ah, or hit counters. Also a relic, I think.
>>151141095True.Was reminded of another webcomic just now. It was called Afterstrife...>googlesHow the FUCK is this still online??http://afterstrife.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_webcomics
>>151140735>>151140881The webcomic booms of the 2000s and 2010s were a direct result of very specific technological and cultural developments that no longer exist. The centralization and commodification of the internet completely destroyed the culture and infrastructure needed to turn fully independent long form webcomics into mainstream successes.
>>151140735Unironically it's all webtoons and jap pixiv shit that got popular for 6 months and fizzled out after getting a shitty ova. Probably the most prominent example is Solo Leveling which is Korean and generic shonen power fantasy bullshit.
>>151140893I remember that thread, everyone said it'd be less creepy if it were outright shota porn.
>>151112816Why? It always sucked.
I want to say VG Cats is dead but didn't he come back again?Greatest example of becoming successful (right time right place, comic started in 2001 and iirc got popular around 2004-2005) and completely fumbling it. Should have went to more comic cons, could have started some youtube shorts - maybe even got an entire animated series going now.But no, he just started doing porn...and the real kicker, the "official porn" wasn't as good as fan porn.I can understand maybe growing out of videogames but cmon he could have expanded the story.Scott also had two other webcomics too...Also, GamerCat, which is also dead, was a nice comic that I felt is what VG Cats could have been - yknow just a funny strip about games and cats that updated on time.
>>151141373Do you remember the name of the guy, the website he had, comics, anything? Link the thread? For a while it felt like a fever dream like was it actually real what I remembered?
>>151141315OPM and Onimai started off as webcomics.
>>151141260I don't want to get too deep, but I don't see why internet centralization would make the webcomic medium disappear. It seems to me you could just market your webcomic on the more centralized social media websites, same as everything else.
>>151116694Wait, Hiveworks is dead? When? How/why?
>>151130995isn't that still like, ongoing?
>>151141413Niklas Edlund.
i miss it, but at least it ended decently
>>151141485Because those sites operate in a way that is antithetical to the medium. Communities exist inside bubbles, maintained by algorithms that ensure that only a very specific kind of content is ever promoted to a very specific audience. Not to mention the fact that these sites are absolutely terrible for art hosting in general.
>>151131030Post-timeskip Gastro had great Greek boy potential and then he had to go ahead and tranny it.
>>151141722As soon as I read that name, even though its been over 10 years, it still sounded so familiar...Then I see the art, and its... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhmuJ7OexosThanks.I wonder what happened to him.
>>151141406He posted a comic just last week. Though, Scott is clearly unhealthy in these current days, enigmatic medical issues have cost him a lot of his energy and sanity, he's just not able to concentrate and draw the way he used to, still disappearing for weeks at a time. At least he's not worshiping ChatGPT as an omniscient god in the machine anymore. That was a weird interlude.
>>151142282The guy has some weird mental breakdowns. When his wife left him and took the kids, his way of snapping was starting to make VGcats porn on another Patreon account. Then his 2nd mental breakdown had him remove all old comics and put em behind a paywall on Patreon and now we had the AI shit.
>>151141753The writer worked briefly for Marvel in the only good run of Gwenpool, but nowadays he writes for Adventure Time comics.
>>151142306>his way of snapping was starting to make VGcats porn on another Patreon accountThat wasn't "snapping" so much as it was a way of getting money out of furries. And in that regard it was a huge success, the VGLewds patreon was 10x more successful than the VGCats one.You also missed the breakdown where he deleted that lewd patreon, revoked all commissions (there were several outstanding $100 commissions already paid for), and disappeared from the internet entirely for two years. Then the AI nonsense. Now it seems he's calmed down a touch, but everything he makes is loaded down with typos and he often seems to ramble like a dementia patient. Probably actual brain damage at this point from the vague medical issues he alludes to.
>>151142282>Though, Scott is clearly unhealthy in these current days, enigmatic medical issues have cost him a lot of his energy and sanityHe's a leaf does he not have free health care? He's also what, in his 40s now? How bad could his health be?>he's just not able to concentrate and draw the way he used toFucker was late with updates millennia ago, maybe he has undiagnosed adhd.>At least he's not worshiping ChatGPT as an omniscient god in the machine anymore. That was a weird interlude.I missed that part. I remember he came to /co/ briefly. Mentally he sounds fucked up.
>>151142331>He's a leaf does he not have free health care? He's also what, in his 40s now? How bad could his health be?Doctors aren't miracle workers. Having free healthcare is not a ticket to being actually healthy if it's not something medicine can cure.
>>151142306>Then his 2nd mental breakdown had him remove all old comics and put em behind a paywall on Patreon and now we had the AI shit.Did he really take all his old VGCats comics that were free for years and paywall them? What a DICK move!I understand trying to make money with it but the dumbass has let his IP sit and rot on the vine for like 15 years. Zoomers and alpahs dont give a fuck about VGCats. His time to make major bank was years ago and he blew it.>and now we had the AI shit.Was he using AI for his old drawings or something?Scott, if you ever read this, you can draw, you can draw toons, and furry. Just draw r34 toony porn for people. Not your IP but /co/, /trash/ and /v/ furry shit. Rake in those bucks now before AI takes it away.
>>151142327>(there were several outstanding $100 commissions already paid for)Ouch. Once you get labeled a scammer, good luck trying to wash that smell off your name.
>>151142354>Was he using AI for his old drawings or something?No, it wasn't artistic. He thought he could do something like command ChatGPT to create lesser AIs that could study independently like a research team, and that "they" (ChatGPT's roleplay figment) would be able to "solve" all outstanding problems in physics and astronomy and math and so on. It's all deleted now thankfully and Scott hasn't mentioned it for some time so I think he managed to wake up from that nonsense.
>>151142354>and now we had the AI shit.Was he using AI for his old drawings or something?Basically he had like a 3rd side thing, where he would post obvious AI art mixed with his schizo rambles about life and philosophy.>Did he really take all his old VGCats comics that were free for years and paywall them?Ye, he did. I think the whole slew of his old comics were for like 50$? >>151142364Eh, thered a way to either give refunds and show you can do make art. Hard work, but doable.>>151142327I dunno, the fact he did VGLewds right after his wife and kids left him, felt like he did have a meltdown and in the process got the idea of makin money of it.
>>151142397wtf>It's all deleted now thankfullyWhere was it posted?>>151142398>and in the process got the idea of makin money of it.How much was he making purr month with it?
>>151142331>He's a leaf does he not have free health care?That probably was the suicide attempt.
>>151142434>Where was it posted?On the site itself. Somebody bothered to get a snapshot with archive.org.https://web.archive.org/web/20240930052408/https://cosmicvibe.vgcats.com/sci/uft.php>How much was he making purr month with it?It began around $2000 per month, shot up to $4000 a month for the short while he was active, then slowly declined back down to $1200 a month over the course of four years before Scott burned it all down and ragequit. In comparison, the VGCats patreon was never much higher than $300 a month at any point.
>>151142450This was quite funny, and after years it's back from death too
>>151130938I miss this so fucking much. I miss that entire era of /hyw/Res Nullius, Mostly Lizard, Colony Corps, Bug Quest 2...It's all gone or abandoned now
How about a webcomic with a good ending?Johnny Crossbones managed to finish in under 20 years with a few long hiatuses, the website going down for a bit, and almost no drop (or rise) in quality... until the last two panels or so
>>151140735Clown Corps started in 2019 I think.
>>151141753sucks that his website disappeared.
>>151141794There was a guy that hosted his self loathing wifehate comic on reddit but he ended up getting banned and now he's on Instagram.
>>151140596The furry fandom has a lot of straight guys in it, incels or close to it. A lot of the popular artists are also straight. The active community, that attends cons and has parties, is mostly gay. A lot of these comics, like Alice Otter, Vicky fox, or even Sabrina online, have an element of escapism born from loneliness.
>>151144099Goddamn Vicki fox updated last month
>>151116928>>151130726Surprisingly topical page came up during my re-read
Housepets changed my sexuality long before this page
Aerth Epic had an amazing art style.
>>151144538Shame in later issues the guy really went up his own ass and flipped the middle finger to all his readers.
>>151144774>the final page
>>151141624Nah it's not, I was just being retarded and conflated the decay of Intrepid Girlbot's page on Hiveworks with Hiveworks itself, which appears to be quite alive and well.
I miss the Green Knight though I completely understand why he ended it. Dude never got any recognition and having a kid forced him to give up what was essentially just a passion project at that point. Still sucks it ended just when the plot was kicking it into high gear.
This Pokemon arc was one of the best parody of it
>>151125455This is a finished webcomic, bit of a difference there
>>151129533Honestly probably for the best, I felt nothing for the timeskip portion and Slay the Princess is a hell of a lot more engaging.
I miss Carrion Girls
>>151142450>It began around $2000 per month, shot up to $4000 a month for the short while he was active, then slowly declined back down to $1200 a month over the course of four yearsHow the fuck did it manage to reach 4 grand per month?I wonder if the drop to 1200 a month was him slipping with drawing, or perhaps people were getting board of it?>waybacklinkSorry that looks like a bunch of schizo nonsense.>>151142799>and after years it's back from death tooWhat is?
>>151144129I thought Russell died?I don't remember this having a comic at all...it looks soulless as fuck.
>>151145816https://nonadventures.com/
>>151118365I know it's a beloved comic, and there are some funny ones, but I never could really get into this. It always felt like it wanted to be "wholesome" by force, if that makes any sense.
>>151145816>How the fuck did it manage to reach 4 grand per month?I'm guessing maybe his VGLewds offered some extra shit for more donations. Like maybe exclusive arts or something.>Sorry that looks like a bunch of schizo nonsense.Because it was.
>>151142211Monkeypox
>>151141422In Japan there is a clear and time honored route from "I'm just throwing up this story/comic online for fun!" to "corpo notices you are popular and offers you a publishing deal".In the west, however, if you want to get published you have to crawl on all fours under the doggy door of a literary agent, beg and plead and suck his cock about how amazing he is, and then MAYBE you get published but ONLY if you are a female offer doing romance slop.
>>151146494>In Japan there is a clear and time honored route from "I'm just throwing up this story/comic online for fun!" to "corpo notices you are popular and offers you a publishing deal".While I can't quite hate these people for securing the bag, but looking at the hellscape of modern seasonals and realizing a lot of them are essentially pulled from Japanese Wattpad is kind of bleak. Can't deny otaku are getting regularly pandered to in a way western animation fans are not though.There is some degree of this in the fanfic scene (all that Draco/Hermione and Reylo shit), but it is limited to books/live action.
I miss browsing at 3am and stumbling onto picrel
>>151144774I thought that too but then he was bitching on twitter about people criticising it in the end and had a bitch thread every bit of criticism he got over the entire comic run on bluesky. He blocked me for pointing out people hated the arc with the cougar because his constant forced gags derailed the entire tone and plot and it was not due to his excuse of "people just don't like the wolves lol".So I'm still not sure if he was spitefully giving his vocal hugbox fanbase every stupid thing they wanted no matter how retarded it was or if he actually thought any of that was a good idea.
>>151143950It's wrapping up every plotline, Joe's already showing us the characters from the next webcomic
>>151145241HW pulled out of printing collections and that chapped some asses
>>151146755already!? >characters from the next webcomicwhere
>>151146019The best part is when Justin got married, at the shower Wonderella showed up drunk to roast himThis wasn't his idea but whoever they got stayed in characterI wish I had video of it
>>151146019Oh I assume this isnt by Scott and you replied to that post wrongly.
>>151146832https://bsky.app/profile/joechoui.bsky.social/post/3m4btewd7a22gI'm not really feeling this one
>>151146324He died?Also just realizing that both his name and the title of the character are the same so he was self inserting boyhood fantasies he either had or wish he could have?
>>151146864I'm joking about the disease, I think he probably reached the point where he realized webcomics about underage gay sex would end him one way or another
>>151146885Well, moreover if you use your real name and try to publish them "legit" like.
>>151110699Ozzy and Millie, which writing wise I sort of appreciate more now that I am older. Shame the author turned out to me mentally ill.
>>151133316Yeah I used https://www.httrack.com/ to copy astray3 and back it up on my site https://komikksu.com/astray3mirror/www.a3classic.com/index.htmlthe author rebooted it https://www.astray3.com/ but uh, that died too. Real good art and creative world building, it's a pity. I prefer the first iteration but the second one was going places too
>>151146689I think it's the latter honestly, because I recall he got a whole new asshole torn for the retarded "This teen being turned into a female squirrel is an allegory for trans stuff" by the rest of his fanbase.>>151146915So wait, we mean actual mental illness or...? Cause that phrase almost is a buzzword by this point.
>>151146863huh. his style will evolve regardless. I really like clown corps, didn't want for it to end so soon.
>>151134162I was on SA during the whole transition from "sponsoring two girls one cup" to "we're all woke down here, and soon you'll be too". Eventually they banned me for hotlinking from my own website, and I wasn't going to pay the 'tax again so I quit. The place eventually ate him too, RIP Lowtax
I miss Lackadaisy so much, bros. Technically it's not "dead" but it might as well be.
>>151147094Ye, wish the comic did continue. Specially since it was gearing towards some interesting plotlines.
>>151147025>So wait, we mean actual mental illness or...?He became a "woman" many years ago.>>151147094Do you think it going animated as a good idea?Lackadaisy might be the most successful webcomic ever. But I worry all the money will make the creator distracted and lazy.
>>151120533I remember a comic but a I'm not sure the girl was evil.
>>151147139>He became a "woman" many years ago.Okay, so I thought it was actual mental illness. Instead it's the regular "dem twoons" shit, whatever.>Do you think it going animated as a good idea?I kinda get the idea of wanting to make an animated series, specially when your webcomic has gotten this big and the webcomic boom is starting to go down.
>>151147178>and the webcomic boom is starting to go down.The writing and moreover the art was/is enough to propel it above the dying webcomics medium.
>>151146836ha that's awesome. https://www.doesnotplaywellwithothers.com/Poe still has all the cancers, send him some cash for his gofundme if you can spare it
