I did not think it would be possible, but here we are in 2025 where an anime movie did better than Hollywood capeshit (based on the same manga that outsold the entire comic industry): https://www.polygon.com/demon-slayer-infinity-castle-vs-superman-box-office/https://comicsgate.org/2021/06/03/demon-slayer-outsells-entire-usa-comic-industry-what-went-wrong/
>>151125710who bloody cares
>>151125758benchoid sister
>>151125761Marvel and DC are basically the entirety of the comic books industry, and they are all capeshit. It is an acceptable generalisation to say that all western comics are capeshit.And capeshit sucks, it's fine as just one genre, but it had no business being ALL of comics
>>151125799And as you can see, virtually nobody buys capeshit, and by extention, nobody buys western comics.It's not an issue of price, it's an issue of quality, as the OP pic shows. You could put a pile of thousands of western comics out on a table literally for free and nobody would take them, because they're shit.Further, you could triple the price of manga and it would still sell like hotcakes
>Manga>Can tell any story in any genre you want to.>Authors are allowed to write their own worlds with their own characters where the things they write will actually matter in the long run>Western comics>Stuck wasting your time on capeshit or indie if you want absolutely no support>Authors and artists are stuck in that same setting, where they're limited in what they can do unless they're a veteran and even if they do make some big changes it'll inevitably be rolled back.>Manga is somehow outselling comics.Gee, I fucking wonder why.
>>151125830Dog Man outsells all western comics.It's not that Dog Man is really all that popular, most people outside of comics have never heard of it. It's just that western comics are that bad.
>>151125761I have no idea what the pic is trying to convey when it reeks of youtube clickbait thumbnails
>>151125843This is the real kickerLook at pic related and consider them as unique IP's, what they have going for them>their universe>their magic/power systems>their history/lore>the characters within them>the tone of the series>etcAnd every single one is different and unique in its own way, so much so that a crossover would actually be completely impossible, because they cannot even exist in the same reality.
>>151125896A shared universe is just a detriment at this point, aside from things like a singular author doing multiple works in the same setting. The way corporations do it just doesn't work.
>>151125896Then consider all the various capeshit IP'sThey may exist in a "multi-verse" but the rules of each universe are largely the same. They are all cohesive, able to crossover easily.If something exists in one IP, it exists in all IP's and so in effect there is only one universe, and one IP just with many characters in it.If you don't like this singular series, well tough shit, because there are no others.
>>151125843>>Western comics>>Stuck wasting your time on capeshit or indie if you want absolutely no support>>Authors and artists are stuck in that same setting, where they're limited in what they can do unless they're a veteran and even if they do make some big changes it'll inevitably be rolled back.I've never understood why -if they keep forcing them to reset to "Issue Number One" every few years anyway- why don't they just have the balls to take one of these characters and do runs of "stand alone continuity" storylines that begin at one and end when the comic is over, and isn't bound by overall brand synergy.Like just do it with a pack of D-listers and test the waters or something.
Capeshit can have its place.It should be a genre, not the entire industry. And frankly, it should be a niche genre, like super sentai or mecha. It shouldn't be the face of an entire medium.But they've forced this reputation so hard that now most people are unable to even think of a comic that isn't capeshit.If you ask people>give me your ideas for a comic bookThey just start rattling off ideas of masked crusaders stopping bank robbers and shooting lasers out of their fingers.You don't get this kind of madness when you ask people what kind of movie they should make.
>>151125951That's not even worth doing to begin with, because you just know a company like Disney will fuck it over and bar any change from that new status quo if this even becomes popular at all. They don't understand why anyone likes anything they make.
>>151125951They do attempt stand alone continuities frequently. In fact most reboots are attempts to do this, however the writers and editors are so incompetent that within 5 or so issues they change their mind and reintroduce all the old stuff back in, then all the readers drop it and they're forced to reboot all over again.
>>151125979>a niche genre>like super sentaiSuper Sentai is not a genre, Super Sentai is a specific show. You're thinking of Toku / Tokusatsu.
>>151125856>It's not that Dog Man is really all that popularIt's popular with kids, right? Or at least something they'll see at Scholastic book fairs.
>>151125710I mean you also need to add the new Chainsawman movie to that equation. It comes down to creatives with full control of their books getting adaptations that respect their source material vs corporate ran comics that never get adapted accurately nor does the inspiration get respected in live action.>>151126001You're right but also Super Sentai is a niche show. They're on the decline to the point there's rumors of shutting the series down.
But really the fundamental issue, is as >>151125843 points out. It's a problem of direction. In manga, the ideas come from the creators themselves.In the west, the ideas all come from editors and executives, who don't have a single creative bone in their body.In the west, you get a job with the company, and they assign you work. This is complete kryptonite to anything resembling innovation or creativty.Imagine a traditional book publisher that instead of seeking out writers who have created their own stories, you instead just hire writers to write something the publisher came up with. Imagine how bad that would be. You'd never create anything worthwhile at all.>>151126001Ah thank you for the correction, I will amend my rants in the future>>151126017Kids play fortnite and watch xQc on Twitch, they don't read Dog Man. Maybe their parents will buy it for them, but they really don't care, these things are not at all popular in the grand scheme of things. The fact that they easily outsell comics is a total embarrasment to comics.
>>151125761>Train argument fags BTFOThe train argument was specific to why Japan's printing industry was healthier period than the WestManga sells better in the west because for a multitude of reasons from distribution, accessibility, pricing, etc
>>151126062Rumours of Super Sentai ending are not a new thing, I can recall that kind of thing going back at least a decade ago.
Question.Does Manga styled western comics sell better than regular western comics? I remember the old Ameri-Manga from my youth, like Princess Ai and Dramacon, so I was wondering if there have been an equivalents made today and if they fair better than your regular superman floppy or TPB.
>>151125937>>151125896>>151125843dude, you can get into comics without touching capeshitstop making problems with Marvel/DC applicable to the entirety of the medium>>151126017>>151126073It got a film and a musical stage productionKids love Dog Man
>>151126073What comics should do, is basically just copy the manga structure.That is to say, don't hire editors to then tell artists and writers what to make, but instead hire editors to FIND artists and writers who already have ideas, and publish their ideas.The editors job is not to be a visionary, it's to ensure what gets published atleast meets the target demographic and doesn't violate and print regulations.Creativity comes from the creators. Take away all the fixed ideas and let people create actually innovative stuff.
>>151126073>In the west, the ideas all come from editorsTorishima moment
>>151125799That chart's strictly for the direct market
>>151126102No you can't. Capeshit is all of comics.The amount of comics that are not capeshit are completely trash, and represent an insignifant percentage of the industry, both in terms of content, and in terms of sales. They basically don't exist.To attempt to disregard capeshit out of some embarassment that it brings, is to disregard 99% of all western comics. It's a self own
>>151126102>dude, you can get into comics without touching capeshitYou're failing to address the fundamental issue that capeshit is what's responsible for the American comics industry being in total shambles. You shouldn't have to dig deeper to find anything worth a shit, it should be the default. Of course, you don't understand why it's an issue that two companies have a stranglehold on what is effectively the entire American comics industry.
>>151126104>That is to say, don't hire editors to then tell artists and writers what to make, but instead hire editors to FIND artists and writers who already have ideas, and publish their ideas.Nigga, talent hunting is already a thingEven fucking Top Cow does itWhere do you think all the Italians and Brazilians are coming from?>>151126135Beneath the Trees is not capeshit and it's doing really well
So how viable is it to just set up a webcomic if you can maintain a consistent output schedule?
All capeshit is trash and the big 2 killed the entire medium of comics in the US when they used the CCA to kill off their competition because they're shit couldn't compete against actual good comicsFuck capeshit and fuck everyone who reads that garbage
>>151126145No you don't understandIn the west, you don't bring your own ideas to the publisher. They don't want to hear your ideas, they already have ideas, and it's capeshit.You get a job and they say "okay you're working on Superman now, make a story for Superman"You could walk in to Marvel or DC with the entirety of Dragonball start to finish, ready to publish (imagining that it doesn't already exist in Japan), and they would just turn you away because they don't accept original works.
>>151126157sorry dood, you’re trying to ask a valid question in a schizo thread
>>151126073>Kids play fortnite and watch xQc on Twitch, they don't read Dog Man.Kids, anon, read Dog Man. Teenagers watch Twitch streamers and play Fortnite, unless you literally think 7 year olds are doing that.
>>151126189>In the west, you don't bring your own ideas to the publisher.Nigga, Image, Dark Horse, etc accept pitches
>>151126189>In the west, you don't bring your own ideas to the publisher. Immortal Hulk?
>>151126219Irrelevant tiny publishers who anyway hire only their friends
>>151126157I don't think it's viable anymore. The most successful modern webcomics are also ancient who have had the same audience for 20+ years.
>>151125710Waham.ers fucking tight
>>151126239>hulk>originalUnless you mean to refer to the original Hulk as being an example of an original idea. If so, you are effectively saying that comics haven't innovated in nearly a century
>>151126094no.At least not American attempts. Radiant does well though.
>>151126138>You shouldn't have to dig deeper to find anything worth a shit, it should be the default.Going to a library or perusing online solicitations IS the default for people who aren't lazy to be spoonfed what to readIt's no different from people trying to find what manga to read and aren't just being spoonfed by whatever's trendy or what just got a new seasonal animeYou're making finding comics you can enjoy feel like a daunting task of combing through swathes of capeshit but anyone with a brain can use a search engine
>>151125761WHY WHY WHY!HOW? How/why can the right answer be bombarding these executives doors 24/7 and they don't get it?I can only conclude that they are malicious and care more about social agendas than making money. Someone's violating their fiduciary responsibility
>>151126265>Unless you mean to refer to the original Hulk as being an example of an original idea.Immortal Hulk drastically changed the character through Ewing's own ideas and even then if you're talking original ideas DC is bringing back Vertigo and that has plenty of non-cape ideas from creatives
>>151126242>Moving the goal postDid you even TRY getting into comics?
>>151126272>for people who aren't lazyRecreation IS lazyAnd comics are a recreational activity.If I go to a restaurant and I'm not literally handed a menu, I walk out.They can say "you're too lazy to dig through the bushes in the lobby to find the menu" but I'm already gone.If you have to actively search for a comic, you've failed at advertising. The point of advertising is to show it to the customer without them searching for it.
>>151125710Same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again.
>>151126163Cope and seethe, faggot
>>151126311>If I go to a restaurant and I'm not literally handed a menu, I walk out.You still have to find out about the restaurant to begin withThe solicitations and catalogs ARE the menus
>>151126296Hulk is Hulk, you're completely missing the point.It's not an original idea.Western comics do not publish original ideas
>>151125710Honestly I wish we could go back. Anime conventions used to be so soulful, a safe space for autistic weirdos who just wanted to make friends. Now they've gone full corpo filled with ewhores and cheap chink trinkets you can buy on Amazon for half price.
>>151126332>Western comics do not publish original ideasDid you miss the part where I brought up Vertigo coming back and how the line-up does have non-cape?Even that douchebag Tom Taylor is publishing a non-cape comic through DC that's apparently creator-owned between him and the artist
>>151126163
>>151126330Nope I don't have to do that either, that's what signs outside the building saying "RESTAURANT" are for. And if it happens to be one done some obscure alley, then I expect a leaflet through the door advertising it to me. I don't search for restaurants, they search for me.As does any form of entertainment.
>>151125710But... /a/ entertainment also sucks. Maybe, maybe this thread would be valid two decades ago. Anyone that says that /a/ media is still enjoyable is as retarded as Hazbin Hotel and Tom King fags>my trash sells more than your trash
>>151125710Anons on /co/ will literally post the exact same EvsW thread for years on end because they have nothing better to do with their existence. It’s genuinely a mental illness
>>151126352You're bringing up irrelevant edge cases. I do not care for your edge cases. I am speaking of the general widespread practices of the industry at large.Manga publishes tens of thousands of original ideas. Western comics do not publish even 1% of that.
>>151126311>without them searching for it.Most manga, anime, video games, etc get by a lot through word of mouthFor games it's especially true for indies
>>151125710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
>>151126362>Nope I don't have to do that either, that's what signs outside the building saying "RESTAURANT" are for.That's still you finding the restaurant yourselfIt's no different from finding a book at a library or at a storeAlso, people DO look up restaurants to eat atThey search restaurants based on reputation, what foods they serve, etcIf I wanted to eat Italian food and don't know where, I could easily search "Italian food near me"Stuff like that are some of the most common searches
>>151126369I always figured it was coming from ironic weebs who want to vaguely talk about anime but think /a/ is too stuffy and stinky and weird and uptight with the rules
>>151126373>Manga publishes tens of thousands of original ideas.How many of them are isekai?
>>151125710>Capeshit>CAPESHIT JAPAN!
>>151126417No, you're wrong. Comics are inpenetrable. You cannot easily find the best stories, you have to find convoluted reading guides, I can't even be bothered to go into detail how retarded it is.You know it's retarded to, you're just pretending you don't understand.
>>151126094They did for a while (even shit like print issues of Megatokyo back in the day did the kind of numbers modern comics would kill for) but then got pushed out by cheaper imports as the manga market started to reach saturation in the early '10s.
>>151126433You don't understand the meaning of the word original in this context, let me spoonfeed it for youThe original idea of the person making it, not an idea fed to them by their employer
>>151125710How many of those volumes are being purchased though? A single Naruto collection without copies alone takes up an entire row. I've seen the same manga volumes sit on shelves for months at our local store.
>>151126456>you have to find convoluted reading guidesGeez Louise I wonder what the fucking reading guide is for From HellOh wait, it's literally just one bookEven for capeshit you still have comics like Invincible with an easily digestible beginning, middle, and end
When did you all become sellfags?
>>151126373>>151126471Again, did you TRY getting into comics?If what you tried to get into was Marvel, DC, and licenseshit you have nobody to blame but yourself
>>151126482Invincible is one of the best selling comics because it's not retarded in its advertising, unlike 99% of the rest of the industry. It is a new comic, and frankly nobody seems to have learned any lessons from it so it's not worth caring about in this context
>>151126503>It is a new comic,It's from 2003 you stupid fucking idiot
>>151126500Good products sell.Bad products do not sell.Your favourite comic that didn't sell was shit, and you have no taste.
>>151125710GOLLY GEE I WONDER WHY
>>151125710Isn’t OP’s pic from like 2015?
>>151126502>if what you tried to get into was 99% of the industry then haha you're dumb becuase all those comics are terrible, that's right 99% of comics are terribleThis is what you said
>>151126515>Your favourite comic that didn't sell was shit, and you have no taste.Earthbound sold horribly in the WestIs Earthbound a terrible game by that logic?
>>151126515>Good products sell.>Bad products do not sell.thanks I'll be sure to watch Disney live action remakes then.
>>151126514Compared to Superman who is from 1938, then yes 2003 is very new
>>151125710>/co/ unironically believes manga authors have any type of creative freedomOHNONONONONO
Comics aren't going anywhere.
>>151126532I don't even hate Marvel and DC comicsI've liked a selection of their works and licenseshit It's just not the majority of my readingMy argument is that if someone tried to find non-cape comics they'd actually be able to easily do so if they bothered making the most bare minimum of effortSo I'm asking again, did you TRY?
>>151126515I FUCKING LOVE FORTNITE
>>151126503What were the lessons the industry was supposed to learn from Invincible
You should abandon your zealous defensive posture over western comics, they are not worth defending. They are shit. You should instead support their demise and total replacement by manga that already dominate the market.Comic book shops should throw out their old comic books and replace them all with manga.
>>151126515Wow by that logic the Iron Giant was a steaming pile of shit
>>151126560You're irrelevant. You represent an invisibly small demographic in the comics industry. You are not worth catering to
You ask an east vs. west shill about the European comics scene and you can visibly see their melanin getting browner in real-time
>>151126566>They are shit.Which ones have you read?>>151126582It's a yes or no question that you refuse to answerDid you try?
>>151126565Don't crossover with a thousand other seriesDon't number your comic nonsensicallyThey didn't learn these lessons
>>151126596I've read enough to know that they're all shit and there's nothing of worth to be found through digging.The fact that you are not gleefully recommending me your favourite comic, is because you know these obscure niche hidden comics that you have to dig for are shit and nobody likes them.
I don't understand Americans that hate work from their own country.
>>151126428Thats very likely. They’re probably obsessed with culture war faggotry and cant appreciate manga or comics on their own merits. It’s almost never actually about the art form, it’s just a way to shit on some enemy they have
>>151126618>The fact that you are not gleefully recommending me your favourite comicNobody asked for reccs
>>151126602There are PLENTY of comics that already do that and acting as if Invincible was somehow novel in that approach exposes what a pseud you are
>>151126566thistired of opening a comic and getting bombarded with pretentious, infantile, snarky dialog, stale art and poorly paced storylines that go absolutely nowhere. death to western comics
>>151126544They do, but the trade off is that they're forced to slave over their work more to meet mostly weekly deadlines. Urasawa, Otomo, Tezuka, Nagai, etc all had creative freedom. The key is giving these creators the ability to actually showcase their craft. Unfortunately I don't think many currently active newer comic writers are of the caliber that Moore, Ennis, Miller, Gaiman, Morrison, Ellis, Milligan, early Sim were. Another problem is that Spider-Man is immensely popular but editorial fucking hates 616 Peter so they're actively chasing away fans. Also nobody but people in the hobby are spending 5 dollars on floppies. It's unsustainable at that price when the trades are cheaper. Before Viz's slight price increases you could get a volume of Chainsaw Man for 10 dollars which is only 5 dollars more than your average floppy. The American comics market needs to pivot to survive in this current landscape because as it stands I imagine their older stuff sells way more than their newer stuff.
>>151126636WrongWestern comics are shit. But comics as a medium have as much potential as manga, because manga are also comics.People do not rant and complain about things they don't care about, they complain about things they care dearly about. Comics are being absolutely squandered by the oversatuation of capeshit.We are calling for a come to reason across the industry. To stop doing this insane nonsense and start copying the common sense good ideas that manga is doing.
>>151126658I don't care how many tiny unknown titles you try to dig up. It's obviously not the general practice of the industry, therefore it's meaningless.They haven't learned these lessons even remotely.
But don't think even for a picosecond is immune executive asshaberdashery. We all know of Akira Toriyama having to deal with his editors monkeying with the Cell and Buu sagas.
>>151126669You didn't even try did you?
>>151126669Kys, weebtroon
>>151126669what manga do you actually like in a way that isn’t deliberately ironic or detached, and who’s your favorite character
I think we need to see the full mainstream return of comic MAGAZINES, back then you had a lot of them, dedicated to different niches, superhero, horror, sci-fi, young, noir thrillers, adult oriented, erotic.you could buy one magazine following your niche/taste and discover lots of artists or stories you'd like to follow, and later on buy the compilations if they proved popular enough, it is the same manner of which manga works in Japan, and it's still, for the most part, prevalent in the UK with publications like 2000AD.Not to mention, being able to sell magazines like that is cheaper than a full graphic novel or compilation, there's less commitment needed from both the publisher, merchant and consumer.
>>151126684The only reason you yourself know about Invincible is because of the Amazon series because you never cared for comics to begin withInvincible lasted longer than expected but it was nowhere near the huge seller you're making it to beThe Walking Dead ran circles around it in sales even before AMC came along
>>151126713no, magazines are fucking horribleI don't want to buy a shitty floppy 20 pages piece of garbage.Sell me a book, 150-300 pages, something that can actually sit on a shelf
>>151126724It may be the best selling comic, but its sales are so low that it's not really worth distinguishing the difference between Invincible or the Walking Dead. They're both absolutely miniscule properties
I DON'T CARE HOW DEAD THE WESTERN INDUSTRY IS, I AM NOT WATCHING/READING WEEB SLOP
>>151126684Okay jackass, what are the other comics that DON'T renumber and DON'T do crossovers doing poorly then?
>>151126745Anime is mainstream, infact it's now bigger than Hollywood, you're a minority, your opinion is disregardable
>>151126743>They're both absolutely miniscule propertiesYou were the one hyping Invincible up as the series the industry should learn from you moron
>>151126766The entire industry is miniscule. But Invincible, despite it still being worthless capeshit, just happened to have the good sense not to copy all of the industry's flaws, and it became top of the molehill for that virtue.
>>151126781>top of the molehill for that virtue.Except Invincble isn't even this big outlier you're making out to beThe only thing that makes it different is that it got a popular animated series years after it ended
>>151126713exactly this
>>151126812I don't care for your arguments, because you're motivations are to defend what is not worth defending. You should reconsider your position. Manga objectively better than comics in evey possible way. Comics should make desperate attempts to copy it in every way that can if they wish to avoid total bankruptcy
>>151126765>Anime is mainstreamSome very specific shows are mainstream. Show them literally anything that goes out their definition of acceptable shows and they'll see you the same way they saw anime fans back then.
>>151126713This would actually help
>>151126765>infact it's now bigger than HollywoodThis is what latinx actually believe.
>>151126857>no anime is not mainstream!>except here where anime is mainstreamWhat a stupid post
>>151126875No that's just statistics
>>151126879the venn diagram of anime that normgroids like and anime that weebs like is almost two circles
>>151126896You have no facts to even remotely back that up
This has the same vibe as discordtrannies pushing their interracial fetish onto everything. There's that notable denial of reality while claiming to be delivering the harsh reality.
Shitty repeat tribal bait thread relying on cropped screencaps and parroting misleading "data analysis" by a blogger. You don't have to forcefully frame this as an US VS THEM thing like a twitter account desperately farming engagement for pennies.
>>151126853DidYouTry
>>151126913you tell yourself that, greasy
>>151126924>did you try eating shit
>>151126923go on then, provide statistics that refute the claims that manga outsells comics almost 10:1
>>151126923We don't need data. The proof is the fact comic book shops are in decline & manga fills up every bookstore in shelf space for a decade now.
>>151126930>I know nothing about this subject but I will pretend to be an expert on it
>>151126970exclusively*
you don’t like manga, you like shonenslop instead of the good shit
>>151126984>The janny is a tranny who hates anime because he hates anything that is goodWhy are you on this board?
>>151126970Contrary to what OP >>151126984 is saying, the majority of mods are weebs and just don't care about the non-weeb boards. Ask any /sp/erg.
>>151126443>>CAPESHIT JAPAN!Luv me Jap capeshit.Luv me balloon tits.Simple as.
>>151127002Your personal taste is irrelevant. What matters is what actually sells and supports an industry
>>151126970The sad thing is these threads are the only active discussion threads related to comics. Once this goes, the comic threads that survived being ignored by these so-called comic fans will still be full of crickets and devoid of replies. They'll die unceremoniously, as the comic fans up in arms in this thread will crawl back into the woodwork, only to be seen again when the next East v West thread pops up.Even sadder is that this isn't even close to the worst on the catalog. There are at least 20 threads that deserve to be deleted before this one, arguably many more. Those will very likely outlive this one.
>>151127054It's been said before /co/ DOES have Anons who care about comics (even past capeshit) but our tastes are so varied and scattered that we can't sustain a threadThe reason why the arguments last here is because calling out people pretending to know about comics IS the one thing we all share
>>151127099>you just don't UNDERSTAND comicsit's not that complicated. They're just picture books. Manga is no different, except the stories and art in manga are actually good, while the stories and art in comics are shit. That's all there is to it.
>>151127103behold, a comic fan
>>151127024based Tackle chad god I hope she gets ryoaned at some point, all I know is that she pisses herself in fear at some point
>>151127118>while the stories and art in comics are shit.What have you read?
My favorite character is Bejita
>>151127168>in your quarantine zone,The Death Battle threads?
>>151127168Unable to refute your opponent in an argument, but instead resorting to violence is a tacit surrender
>>151126664Kek, they don't. Unless it's shonen shit most works get rejected, and even then they get sanitized as fuck. A 75% of Dragon Ball Z was made up by the editor, the amount of control would've made Alan Moore kill himself
>>151127187>Unable to refute your opponent in an argumentPeople have given you MULTIPLE arguments and you refuse to accept them through "Nuh uh" logicWe know comics as an industry has sufferedWe know manga sells moreWhat people in this thread are calling you out is equating Marvel/DC problems with comics in general's problems
>>151127214Marvel and DC is all of comicsThey're shit. Manga outsells them because they're shit
>>151126566the old comics are the ones worth keeping,they should just not take new ones.
>>151126602So why is Dave Sim’s Cerberus not a mainstream title?
>>151127248Because it's shit
>>151127231>Marvel and DC is all of comics>People point out that isn't the case>You throw out "nuh uh" logic
>>151127257Is the Minecraft Movie a cinematic masterpiece?
>>151127228>>151127247OP is making an observation on the state of the comic industry, and I think it is inspiring interesting discussion, unlike your horse scat porn and text spam
>>15112726199% is good enough, I don't care about edge cases
You just know this nigga is a fiend for steamcharts threads on /v/
>>151127248It's too schizo for mainstream audiences, same reason something like Soil will never be mainstream.Although the excessive child abuse/rape in the latter also ensures it'll never be mainstream.
>>151127248It was until he had his breakdown.
>>151127276It's a good deal better tahn Cerebus. Atleast it sells
>>151127279>99% is good enough,99% of sales (which isn't even the case) doesn't mean 99% of volumeEven within this year the amount of non-Marvel/DC comics released through the direct market is nowhere near 1%
>>151126970/co/ is weirdly a culture war trench where about 95% of active threads are some form of outrage bait
>>151127297They're basically 99% of volume also
>>151127295By that logic Zeb Wells' ASM must be better than the vast majority of comics coming out of the time
>>151127295based zoomchad
>>151127308Then how come Image alone releases almost as many single issues as Marvel and DC per month?
>>151127309No you don't understand.That didn't sell well, therefore it's shit
>>151127333Why don't you go to a comic book store and tell me what percentage of the comics there are Marvel and DC
>>151127320Regardless of the intent of the thread I think posts like this >>151126713 are genuinely good insights into how the industry can move forward in a changing landscape. Also are you sure you don't just get off to shitting horses?
>>151127354Marvel and DC are still a large part of every LCS I visit but even for new releases there's still plenty of variety from the other publishersMarvel and DC are majority but it's nowhere near 99%
>>151127362>can move forwardIs this your first time here?Are you a newfag?Mate every argument here is the same regurgitated one from the last East vs West thread and the one before that and the one before that and the one before that and so on, so forth
>>151127099It's bait, friend. No matter what you say, they'll keep saying the same things and keep making the threads, as long as you are here to argue with them. Again, worse than that is our own /co/mrades are so much worse than this b/a/it. /co/ will keep the worst threads in the world alive forever because mods don't care about this place. At least there's discussion here. Other threads are just total garbage, many times off-topic.Even I'm guilty of falling for this shit. In my futile attempts to reason with you, I was distracted, I let a comic thread die, and in doing so let a terrible thread live (some dogshit thread was necrobumped).This retard spamming the pony scat is constantly bumping the thread.This is all very frustrating, so I'm going to leave now. It's your choice to keep this thread going or let it rot. I'd love discussion in other, better threads, but it never fucking happens.
capeshit will live, mainstream American comics are dying. Comics are a pretty terrible medium for most people to engage with superheroes.
>>151127387I never really engage with the more outright East vs West threads so I thought this one was different. I read the post as more of a "everyone is buying everything in the store BUT comics" since he mentioned Warhammer too but I suppose that's a fairly charitable reading. It was the mention of Warhammer too which made me feel like this one wasn't just coming from a manga vs comics perspective.
.....I think OP left
I don't really watch anime, or read manga. Or watch cape shit.Got any suggestions? The last anime I sat down and watched was the original Tenchi Muyo and Digimon.
>>151127364>>151127382>>151127403At some point next year, I'm going to become a Janny myself. This schizo shits ridiculous. I mean Image Dumps, Pony Scat, Adventure Tranny? You called that moderation 4chan mods?
>>151127413>>151127426>>151127444>>151127440Don't ever reply to me or I'll punch your horse face off.
>>151127435For anime, you'd probably like Medarot if you're still down for kid stuffFor comics?Any shows you like?>>151127440It's disgusting but can you blame him?This thread was already awful to begin with and /co/ doesn't need more East vs West spam period
It's a shame only japan is inhumane enough to impose the terrible deadlines and schedules manga magazines are known for. You can find good-ish stuff in the indie scene but the authors are not obligated to actually wrap up their story. Even Image is more of a 'come when you feel like publishing' kind of deal.
It has come to my awareness, that the kinds of people who like comics, and the kinds of people who like manga must be mutually exclusive, because comics and manga are so polar opposite to eachother on such objective grounds that it cannot be possible for one to like both.
>>151126365There's more /a/ media, so you're more likely to find something that tickles your balls.
>>151127460>>151127472>>151127467Kill yourself in the road.
>>151127469These threads could be good, theoretically very good.>>151127479I like both.
>>151127479What are mangaka who read western comics then and western comic artists/writers who read manga then?
Ooh Ow!Someone posted MLP horse scat porn in the middle of a blue board.
>>151127505>These threads could be good, theoretically very good.Except it's the same discourse over and over and over againPeople like OP DON'T want comics to get better and yet will still pretend to know the entirety of comics
>>151127479I mean, I like a bit of both, but I tend to lean way more on the manga side since I'm a (non-homosexual) weirdo and manga tends to get a lot weirder than comics.
>>151127522I was Backseating as a janitor of 4chan's Comics and Cartoons board.
>>151127545Ponies are for >>>/mlp/, not /co/. And you are getting caught by Barney the Dinosaur.
>>151127514Honestly can'y say i know many that do. At least for the manga side. I know Kazuki Takahashi (the YGO guy) was a spawn fan because he made a homage in his manga. And i know a ROD LN writer was dorectoy inspired by The Dark Knight Return to make ROD Rehabilitation. But other than that, yeah, not much comes to mind.
>>151127561Sorry!
>>151127572Horikoshi, Arakawa, and Nightow like HellboyNot a mangaka to my knowledge but the Majora's Mask artist also liked Hellboy and said its artstyle might have influenced how he shaded the artwork for the gameTrigger is also FULL of westaboos who are into comics
>>151127580Hey Backseat Janny. Kys.
>>151127593What's all that racket?
>>151127610Boom Boom boom boom.
>>151127629Barney's on a rampage over ponies!
>>151127469Dont judge me too harshly but for shows, cartoon wise, I like Adventure Time, Star vs., Cleopatra in Space, the classic BTAS and Superman, the Spiderman ones from the 1990s up to Spectacular. For live action, the Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Smallville, Charmed, the war of the worlds, and the like. All boring, I know, but they've got a charm to them. Except season 6-8 of GoT. That was just a slog.
>>151127643Vrooooooooooooommmmmm!
>>151127680King CityCodaAkikoAndi Watson comicsOphiuchusLittle NemoShark Hunters
>>151127680>SopranosIf you're into crimes comics, you can't go wrong Brubaker's work
>>151127435Kaiji is an all around great mix of comedy and thrill with a healthy dose of drama. A very charismatic protagonist that is an all around good guy, but is no saint and will kick back when prompted, and is willing to claw his way out of hell. All of this while a rich guy talks down about how he wasted his life.
>East v. West tranny demoralization thread #5000255810Okay buddy
>>151127629https://youtu.be/bSQwA77V5bs
>>151127680You'd probably enjoy Zot by Scott McCloud
>>151127688BAM! >>151127762 Hi Cauli!
>>151127785Zooooom!
>>151125856I think its also just hard to sell any comic that's too mature to for an elementary school Book Fair. Kids just kinda stop reading books or comics as soon as adults give up not allowing them to stare at screens all day
>>151126879>Deliberately missing the point this badlyFace facts trannoids, the normies are only "liking" what the brief social fad allows them to like. Anon is A1 right, if you show these fags something even slightly off the beaten path of BnH, KnY, Naruto, etc the best reaction is a blank, somewhat disapproving look.Not that you actually care of course, you're just a minnow following a much larger fish and feeding off of its shit. I don't think there's anything in this world that you actually genuinely enjoy
>>151127805Zoooooooooom!
>>151126896Yeah but why does that matter at all to the previous discussion. People always flock to a small number of mega popular things
Surprised by this thread not having been deleted
>>151127822Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!
>>151126292Adaptations, most of /co/ ones are reimaginings
>>151127728>>151127744>>151127760Oh yeah, I'm writing all these down and will check out the LGS. They sell manga and comics too. Lot of indie comics, and even some from the local area.I also play a lot of Battletech. Any manga like that?
>>151127839Nananananana
>>151127833There are off-topic, /pol/, porn and fetish threads that never get deleted. But then there are threads that aren't that bad that do get deleted.Shit's worse than ever.
>>151127847Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!
>>151127858Raaaaaaaaah!
>>151127871Eeeeeeeeeeeee!
>>151127891Boom!
>>151127910Shit! Woooooh!
>>151127846>Any manga like that?Front Mission Dog Life and Dog Style
>>151127944Woooooooooooooooooooh!
>>151127973
Mods are worthless nigger faggot trash
Are comics expensive just because the better paper print? or the companies just want bigger proffits per issue sold?how much cheaper could the books be if they start printing them in cheap paper and give you more pages like the manga books do.
>>151127983BANG!
>>151126729what if they experiment with the cheap magazines, but once it proof success, they just make an omnibus?
>>151128004Boom boom boom! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
>>151126292Its been said multiple time that basiclly all fo editorial in the big 2 are old fuck who have run out of drive but linger because they have no other skill and need the money.And the overseers don't care because comics are a drop in the bucket in comparison to other endeavors.
The better question.What can we do to kill marvel and dc and let someone else take their place?
>>151128032Beep Beep! Vroom! Vroom! Honk! Bang!
>>151128057The death of their sugardaddy companies, or the public domain.Wonder Woman is nearly hitting in Europe.
>>151128081ALL THESE FUCKING SUPERHERO MOVIES.
>>151125758This Op doesnt even read or watch demon slayer, he doesn't care about comics or manga, just being a faggot
>>151126970because /co/ is an underdog who needs to fight to prove themselves /a/ doesn't need to argue because it has already won...
>>151126970mods are faggots, more news at eleven
>>151128094AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
>>151128110>>151128121>>151126970
>>151128151[Barking while /co/ is under fire]
>>151128171
Gotta love how any thread that can include discussion just devolves into shitposting.
>>151128185Weewoo weewoo weewoo. BOOM!
>>151128219OP didn't want discussion
>>151128233DUCK! DUCK!
>>151125710wow you either buy vol 1 of the latest series for $10-15 or you can pay $60 for a random collection of batman issues that you wont even know are good unless you bought them for $8.99 each previously
>>151128249Wak! What it is Owl?
>>151128263All of /co/'s been destroyed after Little Bear started becoming a Backseat Janny and posts Ponies pooping. Because of that Barney has been summoned by him and destroyed /co/.
>>151125799This is not representative as it is through specialized comic book stores. Manga can be bought as Walmart, Target, Barns and Nobles, etc.
>>151128284[Gasp] That's terrible Owl. You know I can't live in an post-apocalyptic world. Hey, what's that falling from the sky?
>>151128339Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>151128403Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!
>scholastic
>>151128426CRASH!
>>151128440
I guess these new jannies are still learning the ropes
>>151128462Juga?
>>151128445western cartoons>let's make this dude ugly because it's funnyanime>let's make every character look the same so nerds can beat off to them
>>151128481bbbbbbbb
>>151128499Shumadan!
>>151128507Juga! /co/! Dam Dam Dam!
Proud to have helped contribute to this. If these fucking companies wanted my money, they'd deliver a quality product. The nips do comics better. Full stop. Why in the unholy fuck would I give a penny to fucking Marvel?
>>151125710>>151125799>>151125843>>151126135>>151126163Kill yourself already, you waste of life.
>>151128520[Terminator theme plays]
>>151128483
>>151128564Hey everyone! I'm Mr. Beast and I'm giving you 10 million dollars to the last one to survive the apocaly [punch] That got rid of him easily.
>>151125710I'm Proto. Janny Proto! I'm sharp, I'm agile, and I'm fast at removing posts that are a bannable offense.
>>151128483Sex sells you dimwit.
>>151128601Oh did I really really really replied to OP by accident? I meant to reply to >>151128585. Sorry about that. It's just that I haven't done much removing since the hack happened. I'm one of the last ones standing. Pretty dark huh?
>>151128617you can do that with actual artstyle variety>e-erm but what about these animus with unique styles99% of weebs hate them
Does criticizing manga and anime lead to an improvement in the situation of comics and cartoons?
>>151128668Let's go see my boss. Maybe we can our top priority Mr. Morris.
>>151128745[random 80s-like midi music plays] MOCKERY MAN!
>>151125710And nothing, absolutely nothing of value was lost. Maybe the westoid industry shoulda focused on expanding their horizons on stories outside and past capeshit genre, instead of trying to cash in on fuckin broke communist and socialist fag wokies who barely make up the market. Meanwhile, fuckin isekai mogs capeshit. It's almost like westoids abandoned their male audience wholesale and shamed them, and then they just went to a different industry and genre that actually caters to them, fucking kek.
>>151128121wow you sure show them by never getting laid /a/sshole
>>151128766Boss. Ever since Mr. Morris' disappearance, our mods have been worse at their jobs. Even with this Barney-pocalypse going on, we can't take down this east vs west thread because OP is trapped there.
>>151128429>the passive aggresive bitch with a small white penis
>>151128903I understand, but Mr. Morris is likely out in the wild. But even without him, we might fire more of our jannies.
>>151128955But maybe there might be a cha...
>>151128992DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!?!?!?!?! IF YOU CAN'T FIND HIM AND IF YOU MESSED UP BADLY, I WILL HAVE TO LET...........
Comics didn't improve during Covid, it ain't gonna get better.
>>151128992........... The bike cuck do the job?
>>151129070Fuck this I'm outta here!
>>151128219Sad state of /co/, really. You don't even need these threads to expose how awful western media has become.No shows are worth talking about unless you like lesbians.
>>151129090Then I look for him now too. [whistling] BANG!
>>151129114What was that noise?
>>151129136
What if... fun things are fun?
>>151129149They found u......
>>151126713I toyed with the idea of a weekly Phantom magazine printing the swedish and australian adventures. Every issue would be 100 pages and have 2-3 adventures plus some backing titles. Variant covers kept to a minimum, a Walmart cover at most. Ads could be printed on the back cover. This thing could run for ten years, as a weekly delivered by mail, before catching up.Yeah, ten years of backlog.
>>151129215Boooooooooooooo-OOOOM!
>>151125710[fart] Actually I do look rather appetizing.
>>151129295Oops replied to OP instead of >>151129272. Man I have inconsistant bad luck and bad grammar even in this roasted state.
>>151129323So that's why I organized this team. Right dawg?
>>151129378Gas guy?
>>151125761>if you compare the sales of the whole world vs one country, then one country gets btfoNo shit.
>>151129388Kid who is pretend to be a Fish Dude. You in?
>>151129421Colonel? Guessing that's a yes?
>>151126189>In the west,>it's capeshit.Only if you close your eyes and say "the west" is exclusively America.
>>151129446Uncle Grandpa? Hi, can I get a....... Oh! I'm in!
>>151129478Bucky Katt?
>>151129505
>>151126145Yeah but hold the phone here. Behind the Trees is doing well because of a prior Webtoon release which is what I'm guessing accounts for a large bulk of comics being sold.That's where I'm seeing a lot of Western comics going now. It's like "e-celeb I like made comic", "webcomic now print edition" and of course the existing "comic tie-in/spin-off which expands lore."
>>151129529Gnome?
>>151125710That comic store must suck ass, I know at least 4 comic shops in my city surviving on Warhammer and board games. The shit that kills stores are ridiculous prices these days.
>>151129573How about you Adam?
>>151129631How 'bout you Joel and Fr.....
>>151125710Don't care. Still reading capeKINO!!
>>151129705So let's........ huh?Hello hello hello?
>>151127489You know what? That's a good opinion since it's simple but makes sense. And I've already considered it, but there's still so much trash. Maybe it's slightly true for anime, because most good animation in the US comes from Americans uploading their work on the internet. I can't believe that more "animation fans" aren't asking for new shows and movies that aren't made for children. But I will never accept it for manga. American underground comics exist. And they were even better in the last century. Even Marvel and DC were publishing amazing, must read works. Denying what I wrote about comics would mean that you're blind and refuse to accept the truth.And I just talked about the US
>>151129890So you're saying we had to get your brother here too? I didn't even know you lived here.
>>151129560>prior webtoon releaseThe first miniseries did well before the webtoon release you turd
>>151129963Just act quietly and........DING DONG INTENSIFIES
If only you worked this hard to spam all shitty off-topic threads. You being this selective tells me you're part of the problem, partaking in some of the rule-breaking in other ways (other than spamming). Hypocrite.
>>151125856So this is what defeats the entire western hemisphere
>>151129973
>>151130002woooooop
>>151130021Eye Pop!
>>151130023Woosh
>>1511300293! 2! 1!
>>151130031Crash!
>>151130039
>>151130042
>>151130053
I think I had enough. Let's just say there's plane chase scene, Bike Cuck gets a girlfriend, they find Mr. Morris, There's an evil Barney, Little Bear survived, OP's thread is deleted, and there's a dance party ending scene. Really screencap worthy minus the whole "really needed to become a janny" part before all of this.Tldr: I rather face the ban.
>>151125856Reminder that toddler comics are called "Young Adult" in Pedomerica.
>>151125896Ichi the Witch isn't an anime (yet). Do it again
>>151127479If the paneling/pacing doesn't feel off I can get into comics too.
>>151125710All right, first of all bonnie, comic books have been dying since the 90's either they die or they don't
>>151127479Less to do with that and more that the people believing in some sort of divide are the equivalent of screaming, childish picky eaters. Saw it in the old boomers who got upset about manga and bragging about comics, and seeing it in the young zoomers upset about comics and bragging about manga. Neither side are worth taking seriously.
>>151126077I think what westerns don't understand about manga is it's a form of disposable entertainment like what comics used to be. It's why they're pretty cheap.
>>151128244This thread had discussion, before the spam
>>151130819Yes, the boomer also really hated TMNT too.
>>151130001>50% of men are gay so of course Harold must have been gay all alongDav Plikey you let me down...
Seeing capeshitters spaz out and get buck broken is always a treat.
>>151125843>In manga, the mangaka is both the writer and the artist.>In comics, the writer and artist are two different people, yet they still take longer to release an issue than a mangaka!I understand that this method worked when Stan Lee was young, because they would simply draw scenes randomly and then add dialogue to make sense.But this system is obsolete and inefficient; it's hurting us!
>>151131457Even manga has writer-artist duos, I think the problem is that the current art is too heavy, to both read and draw.
>>151131516Yeah but the "writer" is often doesn't get any credit. It's more like the Mangaka and their assistants. The only time the writer gets any credit if the manga is based on the webnovel.
>>151125856Dog Man outsold manga too you disingenuous fucktard
>>151131516Okay, artists put way too much effort into a page that, frankly, most of us will only look at once.I understand that the art is dense in a comic like Batman Asylum, where the story relies heavily on the art, but most comics are generic stories that don't really need such detailed art.
>>151131567Maybe in the us (a small market) and he didn't outsell all of manga.
>>151131573The problem is the scene composition, the characters look like statues.
>>151131547Are you retarded?
Threads like these are black holes
>>151131547Mangaka and assistants is a process that makes sense. Its basically a master/apprenticeship situation. The American separation of writing from drawing means you pick your lane and don't get a lot of practical experience doing both which means there's a fundamental disconnect between them which is just as perceived by the audience who notice every time people start talking differently or the book suddenly looks different.
Comics are so dead they are barely discussed on this board anymore.>>151131547For better or worse, Sandrovich seems to get enough credit for the manga he writes.
>>151131410Fuck off you babbling retard.
Say fellas, what are some good 'pick up and read' comics? No important story in tie-ins, no knowledge from 30 years ago runs needed. Just read from issue #1 (or 0/prologue) to the end and leave satisfied.
>>151132043Current Hulk run by PKJ.
>>151131969Cry more, capebab.
It's incredible how many ignorant people post on a comics and cartoons board when you think they would be knowledgeable about the topic they're discussing.
>>151125710OP you just absolute lost:>Absolute Batman Annual Sells Multiple Copies On eBay For $30 Each>A variety of DC K.O. titles to receive new printings>MARVEL/DC: DEADPOOL/BATMAN #1 receives a third printing>Over 100K copies of TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES #13 ordered>more form the Absolute line including a ninth printing of Absolute Batman #1
Man this thread is dookie fresh.
>>151132309WOWMULTIPLE?!
>>151130001Oh how validating. I began to notice that this series was focused on normalizing an adult getting naked around some kids and here we have race mixing, gay marriage+ adoption all on one page.
>>151132043Amelia Rules
The spammer kept this thread alive. How ironic.
