>>151128797
Faggy

>>151128866
XD

>>151128797
something dignified that has nothing to do with vaginas. like cuntney. or goochtrude

>>151128797
Dickerina.

>>151128797
Vagatha in honor of Sir Pen

>>151128797
Vaggie's an ungrateful bitch. Her name was given to her with love. Love of Vagina.

>>151128797
We already did this thread the other day, I don't remember what we eventually decided on, but she wouldn't like it.

>>151128797
Vaggie morningstar because she proposes to Charlie

>>151128797
I mean they're clearly not going to change her name

>>151129618
why do you think not?

Did anyone save the leaked song?

>>151128797
Boobie.

>>151130228
They'd have to redo all the merch because Viv's fans are crazy enough that they won't just use both names interchangably without being accused of deadnaming

>>151131074
https://files.catbox.moe/453puh.mp4

>>151128797
I’m really hoping she gets over her name quest and sticks with Vaggie. She’s only doing it because she thinks she’s obligated to do it to distance herself from Adam. But it’s clear she doesn’t want to let go with the way she keeps suggesting names that start with Vag that can be shortened to Vaggie anyway.

Hopefully at the end of the season she’ll do a little speech about how she can’t undo the fact that Adam was a part of her life and she accepts that now, and how she finally understands that she controls her own identity whether she changes her name or not. Or something gay like that.

In a tv show it’s weird for a main character’s name to change after the start of the second season. It’s not like it can’t ever be done satisfactorily, but here in particular it feels pointless and offputting.

>>151131299
What if it’s a big scheme to get them all to buy new merch to replace all the oldmerch?

>>151131348
Yes, discount dolls to the trunk of anon's car, we are sight seeing to the farmer's market

>>151131340
Frankly I feel like they're going to pull a "You're dead naming me!" at some point.

>>151128797

This show is higjly satanic it has DEMONS and fallen angles in it

>>151128797
Gina

>>151131595
Good

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>>151131310

Honestly speaking, does everything need to have a fucking song to it, I know I shouldn't be surprised given this is a Broadway musical at this point but my god the songs are starting to grate due to the sheer number of them.

>>151128797
Pussie

>>151132214
Theatre kids were a mistake
>>151131340
It's as poorly done as how DreamWorks changed Minion's name in the Doom Syndicate to Chum.

>>151128797
I just don't get why she's doing this NOW. surely if she was going to reject the name Adam gave her, she would have done so as soon as she fell from Heaven in the first place. though I suppose she technically did, changing the pronunciation from vag-gie to vagg-ie, but that fact just makes all this seem even more pointless

>>151131508
This very well may happen, yeah.

The main reason I don’t have perfect hope that Vaggie will keep her name is because a lot of queer people watch this show. And a lot of them genuinely have changed their names to disassociate themselves from their abusers, or their “abusers.” And plenty of that group could whine and cry if it turns out Vaggie’s experiences with her name aren’t a perfect 1:1 to theirs like they could want and expect it to be.

Starting this character arc in the first place was already a mistake. I guess they took the criticism that Vaggie is kind of a bland character and wanted to give her something to do, but this was a bad choice.

Watching the leaked song made me go back and watch the Cherri episode of season 1. She's the fag spider's friend and barely knows Pentious. Guess they decided to increase her role in season 2.

Spider really should've been cut after the pilot.

The people who say that Alastor would have no character arc had he stayed the same as he was in the Pilot are retarded. The whole point of his character as introduced is that he doesn't take shit seriously, he's a jovial powerful jackass who just wants to fuck around because he can. His arc would've been that slowly he gets invested in the Hotel and starts actually giving a shit about it. The issue with the actual show is that now he's turned into a petty little bitch who cares way too fucking much about nothing. The best example of what his character could've been is the fifth episode where he sacrifices his friendship with Mimzy somewhat to actually protect the Hotel and has a meme rivalry with Lucifer. The issue with the latter part though is that it's now undercut by the fact that he unironically seethes about Lucifer for no reason and clearly is invested in this retarded rivalry he created. He's no longer the very fun character he was, now he's just perpetually seething and asshurt about everything. At least Vivzie made the right move by revoking his status as a powerful character along with the personality change, because at least now it's still kind of funny. If he had his new personality plus the power, he would've been the most annoying and boring character in the show.

>>151132569
>His arc would've been that slowly he gets invested in the Hotel and starts actually giving a shit about it
You're really trying to say that the most prototypical Christmas shit about catching feelings because the warm and fuzzy atmosphere is something you like? Are you a 50 years old woman?

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Definitely just a coincidence but in the pilot
>Many have speculated what unimaginable force enabled him to rival our world's most ancient and destructive evils
With Rosie behind him in the shot

>>151132681
If it means that we could've kept the aloof and jovial guy we had in the PIlot? Sure. It's not like he has to suddenly change at the end to be warm and nice, but you can give him an arc where he actually decides to commit to a responsibility he bestowed upon himself for the first time in his life (and afterlife), giving him a purpose. There are plenty examples of characters who warm up to people, but still keep their edge and aren't neutered personality-wise. Hell, you can even make him the ultimate challenge for redemption at the end of it too, so the show can follow through with its concept. I'm not particularly upset with the direction they've taken Alastor in the actual show, it's just that he's no longer a character I can say I actually like. As long as he continuously gets humiliated, it's fine.

>>151132787
Anon, a flawless character is boring. Boring to watch and even more boring to write. I know it seems cool on paper but it's not, if you want a character to be part of the main cast you have to give them flaws and make them fail. Besides, I know it's just a personal preference of mine, but the kind of character arc you described is just average and not interesting. Why should he start to care, why should he decide to commit? He's already at the top, why should he decide to change?

So who is going to stream the episodes tomorrow?

>>151132935
But he's not flawless. His detached nature is an obstacle to Charlie. There's a million ways that he can struggle in the Pilot. Hell, I literally mentioned one that I liked, which was his struggle with his commitment to Mimzy. It showed that he had to do some actual reflection and decide on his priorities. He might be the most powerful in Hell, but the Hotel is something way out of his depth that he thinks he can apply the same bullshit he always does, but then finds it doesn't work the same way. I'm not asking for him to not struggle in his duties, I'm just asking for him to not throw a shit-fit, give up and then get hung up on the pettiest shit. He's obviously still prideful, but maybe he's a perfectionist, and the reason he commits is because he actually is struggling and wants to prove he still has what it takes when it comes to dealing with anything thrown his way (without him being a catty bitch about it). Ironically enough, an example of him being overpowered as shit in a really boring way is in the first episode where he was tasked on making the commercial. Instead of seeing him deal with something he's never dealt with before and trying to apply his normal way of operating and then having to adjust when it doesn't work, he's instead begged by Vaggie for half the episode and the snaps his fingers and it's done. Being at the top leads to boredom, which is exactly what prompted him to join the Hotel, and if he can't manage something he sees as pointless fun, then he's kind of undermining the fact that he really can do anything, driving him to commit. On top of all of this, we can still have him getting fucked over power-wise which leads to him truly questioning himself. Just have it happen later in the story and by that time he's integrated himself into the Hotel quite a bit, that this ego shattering poses a real problem to the rest of the cast. You have ways you can take this character that don't involve him constantly throwing a bitch fit.

>>151132935
>>151133093
>There's a million ways that he can struggle retaining his Pilot personality
Is what I meant. Point is, the opposition he faces isn't the real issue (though that too would have to be changed to make it more compelling), it's the way he reacts to it.

Also, if you're still not convinced that he would partake in managing the Hotel, then you can still retain his ulterior motives and wanting to get close to Charlie as incentive. Like I said, there are choices you can have with this character that don't force him to devolve into what he is in the actual show.

>>151128797
>>151131074
>>151131595
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>>151133157
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>>151131508
Technically, in Hell, the name you had in life is your deadname.

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Alastor fans don't have to clap like a seal whenever he's being smacked around but him actually encountering struggles he can't just smirk and magic away is a lot more interesting than him standing in the background for four seasons and suddenly going "omg I'm attached to this group of freaks". That was in fact the biggest concern surrounding his character prior to the show's release to the point where it became a running joke with the critics and it sounds like his fans who are crying now bought into that. Having Alastor have real struggles now will make it more satisfying when he overcomes them. And it's not like there still isn't room for him to bond with the hotel gang and for him to become torn between choosing them and what he thinks he really wants.

I don't know what's with the sudden resurgence of pilot-glazing, but the idea that you guys figured everything out about his character from it OR that his pilot writing is all that there is to him is pretty unbelievable. His backstory, that he just showed up one day and started taking out Overlords, is the same. And if they did decide "hey this isn't actually an interesting or compelling character to watch"? Then that's good. I was ready to write Alastor off completely and just wait for his "shocking" betrayal to come but now I'm actually interested to see what he'll do.

>>151133093
>Just have it happen later in the story and by that time he's integrated himself into the Hotel quite a bit
While I agree on that one, the problem here comes from lack of show time and the need to sell the story. We are simply introduced to the characters and then the plot rushes forward, so we can't familiarise with them and they can't with each other from our point of view. That is because Viv needed a high stake plot to get more seasons out of Amazon, so we got the exterminations and Adam first instead of gradually introducing the world we're in and the characters.
>his ego shattering poses a real problem to the rest of the cast
It's exactly what we have here? He punched way out of his league because of his inflated ego and now he has to deal with it, dragging the entire hotel behind him since we know they'll get involved in his mess. I mean, you really think pilot Alastor would have just laughed his injury off?

>>151132214
>Honestly speaking, does everything need to have a fucking song to it
Yes, it's a musical show, DUH. If the songs bother you, watch literally anything else that isn't a musical to the core.

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>>151133262
Exactly this

>>151133262
>>151133269
But what struggles is he encountering that actually matter? And how is the Hotel struggling because of it? Right now he's done fuck all for the Hotel outside of a commercial and the only relevance he has on the plot is the fact that Charlie owes him through their deal (which he only got using information that Alastor didn't even really uncover himself). He comes off as so utterly pathetic, wanting people to care about the fact that he was gone for seven years or his rivalry with Lucifer that he's actually invested in for some reason (Lucifer is the reason he leaves the Hotel by the way, because he fucking called him "Bambi"). As it stands, Alastor provides nothing to the plot outside of him getting shit on. The second guy clearly didn't read my post, because I outlined exactly what Alastor should struggle with and it's not power or his pride, it's managing the Hotel. No shit Alastor would've been genuinely affected by Adam fucking him up, but it's way less impactful due to the fact that he was never properly built up as an actual threat. Him being taken down in that moment should've been both a sobering moment for him and the audience that there are bigger fish, but as it stands, I don't give a shit about him coping about it, because the show didn't do anything to sell me on the fact that I should see this as a big moment for him. Also, again, Alastor leaving does fuck all for the Hotel, they can easily survive without him. The only thing that might be affected is that Charlie gets a little sad. I want to see Alastor struggle with the choice he made in managing the Hotel, I want to see him be a crucial asset to it and not get genuinely worked up over the slightest inconvenience. I have no reason to root for this guy, because as it stands, he's a piece of shit with an overblown ego who gets humiliated by the plot (as funny as it is) and reacts very poorly because he cares too much about insignificant nonsense (continued next post).

Anyone have the cytube link (in a spoiler or link) from last weeks stream?
I assume it'll get posted again, maybe in new thread in a few hours.

>>151133957
Instead I would've loved to see a guy who reached his peak choose to do something out of boredom, and genuinely struggle with it because it's completely different to anything he's dealt with before and his pride doesn't let him give up (though he doesn't show it). Again, the most interesting character moment he's had is letting Mimzy go, because it's a struggle that's outside of coping about his own pride and power. All of his struggles within the actual show have nothing to do with managing the Hotel, he fucking knocks the commercial out of the park with a snap of his fingers. Instead his struggles come from external drama that he's petty over. Like you can't tell me you find Alastor unironically seething over Lucifer as more engaging than Alastor just fucking with him because he can.

>>151133957
>Right now he's done fuck all for the Hotel outside of a commercial
Ok, this meme is just stupid. Fucking Pentious was there because of him. They were able to defend the hotel because of his info and his connection with Rosie. The one who meant nothing in the grand scheme of things in the plot is pilot Alastor actually, for the reasons this guy said >>151133262

>>151134024
>Like you can't tell me you find Alastor unironically seething over Lucifer as more engaging than Alastor just fucking with him because he can.
I do, actually. I mean it is funny when Alastor manages to one-up him because it says something about both him (that he's willing to try and fuck with THE Lucifer) and Lucifer (who is insecure about his relationship with Charlie) but it's also funny when someone manages to piss him off because it is interesting to see what it is that set him off and how he reacts.
>I want to see him be a crucial asset to it and not get genuinely worked up over the slightest inconvenience
So it seems like you're mad that the truth is that Alastor actually never wanted to be part of the hotel and he's forced to be there because you think that clashes with the version of the character from the pilot.

>>151134113
>Pentious
He didn't bring Pentious in on purpose, he's literally only there because Vox made him go there. If Pentious arrived because Alastor was out on the streets advertising the Hotel, sure, I'd agree with you.
>Defense
Right and it's because he's the top dog in Hell and knows his way around things that don't involve actually managing a hotel, right? Good that you agree with me. No shit he would've always been able to defend the Hotel, he did against Pentious, because that's what he's good at, so he shouldn't struggle with that. Pilot Alastor is the one who spruced the place up in the first place, he brought in Husk and Niffty, he changed the name of the place. This was all in just the Pilot. And he does it all in a roundabout way, bringing in people who are chained to him to do his bidding, changing the name of the Hotel to something more derogatory (personally I think it should've remained as "The Happy Hotel" and arguing about the name change could've been sub-plot of an episode), Pilot Alastor bulldozes without any regard, doing things his way because he's earned his reputation and status, but the struggle would've come from the first time in his life being actually opposed and learning to adapt in his managing of the Hotel. Again, see Mimzy.
>>151134236
But anon, everything sets him off, the moment people don't kiss his feet he very obviously seethes about it. How am I supposed to view this guy as anything but pathetic? If he can easily get his ass kicked and has no real reason for his reputation, then I don't give a shit about what happens to him as a character. I'm not compelled that the reason he might turn on the Hotel is because his ego got rightfully bruised one too many times because he's genuinely a pathetic loser. You want an interesting character motivated by the chip on his shoulder? Look at Adam. Alastor is beyond lame in comparison.
>So it seems like you're mad that the truth
I'll respond to this in my next post.

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Lute's bitchout during EP2 is making me excited to see what else is in store for her for the rest of the season

>>151134351
Apparently not much

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>>151134383
Damn

>>151134236
>>151134329
Honestly, I'm struggling to reply here, because I don't even know what to say. Obviously Alastor never had any intentions of truly believing in the Hotel's cause, but whether for entertainment or because of ulterior motives, I'd expect him to handle himself with some sense of class. I never saw him as the type of guy who'd get so worked up over the slightest thing. If he was working towards some goal, he can't sweat the small stuff (like Lucifer's weak insults). When you're at the top, you don't need to prove yourself. The show knocked him off his pedestal and then still expects me to take him seriously as a character, getting mad over nothing. I'm sorry, but that's just not an interesting route for Alastor. If he becomes a big bad in the end, why the fuck should I care? He was a little bitch the whole time, he barely developed any relationships with the main cast, he contributed nothing, he'd a villain for the sake of being a villain and it's just not interesting. He wouldn't even be a fun one because of how hurt his meaningless pride would be.

>>151134329
>He didn't bring Pentious in on purpose
Of course, but we were talking about plot relevance, and as of now Alastor's plot relevance is second only to Charlie's and not even by much.
And if you really think seeing someone play idle manager in a magical hell setting would have been interesting be my guest, but don't think that would have gained HH 3 more seasons

>>151134383
why are they so fucking bad at pacing

>>151134483
>I'd expect him to handle himself with some sense of class. I never saw him as the type of guy who'd get so worked up over the slightest thing
That's how you saw him, and you're mad because your headcanon wasn't canonised. In reality we never saw him in a setting where he's not at the absolute top in the pilot, so we had no chance to know how he would have reacted. Actually, in the novel we see him at least glaring at Vox

>>151134483
>He was a little bitch the whole time
Again, not until someone higher up showed up
>he barely developed any relationships with the main cast
That one is called lack of screen time, even the main canon ship suffers from that
>he contributed nothing
Straight up wrong
>he'd a villain for the sake of being a villain
That would have been the pilot Alastor you have in mind. The actual one has all the reasons to snap, actually.
Really, no offence intended, but you come off as a whiny child who projected way too much on her comfort character and now is throwing a fit because they have struggles

>>151134351
>>151134383
>>151134536
I look at the song member akin to Alastor’s song in season 1 where the characters have an extreme overreaction to a particular event (Vox mocking Alastor on TV, Adam dying by a crazed Niffty that no one has any control of) and get water downed progressively from other factors.

Alastor and Lute aren’t that powerful.
Alastor’s confidence, presentation, and strength that he demonstrates in the song member is from being a big fish in a small pond, and when goes up to the bigger waters, we see that Hell and Heaven doesn’t even glimpse at him and his existence.
Likewise, Lute’s song about avenging Adam is based on her lack of bonds with the sinners in Hell that want to be redeemed, not distinguishing between Niffty, Pentious, and Lilith, and her lack of knowledge about Adam himself and his actual will. At some point, Lute will learn more about Adam and Hell to be more conflicted about her decisions.

>>151134532
Yes and I'm talking about Alastor being an active participant in the plot, which he barely is and when he is it's because Rosie has him on a leash. The only thing he actively decided to do was fuck with Vox and kick Mimzy out. Fucking Carmilla does more than him that impacts the plot. The issue with Alastor is forcing the Heaven stuff right away. If we had time for the Hotel to be built up and have the Vees as the initial antagonists, we would've had a grounded season where we can spend proper time with the characters and we can see Alastor do his job and any struggles that come with it.
>>151134577
>Actually he was supposed to be a shit and boring character the whole time
Okay, and? Bravo, Viv. You took a seemingly interesting character but revealed he was a lame loser. I don't understand your point here, nothing changes because he was retarded the whole time, kek. His portrayal in the Pilot was more fun and engaging, simple as.
>>151134620
>Again, not until someone higher up showed up
He was seething over none of the overlords respecting his return, he was revealed to not even have beaten Vox. The seeds of his catty pettiness were planted long before Lucifer showed up.
>That one is called lack of screen time
Chaggie sucks, but if fucking Guitarspear could be fairly compelling despite even less screentime, they could give Alastor a bit more than just him seething at Lucifer. Hell, they gave him a small moment with Niffty, they could've done more.
>Straight up wrong
Not an argument and also read my other posts.
>The actual one has all the reasons to snap, actually.
And it's compelling how? He gets his ass whipped over and over and then cries about it? How are we supposed to see him as a threat and not pathetic. He's not powerful, he's a whiny bitch, and he doesn't even have a good relationship with the main cast. The most boring potential villain known to man. Pilot Alastor wouldn't need to be a villain, but let's entertain the thought.

I guess it does suck to have a character you've been fixated on for five years turn out to be different than how you envisioned them, but that's your responsibility. Spinning a yarn about Viv obviously changed him to spite his fans is ridiculous.

>>151134620
>>151134741
Pilot Alastor:
>Actually powerful, is a threat from the get-go if he decides to turn bad
>Betrayal would sting more since he helped properly manage the Hotel
>Neat character change to see this jovial, non-serious guy suddenly get very serious
Like I said, he doesn't have to be a villain, but his heel turn would be more interesting and threatening. Whether he had ulterior motives the whole time or we actually see his ego shatter after he's been built up to be so powerful.
>>151134756
Imagine unironically fixating on the Pilot for five years, kek. Personally I completely forgot about the show until months after the first season aired. If anyone's arguing that Alastor was changed to intentionally spite the fans, then they're fucking retarded. I liked Alastor in the Pilot, I think he's retarded in the show, it's not deep.

>>151134741
>Actually he was supposed to be a shit and boring character the whole time
Your idea of the character is the boring one, imho. A flawless superpowerful gentleman who plays plain manager, always smiles away any struggle and catches feelings because the atmosphere is super warm and friendly. Sounds like something a not particularly popular child would write as a self insert to feel better

>>151134830
>Actually powerful
Show Alastor is like this too lol he still just showed up one day and started taking out Overlords despite not being one himself. He's pissed off NOW because his leash-holder's come to collect.

I like the speaker and I want to hold her hands

Sounds like this guy just wanted Alastor to play house with Charlie.

>>151134830
Pilot Alastor fights Pentious. Fucking Pentious. How is this supposed to be impressive to the point of thinking he could have gone toe to toe with Lucifer is beyond me

>>151134877
Many people are saying this

>>151134879
>guy
Yeah, doesn't really sound like a guy

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>the guy based off of Dr. Facilier actually overestimates himself, fucks up and makes deals with greater powers while not considering the price
Woah

>>151134920
ARE YOU READY?

>>151134855
>He now has to resort to writing fanfiction about me
Fucking kek. I know you're being a disingenuous because you constantly ignore the fact that I've brought up multiple times that he wouldn't be "flawless". The issue is that his flaws come from his personality, not his strength. He's flippant, doesn't take things seriously, struggles with the real passion Charlie has for her project. How many fucking times do I have to bring up Mimzy as an unironically compelling struggle he had to deal with. I wouldn't want to see him get neutered and all warm with everyone because he caught "feelings". I want to see him deal with his choice of managing a hotel and let his pride push him to continue, while being able to hide the facade professionally without it cracking every five seconds. Alastor is a charisma black hole in the show. The Vees are small fish compared to Heaven, but they're more compelling because they can be fun and charismatic. I want to see the shit they get up to, because they're entertaining. Alastor fails on presenting himself as some kind of suave dealmaker compared to how he was in the Pilot.
>>151134859
>>151134886
I don't think he could realistically beat Lucifer, but the point is that he holds the cards, wrapping Charlie around his finger, and Lucifer can't do shit about it. Alastor is at his best when he confidently fucks with people and it works. Not when he can barely hold his shit together and gets mad over the slightest thing.
>>151134879
>>151134899
>I'm coming off as a female Charlastor shipper
Grim.

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>>151134971
ARE YOU READY?

What a catch, Donnie.

>>151135005
>but the point is that he holds the cards, wrapping Charlie around his finger, and Lucifer can't do shit about it.
Lol that can still happen, there's still ways they can come up with for Alastor to drive a wedge between them.

>>151134879
Oh yeah, I had more to say about this. Yeah, I unironically would've preferred the show to be more about the characters and the Hotel rather than this giant worldbuilding, at least at the beginning. I wanted to see Charlie work on redeeming people and the struggles that come with that, both with the staff she has and the customers. It should've been a character show first foremost and then later develop into something more. Mentioned it earlier, but they really should've just had the Vees be the antagonists for the first season instead of immediately jumping in with Heaven.
>>151135043
Yes, but it's less interesting to me now because he's clearly actually worked up about Lucifer. If he truly had disdain for him, I think it would've fit the character to be more subtle with it rather than outright seethe about his presence. That or he's so confident that he doesn't actually feel threatened by Lucifer. Unfortunately, the fact is that he genuinely gets mad at his mere presence is just really sad and pathetic. It's not interesting to watch and makes him lose his charm and any shot of me taking him seriously. The fact that Lucifer insulting him is what makes him leave is so fucking weak.

>>151135075
Man your ideal version of Alastor just sounds really boring.

>>151135005
And what flaws would he have? No, having to push away mimzy is neither a flaw or a decent struggle. Muh pride being the reason he stays at the hotel and catches feelings while playing idle manager wouldn't be a decent storyline even for a soap opera for old ladies. You're literally describing 50 shades of grey with your Alastor

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Emily is more terrifying than any of hell's daemons. Her facial expressions are pure terror. I dunno why.

>>151135075
Despite Alastor fangirls already whining about Lucifer making poor Al leave because he's too mean to him for no reason at all, his prodding is just the last straw really. Alastor leaves because he's weak and injured and as such feels like Rosie isn't holding up her end of their deal, which is the only reason he's at the hotel at all.

>>151135075
>The fact that Lucifer insulting him is what makes him leave is so fucking weak
He already had one foot out in the last season finale, you idiot. Lucifer is just the final straw. This show is so fucking simple it baffles me how people can still get it wrong

>>151135176
>not imagining her making that face while she rides you
>"We're gonna make so many baby nephilim together!"

>>151135176
Something is always up with her and I don’t know why.

>>151135145
I can at least articulate why Show Alastor is fucking lame, put in some effort, anon.
>>151135148
>I described flaws
>"What flaws would he have?"
If you're not even going to bother engaging with the discussion and instead mash words together without understanding what you're even fucking talking about, kek, then this is my last (You).
>>151135205
>>151135218
I don't give a shit if Lucifer is mean to Alastor, in fact I welcome it, it's funny drama. I just think if the show wanted me to give a shit about how Alastor feels about it, they wouldn't make him react so pathetically to it. The fact that he can't handle the banter despite him throwing shit all the time makes him look weaker than he should. I understand he leaves because he doesn't care and his ego is hurt, but how is any of this compelling? Why should I care? Alastor has been a loser the entire season, barely engages with Charlie despite the fact that he's there with a purpose, then can barely hold his shit together when he's not respected. Him getting all fucked up due to losing to Adam would've been more compelling if there was actual weight behind his character, but he's flaccid from the fucking get-go. As far as the show goes, he could've left from the start, because he's been a petulant petty seething bitch since the beginning from getting disrespected, Adam was just the next in line to kick Alastor's ass. I'm not compelled by him leaving now all of a sudden, the plot simply didn't make it interesting.

>>151135337
>because he doesn't care about the Hotel
Fixed. He obviously cares when someone insults him, kek.

>>151135337
What you described are quirks at best. A flaws is something that actively damages the character, not a funny little hindrance that could be solved with a smile. You really seem to have problems with giving actual flaws and struggles to your characters, which is very typical of self inserts and is the whole reason you're throwing your little tantrum

Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pretty visuals/songs. The plot isn’t insulting bad like helluva is

>>151135337
I do think him frantically trying to secure and raise his position with manipulative deals like Charlie's in response to his new weakness would have been more compelling than him stomping his feet and quitting. That he's willing to walk away just like that from what he's trying to build up for himself in spite of his leash seems silly. Why not wait for him to make that deal with Charlie if they wanted him to have a petulant "fuck this hotel" arc?

>>151132750
And just what kind of fucking explanation are they going to give that Alastor is almost omnipotent yet the power he has is just a fraction of what she has?

>>151135408
>Why not wait for him to make that deal with Charlie
You might have missed some episodes, anon

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>>151128797
Who and What I've imagined Vaggie being like (or being similar to) when she was alive.

>>151135435
She's clearly working for Lilith or Roo

>>151135479
>Clearly
It's possible but there is no "clearly" about it.

>>151135389
Keep writing your fanfiction, anon. Maybe you'll write something more compelling than Viv. But since you actually gave a critique, I'll indulge you. The flaws I described would actively put him in opposition with Charlie in how things should be ran, his ego is still a big flaw, but he doesn't lose his shit the moment things don't go his way. I've mentioned how in the Pilot he bulldozes his way with most of his decision. Explore more of that in the actual show and have Charlie put her foot down. Hell, in the show he seems to have no flaws in that regard, because (as previously stated) he makes a good fucking commercial using technology he obviously hates. His stubborn nature is an obvious flaw. Also, you dismissing the Mimzy thing shows you don't understand character struggles. You ever had a friend who's being stupid but didn't want to hurt their feelings but had to say something? Alastor was dealing with something like that, which brings up another one of his flaws, taking responsibility. By telling Mimzy to fuck off, he's taking responsibility of the role he's given himself, instead of treating everything like a joke that he can get away with just doing whatever he wants, he loses someone he was quite close to by choosing to be responsible. Could it have been built up better in the show? Sure, but that's an example of character growth derived from a struggle and flaw.
>>151135408
To be fair, he did make his deal with Charlie. The thing he made the deal over though was kind of anti-climactic, at least for the audience. He just repeats something we already know, and there's no real impact to it, especially when one of Pentious's eggs could've fucking mentioned it. I think him stomping his feet and quitting is still retarded though. The way he gives up on seeing this goal he has all the way through just because is pathetic. He still has his deal with her, him just leaving is fucking stupid.

Please for the love of god let the tshirt leaks be real, please dont let Alastors mustache be canon and please tell me they fixed it

>>151132464
Thing is that Vaggie met Charlie almost immediately after becoming fallen, so she just gave her her name without thinking about it.

>>151135176
People keep forgetting Emily is a Seraph. One of the highest angels in Heaven.

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When do the EPs air exactly?

>>151135724
in 11 hours

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>>151134920
>>151134971
>>151135021
ARE
YOU
READY?

>>151135449
I meant hold off on him making the deal with Charlie if they're going to make him have an arc of him petulantly walking away from the hotel.

>>151135768
I have about 10 hours now.

But some websites take an hour to upload.

So anyone who doesn't see the stream link that played last week (i lost it) will have to wait like an extra hour.

>>151135456
Vaggie's heavenborn, she was never human

I know eveyone wants Lute to get the hyped out villain role, but season 2 could be the disappointing payoff and it causes Eve to scream like a pig in unbearable pain cause Lute didn’t kill Lucifer.

>>151135587
How and why would someone fake it. Use your brain anon.

>>151135587
>>151135884
What was the t shirt?

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>>151135900
It just had human Alastor on it doing some Dr. Facilier stuff

>>151135920
But did he have the mustache??????

>>151135944
Yes

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This is the Morningstar whose return Heaven fears.

>>151135988
>literally doing a stolas
VIV IS A HACK

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>>151135988
He's just a little guy

>>151135818
One of the reviews said he's still on Charlie's side at the end so it's not like it's a dropped plot. Also, it's not like he has to be part of the hotel to call on his deal

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>>151135988
He's great

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Where was this found? I need to show some folks this is speculation from someone who read all the leaks

>>151136110
Twitter or tv tropes nobody can make up their minds

>>151136110
I think whoever wrote this knew the old leaks and learned about the episode 1 spoilers before they aired because someone at the Broadway show spilled the beans and then they used those to sound credible while just making the other shit up. But we'll see.

>>151136017
The Charlie duck is what got me.

>>151135988
>Lucifer is Little Angel that misses human wife
>Lute is little angel that misses human man
The fight

>>151136211
Lucifer clears easily

>>151136168
I think this was written to hype up people.

>>151136211
Lute easily wins, her love is stronger.

>>151136224
Then heaven shall fold.

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>>151136238
Mashallah

>>151128797
Coochie

>>151128797
Honestly it would be funny if Angel Dust (because he's the most likely character) points out that there are a million guys named Dick so being named after a word for genitals isn't really that big of a deal.

>>151128797
McLovin

>>151136427
Dick is short for Richard tho

>>151128797
Sexo

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So why Adam didn't respawn while Pentious did?

>>151136627
And Vaggie is short for Vagina.

>>151136427
This is what I thought of when she said her name was demeaning. Maybe by modern standards, but Adam is basically a caveman whose name list pretty simplistically includes a bunch of stuff he likes, including pussy. He even likes to refer to himself by his dick and calls himself Dickmaster. He's just slightly retarded, but he probably did mean well naming a bomb ass babe after bomb ass pussy.

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>>151135900
The Alastor shirt

>>151135884
I meant "please let the shirt design be canon in the show"

>>151136775
Why did they throw so many fits over this? He barely looks different from his Hell form at all.

>>151136775
No mustache. Please be a design change and not an oversight

>>151136766
From how Adam actually acts in Heaven and with Lute. He probably hasn’t been laid for over thousands of years and is a bit mad by it.
>Words are cheap. Actions speak the truth.

>>151136992
Does he actually do this in the show?

>>151136873
A leak is a leak, even if it will come out within the month/weak the series is airing.

>>151136873
Because Alastor fangirls got attached to his original white twink look

>>151137045
I guess it happened when they’ve organized the shirts to release when season 2 aired. They don’t know what is in the show itself besides the merch they’re given most of the time.

>>151137087
No. The fits are from the show staff. Not the fangirls.

wait are they renaming her?

>>151137151
She wants to rename herself

>>151136992
Poor Alastor can't stop getting sexually harassed

>>151137151
Yes, but probably no.

>>151136992
Alastor being asexual has blocked so many opportunities for Vivzie

>>151137512
Not really, if anything it's probably why he's so whored out with everyone and gets the most lewds.

>>151134697
Vox mocking Alastor on TV was pointless in S1 but relevant in S2, so maybe Lute does something in S3. But if so, then wait until then to make the song.

>>151137541
I don’t see this show being too predictable in its set ups. And the situations between Vox and Lute are very different. Vox and his group were always progressing their plans somewhat in the season 1 episodes, and the finale has them celebrating the outcome of the fight and plotting further to their ambitions.
Lute mainly is dealing with what she doesn’t understand and people she doesn’t know much about in the first place.

So since Alastor is now revealed to have been a black guy in life, do you think he says the N word?
Or is he too old fashioned and would call himself and others just negro?

>>151136673
>So why Adam didn't respawn while Pentious did?
Because Adam is a piece of shit and is in hell now keeping a low profile. You don't just commit genocide on innocents, die, and think you go back to heaven. Fucker fell harder than his blood sugar.

>>151136673
>>151137880
When Jesus died, other people rose first, and then he comes back three days later.

>>151137880
What kind of person are you?

>>151137880
> innocents
>in Hell
lol
Lmao even
You people still think there’s genuinely innocent people in Hell??

>>151137901
That fat fuck is in hell. LOL

>>151137921
Normal, and no psychotic. ;3

>>151137929
>You people still think there’s genuinely innocent people in Hell??
The same people who thinks unbaptized babies who die go to hell? Are you sure?!

>>151137929
The only good person in Hell was Pentious.

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>>151137929
Yes Lute, if your maliciously retarded ass can somehow be in heaven, then the inverse is easily true for good people being misplaced in Hell, it's really not a hard think.

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>>151136673
Roo kidnapped him.

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>>151137973
Proof that Lute was misplaced?

>>151137973
Lute is a better person than Lilith and Eve.

>>151137962
I am willing to agree that Pentious was a “good” person, but he WAS NOT an “innocent” person.
There’s a clear difference between good and innocent, and no one in Hell is innocent. They all committed Sin and were correctly damned for it, now the fact is they can change and become good people doesn’t mean they were innocent.

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>>151137987
Quite literally spaghettis how maliciously wrathful she is in a court of heavenly law IN FRONT of the speaker of GOD no less.
Obviously heavenborn so fuck you if you go for that angle, but she genuinely should have fallen the moment she started shittalking Abel in front of the whole court too.

>>151137995
>The literal incarnates of sin and possibly evil in general depending on when the show confirms Rooshit
That's the lowest bar you could grant Lute anon.

>>151138002
I’m confused. I said he was good, not innocent. And being good is the requirement for the whole resurrection thing, implying that literally other Sinner Adam killed was 100% bad. And Sera is overreacting.

>>151138016
Abel is the worst possible person to replace Adam with. He needs to be beaten and reformed as much as the sinners do.

>>151128797
eiggav the butch

Why does everyone here act like Show Alastor is an improvement? Quit the mental gymnastics and copium, it is nigh universally accepted by everyone else that the Pilot Alastor was better in every way, both in terms of characterization and role.

>>151138030
NTA but Abel was absolutely the worst choice for the job. I get that Lute is way too aggressive but Sera should've chose someone other than Abel. How are you going to be in charge of an army when you can't handle confrontations and you sink into your chair and try to hide under the table when asked to make a suggestion?

>>151128797
She's going to die and her death scene will have her finally deciding on a new name before dying in Charlie's arms.

>>151138064
Because they're fujos and like him pathetic.

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>>151138030
>>151138081
You're both under the assumption Sera even wants an army nowadays instead of what Adam was originally meant to be when meeting with Lucifer every year.
A diplomat.
And lo' and behold, Abel has Adam's social skills but none of the dickheadedness that basically makes him impossible to talk to if you're a woman.
And good god if he stroked his own cock if he was talking to Lucifer.

>Sera, Lilith, and Eve are bad mommas
>Hell and Heaven are filled with Man-Babies, including Charlie, Abel, and Emily
>Lute manages an entire squad of girls with Adam
>They’re more professional and only somewhat immature
Hmm….

>>151138094
>A diplomat.
Even still he's terrible at that. He couldn't even make a decision and just let it all up to Sera much to her chagrin.

>>151138147
>They’re more professional
Ehh

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Would he be the top dog in the pentagram?

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>>151128797
Help! I thought I'd be a cute sinner in hell, but now this is my form for eternity!

>>151138081
abel was chosen solely to prevent lute from taking the army and buggering off to destroy hell against seras orders, especially lute just proved she can and will act on her own like contacting lillith

anything abel does of value is purely a bonus and his status as abels son was just a pretext to get him to replace lute
what matters more is that they keep lute away from commanding anyone

>>151138165
Compare them to the Hotel guests, Emily, and Abel.

>>151138184
No Emily is definitely more professional than them lol

>>151138167
Isn't he just the author's automatic I Win character

>>151138151
Anon, ignoring the fact it's literally the first thing he does as the head exorcist too, this is off the coattails of several unprecedented events in all of history to occur for Heaven too and the very real possibility of either peace or the main base of Heaven being in danger being on the cards.

Diplomacy is actually working something out with Charlie, but the plot is demanding there's hesitation before they meet up, which per leaks is clearly something that gets resolved.

>>151138178
If this happened to me I would just go stand outside during the exterminations and let the angels do their thing

>everyone mocks Peter for just being the doorman
My man does not deserve this disrespect, watch him fucking hold off Vox’s army when they try to breach Heaven, no one gets past his fucking door without his say so.

>>151138183
You’re giving Sera far too much credit when she has never dealt with a single troublesome sinner in her life.

>>151138224
That would genuinely be hilarious and I hope it happens.

The episodes go up at midnight on the west coast right?

>>151138178
When JD Vance gets down there you are so fucked lol

>>151128797
God, I just want to dick this hot little lesbian moth into the mattress until she's begging for my babies.

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Incoming sex

>>151138315
This makes him pookie

>>151138227
that doesnt change the fact that someone who does literally nothing is better than keeping lute in charge, who would just escalate the situation further

the entire problem of hell wanting to come back and avenge themselves is mostly adam and lutes fault for going down there and giving them a reason to be vengeful
sera at least has the humility to admit she messed up instead of doubling down on her position like lute

>>151136101
He's going to plap Charlie's PUSSY.

>be Alastor
>rather dapper and handsome fella in life
>die and go to hell
>not only are you a deer
>but he’ll punishes you with a gay ass haircut and took away your fancy mustache
I’d be pissed off too.

>>151138334
>throw a rock at someone daily
>one day they pick up the rock and throw it back at you
>WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT
That's what Lute sounds like. Or more accurately
>one day the person next door to you throws a rock at you
>you decide to throw a rock at them every day in revenge
>they eventually move out and new people move in
>you consider to throw rocks at them
>one day they throw the rock back at you
>WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT

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>>151138360
>consider
I meant continue FUCK. My brilliant argument is RUINED.

I still wonder why no one in Heaven ever asked why does the First Man walk around wearing a helmet mask with giant demon horns and always seems to have a army of female angels also wearing demonic gimp masks

>>151138334
>>151138360
Did you forget how Sinners actually treat each other in hell? Or the fact they will rebel against heaven and trigger a massive war that destroys the worlds?
The redemption doesn’t slow down destruction. It’s supposed to speed it up.

In the end, bad people are suppose to die off. And good people will be killed by them.

The sinners deserved it.

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>>151138359
The feminine haircut makes him more cute and built for men

>>151128797
She's got some really, really long fucking legs.

>>151138399
The horns are connected to lambs.
The lamb is the most innocent creature and the most fearsome creature in the scriptures.

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>>151138431
Redemption in this context would very easily lessen the amount of people who would actually change and instead increase Heaven's numbers to rival or surpass the amount of bad.

I mean, or redemption would also help Heaven to get a grip with their elitist mindsets and not be such ravaging assholes that'd warrant their buttholes getting plunged when they do stupid shit like eons of genocide just to curb population.
Redemption would make it more apparent the people who wanna stay bad and wanna stay in hell CAN, and the people who wanna change and do better, CAN AS WELL.
I really don't see how Charlie's plan at this point isn't understood, it helps both sides in the end. She's actively offering a way to nerf Hell but no one in Heaven will take advantage of it.

>>151138491
>it helps both sides in the end.
thats literally in the presentation she presented to adam
adam refused it because he finds killing sinners to be entertainment, he wants the existence of people to kill guilt-free

if adam and lute didnt create this mess by galvanising hell against heaven with their periodic slaughters, there would have been vastly less resistance to her plan

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>>151138431
>Did you forget how Sinners actually treat each other in hell? Or the fact they will rebel against heaven and trigger a massive war that destroys the worlds?
It's because there's no structure to Hell. All Sinners regardless of their crimes are lumped into one location that they aren't allowed to leave and are left to their own devices. In a place like that, the people who REALLY deserve to be in Hell and aren't afraid to be cruel are the ones who set the status-quo. Being good for goodness' sake doesn't get you anywhere, and when Heaven comes down yearly to destroy what little of a life you've built while calling you trash who deserve it, you're not going to see a point in appealing to a higher power. It's not surprising that everyone is an asshole to each other, it's a literally a dog-eat-dog world down there.

>>151128797
Vava-Vavoom

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>>151138491
>I really don't see how Charlie's plan at this point isn't understood
People inside and outside of the show misunderstand Charlie so much that I feel bad for her lol I hope she has a "fuck you I was right" moment.

>>151138542
its a self-destructive spiral of lucifer losing faith in humanity because of free will and therefore believing there is no point in helping them, causing sinners to indulge all the same vices that landed them in hell, and then causing lucifer to further become entrenched in his belief that none of them are worth the effort to help

its this self-fulfilling prophecy that then gives heaven the justification to go down there and kill them because they deserve it
its a meat grinder that will never stop on its own because it creates the same conditions that enables it

>>151138551
I'd really like to see the look on her face when some vile sinner rapes her...
...and then asks to stay at the hotel and be redeemed.
"Come on Charlie, let's do trust falls!"

>>151128797
Vagirina, Lesbian Princess.

>>151138520
> adam refused it because he finds killing sinners to be entertainment,
No. The redemption doesn’t work until he pays for their crimes.

>>151138592
they clearly dont just let people in when they dont earnestly believe in redemption
charlie makes it clear in S2 that people who stay just for the chance to kill more angels should leave
and alastor flat out tells mimzy to leave and never come back because he knows she has no intention of changing'

>>151131340
Yeah this seems like the most likely outcome.

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>>151138551
I can't fault them for misunderstanding Charlie, S1 E1 Charlie can't articulate her point at all because she doesn't even understand what to do.
But Post S2 Charlie? Nah, she better start flaying people alive who doubt her shit.

If anything, I'm awaiting for the angelic or possibly hellish force that warps her idea for malicious purposes.
>Redeem souls
>But turn them into fodder for an army
>Or cogs in a machine to serve some greater purpose instead of giving them the paradise Charlie had in mind
Essentially warping Charlie's idea of redemption into an easy resource maker while also dealing with competition either if it's an overlord or hellish force wanting to get rid of threats to them, or heaven wanting to still curb the Hell population.

I swear if this isn't at least a PASSING mention of a plotline at some point it'd be a missed opportunity, even the most virtuous of goals can be twisted.

>>151138586
Yeah I like Lucifer but I'm expecting a sort of dropping of the other shoe with him. His depression can't be THAT bad.

>>151138618
Have you ever heard of...
...lying?

>>151128797
Vagatha

Vargret

Vargorine

Vangela, Vangie for short

Vizzie

>>151138592
Her whole character concept depends on being one of the most powerful beings in the pride lair. She can afford to be naive up to a point because sinners cant really bully her physically and they dont want to cross her dad

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So tonight is the moment of truth right? Episode 4 is gonna let us know just how much of the Eve/Lilith/Roo twist is legit isn't it?

>>151138630
The Overlords are Lucifer's responsibility, he could get Hell sorted out with some help like it's nothing (as long as he doesn't look Vox in the eyes).

>>151138650
Hell has drugs. We see someone try to spike Angel's drink in that one episode.

>>151138618
With a Hotel like that, Lute fits in better than Emily and Sera do.

>>151138655
>Episode 4 is gonna let us know just how much of the Eve/Lilith/Roo twist is legit isn't it?
If you're talking about Alastor summoning Rosie/Lilith to make a deal with her I'm pretty sure she's still gonna be Rosie.

>>151138664
Charlie also has an overprotective dad, girlfriend, a gay spider friend, Husk would probably be watching and you know I think even Alastor would understand that letting the princess of Hell be raped under his watch wouldn't be a good idea.

>>151138696
Everyone knows isolation is the first step. She marches off on her own all the time. Hell's a big place. Anything could happen.

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>>151138659
Let me ask some fundamental questions.
>Why can sinners even BECOME overlords?
>Sub questions off of this
>Why do sinners even get powers like some of the shit the overlords get?
>Why are sinners and overlords alike ONLY locked to Pride when the other rings exist to literally encapsulate the other sins humans commit
>Plus, this would also possibly fix the population issue if you actually had the rest of the rings accessible for use to send sinners to?

I can agree Lucifer CAN sort out overlords if he wanted, but the question really should be why the setup is like that in the first place and who's at fault for making Hell like that in such an inefficient manner even for most likely the Heavenly figures who made it?
Not trying to move the goal posts, but genuinely speaking, the setup overall is fundamentally not efficient and you have to ask who clearly has a hateboner for Lucifer to self sabotage themselves like this in the long run?

>>151138665
assuming they dont just kill lute, i can see an ending where lute becomes a guest at the hotel

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>>151135176
Cute and kissable face

>>151138717
>Why can sinners even BECOME overlords?
We don't know. If Lilith is any indication sinners can maybe become demons.
>Why do sinners even get powers like some of the shit the overlords get?
Overlords' magic powers and stuff supposedly come from how many souls they own, but how it works (like what exactly makes a soul a source of magical power) is undefined.
>Why are sinners and overlords alike ONLY locked to Pride when the other rings exist to literally encapsulate the other sins humans commit
There's no official answer yet, but people speculate that Lucifer is ashamed and ultimately sees the sinners as his responsibility and doesn't want to bother the other Sins with them (IIRC it's implied in HB that they all fell with him).
>Plus, this would also possibly fix the population issue if you actually had the rest of the rings accessible for use to send sinners to?
Possibly. It would at least get rid of the Overlords.

>>151138720
I see her more as the figure that will be stricter with Sinners and their vices, and progressively get angrier at the overlords the guests are trying to stay away from (even just within Season 2 alone).
Cause Sera is too much of a stupid coward who has done decisions like choosing Abel over Seth or any son of Adam that isn’t a pushover baby. I don’t see her and Emily truly helping any of the sinners at the Hotel.

>>151138838
>who has done decisions like choosing Abel over Seth or any son of Adam that isn’t a pushover bab
thats because seth isnt even in the story and because the plot they are going for with sera is that she must make her decision alone instead of just doing what other people say

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LESS THAN SIX HOURS UNTIL WE'RE ALL PISSING

>>151138889
When are you going to watch this?

>>151138900
In either six or three hours depending on which coast it releases on.

>>151138717
I imagine the main reason Sinners are locked to Pride is the other Sins and their demons don’t want human Sinners mucking up their Rings, and the Sinners only exist due to Lucifer’s actions so they’re his responsibility.
Like think about it, from what we see in HB lesser demons are practically humans they have normal lives and such yet Sinners outclass them in majority of ways: they’re full on immortal barring angelic steel, they can have magic and weird powers, they can enslave you and own your soul, etc. makes sense that the Sins don’t want these genuinely evil fucks harassing their people.

>>151138924
>Do not rape my imps!

>>151138717
>>Why are sinners and overlords alike ONLY locked to Pride when the other rings exist to literally encapsulate the other sins humans commit

Likely to protect most hellborn, as that ensures extermination are contained to one place only

>>151138863
Imagine if the Speaker said that so Sera can screw up even harder. Cause you know she will.

>>151138994
the speaker was just trying to be as helpful as possible towards someone who is genuinely repentant of the horrible things they did but not trying to sugarcoat or soften the gravity of their actions

>>151138953
Not locking them to Pride would help to give more space to possibly solve whatever bullshit metrics they got to determine there even is a population issue to begin with.
However, protecting hellborns is a pretty valid concern which honestly might be the reason, even though from how Satan describes events, it sounds like Lucifer should have had first dibs to even be able to decide all this shit.

>>151138949
Makes sense to me, like Ozzie would fucking hate having people like Valentino in his Ring.

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What do you think of this concept?

>>151139014
I like Ozzie but it's kind of crazy that only Satan, Mammon and Lucifer are (so far) the only ones to express the negative side of their Sins.

>>151133262
>I don't know what's with the sudden resurgence of pilot-glazing

It was made before Helluva Boss, before homeschooled kids memed on Vivzie being "the lady with the cussing hell toons" and swore out loud they would go to Hell for liking both cartoons.

>>151135176
>purple skin
Getting Yzma vibes.

>>151139036
That would've been a crazy two-year wait if S1 ended on human Pentious

>>151139036
It would make a lot more sense, a Sinner’s monstrous form is supposed to be a punishment from their sins, so them getting to go back to being human looking after Redemption would be fitting.

>>151139075
he chooses to keep the name sir pentious out of choice, which obviously wouldnt make sense if turned back into a human

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>look like fucking Cab Calloway when you're alive
>die and go to Hell
>you now look like this
I'd be seething all the time too

>>151139045
Still weird to me how he’s all about consent and such, like did he and Satan debate over it and decide rape was more wrath than lust?
Or the Sin of Gluttony actually being against overindulgence that’s self destructive, like fucking how?

>>151139036
Pentious likely wants to keep his snake looks now

Hes prouder of what hes done as a sinner than a human. He has friends a girlfriend as Pentious, so in a way this is preferred look now, and no longer a punishment

>>151139126
>like did he and Satan debate over it and decide rape was more wrath than lust?
Considering we don't know how the Sins ended up becoming... sins, who fucking knows.

>>151139129
Well of course he’d want to stay a snake, he’s got TWO dicks now
Imagine

>>151129616
who is gonna bless the union and by what's title

>>151129616
Vagina Morningstar sounds like the name of a white lady with dreadlocks who holds a wellness retreat every year in Sedona

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5 hours left now.
Unless someone some how gets it earlier (or leaks it), but unlikely.

>>151138167
>>151138200
BH's hat game automatically tops out Alastor's fashion sense.

>>151128797
I don't watch Helluva but can someone explain the deal with Satan? From what I can gather, he's a separate character from Charlie's dad?

>>151139218
I haven't watched his episode yet but yeah, he seems to also have some sort of complex over Lucifer being in charge.

>>151139126
because they arent physical manifestations of the sins they represent, its more just like job titles

>>151139121
Everyone else's hair basically looks the same as when they were alive, he intentionally chose the fuckass bob and likes it

>>151139218
There are a LOT of stories where Satan (devil) and lucifer are separate.

Now some stories they are the same, but a lot separate.

The separate makes it more interesting and goes with a lot of stories.

>>151139184
6 hours here, wtf

>>151139225
>>151139264
So who exactly is Satan in the world of the show and why is be a big deal? Is he just another overlord?

>>151139268
Seeing as how I haven't seen last weeks stream link posted, and i lost it, it might end up being 6 hours.

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Fun Fact: Vivienne has referred to Kyra Kupetsky, the creator of Chikn Nuggit, as a "batshit cunt" and claimed that "I could destroy her."

>>151139291
He's the "top" overlord. And much bigger with way more power.

In the show i think he represented anger and wrath and junk.
He also plays the judge in hell's court.
Which if you think about politics, a top judge is supposed to be equal to the leader of the country.

He's kinda the leader of hell, supposedly.

>>151139331
I don’t get it.

>>151128797
When is next episode coming out?

>>151139334
I should correct.

He draws power from anger/wrath and junk.
But Is shown as mostly chill personality in the show.

But That's probably one of his tricks.
He's known as a great deceiver.

>>151139218
He is the deadly sin of wrath

>>151139291
>>151139334
He's a Sin, not an Overlord.
>>151139363
Either five or two hours

>>151139363
Scheduled for next year to celebrate Valentines Day 2026, so probably a Pentius/Cherri 'do a sex' episode.

Hope you have something else to watch in the meantime.

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Sera's Confession is one of the best songs heard in a cartoon musical since the likes of hunchback of notre dame or prince of egypt, but get's overshadowed by Lute's temper tantrum because she's a sexy racist white woman.

>>151139184
Already been leaked 45 minutes ago latefag.

>>151139334
So then what is Lucifer's deal if he's not the leader of hell? Who is more powerful?

>>151139413
Lucifer is the leader of Hell but he's not interested in it.

>>151139036
Actually would make more sense and Cherri would probably be more keen on doing a sex with him after in a Beauty and the Beast kinda way.

>>151139433
But he doesn't have two dicks anymore

>>151138756
I fucking hate this bitch so fucking much you wouldn't believe it. Stupidest little cunt in the whole show.

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>>151139441
Missed opportunity for casting meta joke.

>>151139447
She's cute but that voice is irritating and it doesn't help that her VA always sounds like she's shouting.

>>151139413
It seems to be made clear lucifer is more powerful.

Lucifer is a top ruler of hell, In hazbin it's hard to say who the leader is.
I think Lilith was the leader, till she "disappeared."

But lucifer is basically shown as kinda doing almost nothing. He did beat adam though.
But yeah no real top of hell right now.
Maybe Carmilla as the weapons dealer overlord, for now.
For now...

>>151139473
The new leaks seem to indicate Valentino is technically the most powerful entity in Hell, (something to do with orgone energy), but lacks the intellectual capacity to fully utilize it. Why the other Vees keep him around, and he needs them like Lennie needs George in 'Of Mice and Men'.

>>151128797
lezzy

>>151139506
So is Velvette or Vox gonna put an angelic bullet in Val's head. Also just realized all three of the Vees have some kind of mind manipulation powers.

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>>151139396
The Speaker is obviously superior but there's something weirdly attractive and unusual about Sera's design. It's something about how her jaw and eyelashes get together. It looks furry somehow (a muzzle) yet the slanted forehead kind of keeps these thoughts away. I can't fucking figure it out. She just looks positive and engaging, funny even.
>>151139184
>>151139268
Faggots, I'm just going to go to sleep when I wake up it's all going to be on a silver platter

>>151139514
Velvette is effectively in charge and the best manipulator. She manipulates the obviously semi-competent Vox to help control Valentino. Notice she spends a lot of her time around him, is barely tolerating both of them, but especially Vox.

>>151139522
>I can't fucking figure it out.
I can. You're a fucking furfag. kys

>>151139550
Anon, don't you think life is shit enough without you acting this way? Jesus, man.

>>151139554
Well it is if you're a furfag, but in that case you obviously deserve worse, so what's your point?

>>151139413
Lucifer is technically the head but doesnt do much actual ruling, he does even less after lillith left leaving him to mope in his castle alone
Satan is the de facto ruler of hell, though he is technically just their judge

Lucifer is physically more powerful, since angels are stronger than demons by default and lucifer was powerful even by angel standards
Though satan commands more respect as a result of actually being involved

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>>151139506
What new leaks indicate that Val is the most powerful of the Vees?

>>151139506
What leaks?

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I hope Baxter gets proper screentime and doesn't end up being shafted, the cast is bloated as is though so I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the case. He's cute and has a really good voice, and I want to see him have beef with Pentious.

>>151139636
I think he's going to go in the opposite direction of Pentious' character and get worse or at least remain morally grey.

>>151139636
He's definitely gay and we'll get a scene about it

>>151139656
>>151139636
He go crazy by Nifftygina

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YOU CAN'T KNOW THOUGH TIME FLOWS ON
SO YOU MUST BEAR
THE CROSS BESTOWED UPON YOU
YOU SPEAK OF CHOICES
MADE BY OTHER VOICES
YOU CAN ONLY ATOOONE
ONCE YOU SPEAK WITH YOUR OWWWWWN

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It sucks this Kino is gonna get overshadowed by Alastor getting owned in episode 4, makes me wish they released only one episode a week.

>>151139720
If you'd told me the Pentious/Cherri duet that was called Piss would be one of the best songs in the show I'd think you were trying to sell me some ocean front property in Arizona

>>151139598
Would be pretty funny if he was the strongest.
Like that recent promo says he’s the Film Overlord, not just porn, so imagine he’s gotten even more power from making regular films as well as porn.

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>>151128797
Just in case I went through the archives and found this but the channel seems dead ?

>>151139514
Actually wouldn't shock me since the 'Mice and Men' reference comes up more that once.

They basically pacify him by letting him 'pet the rabbits', but in the first Vees scene he's tearing up the place so Velvette can't even stop him without Vox, and he just Curly's Wife'd one of her models remember?
All she has to do is use him to wipe out all her enemies and then put him down like a dog, leaving her in charge.

It's all part of how each of the Vees is planning to screw over the other two when they win, but the twist is that Valentino isn't really, or at least he's obviously not mentally up to it. Why they go out of their way to show him being slow and not understanding the plan in the previous episode.

>>151139799
Yeah they didn't even show up for the premiere

>>151139806
Of Mice and Men made me cry so hard when I first read it but I would laugh so fucking hard if she works a reference like that into the Vees' dynamic.

>>151139799
Thanks.
Look for it in 4 hours, or at least i will.

>>151139387
>>151139506
>>151139405
some legit "use strength on the truck" school yard levels of making shit up. the next episode is coming out tomorrow not valentines day, and if there's an actual leak FUCKING POST IT FAGGOTS.

>>151133086
>>151133975
>>151135821
>>151139295

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>>151138030
Adam was presented as a lazy, arrogant fatass only for his final episode show he's a capable fighter with a lot of hidden strength. So expect Abel to have something within him, even if it's just cunning

>>151139636
Is he a secretly a woman with that angler feature

>>151139799
>>151139811
They streamed the first two episodes last week around midnight pacific time.

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I think someone said it before but did Vox kool-aid his cult?

>>151139598
>>151139603
Those leaks are as yet unconfirmed but a few other sources endorsing a few details as credible. Supposedly someone who left the production very recently due to a beef directly with Viv (shocker but big if true). We'll likely know for sure in a few hours basically.

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Heaven won. Hell lost.

>>151139922
Ah I missed it then
>>151139922
IIRC Baxter is another one of Viv's really old OCs, she might've just forgotten about the female angler fish thing

>>151139937
But where is that source from? I've not seen it in /co/

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Will that certain subsection of the fans be upset about Rosie (High class 1910 woman) singing about how Alastor (a black Cajun) is her pet

>>151139735
Just a wonder the number wasn't called, "Cunts".

>>151128797
Be for real.
I don't think they are going to change her name because of merchandise stuff. The name vaggie is already established.

>>151140005
This is Viv's revenge for the internet bullying her into making Alastor visibly mixed. If they'd just leave her alone he'd be a regular white twink being bullied by a demoness.

>>151139995
Very recent leak by someone trying to avoid being sued by Viv/Amazon talking to other sources in less public venues. So more a leak of a leak to be fair. I just know people with a foot in both worlds. Surprised a couple haven't posted about it on /co/ yet actually. I know they spend time here too and post do often post shit elsewhere.

They could be yanking my chain I suppose, but they've kept me way ahead of the curve on everything so far.

>>151139720
Niffty's 60 second pity song will also inevitably get overshadowed but it'll be nice to finally hear Kimiko sing more than one line.

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>"Hey guys I have these totally real and legit leaks. The leaks, you know ;) those ones."
>"Can you describe what happens in the leaks?"
>"No lmao"

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>>151140118
>tfw the fake leaks are better than the shit Viv actually does at the end of the day

>>151139886
Adam in episode 1 casually warped reality in ways Charlie couldn’t understand. It was established that holograms couldn’t be touched st multiple instances, but then grabbed Charlie and yanked her out without a problem.
He was always very suspicious.
Abel doesn’t really do anything this odd this early on the season.

>>151139937
>left the production very recently due to a beef directly with Viv

They are working on season 3 or 4 NOW.
Any beef they have, would not be about season 2.
I would assume.
>>151140097

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I have a new name for her. And it doesn't have "Vag" in it.
Introducing...
PUSSICA

>>151140217
Hymen was the name of a Greek god. She could use that. Or Clytemnestra.

>>151139598
>>151139937
>>151140199
What if this relates to Lucifer and how would be controlled by a Lilith illusion. And Lute, after experiencing the fake Adam the whole season, would break out of her illusion.

>>151140217
Call her
Scissor Ring
Cunning Linguist (cunnilingus)
Carpet Muncher
Muff Diver

Venus (the sexy god)
Virgin (angels don't have lot of sex?)

>>151140269
>(angels don't have lot of sex?)
The way Charlie reacts to anything sexual it's almost a certainty that at the very least, Vaggie hasn't gotten anything from Charlie.
As for her previous life, well... Adam is Adam. If he didn't blow her back out, it's only because he was too busy doing it with someone else.

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Post angels.

>>151139636
>the cast is bloated as is
There's still room for a vaguely familiar looking black beatboxer character who has a failed unrequited romantic scene with Charlie. Like he could invite her to have a sex with him in the sex room before she totally rejects him as a total pathetic loser then blasts him into a bottomless hell pit.

When the others are shocked and like, "Charlie?" She's like, "Oh sorry, I'm normally nice to everyone but fuck that guy".

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>>151140305

>>151140269
Ooooooh, THAT'S what 'cunning linguist' means.

Thanks for the big protip anon.