Tai Lung couldn't face the fact that his predecessors were flawed and likewise so was he. He desperately craved validation and deeply resented being cut off from it, even though it's a critical part of the maturation process to prioritize one's self-approval over the approval of others. His self approval also mostly hinged on hurting people to assert his prowess.
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>>151130147>even though it's a critical part of the maturation process to prioritize one's self-approval over the approval of others>>I DON'T WANT YOUR APOLOGY, I WANT THE SCROLLYeah that was kind of his entire motivation in the end. He didn't care about the approval of others, if he did, he wouldn't have layed siege to the entire fucking valley to get the scroll HE wanted.
>>151130188Shifu apologized for making him a failure. That's the exact opposite of approval. He was trying to beat up Shifu until he told him he was a success.
In fact, the scroll itself corresponds to the idea of "success", and it being blank is because success is not a tangible pre-defined thing in the first place. It was literally just a blank slate for people to project their wishes onto. Tai Lung spent his whole life chasing an illusory, abstract concept.
>>151130194Shifu apolagized for making him think he was the Dragon Warrior. Tai proceeded to choke him out because he was only concerned about learning where the scroll was to learn it's power. The whole point of that scene was to illustrate how beyond the pale he was and what is priority was: power. During his intial defeat his rage was based on being denied the role of Dragon Warrior, post breakout he is only concerned about the power of the scroll.
Tai Lung is daddy fantasy for so many girls i bet he made their Gynee tickle
>>151130266>i bet he made their Gynee tickleI dry heaved while reading this
>Snow Leopard>>Somehow moggs a literal Tiger in proportionsHow? The fucker even dwarfs Po in the 4th movie
>>151130238>All I ever did, I did to make you proud.>It was my pride that blinded me, I loved you too much to see what you were becoming.This is Shifu accepting responsibility, not granting validation. Shifu made Tai Lung into what he thought was the perfect warrior and, in succeeding, Shifu was confronted with the fact that his idea of perfect was not actually perfect. This is what makes Tai Lung a tragic villain, his existence essentially serves as a vehicle to confront Shifu with his own weakness. He had the opportunity to escape that fate, but his obsession with Shifu's approval kept him from doing so.
>>151130274fat and old
>>151130315The issue I see with all this is the inner v outer validation. Tai is a tragic villain, but I don't see the implication of him seeking the approval of others was his downfall. If Tai was concerned about that it would be more in character for him to force people around him to acknowledge he was the Dragon Warrior as Shifu groomed him to be all his life. But that never appears to be his drive. He resents Shifu and Master Oogway due that past but his goal and downfall comes from his pursuit for the Scroll and the alleged power that is imbued within. If he sought external validation he would either follow the guidance of Shifu or Oogway or force them to change their perspective. He does neither. His pursuit for the power of the scroll is down to his own sense of validation, not others.
>>151130368When he broke out of prison the scroll was one of the last things on his mind. The first thing he wanted was to fight his replacement, then he got in an argument with Shifu about not standing up to Oogway on his behalf, then proceeded to beat the shit out of his dad while asking him if he was proud of him. Tai Lung's psychological issues aren't very subtle and seeking the scroll was nothing but a psychological coping mechanism.
>>151130368>>151130547As for how this all lead to his downfall, he says it himself perfectly:>Who denied me my destiny?Tai Lung should never have left his destiny up to other people or external things in the first place, be it Shifu or the scroll. His complete and utter faith in Shifu ended up being wasted, and his obsession with the scroll was obviously not going to be any more fruitful.
>>151130547That entire confrontation only happened because Shifu knew he would be after the scroll and waited to defend it. Tai didn't seek Shifu out and was not his concern, but he certainly relished humiliating him due to his past. You can argue about whether the scroll is a coping mechanism or not but that does not change the fact that his pursuit of it is down to personal drive, not external. If he went out of his way to confront Shifu it would be a different story, but he didn't. Shifu put himself between Tai and Tai's objective of gaining power from the scroll. He then fights Po because Po then places himself between Tai and the Scroll. His goal is clear.
>>151130147murrtube.net
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>>151130589Tai Lung assumed the scroll would make him more powerful. He made that assumption because he projected his desire to get stronger onto the scroll. Why do you think he wanted to get stronger?
>>151130668>Tai Lung assumed the scroll would make him more powerfulEveryone, Shifu included, thought the scroll held power. This is not a case of personal projection.>He made that assumption because he projected his desire to get stronger onto the scrollAgain, this is not down to projection. We as an audience are even led to believe it is powerfull. That is why the reveal that it's power is mlre metaphorical is far more impactfull.
>>151130689Tai Lung and the others are all part of the same setting, the same culture, and of a very similar value system. Multiple people having the same wishes or the same misunderstandings is not surprising. This is also why KFP has a black sheep protagonist, because a story about changing values needs someone that's different instead of someone that's better. Also, you never answered the question: Why did Tai Lung want to get stronger?
>>151130733>Also, you never answered the question: Why did Tai Lung want to get stronger?I didn't answer your question because it was built on a faulty premise. In addition his motivation could be multi-faceted, assuming it is soley for external validation is heavily reductionist and simplistic. We are never told why he wants power, only that he seeks it from the scroll.
>>151130633Yiff ne daddu
Imagine peaking at your first movie. I don't see KFP 3 or 4 talked as often as KFP 1.
>>151130756First was solid, second was a good send off that sadly didn't stick
>>151130746He wants power because he was raised in an environment that valued power and rewarded him for being powerful. The environment changed and he didn't. He tried to use his power to force his environment to change, and became a pariah as a consequence. He wanted the scroll because, even though he was already powerful enough to rampage through the setting, he believed was still too weak to get what he wants. Everything he did was so that he could go back to being the doted on star disciple of a bygone era. Tai Lung wanted the scroll to get stronger but what he needed was a time machine.
>>151130886I understand your argument and it is a compelling one, but by conceding that the enviroment changed you are also conceding the internal v external validatioj argument. Tai is seeking power to the DETRIMENT of his peer and social relations. Even when deprived of external motivation, even being given direct harm and inprisonment, he is internally driven to seek out power. Even if his ambition to grow stronger was cultivated by external sources that does not mean it is externally dependent. He is willing to burn everything to the ground to gain power, it makes no sense for him to seek power to regain respect or social status in the manner he conducts himself.
>>151130916Him trying in an unhealthy, self-sabotaging way to effect change proves that he is driven by what the environment thinks, not disproves it.
>>151130929But he is not seeking to change his enviroment. Again >>151130368 there are a few more direct things he could have done to change his enviroment by force to regain his external validation, but instead chooses a route more consistent with internal validation than external. Whenever a roadblock is put in his path of that internal goal it is reminders of his past of an externally nuturing enviroment which he lashes out on but disregards as those reminders are no longer his drive or concern. He seeks the scroll. He seeks power. He does not seek Shifu or Oogway who are the direct external obstacle to his validation.
>>151130972He literally went straight to the head honcho after his imprisonment and disputed his position being removed. Tai Long didn't need to get in a lengthy argument with his father just to steal a mystical scroll.
>>151131071>He literally went straight to the head honcho after his imprisonment and disputed his position being removedNo. He literally wen't to get the scroll and Shifu stayed to defend it.
>>151131071>>151131100If you robbed a store at night and the manager stayed to defend it that does not mean you sought out to beat the shit out of the manager
>>151131100>Why denied me my destiny?>It was never my decision to make.>it is now.Tai Long directly petitioning Shifu to overturn Oogway's decision.
>>151131112Robbers don't get in a long argument with the manager of the store they're robbing about how the contents of the store are their birthright. They just rob the store.
What actually would've happened if he was named Dragon Warrior though? Not a lot, right? Maybe he would've been shot by a cannon in the sequel, but it's not like he himself would've actually destroyed everything.
>>151131174If they're unlucky he'd kill them all in fury once he finds out the truth about the scroll prank. If they're lucky he'd probably just assume the position of a warlord and rule over them. The dragon warrior dispute is ultimately just a trigger, the core problem of Shifu and Tai Lung's hubris would remain unaddressed and could reignite at any time.
>>151130756I still haven't seen the third or fourth Kung Fu Panda movies, yet hold no desire to.
>>151130147Ohhh what I'd give for the chance to caress his massive pecs...
>>151130147sexy tigerman
>>151133129>>151134124Stop it right now.
>>151135200make me
>>151133129>>151134124this
>>151133129 >>151134124 THAT
>>151130147He should have fucked Tigress
>>151137273But then who would Po have fucked?
All this movie shows is how bullshit the idea is that you have control over your life. Shifu literally groomed and molded him to be who he was and never got punished for it. Shifu gets off completely free while his student gets zero justice for all the bullshit that wasn't his fault.
>>151137378He had the choice to not have a psychotic tantrum and try to take his "destiny" by force. Granted him getting spiritually obliterated by what is essentially a dark art technique was a bit too far
>>151137404>Dude who cares if you didn't get rewarded for all that hard work! Just like accept it bro lol!This is why people become communists. Tia worked his entire life being told he was guaranteed that he would get something great out of it. Every single person in his life enforced the idea that his hard work would be rewarded and hyped that reward up 10 fold. Then at rhe moment he was supposed to get it they told him no and didn't even tell him why, even though they all knew the reason why. Of course he's going to freak out at such a massive disappointment and betrayal of his work and trust. Everything he wanted, what was precious and important to him was taken away and not a single person tried to console him or help him greave in a healthy way, they just threw him away and treated him like a monster for being rightfully upset. It's like telling a family crying at a funeral that they are being pussys for crying at a funeral of a sudden dead relative and being depressed afterwards.
>>151137308Nobody. I don't think any adult actually likes Po and kids don't care about sex.
>>151137308Nobody
>>151137378Tai Lung had the ability to rise past his parent's failures but never did, he responded to rejection by trying to change others instead of himself, which was an egregious waste of his own talents. If Tai Lung simply decided he would prove that he was better than a Dragon Warrior then he probably could, because the Dragon Warrior title was as empty as the scroll, whereas his accomplishments were not. He was blinded by his dependency and fell into obsession. Shifu lost his son and Oogway's staff being snapped in half represents Shifu's irreversible failure as a parent, as a teacher, and as a disciple/successor. Shifu's consequences are largely spiritual and sentimental, but they are quite severe.
>>151130147The way he reacted to being denied a prize, whose value was a total mystery to him, proved that he wasn't prepared, nor the right person to hold what is otherwise a ceremonial and unimportant position. He could have gone and started his own school or traveled the land helping others, regardless of his title. He could have dedicated himself to train harder or learn from Oogway. Instead he chose violence.
>>151138099He was taught that he was nothing unless he became the dragon warrior. How is it his fault for being lied and brainwashed in to thinking he's worthless?
>>151138132Material existence is fundamentally adversarial. Being born into a condition where you can't decide your fate is an act of aggression against you. Tai Lung's situation is the default state of being and it's how a person deals with it that defines their future. This is also the point of philosophically rejecting materialism, to abandon ties to what is out of your own control.
Also Po having a better dad was just Dreamworks butching the point to put in family movie cliches.
>>151137308m-me...
>>151140308No
>>151137308Don't care
>>151130629Wrong board.
>>151137308Viper
>>151130303>How? The fucker even dwarfs Po in the 4th movieIt is built differently.
>>151132373Why? The last one was so good!
