why is this veteran animator so obssesed with AI animation?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-tehg5MEoA&t=2s
>>151130908He's just having fun and getting views for it. Besides if he wasn't doing this you wouldn't care about him so interms of marketing it's working.
>>151130908he's a boomer that has been doing animations by hand his whole life, this kind of technology is genuinly amazing for older folks
>>151130908>obsessedWhere?
>>151130908Buck broken. He knows he wasted his life on a skill anyone can do now.
>>151130955in his channel? he has 5 videos about this in two months but probably he is making them because of what >>151130920said since his other videos barely get views
>>151130985Kys, thirdie
>>151130991The truth hurts bitch. You spent thousands of dollars at school just for a fucking smartphone app to replace you. That must suck.
>>151130908Nothing wrong with testing AI. Most animators are probably already using it for making backgrounds
>>151131111Most are being fired.
>>151131031Stfu
Anime industry and Adult Animation are fucked, since their animation is a ton of runtime of characters talking, you don't need animators for that anymore.
>>151131144I was thinking more about internet animators. You want to put these stuff at the reasonable pace to keep your channel alive. AI backgrounds would be a one way to do it
>>151131170Pencilcuck.
>>151131190Good. I can now make my own cartoons and customize them to my heart's content.
>>151131216>wojakDouble subhuman
>>151130908At least it’s not as autistic as being an animator who’s previously worked at Pixar now making AIshithttps://m.youtube.com/@Colin_a_Brady/videos
>>151131607He's a genius for embracing the technology instead of being scared. For that he will survive while his colleagues go bankrupt...
>>151130955The OP clearly wants to bait out an ai debate thread.
>>151131682NVM, this thread is sock puppets trying to bait an argument.
I saw this and was curious about the process. I noticed the AI would get confused about the speaking roles, but wouldn't it be possible to instruct the AI on that? Obviously the "ideal" is to have the AI understand everything and make it, but can't you do something like "screen left character is designated Character A. All dialogue that's stated to be from Character A will speak and act those lines.Something like that.
>>151131796Taat would require getting inside the program which most artists don't know how to do. I suspect that would also require whichever company that make th genAI to reveal the inner workings of their blackbox. Which they won't because it's thier corperate property or possibly spaghetti code built on some open-soucre product.
>>151130908>all his personal work consists of a bald middle age dude dancingIf this is what animators think people want to see then it's no wonder they are getting replaced by ai
>>151131967That's the irony. Human artists always talk shit about "soul and creativity" but their examples end up being the most derivative dribble out there. They lack so much self awareness it's sad.
>>151130908A better question is why is he so focused on showing it looks bad. Everyone who matters knows it looks bad. This is not a secret he's exposing, anyone with a braincell can see AI art is flawed in a way that isn't charming or meaningful, it's just bad. And making a case against AI on the grounds that it's visually lesser will never get you anywhere because the ones who are driving the AI slop creep couldn't care less if the content they put out still looked like the gen 1 AI stuff, all they care about is ease of production and cost.Hell the guy who made one of the most popular "generative AI is never going to work" videos back before generative ai got anywhere as near ubiquitous as it is now already hates his own video for that and other reasons.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IrWuzh8MuM
>>151133158>And making a case against AI on the grounds that it's visually lesser will never get you anywhere because the ones who are driving the AI slop creep couldn't care less if the content they put out still looked like the gen 1 AI stuff, all they care about is ease of production and cost.If anything he's making a complete fool of himself because the technology will get better and his content will look completed outdated in comparison. It's like shitting on the early Playstation for its graphics when the newest consoles easily surpass it.
>>151131631>For that he will survive while his colleagues go bankrupt...I don't think so and his channel numbers show it, it's been 3 years this technology has been out and he hasn't gotten millions of views, he's most popular videos are still the stuff he made traditionally, if fact the person in OP is arguably doing a better job using AI to make a profit than him. I can point to AI channels that have benefited from using video/image generation in a far shorter time span. Also Remember AI is expanding the supply side but not the customer base, if so if he's struggling to get an audience while the markets still fairly open now how will he do when there's 100x more competitors?
>>151133016>l-l-l-look, I'm the Chad! I'm ultra based and super redpilled!Can't believe you got filtered by the colour red, anon. The point of those paintings is that's its such an intense red, or blue, or yellow, that it's supposed to captivate your eyes by how striking it is. The bottom is literally slop because I feel absolutely nothing looking at it, just a mess of colours trying to emulate a face
>>151131967because is his self-insert lol
>>151133763He's a basedjak lol.
>>151133753>The point of those paintings is that's its such an intense red, or blue, or yellow, that it's supposed to captivate your eyes by how striking it is.It'd just red.
>>151133248Later games don't magically make the early PS1 games look better just by existing, and the potential for the tech getting better doesn't mean that people can't shit on what we're being told is the height of art right now.
>>151133814And the latter is just a bunch of colored squares over some random woman's face
>>151130908>why is [a creative] so interested in [medium/tool]? Shut up you pot stirring faggot
>>151133851>and the potential for the tech getting better doesn't mean that people can't shit on what we're being told is the height of art right now.You don't seem to get it. Technology that can literally create cartoons out of thin air and animate them is absolute sci-fi fuckery. If you told someone back in 2005 you could create a Family Guy episode with just a few words they would have thought you were Merlin or Obi-Wan. Even the guy in the OP is literally proving why AI is so powerful. It use to take decades to learn how to animate anything decently. Now machines aredoing it in 60 seconds or less.
>>151130985All he's done is disprove what all you fags always say about AI being able to be fed character designs and scripts. Even with painstaking, professional guidance, the AI can't even keep track of which character was talking.
>>151134006You are far too easily impressed.
>>151134013>The internet will never get faster than 56kb! You faggots will never have a website called "Youtube" that can stream video anywhere. That's what you sound like asshole. This is the worst AI videos will ever be. Next year it will plow your ass harder.
>>151130908Normal people are excited by AI.
>>151134123As it should. Hollywood stopped making cartoons and the ones that do exist are horrible. Time to give the power back to the people and we can make better TV shows instead.
>>151134006>You don't seem to get itThat's every single person's excuse. Shitty art is shitty art. I get that the technology is supposed to improve. That doesn't mean I'm going to give shitty art a pass in the present just because later versions will be better.
>>151134334Hate to break it to you, but nobody will watch those either. People will just be overpowered by the power of advertising and the rich twisting the laws so only they're allowed to use AI and never you. That's just ohw it is.
>>151134080So you're admitting it's presently shit then?
>>151134341It's all in the beholder. The first Toy Story movie looks like shit but we still loved it anyway. AI is in that same place. It's still being used to tell stories that otherwise, wouldn't exist before.
>>151134356>People will just be overpowered by the power of advertising and the rich twisting the laws so only they're allowed to use AI and never you. That makes no sense nigga. Why would they stop selling AI tools when it makes them rich?
>>151134958Watch the AI generated sitcom shit that's making the rounds. Yeah, I sure do love watching videos of shapes melting into each other, people opening doors by phasing their hands through them, people outright morphing and twisting and contorting, people duplicating themselves, and even walk off of their own sitcom sets into other ones as a slowly disintegrating laugh track turns more and more demonic. Again, shitty art is shitty, regardless of origin. Toy Story was a goddamn story done in computer format. Most of the AI shit people love to act like the future is literally jangling keys in front of people's faces and acting like it's the same thing. I'd bother to respect the art form if people put fucking effort into it but they DON'T, that's why I call what I see shit.>>151134995They're not going to sell them to YOU, you doof, they're going to sell it exclusively to rich people. Normal schmucks don't matter in the grand scheme, only the rich fucks ever do.
When digital illustration became a thing, mediocre artists ranted and raved because they were afraid it was going to mean more people geting into illustration. The people with actual talent went, you mean I can just undo a mistake? That'll save me so much time!"
>>151135070>Watch the AI generated sitcom shit that's making the rounds. Yeah, I sure do love watching videos of shapes melting into each other, people opening doors by phasing their hands through them, people outright morphing and twisting and contorting, people duplicating themselves, and even walk off of their own sitcom sets into other ones as a slowly disintegrating laugh track turns more and more demonic. Again, shitty art is shitty, regardless of origin. Toy Story was a goddamn story done in computer format. Most of the AI shit people love to act like the future is literally jangling keys in front of people's faces and acting like it's the same thing. I'd bother to respect the art form if people put fucking effort into it but they DON'T, that's why I call what I see shit.So you're not a fan of abstract art? It's actually funny how you mock the melting shapes and glitches but some of the most famous art in history left that same impression. >They're not going to sell them to YOU, you doof, they're going to sell it exclusively to rich people. Normal schmucks don't matter in the grand scheme, only the rich fucks ever do.So all those Midjourney licenses or Grok subscription services, they're just going to cancel them? You know millions of people are already attached to them?
I like his work, its full of soul
I'm starting to think this isn't even a paid shill, it's either a bot that's identifiable even in non-AI threads (often coomershit for some reason) due to the very repetitive tics or a very low-functioning sped with the same issue
>>151130908Old people are perfect victims for retarded stuff like this.
Let the record stand that since the 30s, people have feared and hated the idea of robots making art.
>>151135102>So you're not a fan of abstract art? Eh, not really. I can take it or leave it.>It's actually funny how you mock the melting shapes and glitches but some of the most famous art in history left that same impression.Not even remotely the same thing. You have to know how to competently draw in order to draw intentionally jank. Again, if ai wankers bothered to curate the works they made to be as good as possible instead of getting upset when the flaws of their works are pointed out, I'd bother to respect them. But it's never their fault for failing to recognize how their ai people walk through solid walls like they're made of gelatin, it's everyone else for having functioning eyes.>So all those Midjourney licenses or Grok subscription services, they're just going to cancel them? Nah, they'll just jack up the prices so high that you'll need to decide whether to use it to make your penny-cent animations or eat today.>You know millions of people are already attached to them?Millions of people get attached to pyramid schemes.
>>151135174It often comes into furry-related threads to shill onaholes.
>>151135222Sure they did, the phonographs have fucking demolished musicians, especially the ones playing at the silent cinema, and destroyed the art of musical improvisation. Does anyone care now? No, they don't.
>>151135232>Eh, not really. I can take it or leave it.You're on a cartoon board. Did you expect everything to mimic live action?>Not even remotely the same thing. You have to know how to competently draw in order to draw intentionally jank. Again, if ai wankers bothered to curate the works they made to be as good as possible instead of getting upset when the flaws of their works are pointed out, I'd bother to respect them. But it's never their fault for failing to recognize how their ai people walk through solid walls like they're made of gelatin, it's everyone else for having functioning eyes.You can say the same about human artists. AI is just a tool and is of no fault by itself.>Nah, they'll just jack up the prices so high that you'll need to decide whether to use it to make your penny-cent animations or eat today.For that happen you would have to eliminate all competition. But if one company sells AI pics for $1 million a piece but another shows up and sell them for 5 cents, the cheaper service will always win out in the end.>Millions of people get attached to pyramid schemes.But what you're suggesting would literally stop these companies from being rich. Like if Mcdonalds jacked up the price of their burgers but Wendys and Burger King refused to follow, you really think Mcdonalds would be the last man standing.
>>151135222Um akshually,
>>151135311>You're on a cartoon board. Did you expect everything to mimic live action?You're not even talking the same thing I am, retard, go away.>You can say the same about human artists. AI is just a tool and is of no fault by itself.I repeat, shitty art is shitty art, regardless of origin.>For that happen you would have to eliminate all competition>But what you're suggesting would literally stop these companies from being richLook up predatory pricing. That's how Uber got to be where it is.
>>151135232>human spacing>>151135311>bot spacingnoted
>>151135174I tink you are the seething, bhai. You be must mandying because AI will to replace transformers artists wkwkwkwkwkw you probability have transformer wife too wkwkwkkwkw AI is future so you better adapt bhai or you get left in the behind retardant wkwkwkwkwk so mad LMOA
>>151135385>Look up predatory pricing. That's how Uber got to be where it is.You can't do that with AI dumbass. In fact, it just means open source tools like Stable Diffusion will become more popular and now the rich lost a major source of income.
>>151135174I lean towards the bot answer myself>Filenames constantly jumbling around like it's trying to avoid being filtered, but all clearly tied to the same source
>>151135439You really don't think the law's going to find ways to kill off Stable Diffusion so you can't have what the rich fucks have. If only everyone could be so optimistic.
>>151135222>>151135338Both of these century-old comics are frightfully accurate to modern-day discourse. And I don't like it.
>>151135524What fucking law? Stable Diffusion has been downloaded more than a million times. It's impossible to erase it.
>>151135547For now
>>151130908>>151135595Yep, seems like some kind of damage controlling is happening todayIf someone's got any news on what happened this time, feel free to let me know
>>151135601They can't. People can make their own backups and flood the internet or bury them in the ground.
Why are you?
>>151135645Again, for now.
>>151130985Sorry Ranjeet, you will never be a real artist
>SAAAAAARRRRR LOOK AT DE AI SAAR!!!! IT'S GOING TO BE REPLACING YOU VARY SOON SAAAAARRR!!!AIfags are just as bad as artfags.Who knew?
>>151135706Sorry but there is no plan or solution that can make open source software downloaded a million+ times go away.
>>151135755AI users don't gatekeep. They want everyone to make art. Artfags are both obnoxious and greedy.
interesting how these screencaps, too, are just random jumbled filenames that don't resemble typical screencaps or 4chan unix timestamps
>>151130985Hayk has like *the* most job security out of any western animator right now. DC pretty much lets him do whatever he wants.
>>151135931They can replace him with AI.
>AI users don't gatekeepOf course you don't gatekeep Sukhdeep, you leave the gates wide open for ever last subhuman third worlder on the planet.We all already know you people have zero standards.>They want everyone to make (((art)))Sorry bro, you will never be a real artist>Artfags are both obnoxious and greedy.So why is that I see so many of your AIfag bros doing to same shit?
>>151130908>AI animation.It's fucking garbage.
>>151135909>>151135941>same filename structure
>>151136023>Of course you don't gatekeep Sukhdeep, you leave the gates wide open for ever last subhuman third worlder on the planet. We all already know you people have zero standards.If you can't make better art than a machine then it means you just fucking suck. >Sorry bro, you will never be a real artistWho cares what you think? It's your ass that's getting replaced. >So why is that I see so many of your AIfag bros doing to same shit?Artfags are annoying and the world wont miss them when they're gone.
>>151135978Was speaking to the point about him being insecure. Also it's crazy how they constantly hire him to do this expensive kind of animation, he does his own cleanup and everything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8i0vvVBYTc
>>151135909Tell that to the promptfags that literally gatekeep their work and call people asking for them "prompt thieves". Retard.
Lol, I'm not reading all that. Keep it short and sweet and just say 'I'm a faggot' next time, saves us all some time
>>151136103I don't tell them anything because they don't exist.
>>151136083>It's your ass that's getting replaced. He says as if he's not the one who's going to be replaced by robots once his data is harvested for precious "prompts", lol
>>151136112Shut up, Bender.
Friendly reminder that generative ai's probably gonna die in at most the next 2 years cause it's constantly just burning the money of its investors
>>151136118I'm not a wagecuck. I know how to run my own business which means I'm safe.
>>151136116They totally do, lol
>>151136138>A literal who.He has no influence and other AI Artists don't even think of him let alone care.
>>151136137Sure, rajeesh, that call center will always need your talents
>>151136148>A literal whoOh, so someone on your level then, that's perfect
>>151136118Bear in mind that you're talking to the same bot that runs completely paradoxical narratives that AI is some omnipotent supergod that will replace and destroy all humans ever forever in just 2 more weeks!!! but also somehow his "job" (that he can't ever describe what it is) is somehow 100% safeSo basically it's just some retarded shoddy bot that's full of shit to farm engagement
>>151136164Figures that aifags would have finally replaced themselves with robots in turn. It's efficient if nothing else.
>>151136164Naw, you're an idiot. My business can never replaced by robots because it's too complex and challenging.No one cares about art shit because drawing is a complete waste of time. Sorry your art degree is in the toilet. Lol.
the "business" that isn't elaborated on in the slightest, because it's a deliberately circular argument from a shitty program
>>151136138lmao, this isn't real, The AI community helps each other out. The creators of LORAS could have put them behind a paywall, but instead they offer them for free.
>>151133016>It's just red>When yellow and blue are RIGHT THERE
>>151136237Just because your art degree is worthless doesn't mean there aren't much more serious careers out there that machines will never replace.Such as Dentists. The fine motor schools needed to do a root canal is millions of light years away from being handled by robots. Again, don't get pissy just because you picked the wrong career in life. Other people worked harder than you.
>AI is super mega ultra smarter than every human forever and is basically a god but that intelligence put into a robot body can't do some dental work
>Naw, you're an idiot. My business can never replaced by robots because it's too complex and challenging.>No one cares about art shit because drawing is a complete waste of time.>Sorry your art degree is in the toilet. Lol
>>151136331Teeth are small, hard, and surrounded by soft tissue. Precision must be within fractions of a millimeter.That's not something a robot body can handle without fucking up.
>Hey Mario, look what I made>It's A.I. generated Luigi, you didn't make it>It's art, I prompted it
>>151136331It's funny as fuck, apparently the all-powerful AGI would be able to take over the whole planet in mere seconds but can't give me a cavity filling
>>151136406>What are you waiting for? Post some cunny!
>>151136406This argument again? RIP Photographers.
>>151136265Prove it
>>151136414If you want your nerves to be damaged or in pain then go ahead I guess. It's not the same as making art which Computers do a far better job than humans.
why is this stupid fucking thing capitalizing shit like "Computers", is it auto-translating from another language?
>>151136422I don't think anyone's ever claimed that photographers made the things they take pictures of, unless of cause they stage it themselves.They just catalogue stuff in picture form.
>>151136521No, but photographers fancy themselves as artistsIf they indeed are artists, so are slopmakers
>>151136602Photographers have to at least leave their basement to take pictures. If they were doing this exclusively by drone, people would laugh at them as hard as they do for sloppa
>>151136602>but photographers fancy themselves as artistsIf they do stuff like staging, setting up lighting and such, I'd agree, since they're just taking a picture of their art and preserving it.If they do shit like nature photography, and don't do shit in post, then no, they're not artists, since they didn't make anything, but simply catalogued it.
>>151136422The purpose of photography is to capture the raw, unfiltered beauty, or discomfort, of reality. Whether it’s a sunset or a forest that’s been torn down, a photograph preserves a genuine, one-of-a-kind moment, frozen in time. AI, on the other hand, takes existing works made by other people and reshapes them into something new for the user. The result isn’t truly unique, nor does it carry the same authenticity as a photo taken by a person. There is no comparison between someone spending hours trying to find the right angle of a piece they are photographing to capture the emotion they want the audience to feel, versus an algorithm recombining existing art pieces. At the end of the day, art is a human act only. A machine might produce something that looks like art, just as an elephant can paint or a camera can accidentally capture a beautiful image, but without genuine expression behind it, it isn’t truly art.
>>151136671>Photographers have to at least leave their basement to take pictures.What kind of bullshit argument is that? Guess all those sweatshop animators aren't artists either.
>>151136696Another bullshit argument from a luddite. And then you wonder why you're being replaced. And Photographers didn't invent nature. You're stealing images made by the Almighty God.
>>151136710Yeah, nobody's ever called them artists. And most of them don't consider themselves artists either. Pick a better comparison next time.
>>151136745If you believe in God, then why do you worship AI?
>Photographersagain with the odd capitalization tics, these aren't proper nouns
>>151136745No one is saying Photographers invented nature; they are just capturing it and presenting it artistically.
>>151136765So animators are not artists? Jesus, luddites really are cannibalizing themselves.
>>151136813>No one is saying Photographers invented nature; they are just capturing it and presenting it artistically.Same argument for AI Art.
>>151136819Considering you specified sweatshop workers, aka third worlders who have no pride or say in their work and often don't have a proper context of what they're being asked to draw, bot...or are we now counting day laborers as architects and fast food employees as business CEOs?
This is yet another one of those retarded shill threads where the shill (singular, now demoted into a skeleton crew after the absolute shitfest that was GPT-5) somehow thinks that /co/ is a board jampacked with artists and animators despite literally nothing to suggest this, especially when there's an ACTUAL ART BOARD these retarded faggots don't use
>>151136835Except that AI does about 98% of the work. The remaining 2% comes from the person who prompted it and the artists whose work it steals from. And once again, only humans can truly create art.
>>151136851What does pride have to do with being an artist? Another retarded luddite.
>>151136907A camera does 98% of all the work too. The 2% is pushing the fucking button.
my favorite Indian-ism is how indignant they get to the point of swearing like a sailor unprompted
>>151136910You keep using that word without knowing what it means
>>151136950I know more than you.
>>151136975You post on a mongolian basket-weaving forum bragging about the merits of being a robot, you absolutely don't.
>>151136477i just noticed that kek, i don't know why anyone would take this thread seriously
>>151136990And no one cares what you think.
>>151137034We know nobody cares what you think, bot
>>151136921No???? I can’t just tell a camera to capture a sunset or a zebra drinking from a watering hole. I still have to find that moment in the real world and take the photo myself, which is much easier said than done. You need the right light, the right angle, the right timing. Would you say a paintbrush does 98% of the work just because it’s the tool that applies the paint? Of course not, the human is the one making the decisions and creating the expression. It’s not even about whether A.I. images look good. It’s that A.I. will never have the same depth of intent, meaning, or emotional expression that a human brings to their art. A.I. art will always be slop, not because it looks flawed, but because there is no real human expression behind it.
>>151137079> You need the right light, the right angle, the right timing. All those things apply to AI Art you fool. >the human is the one making the decisions and creating the expression. Same with AI then.
there's like 3 different AI spam threads now
>>151137112If you could lock a man in a cave, completely cut off from the outside world, and if you gave him a brush, he could still create art, thanks to his imagination. Give him a camera, and he might even use the flash to play with shadows in creative ways. But give him A.I. , he gets nothing. It needs preexisting work to function. And not “need” in the way an artist might "need" other artists' work to create something new from that inspiration. A.I. takes things on a conceptual level; it doesn’t reference or reinterpret, it outright steals.Sure, forged art is still technically art, but even then, the forger still has to paint it by hand. That’s why when you print an image, your printer doesn’t suddenly become an artist; it’s just reproducing something mechanically, a one-to-one copy with no expression involved. A.I. is the same way.
>>151130908Nobody is talking about the video but AI certainly cannot save the script that this guy wrote, I mean holy hell talk about a completely unfunny and way too long "joke" that really isn't very good.Anyway the best way to fight AI is to simply ask an AI enthusiast for examples of popular and well-received AI short films with shot consistency, natural dialogue, and characters who aren't just standing around. There are literally no examples, so they can't.There are zero examples of AI filmmaking that are actually stories general audiences would pay money to see.
>>151137402>If you could lock a man in a cave, completely cut off from the outside world, and if you gave him a brush, he could still create art, thanks to his imagination.And paint what? The fucking rock in front of him? >Give him a camera, and he might even use the flash to play with shadows in creative ways.And the AI Artist can play with the random seed or denoiser settings. >A.I. takes things on a conceptual level; it doesn’t reference or reinterpret, it outright steals.Pattern recognition is not stealing. >That’s why when you print an image, your printer doesn’t suddenly become an artist; it’s just reproducing something mechanically, a one-to-one copy with no expression involved. A.I. is the same way.Bla bla bla. All this shit you spout and yet humans demonstrate they are more bland and unoriginal than machines. Such as the animator in the OP who just draws dancing versions of himself >>151131967 Stop thinking you're next the Davinci when you're closer to the Deviantart fetish diaper artist.
>>151137478They just deflect with "It'll come any day now" in the hopes you'll be retarded enough to believe them and wait.
>>151137478>No one will ever pay to see this heckin CGI thingy. Pixar should quit now.
>>151137621Considering how many normies say they liked how Toy Story looks vs how many ai still looks like shit after two years of improvement, you're not proving anything but that giving CGI to competent people is better than giving a state of the art tool to a monkey
>>151130908i think AI psychosis is a real thing. the amount of people people ive seen online who have just cropped up preaching the gospels of generative AI and how good it is while posting the most bland shit youve ever seen feels like its doubling every day.
>>151137642Normies like AI too you idiot. In fact, people are even buying their art if you look at their patreon subscriptions.
>Patreon subscriptionsWeaksauce
>>151133248>because the technology will get better and his content will look completed outdated in comparisonYeah, just like GPT-5 was a massive improvement. Oh wait.OpenAI was caught destroying evidence of them training off of copyrighted data.https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/openai-danger-authors-internal-slack-messageshttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/openai-risks-billions-as-court-weighs-privilege-in-copyright-row>>151135623Today has actually been a bevy of bad news for AI. Turns out even MSM is starting to catch on that this AI push is a flop and isn't doing remotely what it promised.https://youtu.be/8g5img1hTesInvestors are getting nervous as stocks are finally starting to deflate and failing to impresshttps://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.ft.com/content/a07c97d6-0780-4c3c-abc6-246fe19e5c5eShit's getting BAD, so it's no surprise they ramped up the AI spam again.
>>151137685>buying AI artBut I thought AI art was supposed to mean no one would ever need to pay for art ever againProved that you can't even stick to your own claims lol
>>151137722>$40k/monthgood heavens
>>151137685>Normies like AIlmao
>>151137722I firmly believe that shit like this is botted on some level, but it weirdly feels like people get pissy if you imply that someone is faking patreon subs>>151137743>Today has actually been a bevy of bad news for AI. Turns out even MSM is starting to catch on that this AI push is a flop and isn't doing remotely what it promised.I can already hear the AIfag howls of pain, shit's music to my ears
>>151136378God, it'll never not be funny how the Indian memes were 100 percent accurate all along.
>>151137514I honestly don’t know if I’m arguing with a child, a bot, or a retard. How are you even making these arguments?>And paint what? The fucking rock in front of him?So your mind can’t even grasp the idea that people can create things that don’t exist right in front of them? Imagination is part of what makes humans artists in the first place.>The AI artist can play with the random seed or denoiser settings.Yeah, imagine re-generating the same image over and over until you get something that’s not even great, just good enough. That’s not creativity; that’s luck. You can’t claim authorship over randomness. Just like my other example, if a camera slips out of your hands and takes a good image. No matter how good that image is, it's not art. >Pattern recognition isn’t stealing.I’m not even going to debate that, because it’s already well known that A.I. models reuse existing copyrighted artwork. It’s not just “recognizing patterns,” it’s built on other people’s creations and hard work.And where did you even get the idea that everyone who criticizes A.I. art is some pretentious douchebag? A.I. art is still derivative slop; nothing you’ve said actually challenges the core argument: A.I. lacks emotional expression, and that’s what real art is built on.
If you're already knowledgeable in a certain field of ai, you will always have a slight advantage over the unwashed pajeet who just throws words into a prompt. This is why I'm the ai art field you see niggers dumping 300+ images of trash in every hole of the Internet while someone who has any artistic skill (even the smallest bit) will know what 'looks good'.
>>151136265There are a lot of loras hidden inside people's patreons, saying that no one puts them behind paywalls is a flat lie.
>>151137756An AI Artist can curate and hand pick 1000 finished images for you and sell them for $5 a pack.An artfag will charge you $100 for a single uncolored sketch and still make excuses for why it took weeks to make.
>>151138234In my experience, a so-called "ai artist" will spam you with a million images that you never asked for, and act offended when you say it's not what you wanted. Whilst an actual artist will actually take your input, make something, and then when you tell them what you're dissatisfied with will actually change up the piece and continue to make said changes until you're satisfied.So I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences, but I'll take someone that actually makes what I want over someone flopping a turd onto my front porch and saying "it's close enough, I can't do any more"
>>151134080>TWO MORE YEARSYou faggots said this shit two years ago. It's improved, but only in superficial ways. It cannot be directed or controlled or corrected in any way that a proper show or movie would require. This technology is a dead end. The real AI that will be capable of the potential you keep jacking off about hasn't even been prototyped yet.
>>151138292>In my experience, a so-called "ai artist" will spam you with a million images that you never asked for, and act offended when you say it's not what you wanted.Spamming you with what images? Did you ask for an image of Superman and you got a million Superman pictures? That sounds like regular business.If you want to make changes all you have to do is ask. AI is much more faster at changing colors or altering poses than a human. >Whilst an actual artist will actually take your input, make something, and then when you tell them what you're dissatisfied with will actually change up the piece and continue to make said changes until you're satisfied.Incorrect. A human artist will make one (poorly edited) change and then charge you up the ass for the second or third revision you are not happy with. And when the piece is done they will claim you cannot share or use the art in a way they don't like.
>>151138328>It cannot be directed or controlledFake news. AI has more control these days it can literally be played like a video game. The improvements are exponential. It will soon be possible to type few a words and get an interactive world that's better than GTA5.
>>151138357This post is how I know you've never actually worked with an artist. There were no extra charges since the final product wasn't finished. That simple.>If you want to make changes all you have to do is ask. AI is much more faster at changing colors or altering poses than a human. So basically, completely ignore the so-called "ai artist" and do it yourself? That sounds sensible indeed.
>>151138394You don't know what "controlled" means in this context if you think being able to hallucinate your way between scenery that completely changes every time you look away is any form of directorial control.
>>151138406I've seen how they work and they are completely schizo. As in, having a long ass PDF sheet micro managing every single detail. You look at this and tell me Human artists are "normal". >So basically, completely ignore the so-called "ai artist" and do it yourself? That sounds sensible indeed.If you're skilled enough, sure. But as I explained, AI Artists often work in bulk. I rather have a big discount on hundreds of images I will receive in a day, then pay a hefty for an image that would take a month and look subpar next to AI.
>>151138413>You don't know what "controlled" means in this context if you think being able to hallucinate your way between scenery that completely changes every time you look away is any form of directorial control.It's not 2021 anymore. AI has very good memory these days.Also Human artists hallucinate and forget shit all the time.
>>151138486Bro there is absolutely nothing wrong what you posted
>>151138486That's a pretty standard agreement. "I'll show you what I'm planning, if it doesn't work tell me what does and I'll redo it until you like it". How that's somehow too much for you indicates you may have a brain problem.>I rather have a big discount on hundreds of images I will receive in a day, then pay a hefty for an image that would take a month and look subpar next to AI.Like most sane humans, I'd rather have one good image that I actually like than five million that I'm not satisfied with and told to just accept because the robot doesn't understand any better.
>>151138570"You cannot reproduce or use the art for any financial gain."That's gay nigga. The moment you bought something it's now yours. If I want to take the art and print new shirts with it that's my business.
>>151138641It outright says. "For private sketch and commission work". As in "intended for private use only". Which is listed separately from cover or commercial work, which is exactly what you pay someone to do when you want to print that shit on a t-shirt and sell it.
>>151138641why not contract a commercial designer instead of a random artist instead? retard
>>151138685It's still private. What I do with my purchase is my business. >>151138688Why don't you suck my balls? Bitch.
>>151138716Nigga, if you sign the contract and can't fucking read it when it outright tells you the best way to sell that shit, then you can't complain they're lying to you.
>>151138733There is no contract. It's just a little of crappy demands that only cucks follow.
>>151138759for such a crappy demand you seem really butthurt over it
>>151138771Not really when AI can now replace him.
>>151138759Any business interaction is a contract. If you can't accept that, then you should just accept that your ai scribbles will never amount to anything when everyone buys your shit and turns around and sells it for five times what they paid you.
>>151138790So if you buy a burger you want Mcdonalds to dictate how you can eat it? Fuck off.
>>151138809you should start asking chatgpt to make your arguments for you, you are too retarded to write by yourself
>>151138790They don't even have to pay for it, AI slop isn't copyrightable to begin with. You can stiff this idiot and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
>>151138809If I order a burger from Mcdonalds and get told I'm a retard for trying to sell that burger in the middle of a Wendy's for fifty times the price, rather than just eating the burger, then that's entirely on me. Or rather you, since you're the type who gets angry he can't spend five minutes to send an email to get it legally binding that he has the rights to sell the art he paid for, lol.
>>151138835If some chad wants to resell my AI pics then more power to him. AI users are not drama queens that artfags are.
>>151138858Then post your pictures here so we can upsell them or no balls
Btw, you faggots also missed the part that says the artist can "share or showcase the work on my site at any time". How is that private if only the artist can double dip? Selling the art after purchasing it is fair game.
>>151138518Then why the fuck can't it follow basic instructions without pulling the slot machine lever a few dozen times until it accidentally does what you tell it to do?
>>151136896I mean retards will do the same shite over and over again thinking things will change. Besides most of the shills don’t really want to improve in life, just let some shit prompt box do it for them and pretend it’s a legitimate tool. Basically >>151136907
>>151138955Consider the following: The contract outright outlines that if you intend to sell the art commercially, you just need to contact the artist to do it. You can't complain about the artist withholding shit from you when they tell you directly what you can do if you feel this art is worth selling to another instead of keeping to yourself. Read, nigga, read.
>>151138987>You can't complain about the artist withholding shit from you when they tell you directly what you can do if you feel this art is worth selling to another instead of keeping to yourself.So if they approach me after I resold the art? That's fair. But if they approach me before I sell it and they have questions? They can piss off. The transaction was already completed. It's none of their business anymore.
>>151139033>pays a dude to exclusively sell them a picture>"What do you mean I can't just turn around and sell that picture off? That's fucking bullshit!">"What? No, I didn't read the part of the agreement that said that if I intended to sell it, I should talk to you ahead of time. How is that at all relevant?">"What do you mean I'm getting sued for breaching the agreement? That's bullshit, I paid for it, I can do what I want with it, up to and including doing shit I explicitly refused to make an agreement on to begin with"And this shit is why aifags aren't going to make money and will just be sued into oblivion
>>151139068The only thing you can talk to is my balls. If I intend to sell something in private, then it's still for private use. Snooping and getting on my ass for something that doesn't involve you is weird.
>>151139136You're the weird one who doesn't understand business 101 in that making an agreement to something that you then back out of out of greed won't get you sued to oblivion by every lawyer exploiting your lack of sensibility. Otherwise you wouldn't be paying money for an "exclusive" picture in the first place, you'd be paying money for a commercial picture. Retard.
>>151139170Again, how can you prove or know what I did with the picture in private? If you're asking for receipts, I can just say I gifted them for free.
>>151139198If you're as dumb as I think you are, you'd brag about it on twitter on how you're sticking it to the mean stinky artist on how you resold this private commission for several times what you paid for it, then act shocked when it gets screenshot and used against you as an admission of guilt
>>151139247Once again, ai users are not drama queens. Especially when the point was you don't have to disclose any information to the artist on what happened to the private picture once the initial transaction is over.If the artist approaches you with an accusation and they can't prove it, then yes, I would screenshot that and brag about it.
>>151139307>ai users are not drama queens>The only thing you can talk to is my balls. No, I'm pretty sure you are, especially since you're getting over a boilerplate agreement any professional would use.
>>151139326Talking to balls is a metaphor that you don't owe someone shit, especially when they fail to come up with any evidence of wrongdoing. All you have are accusations and not something concrete.
>>151139359Knowing your type, you'd openly brag about it to the artist's face to demand they retaliate, then become shocked that they actually take you p on that offer. If you're stupid enough to not understand the difference between commercial and exclusive, then you're stupid enough to incriminate yourself and act appalled that you were caught
>>151139368It's still an exclusive when nobody but the originally commissioner knows what happened to the pic. The rest can butt out and mind their own business.
>>151139386Again, anyone retarded enough to not know the legal definition of exclusive vs commercial is stupid enough to brag about breaching a contract, considering you admitted you would and your post indicates you've got an iq in the 40s range
>>151138809>Food analogy
>>151138858>It's not my codeI even comment where I got it from when I do that
>>151138518>AI has very good memory these days.I'm on turn 75 of an AI generated story using the latest Claude model to run it and it's changed my father's profession twice already and the character I just fucked forgot we did this yesterday. The only memory it has is the last couple turns and the summary the system prompt is instructed to periodically update. Don't pretend you know how any of this shit works.
>>151139170>by every lawyerNigga they won't get out of bed for less than 80 grand, your fucking adoptable isn't going to court
>>151139307>ai users are not drama queensYou should have met the one who was furious Civitai wouldn't let him post images without metadata allowing other users to remix his SPESHUL SEKRIT TECHNIQUES to make their own variants of it. He was indignant af at being reminded he had likely remixed other image-makers to learn his technique and that if this was important to him he could go post his EXIF-wiped JPEGs on dA.They exist, we just shit all over them.
>>151139495So you're basically admitting that no lawyer would defend your retardation. Thank you for finally admitting you're too stupid to understand law, much less art. Good day.
>>151139406Ten years ago most commission artists did not throw licensing agreements into what they did, in large part because the bulk of their work involved other people's IPs and they had no ground to stand on. If I want an artist to draw OCs of mine it's usually in the context of work-for-hire like sprite art where they will be credited in the final product but it's not ending up on a shirt or coffee mug.I understand where these folks are coming from and where it is is "I put ten thousand hours into mastering a skill whose professional potential imploded even before AI hit the scene and I'm fucking mad"
>>151139581I'm saying no attorney will bother with what looks like small claims court to defend a copyright. And that's not me talking, that's my brother who actually practices business law and has done so for 3 decades, because I asked him this years ago.
>>151138955>the part that says the artist can "share or showcase the work on my site at any time"I've had hard feelings over an artist who did something for me then put it up on a booru without telling me and she agreed she owed me a new pic.But that's because she never told me she'd do that, not because I couldn't read terms.
>>151139644>that's my brother talkingProve it with a timestamp and picture
>>151138394>AI has more control these days it can literally be played like a video game.Let those of us who work with stills, video, code and story generation talk, kid. You fucking around in Midjourney did not make you an expert.>The improvements are exponential. They absolutely are not. We're seeing incremental improvements. LLMs are not designed to do half the things we're asking them to and they still don't understand hierarchies or context. And LLMs themselves will tell you those can't be stapled into the tech, it needs to be recreated from the ground up. Grok doesn't think any more than ChatGPT 4o does. Larger training sets only do a better job of convincing people who don't know better that thinking is happening but it still isn't.>It will soon be possible to type few a words and get an interactive world that's better than GTA5.My nephew actually really truly works for Rockstar (business end not dev) and he says the company is aware GTA is a dead franchise at this point, AI won't save it, and they have no idea what they're going to do. People will get bored with AI generated sandboxes as quickly as they did procedural.
>>151139695We actually talk on the phone, anon. Not everything comes with a fucking screenshot button. Attorneys have bills to pay and chasing bullshit internet fights will make them poorer.
>>151139482I know more than you do faggot.
>>151139816Yeah, I totally believe you. Not.
>>151138328The problem with what you just said is that it SOUNDS like a doomer talking while to those of us balls-deep in it, we actually understand what you're saying. This shit is plateauing as we speak and the best we're going to see are tweaks that make our movie clips of celebrities undressing longer but no closer to a production pipeline than before. To retards who only care if the boobies are big enough or it looks like Scarlett Johansen, they think industries have the same nonexistent standards as themselves. If this shit worked like that James Cameron would have made the last Avatar movie with it. He WANTS it to but he's going to learn the hard way.
>>151139784>Let those of us who work with stills, video, code and story generation talk, kid. You fucking around in Midjourney did not make you an expert.Show us your work then. If it's some Deviantart level crap you have no room to talk. >They absolutely are not. We're seeing incremental improvements. LLMs are not designed to do half the things we're asking them to and they still don't understand hierarchies or context. And LLMs themselves will tell you those can't be stapled into the tech, it needs to be recreated from the ground up. Grok doesn't think any more than ChatGPT 4o does. Larger training sets only do a better job of convincing people who don't know better that thinking is happening but it still isn't.AI made big leaps every year, that it's now creating entire videos from scratch and matching them with lip sync. I and most people do not care if it's not 100% perfect. But the fact it now gets close to 98% every time is mind blowing. The retards who deny this are often the first whose jobs are getting replaced. >People will get bored with AI generated sandboxes as quickly as they did procedural.Except this is an AI sandbox that can have infinite scenarios, missions, levels custom made and tailored to any taste or preference I want.Instead of waiting 10 years for Rockstar to make GTA: Florida, AI will be able to create GTA Hawaii, Seattle, Houston, Detroit etc without breaking a sweat.You're foolish to think gamers wont immediately drop Rockstar for the now superior alternatives.
>>151139892You morons said the same thing in 2022.Now AI is getting dangerously closer to creating full cartoon episodes that are almost flawless to the naked eye.2026 will be balls out crazy and you will look like a bigger idiot.
>>151139907And you're an idiot for putting the cart before the horse like the rest of your ilk
>>151136602No photographer that thinks of themselves as an artist has ever made anything worthwhile. Look up a list of the greatest photographers ever and most will insist they're documentarians far more than artists
>>151139829Generating futa orcs isn't proof of your broad knowledge of stable diffusion, LLMs or tensors, anon. Train an original character LoRA others can use before you stand on your chair to look taller, Mahinder.
>>151139944The words>closer>almostare doing a LOT of heavy lifting here lol
>>151139987Just because you watched a 10 minute youtube video doesn't make you an expert either Siddharthajeet.Also your whores look like Barbie dolls that fell under a Chevy truck.
>>151139944No I was using this tech in 2022 and mainly what's changed is higher resolution imagery, slightly better video clips of roughly the same length, and more consistent lighting. One of the highest-end photorealistic image models out there still can't depict a thumbs-down 3 years after it was released. Physics are still mediocre, clothing is functionally weird skin so nipple bumps poke through, navels appear on one-piece swimsuits, and we still get attribute bleeding with multiple characters if they aren't baked in like Disney princesses. And forget sex for more than a few seconds. We're the people using this shit every day, it's not a skill issue. It's the perimeter of the tech's capabilities and those things are foundational not patchable. Every good picture or video came out of a group where the other 3 were unusable, we just don't post them.
>>151140129You posted garbage.
>>151140156Good thing it's not mine but you're probably too young to recognize the character which is half the point of the image>I will defeat your point by insulting your pictures while I contribute nothing because I don't actually understand how to use thisYou must be 18+ to post here.
>>151140049I've somehow managed to avoid YouTube. Everything was reading, asking questions and following other people's examples. This isn't video games. >Barbie whoresPYW
>>151139907>now superior alternativesOf Google Maps so you can finally play GTA: Evanston Have fun with that
>>151140250Still looks like retarded shit.
>AI is threatening my life
>>151139907>GTA>a multifaceted game where literally no aspect of it development-wise is some trivial thing>the very reason why development time takes so fucking long, even at their earliest for GTA 6 being 2014 >AI can just shit out another GTA like its nothing!!! >YIPPEE!!!!You are so utterly fucking delusional, you fucking low iq consoomer on my fucking shit. You like to imagine in all that it possibly can and try to force that shit on others like you've done on this thread, but not smart enough to think about the reality of its limits.
>>151140431Except the 2000s era of gaming debunks that.They had more titles coming out more frequently that offered you plenty to do.Now each title takes a decade to release and locks content behind paywalls. None of that is worth my time. I'll take the AI option the second it opens up. I don't care if the entitled artists bitch and go bankrupt for taking so long to launch a game.
>>151140570AI can't even make a decent pong clone. You're hyping yourself up for nothing.
>>151137743Funny that the gigashill in this thread refused to touch this post with a 10-foot pole
people arguing against ai sound exactly the same as Metallica did when they tried to stop Napster. exact same shit. music artists and record companies trying to stop mp3s sharing how many of you use itunes and Spotify now? how many of you bought a music CD in the past 5 years? how many of you use Netflix instead of blu ray? wasn't the vrc player supposed to end the movie theaters back in the 70s or 80s?
>>151137743>>151137805every single app you use has ai on it. Instagram, meta, Facebook, Whatsapp, twitter obviously, you can create ai art on all those platforms. but Uber has ai integration in it, itunes, Spotify, just any fucking app you use has some kind of ai incorporated. how the fuck are you gonna stop this when your fucking phone has Gemini on it? >the bubble will burstwhat bubble? what fucking bubble? every fucking computer program or phone app you use has some form of ai moderation. your fucking car probably has some ai if it has apps or any tablet features. are you gonna become fucking Amish?
>>151140668Ultra poor examples, because I don't pay for itunes, Spotify, music CDs, Netflix, blu rays, video tapes, or movies. Music and movies nowadays are shit that I don't care to pay for. Just like I don't give a flying fuck about AI because it's shit and I don't need my tax money going to some pie in the sky bullshit regarding a technology that's been given far too many chances to actually answer for all the hype that's been pumped into this bubble, and now I feel nothing but contempt knowing that this bubble is going to pop and all the rich fucks that ponzi schemed their way through this off the backs of the average schmuck are going to get away with wasting all this money scott free while everyone else has to deal with a rotten hollowed out carcass of an economy. All cause a bunch of retards believed that just pumping more and more data into computers will make it exponentially better rather than plateauing if they just wish for it hard enough like they're Gepetto wishing for a son.
>>151140712>flip open manuals to learn how to disable AI from devices>do it>continue to liveWooooooooooooooooooooooooow
>>151140712incredibly puckered luhMEOW
>>151136602I don't think photographers deserve as much respect as they do. Point and click bitch.
Getting cucked by corpos either way. I don't see how this is a win. At least before I wasn't directly told to fuck off, it was just implied.
>>151140732Amen brotherHopefully, when we're all dumpster diving for scrapes at the end, the AIjeets who got scammed into shilling this shit will entertain us by having massive public psychotic break downs
