She's so fucking stupid now
>>151215405Viv has got to to stop talking about the show online like this. Shut up and disappear until it's between seasons.
>>151215405Why do creatives just assume we'll relate to or like whatever their personal experiences are just because they wrote them onto a character? Are they narcissists?
>>151215435>Are they narcissists?You have to be the kind of person who is comfortable with stepping on toes to get into this kind of position today. Ego is a must.
>>151215435>Are they narcissists?With a heavy dose of egotism to push it along.
>>151215460>>151215468There's nothing wrong with a bit of artistic ego, as pointed out already it's somewhat necessary, but Viv is a totally self-absorbed retard. There's a big difference.Just like it takes some level of ego to point a webcam at yourself and start spouting your opinions on Youtube, but notice the tendency of a lot of Youtubers to actually start believing that their audience isn't there for whatever content got them popular in the first place, but actually care about THEM personally? Then you get eight-hour-at-a-time live streams of them waffling boring shit about their pathetic personal lives and problems as if anyone gives a fuck, encouraged by a minority of dick-lickers, (they start believing their own press). That's when people start leaving and they can't figure out why.Imagine going through the McDonald's drive thru and the manager talking about all his problems of running a McDonald's franchise, his problems at home, and how he's feeling that day, every single time instead of just shutting the fuck up and giving you your goddamned burger. Doing that kind of shit used to be widely understood as an elementary mistake in business.Even actors and people in entertainment that people THINK they want to hear the opinions of used to have crafted and at least slightly aloof public images, lest people discover that their favourite on-screen hero is just some uninteresting faggot actor who is boring as shit IRL when a writer isn't feeding them lines, and currently obsessed with some third-rate gay arse stage play they're involved in that nobody gives a fuck about.And these faggots wonder why social media blows up in their stupid, and in this case fat, face.
>>151215435Doing any kind of creative work you'll put your personal lived experience into it even if you don't realize it. Not trying to defend Vivzie tho. Charlie is specially terrible.This season feels like a huge cope. With the Vees taking the part of the big meanie Vivzie critics who misunderstand or bend her shows to make her look bad and she's the poor little girl trying to defend herself.
>>151215405>uses asterisks in her fucking 30sthese kinds of people are retarded
>>151215435For the past 50 years or so some retard, I don't know who started it, but some legitimate retard has been pushing>Write what you know, write about yourself, your own life experiences Onto writing classes for artists and it is the dumbest nigger babble writing advice known to man and if I had a time machine I would travel back in time and slowly torture the first person who said it to death and leave their corpse abnormally mutilated as a temporal anomaly archeologists find years later.
>>151215856Which is funny because it has never worked in history. Quixote? Purely fictional, Cervantes wasn't any of the characters, everybody loved it. Tolkien? Purely fictional, Tolkien wasn't any of the characters, everybody loved it. The Witcher? Purely fictional, Sapkwoski wasn't any of the characters, everybody loved it. Now, Simpsons. Based on Groening's family but only in the structure as in 2 sisters, worker father and housewife. Character wise it's still purely fictional, everybody loved the concept when it came out, now it's been corrupted but the family structure still works. Gravity Falls, same deal. Based on Alex's summer vacations with his grandfather. Pilot looked like shit, Disney censors were like "put a hot redhead and make it funnier" and everybody loved it, and it diverged enough from his experience that Dipper wasn't him, although Mabel probably remained like his sister. It worked despite being based on real people. Why? Because his sister was fun IRL so he put a fun person in the show. Everybody else in every other show? "Oh I am making a show so I'm gonna put myself in it, I'm a very interesting person or I have unaddressed traumas that I am going to use the show to vent!" and then the show is shit because the person self inserting wasn't interesting so the character they made didn't fall far from the tree. Like that whole thing in the Owl House where Bosha had a super crush on Amity all of a sudden, simply because Amity is Dana's self insert and Bosha is based on some popular girl that Dana hit on and got turned down, so she "fixed" that in the cartoon by making Amity turn down the interpretation of the person that turned her down. Like, on paper, very cathartic for the writer. But as entertainment for the audience, it looks weird, out of nowhere, and fucking boring.
>>151215405Her personal experience involves blocking a highway with the truck she's driving to illegally cross the median?
>>151215405I saw this thread in the catalog and actually thought you guys were talking about this guy for a minute
>>151215856I guess it depends on how it's done, if you have live experiences that you think are interesting and unique enough to be depicted in a story then go for it. If you're a narcissistic shut-in who uses a story for self-therapy then keep that shit to yourself.
>>151215405She's such a satanist she only wants to upset christians
You can write a flawed character and still be engaging. Charlie is a flawed character who is annoying and has had no growth at all. It's just offensively bad writing. There was no need to do what they did with Charlie and Angel that way. It was forced drama. I get the whole point is 'media bad' but you could have done it way better.
>>151215856I mean there are two reasons why you want to base your story on your personal or real experiences, 1 is because you have something on your chest that you really want to express and you believe that art and animation is probably the best way how to express it (and also because it's one of your main hobbies) and 2 it's because you probably don't want to your story to feel homogenous or derivative from every other story in media if you base your creation too much on the same media that you love currently or as a child with little variation then the work itself probably feels less special or less like a personal touch from an art and creative standpoint, your work is pretty much no different than the other dozens of works that you were inspired by mainly.
>>151216345>>151216311It’s a skill issue that inexperienced writers take too literally and concretely until their perception develops. Same way artists are told to draw from observation when starting fundamentals, but really good drawing invents details based on observations, rather than just copying exactly what the eye sees.
>>151216311>Tolkien? Purely fictional, Tolkien wasn't any of the characters, everybody loved it.Anon-kun...
>>151216336He was out of character but that was mostly in the orb, he did apologize.
>>151216336Get bamboozled
>>151216345Every egotistical fucktard thinks *their* life story is somehow interesting. That is what makes it terrible advice.
>>151215416hot
>>151215435Because most writers, and especially wokie writers can't ever express their experiences other than at a surface level. And even then, their so called "experiences and trauma" are extremely trivial and over-blown. It's why their works continually have no soul. What, is Vivizie's experiences just wresting with her poorly misunderstood religiosity and her degeneracy and trying to come to terms that she probably believes self-consciously she's going to hell, and hoping it'll be better than it being the original lore-accurate? Or that she see's herself as a Christ-like alternative to redemption because fundamentally she can't come to terms that lore-accurate Heaven has some rules and you have to abide by them and so too, those entering? This goes the same with every other dopey ass wokie/lgbtq/wanna-be-victim trying to make themselves seem holier-than-thou with a story that needs to be told.
>>151215435>why do writers write about their own experiences>they should write about things they know nothing about!Why are audiences so thoroughly retarded
>>151216311>TolkienNigga what? He's famously known for inserting a lot of himself and his wife, friends, family, etc. into the story and characters and it's why so many of them feel believable
>>151218403>taking what's being said this literally>implying every lived experience is created equalYou're as retarded as Vivzie
>>151218403Because the entertainment industry has a captive audience and said entertainment industry is politically captured in the death grips of endless purity spirals. Where else can the normie go to consume their slop? There aren't any alternatives unless they go back to consume older works. And it's not like normies are all that adventurous to begin with, with their media and consumption.
>>151218380>And even then, their so called "experiences and trauma" are extremely trivial and over-blownYour woke bugbear aside, this is a major weakness in today’s shows. The stakes and character conflicts are limited to angsting in the suburbs/college without the grounded self awareness that makes suburban angst work
>>151218403>they should write about things they know nothing about!They could just you know "create"
>>151218416The difference being he wove it into the story enough that it isn't apparent until "he" the writer pointed it out in his notes. Tolkien did a far more masterful job of writing his experiences and feelings into his works than most. The destruction of the English countryside lifestyle as he watched industrialization slowly take over. The Hobbits themselves and their Shire was a direct yearning for a simpler time before the hells of WW1 and WW2 began to show the true horrors that awaited at the footsteps of modernity and industrialized killing. Even then, his "orcs" were far more nuanced and place holders for the enemies he had to fight in WW1, and he gave them a sympathetic backstory that the "orcs" used to be elves that were horribly corrupted and twisted by Morgoth and became the broken race that they were. Tolkien did a far better job of internalizing his issues into a palatable format than most of any of these retarded wokies who are just barely functioning neo-Marxists.
>>151218538And what do they use as a base?
>>151218534>Your woke bugbear asideIt's really not, and there was another thread that did a deep dive into this and the industry itself (as well as the educational institutions behind it) that skirted along the lines of an East vs West discussion and dissection. Since most people aren't aware of how cooked and politicized the animation industry is behind closed doors, same with the comic industry in the US/West.>The stakes and character conflicts are limited to angsting in the suburbs/college without the grounded self awareness that makes suburban angst workBecause they have no real struggle and it's just selfish egotism of writing about their metropolitan sex lives into their stories. As though it's some grandiose narrative that should be celebrated and poured, and looked over when it's just luxury navel gazing and thinly veiled political propaganda. The true litmus test is most of the creatives in the industry are open activists, and the propaganda and their personal experiences come at the expense of storytelling and entertainment.
>>151218624 this this thing called imagination
>>151218671And the imagination is built upon....c'mon you're so close.....
>>151218694You're an idiot if you're implying imagination is wholly and completely in the realm of personal experience, which shows how much of a concave cranium creators these idiots truly are. Since they can't write anything that isn't directly tied to themselves or are able to let the character write itself, in that if you've never written before, it's hard to explain.
>>151218670>and there was another thread I’d be interested to read that if you remember which thread it was.
>>151217823He never published any of the Beren and Luthien stuff, and kept revising it.
>>151218761>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/151183663/
>>151218670>>151218761Also, here's another good litmus test. With regards to AT and the general miasma of bullshit personal experiences into media. Rebecca Sugar going behind CEO backs to slowly turn AT into a gay mellow-drama despite Rebecca Sugar already having nearly complete control over her own IP of Steven Universe for her to push her ideas and experiences. It's nothing more than activism and political propaganda at that point. She had a job to do, and she sacrificed story telling and consistency of another IP and ran it into the ground for politics, she even admits it in interviews. Again, to emphasis the fact that she had near complete control of SU and still chose to push her politics into other peoples works at the expense of the story and consistency. Hence, propaganda.
>>151215674Hilariously and eloquently worded response. It's very true. Viv just can't help herself. It's too tempting to not keep huffing your own farts and scrolling. More people would benefit from not talking to their fans as much.
>>151215433>Vivzie>not venting her narcissistic assMaybe when pigs fly and cows can do skate tricks, anon.
>>151219253Sadly SU is one of the only shows that took this advice and used it correctly by exaggerating and using magic
>>151220185The only thing that wasn't on the nose for the layman to understand were all the sexual allegories of merging with other gems and beings. That, in hindsight, makes the whole series seem even more bizzaro and weirder. Especially when looking at all her works and statements and especially her shota Ed, Edd and Eddy porn and her comments about exposing children to sexuality. It's just fuckin creepy at that point to near thinly veiled grooming on a media level. But this also falls into another rabbit hole of representation and the weird need of activists for having to push/force fucking sexuality and sexual identity onto kids and alt-sexual-lifestyles. It's fuckin bizzaro world out there and same with the freaks in the industry.
>>151220338I’d still take 10 more years of SU over 1 minute of your babbling
>>151220430Good, so enjoy your shitty gay-coded grooming slop for the next 10 years normie.
>>151215433That will never happen lol
