Why does /v/ have such a problem with her? She's part of the franchise, you can't just look away.
>>151294235You should go and ask them instead of us.
Literally only good when tsundere for Sonic.
>>151294260I thought people HATED this characterization and think anyone doing it is just shippers who have no business discussing the character.
>>151294235Complete jobber who failed to deliver on everything she was marketed as, presently reduced to crackshipping fuel which is mistaken by Sega as being a success.
>>151294235I don't, its just that she has never had a good issue
>>151294235>She's part of the franchise, you can't just look away.Doesn't stop me from doing it to the retarded lemur and the crybaby wolf.
>>151294235Videogames screencaps aren't /co/, next time post one of her comic book panels or this would be seen as off topic
>>151294235Zeena is better then her
>>151294235She is a shittier Metal Sonic with lady-flesh and a sidekick.>I was created to replace Sonic and I am not my own person, and will not be until Sonic is dead and so I hate him and want to kill himThat is just Metal Sonic's backstory. I do not care for this stupid green bitch and I'm sick of seeing her and that retarded fennec simp
>>151294243>>151295965You had your fun deleting the last Sonic thread. Would you stop being a fake ass janny for once?
>>151295965Lady-flesh goes a long way.
>>151296058>You had your fun deleting the last Sonic thread. Would you stop being a fake ass janny for once?I genuinely do not know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm just voicing out my distaste for her.
>>151296058meds now
Surge is my favorite little Ryona slut
>>151296627She is good for ryona, I'll give her that
>>151296384This thread.https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/151243391/Begs me to wonder why when a Dispatch thread is basically 90% fake janny comments and that is still up.
>>151296877The Dispatch thread shouldn't be here period
It'd be nice if they could settle on an alignment for her, but otherwise she's fine.Way better than Scourge anyway.
>>151296795Ryona has an odd middle ground it has to maintain.People want to see a girl get smacked around but not in a way that ruins their natural beauty. Missing teeth, black eyes, cuts...I think people into ryona actually find that a turn-off. That's why a lot of ryona is them getting punched in the stomach or put into a submission hold.
>>151297069Well it looks a lot like those Hot Wheels CGI cartoon movies...
>>151295965>People still pretending Metal Sonic was good in anything except that one OAV
>>151294235/v/ get like that whenever /co/ tries to influence games (but they ignore that Samus Aran's backstory comes 100% from Nintendo Power comics)
Wait, I thought she WAS in the games now?
>>151301250Her comic/manga backstory was overly-edgy garbage (assuming we're talking about the same thing about Ridley eating her parents or w/e) anyways. As far as I'm concerned, nothing is canon outside of the main four 2D games, Prime trilogy, Prime Hunters, and Federation Force.
>>151302721Anon, the first game gave no story except "Samus exists and is a bounty hunter (except the Japanese think Bounty Hunter = Treasure Hunter = Adventurer that finds money along the way).Her being raised by the Chozo was made up in the Nintendo Power comic. THE CHOZO were made up in the comic, in the original game there's just some bird-headed statues. Without comics her story would just be "turns out there's a girl under that armor."
>>151302764Eh, Zero Mission makes it clear she was raised by them too. You don't need to have read a comic to know that.
>>151302780You misunderstand. The Nintendo Power comic came out in the 90s tied in with Super Metroid. Like a decade before Zero Mission. It's where Zero Mission got the story. It's where all of Metroid got a story.
>>151302820No, I understand what you meant. You misunderstand me, which is "If it's not in the games directly, I don't care." I don't mean that rudely, just, I don't really care about the comics or whatever. It's inherently lesser canon to me, it doesn't matter if it served as inspiration for the games. Especially when every game since Other M has also completely lost the plot - I'd rather pare it back to the bare essentials for what I consider to truly BE Metroid.Rolling it back to Sonic, SATAM and Archie were the inspiration for Forces' setup. Does that make me care about or like SATAM or Archie, let alone consider them canon? Nnnnope.
>>151302845The point was that /v/ bitches and moans about the stuff bleeding into games from other media NOW, except they don't give a damn if the bleeding happened when they were young. The entire story of Metroid originated in a comic adaptation from the 90s. There was basically no story at all in the games, everything had to be created from scratch for the comic, and from that moment on every game that followed took things created for the comic. And nobody gives a fuck because it happened either when the /v/tards were young or not even born yet. Give it a few years, the next generation won't give a fuck what things originated from Sonic comics/cartoons.
>>151302882I'm not /v/, I have my own opinions thanks.
>>151297933Seeing how grotesque most of non-vanilla porn is, I think going off the standard hot body types is fine, even if it means damaging the body like ruining their asshole or giving them injuries that can still maintain the suspension of disbelief that there is still pleasure to be had is fine. I think some light bruising in the eye and cheeks can be hot for ryona or even a tooth that's missing, but in a clean way. The gist of what you're saying is right though anon. The difficulty lies in making the bruises add to the intensity of the scene instead of turning them into a swollen fruit. You can do pretty much anything as long as you can still tell the character is hot underneath and that it's not so violent that the sexual part of the mind shuts down for you and the characters. It's just a twisted version of making certain body parts more sensitive. Crying is also a big part of it. It's basically hot distortions that work in very broadly the same way as being fucked silly or having the makeup melt from her face as she cries or sweats can look hot.t.artist that occasionally dabbles in ryona.
>>151294235Troons are stimulating their clitties and axewounds to her
>>151296058The longer you seethe, the more you look like an unhinged schizo
>>151302882Why should you, or anyone for that matter, give a shit about what /v/ thinks? Same board that has more complaints than actual vidya talk? Same board that shits on literally WHO indie games while praising gachashit all because "muh DEI"? Same board that is fine with predatory microtransacrions, lack of testing, general enshittification all to "own" the libzzzzz? It's been also proven that these mofos don't even READ about the shit they hate, and lately I've been noticing that a good chunk can barely write coherent English.
>>151303064That'll be the whole "three Qs" nonsense that infested America. Still kills me that people were showing up to school meetings to protest the most asinine not-real stuff possible, meanwhile it turns out we'd adopted a literacy program that didn't teach kids true reading comprehension, just how to game the system and past literacy tests in lower grade levels without getting the skills they actually needed. "Just memorize a bunch of important words and get used to guessing with everything else." Fucking hell.
>>151294235What the hell kind of autist actually reads sonic comics
>>151303196What the hell kind of autist actually reads comics
>>151303247What the hell kind of autist actually reads
>>151294235>She's part of the franchise, you can't just look away.Watch me.
>>151295965When you think about it having emotions and punk ones at that, a sidekick who's actually more fucked up, and actually having a life before being forced to be a copy of someone else are all significant departures from Metal Sonic.
>>151294235my problem is that she's not heavily pregnant because of me right the fuck now
>>151303196Me
>>151294235She's green
>>151294235
>>151305318Stop looking at her ass, tho
>>151302682At best just a mobile appearance in something like Sonic Forces: Speed Battle (which I don't even know if that's true or not).
>>151294235Remind me whats her purpose again?
>>151306462She is. There are a couple of games that are basically identical to one another that she Tangle and Whisper are in.
>>151302682>>151306462>>151306605And it's always the spin-off games that don't matter plot-wise. Tangle and Whisper fans cheer as their totally "canon" characters appear in the same game as Spongebob fucking Squarepants. Archie characters are gonna be in that Sonic party game too soon, so Sega is down to pump out any character of note from the past in their microtransaction and DLC heavy games for maximum money.
>>151306483Fake Sonic number six.
>>151306648BUT WITH GIRL PARTS AND EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE.
>>151306803Blaze did it first.
>>151294235>>151306803>>151306844>Elemental female speedster>Topknot>Flat chest>Fat butt>Has water powered sidekick
>>151306870...shit. I didn't realize this before.
>>151295965Shadow: Begone, has been.
>>151306870
>>151294235Not enough futa art
>>151294235I don't really care for her, I always thought Blaze was a better female polar opposite of Sonic or whatever.
>>151306632>Archie characters are gonna be in that Sonic party game too soonYou hope
Anyway, with Tangle and Whisper getting in a real game (so awesome) she's probably next.
>>151306632I don't trust Xitter screencaps of people "looking in the code"
>>151308754bot post
>>151310007....bot?
>>151310028Sorry, "Badnik."
>>151306632>putting canon in scare quotes
Does /co/ like Sage? Will you be reading her mini?
>>151311224Don't see why not.
>>151311224She's a bit detrimental to keep around. All the horrible shit Eggman has pulled and will likely continue to pull, if he genuinly cares about Sage as much as Frontiers halfassedly tried to imply he does, then it's going to be a problem with her having turned face at the game's end.
>>151294235Lol I dunno
>>151296627>>151296795Love the fact that this stupid bitch can take a beating.
>>151314134
>>151303006Scourge is a whiny daddy issues faggot
It‘s insane side characters like the wolf and other thing are getting toys/game appearances while a prominent villain gets nothing.
>>151303006Maybe so.He still won.
>>151314769She's not a villain anymore.
>>151311224Evil people have children too, I don’t get why people find this so hard to wrap their heads around.
>>151297942So?
>>151295965But have you considered she's a reference to beloved glitch character Ashura
I don't really have a problem with her conceptually. But they really fucked up on her execution.She's specifically designed to be an anti-sonic but already had her fucking sob story and de-escalation TWO ENCOUNTERS in. She immediately went from an extremely useful character for keeping momentum in the comic going to just... being another orbiter with no agency. Of which this series has far too many already.
Silver is part of the franchise too, I still don't give a fuck about him.
>>151303006*Shits diaper*
>>151316367>SilverChrist, they knew the 06 timeline needed to go and this absolute abortion shamelessly trying to recreate the hype of Shadow only to backfire pathetically still manages to hold on this franchise like a tumor shitting up the Blaze/Negaverse with time travel bullshit.
>>151294243/v/ jannies are notoriously banhappy for anything even mildly off-topic. i got a 3-day for posting a general there a while ago. i can't imagine a character glazing thread would fair much better.
I just hate that this comic feels like a continual cycle of introducing new OCs before the last batch are even done cooking. And they always seem to get thrown aside when the new toy shows up.
>>151316436You can't even make a deltarune thread there.
>>151316449i kinda wish that /pol/ had the same level of moderation. soooo many paid shills there.
>>151294235She's boring and her aesthetic is fake punk for toddlers.
>>151311224she cute.would give headpats
BRING BACK INFINITE YOU FUCKS!
>>151316532He's canonically a projection of one of the proto phantom rubies. You essentially have to do the phantom ruby plot line for the third time to have him around. It's the same reason we never see Chaos Zero even though he's popular enough to still get merch, and they had to exploit explicit time fuckery to get Mephiles back for one minute.
>>151316532Infinite belongs to the trash bin along Silver.
Not canon
>>151297942That's because it is a CGI cartoon movie.
>>151303006also Scourge: How does my super form work again?
>>151302968That's dishonest ryona. If you don't like seeing the character realistically damaged, you are a fake ryona fan.>>151302882>/co/ thread about Sonic has to care what /v/ thinks about MetroidAmazing
>>151306870>Fat buttIs there a single character other than Big that this is true for?
>>151310761I think what she means is that if we're acting like Crossworlds makes them canon because it's a Sonic Team game, that goes for the other DLC characters too.
>>151314695And Surge is a well adjuste- oh she's even worse and more pathetic.
>>151316353I thought you guys liked character development
>>151316458>/pol/ whiningYou can't honestly be serious.
Technically Scourge is canon and in every game since he's literally Sonic. Archie won. Ken Penders won.
>>151316446>I just hate that this comic feels just like the gamesFans actually like that the comics are more like the games, unc
>>151295965I fucking love Metal, but he hasn't been remotely important since Heroes. We better pray the fourth movie gives him a whole new generation of fans.
>>151294235The Sonic community is like the god-king of internet autism, and the one thing autists hate more than anything is something different. Surge is an obvious replacement for Scourge, and they will eternally foam at the mouth over it. I'm biased since even when I was little I thought Scourge was a comically hokey and embarrassing concept for a character, and his execution rarely amounted to more than an edgy 90's bully.Other things working against Surge:>Female>Loses to Sonic (despite every villain doing this)>Feels sad sometimes>Is ultimately treated like a victim>Has a dweeb for a sidekick
>>151310001People "looking in the code" is how we knew Tangle and Whisper were going to be on Crossworlds months before the reveal
>>151316532you just know sega must regret wasting infinite (or at least his powers) on some level, in shadow gens black doom did infinite's schtick but actually good
>>151294293she at this point has nothing better her best to characterizations are>Tsundere to sonic and friends trying to be punk but is a softie>Jobber who is made to lose to sonic >Failed rival basically same as above just less abuse>Finally incompetent hero who tries to do good but does more bad unintentionallyIronically all insane with how interesting her initial set up and arc was, but really better than her just being good or being a cry baby loser. At least the ryona route can be funny instead of just cringe like whispers constant crying
>>151317000Scourge always sucked but some people are really fixated on it.
post predictions >Kits been teeing up disasters for a while for Surge to stop so she can reap the rewards>kit gets sloppy and a pattern is discovered by the Restoration leading directly to Surge and Kit >nobody believes it was him acting alone though since everyone believes he would never do something like this unless told to by Surge >Surge is genuinely trying to convince everyone she didn't do anything and that it was all Kit, nobody believes her due to her earned reputation as crazy and dangerous>She and Kit go into hiding>Surge is ready to beat Kit within an inch of his life for what he did, Kit (crying) begs her to understand that he only did it to help her>they make up and try to figure out what to do next>enter Zombie Starline
>>151316814Let's see, one had her life stolen and turned into a freakish cyborg and was brainwashed, while the other is just a whiny faggot with daddy issues. Please tell me who's more pathetic.
>>151316785Dr.Robotnik
Since Sonic loves DBZ references and Surge and Kit are (lightly) based off Android 17 and 18, Starline will come back as Cell and eat them
>>151317890Stop trying to come up with with better material than the IDW staff will ever come up with
>>151317971Technically, Starline is more Dr.Gero.
>>151294235She needs a mentor.
>>151294235Jobbed to a bucket
>>151317893>one had her life stolenWhat life? Who was she before she got kidnapped?>Please tell me who's more pathetic.The one who keeps losing easy. She ain't shit to Sonic or anyone else really.
>>151296627>>151296795This
>>151308679Sonic never skips Chest Day.
>>151317908
>>151296627>>151296795>>151314134it's what she's best at, she should become sonic's designated punching bag
>>151317000>>151317845Alright but what about people who don't like her or Scourge?>Loses to SonicI think it's less this and more that she lost so easily after all that build up, twice in a row. Also she is a victim, she was mind raped several times.
>>151318168She beat Whisper, the powerful Guardian Angel of the war.
>>151317971I think Starline will come back (because the comic is so starved of villains), but probably not eat them.Besides, it should be some third secret project he was working on that does the eating, like pic
>>151317890Why bother, nothin substantial happens in these comics post zombot.
>>151317893>one had her life stolen and turned into a freakish cyborg and was brainwashedAnd instead of working towards finding out who she was, she instead blames Sonic, tries to kill him, fails and now wants to go around playing hero solely for the glory of it, with us the audience knowing this is just gonna backfire on her because Kit has been setting up all the heroics.Nta, but at least Scourge took over his world. I want to like her, but the story isn't giving me a reason to.
What if human?
>>151319752>I think Starline will come back (because it's a comic book and he's a recognizable character)ftfy
>>151320278>she instead blames Sonic, tries to kill him, fails Yeah because she was hardcore conditioned to hate Sonic. She's a starved and abused pitbull thrown into the ring. >and now wants to go around playing hero solely for the glory of itThis can attributed to the same kind of writer wars that haunted archie, with Stanley pivoting Surge into heroism after Flynn made it clear she was meant to be a villain.
>>151320420>Yeah because she was hardcore conditioned to hate SonicBut for me, it's the fact she KNOWS this now, but doesn't try to fight it. She doesn't try to get to know Sonic and his friends and still wants to fight him, despite know she in reality doesn't have a real reason to.But yeah, you're right on Stanley and Ian's whole thing, they can't keep pulling Surge here and there, it's all gonna be one big mess.
>>151316532Sorry there's a new Jackal in town.
>>151321011>Replacing Infinite with some FUCKING NERD-20/10
>She's part of the franchise, you can't just look away.You just have to accept that the comics are niche and an obscure corner of the franchise.
>>151321166They're the main source of content and characters at this point.
>>151297933I blame Yuri Ai for popularizing this
>>151320897>she KNOWS this now, but doesn't try to fight it. She doesn't try to get to know Sonic and his friends and still wants to fight himJust knowing something isn't always enough to do something about it, she was conditioned to an extreme degree to hate him so it's not surprising that she still doesn't like him.
>>151320374True as well, but they are short on original, decent villains, especially since they killed Mimic and botched Clutch
>>151321585Did Clutch’s brain spider blow up
>>151321585There's a distinct Mimic-looking shape falling away from the explosion and I take his "death" with as much salt as I take with Starline's.>they are short on original, decent villainsThen they should make more and instead of ruining and resolving them as quickly as humanly possible like they've done for everyone but Starline, they should have them matter for a bit longer.
>GUYS GUYS GUYS DON'T WORRY IT'S NOT FILLER IT'S VITAL AND IMPORTANT TO THE STORY>Ummmmmm so what happened is..............Surge randomly started a forest fireThis comic has been running on fumes for years.
>>151321774>Then they should make more and instead of ruining and resolving them as quickly as humanly possible like they've done for everyone but StarlinePreaching to the choir, buddy>>151321679Don't think so. I meant as how they were building him up as some sort of mastermind, but in execution he was an idiot
>>151321924>heh I am very smart>AND NOW TO ACT LIKE A COMPLETE RETARD SO THAT THE HEROES CAN DEFEAT MEYep, it's villain writing time!
Without making a better story, how would you have written Surge?
>>151316828Do you get off on being a disingenuous idiot?
>>151322638Hating Sonic up until the very end, she would have died when the amplifier thing she was wearing on her head overloaded. Kit would have gone full villain after that until his own inevitable breakdown.
Hey, weird question, but does Sega own the STC content?
>>151294235i wish Shadow would push her shit in hard
>>151323636no, in fact it was clear they didn't way before it was clear they don't own archie either, apparently. It's a bit of a legal swamp but supposedly any rights that aren't owned by the creators themselves should be with Rebellion at this point
>>151323450The amplifier was stupid honestly, I don't get why they gave that to her when she only had one real fight up to that point. They should have done something like only used electric wisps or had her gorge on a power plant or something if they had to power her up. It just felt weird since she seemed like the type to take pride in her own abilities for the most part, to the point she hated having Kit help.
>>151296627She never did that.
>>151306870>Fat butt
>>151320307want to see her beaten up by human sonic
>>151325594My brapfag friend used to make edits like these and try to convince me they were real.
You can't fix her, /co/.
>>151321774At least we have that new thief from the Chaoitx issue which can be used again.
>>151326055I don't want her fixed.
Real Surge fans hate current Surge
>>151294235Mostly, my problem stems from the fact that there isn't enough porn of her and Lanolin having hard, violent, sloppy sex with each other.
>>151326427This but only if it's like some ryona and Surge having used a Penis Wisp to give herself a dick to humiliate Lanolin only for Lanolin to dominate Surge with her pussy and fuck all the cum out of her.
>>151303006I know its probably been said many times but these two would make a great dynamic duo/couple.
>>151306870Beeing a female speedster means well developed lower body from all the running at the sacrifice of lean chest from an athletic lifestyle. Bet they both have muscular-but-soft glutes
>>151311224I like her and how she helps give Eggman more characterization besides mustache twirling showman villain but I agree with >>151312548Cause Eggman is basically a war criminal and dictator that has the blood of countless on his hands all because he wants to turn the world into a giant robot themepark. Sage is to nice to be on board with Eggy's TMD plans.
>>151294235Because she's a mega-popular character who originated outside of the games, and /v/-based Sonic fans tend to be hyper-focused on the games.Also Archie-fans who are bitter that she's basically Scourge done right, and those who hate IDW comics because of the loud Tangle/Whisper yuri-shippers.
>>151328474>Because she's a mega-popular characterEntirely because of crackshipping reasons. On no way does she stand on her own merit the way she turned out.
Writer Wars are really hampering Surge because she's being torn between being redeemed into a hero and staying a bad guy. As much as I'd love Surge being a cracked out danger junkie with DBZ tier fight autism and Kit being a closet psychopath with dependency issues that's just not the way it's going.
>>151325789Based friend
>>151328571>she's being torn between being redeemed into a hero and staying a bad guy.That war's long over. She's locked on the redemption path.
The problem with Surge and Kit is that they're a package deal but both the writers and community does anything with their dynamic or lack thereof. Like they could've actually been really incongruous but slapped together by Starline until they made it work. And have things change a bit when Starline is finally gone.
>>151328652>The problem with Surge and Kit is that they're a package deal And yet Kit isn't even in the mobile phone games.
>>151328610Torn was the wrong word, they were doing the tug of war with Surge and Kit but then quickly sent them down the hero track with no wiggle room. The best case scenario is a Megamind type deal where they learn to channel their villainous tendencies into a positive direction so they don't get defanged and sent off into the ether as lame versions of what they started as.>>151328664Fucked up typo, meant to say the writers and community don't do anything with them together as Kit is largely an afterthought in most people's minds, in spite of Surge and Kit being made as bootleg Sonic and Tails, Kit doesn't even get the luxury of the weaker portrayals of Tails as Sonic's glorified cabby/cheerleader. And being ignored or underestimated could've been a neat angle to work with in the comic. In their early appearances I was thinking that Surge would be the bold and brash one that talks a big game while Kit was the one that'd end up being the way more dangerous one that's held back by his personality and Starline's programming. They could've played up the tragedy angle of having to watch him get his teeth kicked in by Sonic and Tails where you actually feel bad for him, at least worse for him than Surge since she at least seems like she's enjoying it sometimes. My favorite idea is playing up Starline's stupid OC Donut Steel autism with Surge having much more stringent programming and care out into her powers, persona etc. While Kit is a living plothole that ends up ruining his entire script by going berserk or taking over the story himself as the directive of "Protect and Assist Surge" is played around with.
>>151328818>in spite of Surge and Kit being made as bootleg Sonic and TailsThat concept died before it even had a chance to live. The fact Surge and Kit discovered their lives were a lie before even MEETING Sonic and Tails shows how rushed things really were.
>>151316773>realistically damagedDepends on what you mean by realistically damaged. I already mentioned bruises. Are you saying you're a fan of sex with a swollen, bloody balloon? Besides, if you seriously damage a person wouldn't it just be guro? The farthest I've seen are broken bones but even then suspension of disbelief can still be maintained. I'm just pointing out there is a sexual backdrop otherwise it's just hurting a character and isn't really a sexual fetish.
Is their even any interest in her outside of jobber meme, bullying and goonerbait?
>>151294235>you can't just look awaySure I can, it's why I don't pay any mind to anything Sonic-related that was made after 1997.
>>151321270But why?
