Norman is losing it he now hearing voices of spiders in his head.
The man is clearly mentally unstable it's the lunatic asylum for him.
>Miles still trying to gatekeep Spider-Man
>>151295530Miles is a literal child that himself just started wearing the colours in 616 and constantly fought with Peter, and nearly never appeared in Peter's books. How Marvel thinks this shit is compelling for Peter fans baffles me. Miles isn't a member of his supporting cast, by their own choice.
>>151295530>>151296902Norman will put Miles back in his place by taking Spider-Gwen up the Brooklyn Bridge and getting her pregnant.
>>151295187I love Norman just going full>Fuck Them Kids
>>151295170the fuck
>>151295170Even May's getting blacked now. Ben's gotta be rolling over in his grave.
>>151295170Baldstone is still cursed.
>>151295530I know Norman's been a good boy lately but it's no surprise the other spiders don't like him taking over while doing a Diet Coke version of Superior Spider-Man.
>>151297500The point is none of them have any legitimacy or claim to the name. To follow your Coke analogy, this is like a bunch of off-brand colas objecting to a new off-brand cola.By their own "anyone can wear the mask" ethos, Norman has as much right to be a Spider-Man as they do.
>>151297230What are you talking about? We can see Ben in the ceiling.
>>151297500What the other spiders think is irrelevant since they're all frauds too. Ben has something of a case for being able to object but the whole Chasm business muddies things up, MJ and Felicia wouldn't definitely be within their rights to tell him to fuck off, hell even people like Daredevil or the Human Torch would be way more justified in policing this shit than those parasites
>>151295187>How wouls gou like to meet mg 60 year old stepson todayHa. I guess it makes sense since Kelly wrote some Apidey during the period she was about to marry Jameson Senior, but it's fun to bring it up again.
>>151297500>Diet Coke version of Superior Spider-ManThere's a super wide valley between what Norman's doing and what Otto did. Norman's more akin to when Peter gets pissed off, stops quipping, and just puts villains down hard, and this page would take place after he's taken stock and made more of an effort to pull back on that. Otto was killing people, hiring minions, creating a fortress, actively pushing away everyone, etc. etc.
I really do not like trying to push Norman as a good guy. I liked a good few villain redemptions but Norman is too much. He's done too much. There's too much bad blood.
>>151298282It's hardly like he's done as much as Magneto or Mystique, and Marvel have gone all in on pretending they did nothing wrong. Of Norman's entire supervillain career, Marvel themselves constantly act like Gwen's death was the only thing he did that actually mattered, and now she's been replaced by Spider-Gwen.It also really helps that the stories keep making it clear Norman isn't very good at being a hero, it's not natural to him, nobody wants to let him do this, but he's TRYING. The circumstances of how we got to Good Norman may be retarded, but where we are now feels more honest and real than most villain redemption arcs because the world around Norman doesn't want to just let him become a superhero now.
>>151298377>It's hardly like he's done as much as Magneto or Mystique, and Marvel have gone all in on pretending they did nothing wrong. Of Norman's entire supervillain career, Marvel themselves constantly act like Gwen's death was the only thing he did that actually mattered, and now she's been replaced by Spider-Gwen.yeah I'm not super happy about that either. >It also really helps that the stories keep making it clear Norman isn't very good at being a hero, it's not natural to him, nobody wants to let him do this, but he's TRYING. A big part of the problem is seeing him and Pete act buddy buddy. Even if we were to accept the idea that he's TRYING Pete should still hate his guts.
>>151298484Twofold counterpoint:Pete also carried those sins around for a little bit, so he might have empathy we don't.But I personally choose to think of it as Pete gritting his teeth. He'll never forgive Norman. Not fully. But Pete is just enough of a martyr to support Norman, because if Norman doesn't get support he'll go back to the way things were.And that would be bad for Pete, but even more it would be bad for the world- Norman is a brilliant scientist who can do great works if Pete can keep him off the side of the devils or goblins or whatever. And that's the kind of math Peter can't resist.
>>151298484>A big part of the problem is seeing him and Pete act buddy buddy. Even if we were to accept the idea that he's TRYING Pete should still hate his guts.Peter's been all over the place with his handling of Good Norman, sometimes he does seem to still hate him. But this is very much a situation where it's for the greater good that Peter just make the effort to do whatever it takes to try and keep Norman like this, and stop him from reverting to Green Goblin. And if that means having to act buddy buddy with his former archenemy, so be it, it's a small price to pay if it works, and even if it only works for a while, it'll still be saving lives.It's not as obvious heroism as saving people from a burning building, but it's absolutely playing into the themes of heroism and responsibility that the character was built around.
>>151295036I'm going to be so disappointed if this new bad guy isn't an ancient Egyptian mummy who is also a qualified doctor.
>>151295089aunt may get ipad
>>151297003isn't that the reporter guy from the daily bugle? reckon it was a thing since I think 20 years?
>>151298614>>151298603I think it's just sloppy writing
>>151298282Personally, I think that's the precise reason it could make for some very good stories.You have this guy, pretty much THE Spidey villain, and he wants to change. Something with his brain or his blood or his soul was making him sick, or so it goes, but he's cured of it now, and he doesn't want to be that monster anymore. That monster took away everything in his life, and he wants it dead and buried more than anyone else.In some ways, he's innocent of all the crimes he's committed, so he gets a shot at redemption. Except, that's total bullshit to anyone short of sainthood, so of course people aren't gonna accept it. He hurt so many people in very deep ways, they can't accept it. They can't forgive the Goblin, can't forget HAMMER, and it taints his every attempt.So you have this guy, and people giving him shit for everything. They'll forgive Magneto and Venom, but not him. They'll break bread with Doom and Namor, but not him. They won't let go of his crimes, even as the people he killed happily swing around Manhattan. It's not fair, but that's how it is.It could end up retelling the situation back from his early years, where Norman Osborn was the guy teetering on the brink of a breakdown, who just needed another bad day to bring him back to the bad side. In some ways, it could be a mirror of Peter; feared and hated by people he wants to help, but instead of never being able to forgive himself for a mistake, it's that nobody will ever forgive him for it.It does have to end, though. But I hope it's a beautiful end, befitting Stormin' Norman. Anxiety and paranoia giving way to absolute confidence and maniacal laughter.
>>151298812No you dimwit. Robbie’s been in the Venom title.This is May’s black stud at FEAST. Ricardo Villanueva
>>151297003>>151295170Ricardo Villanueva is May’s senior BBC studmuffin. So yes after, Uncle Ben, and J Jonah’s dad, May is finally getting sexually satisfied by a being blacked.
>>151298916>In some ways, he's innocent of all the crimes he's committed, so he gets a shot at redemptionNo he's not. And to insinuate he is with whatever bullshit retardation is asinine.
>>151298958sorry sorry, all melanin enriched ninjas look the same to me
>>151298282>I really do not like trying to push Norman as a good guy.I think it works when he's doing dastardly and nefarious schemes under the guise of heroics like during Dark Avengers. It shouldn't ever be a long term or multi-arc thing if he's doing 100% heroics with no evil or malicious acts being done. I'm hoping that with the other spider heros being upset and basically threatening him to stop being spider man, he ends up getting some kind of goblin personality beat back into him
>>151299005Given how Marvel have given completely unearned, undeserved redemptions to much worse villains and we just have to sit there and take seeing them be 'heroes', the complaining about how Norman can't have a shot at redemption, no way, not ever does come across like a lot of Spider-Man fans feel like he's personally wronged them or they're holding grudges on behalf of Peter, Gwen and Ben.
>>151299452>Given how Marvel have given completely unearned, undeserved redemptions to much worse villains Like? >>151298916That something came from choosing to sell his child to hell.
Ricardo laying that pipe into Aunt May’s wheatcake.
>>151299556>Like?Anon, Sabretooth and Carnage once got magically turned good and everyone just rolled with it. Virtually every major X-Men villain that's a mutant has been handed an unearned redemption at some point.After all those guys, Norman being where we draw the line looks more rooted in personal dislike of him than any credible argument that he's worse than those other villains.>That something came from choosing to sell his child to hell.There are some stories that are just so stupid and character-breaking that we shouldn't reference them to make a point, we all know they should just be retconned ASAP. Norman's whole deal is being that guy who loves his family but has no idea how to express that healthily and properly. Having him sell Harry's soul to the devil or having his wife fake her death because she's afraid of him or whatever else modern Marvel does to try and make him evil incarnate is just stupid. He's a great villain because he's a believably human villain.Relying on Spencer's retarded retcons about Norman is as bad as people who argue Peter is a bad person because of his Mephisto deal. Both are just awful comics that should never have been written.
>>151298984>>151299573At their age, that kind of exertion could kill them both.
>>151299771May was already fucking Jonah Jameson Senior who was 10 years older
>>151295170>>151295187>Chasm!Ben finally getting to live that Parker life>Starts thinking it isn't for himI take this as a good sign. Now if we could just drop this Chasm business and Ben could go back to being the Sensational Spider-Man
>>151300365>HAH HAH AT LAST PETER'S LIFE IS MINE!>PETER'S LIFE SUCKS!
>>151300365I don’t think marvel wants any extra spider-men, even miles was recently called spin in the X-men event tie in
>>151300423yeah we'll see about that. If they haven't drop them yet...
What are the chances Peter slaps the shit out of miles for trying to gatekeep the name??
>>151300365At this point Ben will probably just enter limbo again like Kaine but he'll still be Chasm. I don't see him getting his memories back
>>151301246Zero percent. They'd sooner have Peter give a speech about how he's proud of them for holding the fort in his absence
>>151301246This, and then he rawdogs Cindy up the ass for doing the same thing.
>>151301246>Implying they'll ever question Miles. Did you not see the PS4 spidey 2?
>>151295187>Please stop... or we're going to have to make you stopSo where were those fucking losers when the robot attacked the restaurant again?
>>151299737Carnage is a good example, but you already admitted that mutants have different standards. -
>>151295036>>151298655>"You must fear the power of Amenemoctor The Great, the best ophthalmologist of ancient Egyptian!"
I don't care about dimension refugee identity thief and his equally phony friends claiming dibs.I don't care about "reformed" villain Saint Norman being in the right and empathetic for the first time purely by accident while he's supposed to be going off the deep end, as the creatives executing this story are unhinged aliens.I don't care about another temporary "redemption arc" achieved by reaffirming the crass in-house mischaracterization instead of firmly rejecting it for good.I don't care about being fed 1/3 of an issue's worth of best value Guardians of the Galaxy every other ASM.I don't care about ex-lover wrapped in ex-lover dangled around crossdressing.I don't care about Sex Vending Machine Cat.I don't care about Super Social Worker Mummy croaking.I don't care about hollow husk of media mogul and ex-boss.I especially don't care about Tombstone. Good fucking lord, make it stop.
>>151295036>not posting variant coversThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 David Marquez VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 Lee Bermejo Amazing Visions VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 Marco Forcelloni Pixar Toy Story Homage VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 Simone Di Meo From the Chaos a Costume VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 1:25 Giuseppe Camuncoli VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #16 1:100 Lee Bermejo Amazing Visions Virgin Variantboooooooooooo
>>151302260I DON'T CARE ABOUT VARIANTS.
>>151301674But what of clones?
>>151295089Embarassing
>>151301674Then please stop reading? I’m not trying to be an ass, but it really seems like pirating the comic is making you unhappy
>>151295036How would Spider-(Nor)man handle him?
>>151295098On the one hand, he protected himself and others by masquerading as Spider-Man, which de-escalated the anti-Norman fan club enough that they tried to recruit him. On other, the fact that he was already wearing the costume beneath his clothes suggests he never intended to stop in the first place.
>>151299017Hold up, Robbie’s cool, thank you very much, and he’s no harder to recognize than the standard brown-eyed, brown-haired white male or the classic blue-eyed blonde female archetype in comics.
>>151299737What bothers me most about the Mephisto retcon is how completely out of character it makes Norman Osborn look. His entire identity is built on control, dominance, and pathological possessiveness, and being a father is inseparable from that because of his obsession with legacy. To suggest he would give up his son already stretches credibility, but to claim he agreed to forget about it is even worse. Even for something smaller than his literal heir, Norman is the type who would obsessively search for loopholes, scheme ways to undo the deal, or try to cheat Mephisto just to grab everything he wanted (he’s dumb like that) if he did not agree with all the terms. Stripping him of that memory erases his chance to reclaim his legacy and bloodline, which is y'know, only one of the main drives that defines him.On top of that, the retcon implies Norman admitted defeat to the point of acknowledging only a higher power could save him. That is not Norman. His ego is too massive, too unyielding, and too wrapped up in toxic himself to ever concede that he was powerless. The retcon does more than simply rewrite a bad plot point from a story JMS should not have written. Spencer rewrites Norman’s psychology in a way that feels false. I'm really tired of Mephisto fucking with Spider-Man characters.
>>151295036Didnt norman die right after killing Gwen? Stopped reading after asm 400. aunt may died and MJ was about to give birth. What happened next?
>>151295530We’ve already got alternate Spider-Men who are killers, assassins, and murderers, and they still count as Spider-Man. So why is this guy treated differently? If he went ahead and recreated a radioactive spider, does that mean he finally gets to join the Spider-club too?
>>151295170>>151295187It that man with Aunt May new?
>>151305007New to Kelly's run yes, he's been building up to it.
>>151304474It's almost like Mephisto is always a shitty plot device for bad writing.
>>151305121Man, that dude better watch himself. May's men get placed on Death's cold shelf.
>>151305694surprised there's no "fridging" but with aunt May she's outlived like 3? 4? husbands and some lovers at this point
>>151305327It’s a mistake to dump such weak writing and so many clumsy retcons onto a villain. The point of pure evil villains is for the audience to savor hating a character, not to loathe the evil deal maker entirely
>>151305780What I hate as well is how Mephisto's reason for doing it has always been kinda vague and he hasn't doesn't anything significant since. Yeah I don't count Cates Starnge or Aaron's Avengers. So it wasn't until Spencer tied Mayday to it that it had more of a concrete reason but now how Mayday stops Mephisto will never be resolved. Marvel needs jump off the sort end of the pier.
>>151297609>By their own "anyone can wear the mask" ethos, Norman has as much right to be a Spider-Man as they do.No Norman does not have the right to be Spider-Man the man is pure evil. It is his fault harry soul ended up in mephisto hands since he made a deal with him. It is his fault Gwen died since that deal lead to him becoming the Green Goblin in addtion to this he abused and maybe even raped his wife.
>>151295089>>151295098>>151295170>>151295187It would be some great development if things started coming to a head with May and Jonah doing an intervention with Peter only for Ben and Jan to give up the ghost and say they don’t know where he is but they know he isn’t dead which hits on Jays earlier assumption Ben and May develop their own relationship But nothing ever happens
>>151304474>Mephisto fucking with Spider-Man characters.>>151305327>>151305121>>151305694>>151305731I kinda want Mephisto to remain the worst villain to ever deal Spidey a bad deal, it hurts his fans as much as himself so his own character is always better villain than Doom.
>>151299005I agree with this this show how much of a bastard norman really is peter, MJ and Gwen only wanted to help and this the "thanks" they got from him. and this why Gwen did not deserve to die.
>>151307010I sort of want May and Dylan Brock to interact, especially after the slash backs with Peter at the start of the run.
>>151305731>Ben>Nathan>Jonah SrWillie Lumpkin is the only survivor
>>151308989Jarvis as well but he did get smacked by an AU Uncle Ben.
>>151308989>>151309569Jarvis was a Skrull the whole time, and was killed by Bullseye and Norman.
>>151305877He had a reason. Peter and MJ’s marriage was basically the ultimate target, because all that happiness and stability in the face of grief was the total opposite of what demons are about. Breaking something pure and special makes sense for them. Expecting me to believe Mayday is Mephisto’s archenemy over more fitting contenders is silly.
>>151298812This has been an inevitability since weisman failed to generate buzz with his spider comic
>>151309672Any torment I inflict is 100% accidental! Like any good war criminal!
>>151307571>Why can't you be a nice young man like your father Dylan?
>>151308989She drains old men of their stamina to remain unkillable in editorial eyes
>>151298812>>151298984>blah blah blah backed blah blah blahdamn i didnt know this i was more or less commenting on mays fucked up expression and just left him in
>>151309672You know I always forget Secret Invasion. A lot of stuff in there should make me angry but it's just surrounded by so much else
>>151310506Whatever happened to Tigra's son, William? And did she guilt the ACTUAL guy the skrull impersonated to knock her up into a relationship?
>>151310598Hank? Nah. She was cool to him back in Academy. Dude was happy to help out. Takes a village and all that but nobody was chasing down daddy.
>>151308989Has anyone actually swung by his place to see if he’s still alive?
>>151309700There was a Flash (wally) story were a demon stole Flash and Linda's love for each but the love was so pure and strong that it actually hurt the demon the longer he held on it and he came back to them crying to take it back which then they then did but strong armed him into undoing the damage he did. I would strongly encourage any Spider-man fans to read Wally's book. And yeah I know they did him dirty with Heroes in Crisis but they not only undid all that TWICE they actually let him take his book back and knock up his wife so hard she got super powers.
>>151299737>Sabretooth and Carnage once got magically turned good and everyone just rolled with it. And in the end they turned back. Magic Morality Flip Switch is a fine plot device, as long as it doesn't get passed off as character development. For what its worth I like what Kelly is doing with it now, but it's Spencer's retcon that gave us Sinless!Norman. You can't deal with him without acknowledging Norman got his second chance at the expense of his son again.
>>151311052Spencer's run was weird. There was a lot I liked about it and it felt like he was trying to get things back but then you had this shit and Kindred was a long drive for fucking nothing.
>>151311071He was a fanboy who was far more interested in getting continuity "back" to the way he liked it instead of telling interesting stories.
>>151311463Sure, but he at least felt like he was a fan. The alternative has been people who seem to actively dislike Spider-man.
>>151295187Tombstone lookin kinda foyne ngl...
>>151310987Is that where slott got the idea?
>>151313049Slott didn’t write OMD, and probably not, since OMD was never meant to be resolved.
>>151313170Nah, I mean where Slott got the idea of MJ gaining powers through implied sex.
>>151312953>JRJR
>>151313240I don’t think so, Spider-Island was the opposite of that, Peter repeatedly fucking her gave her an immunity to the spider-virus.
>>151313314Honestly, that looks more soulful than modern JRJR
>>151311475Wells is the only one I have ever actually questioned as a fan. His stories drag Peter down over and over. It feels like he does not care about the character at all. Slott loves his big arcs and flashy ideas but he buries Peter under gimmicks and spectacle until the core of the character is gone. Kelly knows the themes and circles them frequently enough. He only rarely lands on the emotional center that makes Spider‑Man matter. Spencer looked like he was on the right track. He brought back Peter and MJ. At first it seemed like he was hitting the right notes. Then he kept missing the deeper beats. The longer it went on the more I doubted how much he really understood and that's before dragging the whole Kindred disaster into the mess.
>>151313538I think he was trying to do with Kindred what Stern did with Hobgoblin. A big mystery arc villain is a pretty cool thing to have.
>KindredEverybody always goes on about Miles stealing energy swords from CW Flash, but the whole "CONFESS" shit was pretty much ripped from CW Arrow.
>>151313895I think Spencer's biggest sin in this regard, not counting the editorial fuckery, is how boring Kindred was.Most of his dialogue was basically "the storm is coming" over and over and over again. His personality was the most generic shit imaginable. Say what you will about Hobgoblin, at least he had some personality and entertainment value.
>>151314012Yeah, he was overall more involved in his mystery too. Kindred needed to be way more active. I can't even remember how many times he even actually fought spider-man usually he just stayed way in the back being cryptic enough to where his identity could be anybody.
>>151313914>CONFESSKindred would’ve been way more entertaining if he had the personality of a fire‑and‑brimstone preacher.
>>151313538>Kelly knows the themes...What are the themes? and are the emotional cores he is missing? I don't know Kelly but from what I've read in asm not sure i like him.
>>151310598William has been in the Moon Knight comic with Tigra.
>>151295089I'm sorry, are we just going to gloss over the fact that aunt may has the proportions of a bobblehead in this page?
Anons on /co/ will have the fucking audacity to ask why comics are dying/people don't want to buy comics anymore when this is the shit that they are putting out these days.
>>151317032It’s JRjr >>151317078No one questions why comics are dying outside of trolling for East vs West threads
>>151317078Nobody questions why comics are dying. We know exactly why. We question why the retards up top don't fix what is easily fixable.
>>151295530But this is literally what the fans do to...
>>151295187This is fucking unreal... we have a WHOLE army of impostors who have very questionably appropriated the Spider-Man name, and Peter let it go because he had no choice. Miles, Ben, Kaine, Otto ecc ecc the are all thieves.
>>151317575ya love to see it
>>151311052Reminder that Otto is literally forced back to evil after years of character development simply because the publisher at the time wanted it that way, and to justify it, they literally reset the character with a deus ex. A nice double standard, seeing as Magneto is being peddled as an anti-hero despite the fact that he was a fucking monster in the '90s, but because there's a political narrative involved with mutants, everyone pretends that era doesn't exist.
>>151317669They did the same thing to Sandman too. That dude did a complete turnaround. Had a nice friendship with The Thing. Worked with Sable. Even tried to get a few of his old villain buddies to go straight.
>>151307370Well, Norman is a hero now, and Gwen is a murderous ripoff of Gwenpool. Enjoy that.
>>151317901Is that still a thing? I sort of forgot about it.
>>151317901Wait, what happened to Gwenpool?
>>151317901That was just another clone and I doubt it will ever be followed up on.
>>151317931She’s a ghost stuck inside a Deathlok hanging around a literal Gwen Stacy clone that is also a recursive ripoff of both her and Deadpool aka Dark Gwenpool
>>151317942I mean, is that what her legacy amounts to? Replaced wholesale by clones and AU versions?She was better off just being dead.
>>151318071She was a shit character piggybacking off others legacies to start with.
>>151318101Who? Gwen Stacy, or Gwendolyn Poole? Because I was talking about Gwen Stacy. She’s now stuck being a memey ripoff of characters were ripping her off. It’s pathetic.
>>151318261the latter
>>151318391At this point it feels more like Gwen is the one riding the coattails of her imitators. She’s just ripping off the people ripping her off.
So, do you think they just hand out drugs at Marvel or are you expected to bring you own? Nobody sober could have approved any of this shit.
>>151317901Trying to compare clones to humans is stupid.be sure to look up the case of Ben Reilly just look what became of him. Which is pretty much the reason I don't give a shit abunt clones.
>>151318909What do you mean?It works.Peter is currently on a grand space adventure which is basically “how Peter Parker got his groove back” type of training arc. Being the Luke Skywalker to Rocket Raccoon’s Han Solo. Fucking aliens, displaying earth morality to dubious aliens, and being an inspiration before he returns to earth.Norman is failing at his redemption arc posing as Spider-Man which he’ll fail at and send him back to villainy.Ben Reilly is living his best life. Or so he thinks. He’s realizing being Peter Parker’s life NOT actually what he wants.Mary Jane is getting rid of her symbiote fear by being bonded to Venom and realizing the sacrifices Peter has to make as a superhero. Dumping Paul and feeling a kinship to Peter that could lead to somewhere.Aunt May is getting blacked cock and having a life outside of Peter. And wanting her new Adonis lover to meet her ex-stepson Jonah Jameson.Shay is getting the real banging she’s needs from Randy Robertson who just got out of a problematic engagement with Tombstone’s daughter.Hellgate is waiting for Peter to return for the ultimate showdown.Outside of rehashing crime boss Tombstone and crazy Hobgoblin, this is the best Amazing Spider-Man has been in years.
>>151319255Ben Reilly is a good guy again. Also Madelyn Pryor is evil again, sorry X-Me. Fans. It turns out tossing out Dark Web on its ass was super easy and nobody missed it.
>>151319276How does him masquerading as Peter Parker make him a good person? do you think the real Peter will be happy once he returns from space and finds out what he has been up to I highly doubt it.
>>151319273>this is the best Amazing Spider-Man has been in years.It’s okay but I think Marvel doesn’t understand how badly Zeb shat things up. It’s going to be a millstone around Kelly’s neck, and just awkwardly sweeping it all under the rug isn’t enough of an apology for encouraging weird pieces of shit like the Gwenschizo. Now that Ultimate is ending, the only way I’ll be on board is if they put Peter and MJ back together, and until then I just can’t give a damn. I’m not holding my breath on it happening, either.At least X-Men books are even worse off. That’s funny at least.
>>151319355Yes he will.That way Peter doesn’t lose his secret identity.
>>151319378More likely Ben will to try to eplain to peter he was posing as him for hisbenefit but peter will see things differently and get pissed at him and they end having a fight.
>>151319520>>151319355He’s definitely not a cackling sociopath or psychotic, and didn’t like the thought of civilians getting hurt. Janine is also much nicer compared to any other iteration of her. Felicia is giving them a pass, if nothing else. It’s definitely a far cry from Dark Web making Ben worse than Hitler.
>>151319273>Peter is currently on a grand space adventureWhich is dumb>Norman is failing at his redemption Which is just rendering everything here a waste of time to reestablish the status quo>Ben Reilly is living his best life.There is so much damage done to Ben I don't even know where to begin>Mary Jane is getting rid of her symbiote fear by being bonded to Venom and realizing the sacrifices Peter has to make as a superhero. Dumping Paul and feeling a kinship to Peter that could lead to somewhere.Which is stuff she already should know. >ShayNobody cares>HellgateLame
>>151319276Anon let me explain the difference between X-Men and Spider-Man to you. Yes Madelyn is evil again but they are less fans upest about this then you think. You see when it comes to X-Men things happen there for a logical reason. unlike Spider-Man in which it's drivel makes no sense for the most part. Yeah Madelyn is evil again but everyone knew she would become evil again sooner or later. But ben's beef with peter? *shakes head sadly* no that makes no sense at all the man is truly fucked up in the inside. It would be a act of mercy if he was killed off.>>151319753This is true but he would be better off if he was dead this what many fans think is right and I am one of them.
>>151320182No one cares, polish faggot
>>151319808So you’re just bitching just to bitch
>>151320270>hurr durr i have no retort so i'm going to reply like a subhuman 10iq brainlet i am with something about poland
>>151320346He clearly can’t speak english though
>>151320182>You see when it comes to X-Men things happen there for a logical reasonBen turned evil for no logical reason, so it’s good that he is a good guy again. Madelyn did a bad thing by leaving Ben to shoulder all the blame and that makes her evil. This is all good and logical again.
>>151319273>Aunt May is getting blacked cock and having a life outside of Peter. And wanting her new Adonis lover to meet her ex-stepson Jonah Jameson.>Shay is getting the real banging she’s needs from Randy Robertson who just got out of a problematic engagement with Tombstone’s daughter.At least someone is having sex, let's hope Peter fuck the yellow muscle alien
>>151319378>>151319520Yeah it’s going to suck when they inexplicably fight all because Ben wanted to help him out and get a piece of his life and see it wasn’t what he really wanted
>>151320670Peter already did in this month’s issue
>>151320457What you seem to forget is ben becomimg evil is his own fault he did not have to accept Madelyn help he could have told her to go take a hike and seek out help from somebody else. why didn't he go to doctor strange for example?And yes you may think Madelyn did a bad thing by leaving him out to dry But I see it differently Jean did show her the errors of her way And thst's why she cut her ties with him. Madelyn simply did what she had to do pure and simple.
>>151320182>all the man is truly fucked up in the inside. It would be a act of mercy if he was killed off.He seems fine to me. It looks like Peter dying all those times in Eight Deaths really rattled Ben because of their clone bond.
If Peter and MJ get together should Venom stay around? Would him and MJ/Venom fighting crime together be good or bad?
>>151320755I think it’d be good. I liked it in Renew Your Vows.
>>151320755It’d be fun for a short while, yeah
>>151320755i think venom should stay around because it'll piss off all the eddie brock purists who think venom should stay ONLY with eddie also venomj is more interesting than eddie
>>151310987There is the fact that Irey is literally fated to be the most powerful speedster alive because her attunement to the speed force is stronger than wally to a point as him, to understand spiritually, and Jai is going to be the smartest and most powerful time streamer ever because of the Speed Force.Wally's kids are literally Franklin Richard's school buddies
>>151320978It would be cute if they actually did a Dc/Marvel crossover but it’s Franklin and Val meeting inter dimensional schoolmates and it’s them
>>151320755Sadly, I don't think Marvel Wants them to be together. The current team does not believe MJ should be his wife, for some reason they don't like MJ and View her as someone who is meant to spoil his life and cuase problems for him, not make it better
>>151320182>You see when it comes to X-Men things happen there for a logical reason.Strongly disagree. And even if that were the case I would like to explain to you something important. The problem is that even when they DO give a reason, that reason is often terrible. It is important to remember that all of this is fiction. A story at the whim of the author. So the author can give a reason for everything they do but it's all just justification. When people complain that the x-men have become isolationist and drifted from their dream, it doesn't matter if you explain that the reason was because humanity got worse, the problem is that the writer made humanity worse in order to justify what they'd do later.
>>151320755I think it could be alot of fun
>>151320755If it is to guess, venom and mary jane will be fixed once the two fight knull and the other symbiote, in fact it will be revealed that their bond becoming more stronger as their minds helped healing both's conditions.Only to be revealed that For that to happen, their genes had to copy the last known host with a mutation and healing factor to survive due to the strong connection to it, in this case, Peter, and that left Mary Jane with Peter's powers at the end thus making her the legit Spider Woman, and outdicking mephisto hard and forcing a scenario he feared, the pact was undone naturally by love.
>>151321142i like it
>>151321142This makes sense since MJ and Venom bonded on the molecular level unlike previous hosts.
>>151321142Hopefully this will also cause Mary Jane to have a “immaculate” conception of her to be pregnant with a daughter.
They should reveal that Mayday is still alive but since she's been raised by Norman's allies in Europe she's basically Damian at his debut.
>151321142marywh0retards are so ridiculously deranged holy shit
>>151321182>venom impregnated Anne in preparation for Knull>impregnates MJ in preparation for King In Black GodMode CarnageMephisto
>>151321396It makes sense weirdly enough.
>>151321165And the fact both are literally doing "what Peter would do" as Eddie Brock did and redeemed him.And this will obviously play the moment carnage comes in because he will try to possess peter to understand how is he strong
>>151321392KYS faggot
>>151321142>>151321182This but also Felicia is pregnant as well after a wild weekend after he comes back
>>151321392>Muhfuggin Marywhores>Norman, dear, who is this strange homeless man?>Oh, don't mind him Gwen. That's just Paul Rabin.>Maryslutfags>What's wrong with this poor man?>Hm? Oh, some breakup he never got over. He's just been living like some sort of homeless schizophrenic.>That's so sad...>Don't pity him too much, my dear. He's from Poland, and he even tried to molest Eddie Brock's son. Now come on, it's almost time for Peter and Mary Jane's anniversary.>WHORES! WHORES! WHOOOORES!>Yes, I do think we better get going. What an awful creature.
>>151321392your roleplay of users that aren't active here is really bad because that user never said "marywhoreretards" or "marywhorefags" lolthat also wasnt the gwenschizo btw, referring to her as anything but MJ was too difficult because he couldnt type beyond 2 sentences in english, but, hey dude. keep on trollin on buddy, (You) got your (You)'s!
>>151321840Unfortunately Felicia won’t as she uses protection.The alien Raelith, however, is currently filled to the brim of her womb with Parker spunk.Expect Joe Kelly to introduced Peter’s bastard alien child later on.
reminding everyone that the schizo that keeps mentioning paul and poland to derail threads is @kelownaclown on twitter
>>151321934why does she looks like rhea ripley?
>>151321971To give her look that alien feel. But you still what to fuck her vibe.
>>151322000^want
>>151321934>Gotta make sure everything is expressly consensual what a wuss generation
>>151321934That’s why I said wild weekend Also it’s amazing Pete is one of the few heroes with no bastard kids already Sure he technically has hundreds but like it was all clone shenanigans and science projects
>>151321956Gwenschizo is on twitter!?Maybe he should fucking stay there.
>>151320742Madelyn is evil now, Ben is good now. The moral arc of the universe tends towards justice. She’s hanging out with child killers and genocidal butchers in the Masters of Evil.
>>151322237It’s a suitable place for Jean Grey and all her clones.
>>151322237Surely you don't think things will stay that way do you? The mutant community has big plans for Madelyn. But as for ben well the only plan the spider office is to make him evil again. Once Peter returns to earth the roles will be reversed
>>151322281You know who took responsibility for her genocide? That’s right, Jean Grey! What’s YOUR excuse, Paul Rabin?AND you know who didn’t let being a malfunctioning clone of a superhero destroy his morals, and didn’t make him join up with the first supervillain group that made him an offer? That’s right, Ben Reilly! What’s YOUR excuse, Madelyne Pryor???
>>151317575Hey Kaine only stole from Ben and Ben asked for permission both times he became Spider-Man
>>151320755Bad. Super hero family was shit in RYV and it'd be shit here. The complete erosion of Peter's civilian supporting cast is one of the biggest problems with modern Spider-Man
>>151322518When Ben was given an offer by Orchis, Ben said for them to fuck off, he’s not a monster.YET WHEN Madelyn had her “redemption arc” she joined up with the Masters of Evil, INCLUDING MODOK the SICK FUCK WHO TRIED TO GENOCIDE ALL MUTANTS!?!?Sorry, but while both were dealt bad hands, Ben ultimately played his with INTEGRITY. Sorry Madelyn. You pissed away the biggest chance of redemption you had, OFF SCREEN.
>>151322632You know, Paul killing off his earth also means he killed every mutant, every minority, and every gay person on his world too. But when the Scarlet Witch only murders most mutants during a mental breakdown, she’s a vile monster. Makes you think…
>>151322632Oh yes you are so right Ben did no wrong except take over peter's life now peter returns from space and goes "what the fuck are you doing Ben you are trying to steal my life damn you"and of course they end up in a fight. *sight* anon eveyone knows Madelyn will be redeemed sooner or later it's not a question of will it happen bur rather when. It's the sames when it comes magento first he is evil then he is good then he goes back to being evil that's just how X-Men work.
>>151322886It’ll be fine. Ben is protecting Peter’s secret identity. Meanwhile, Madelyn is out to destroy the world.Sorry man. All of Zeb Wells’s hard work is getting sent to the trash where it belongs.
>>151297003She's gone way past her life cycle in comics. They should have left her dead after 400 or even after Back in Black. She does nothing for the story at all. Not even a useful supporting character.
>>151322947I think peter will see things in a different light. how many times did magento try to destroy the world before he became good? it will be no different with Madelyn evil now good the next moment.
>>151323066Oh okay so Ben is also an evil guy who turned good! I understand now!
>>151321165Considering the symbiote did that to Annie, you never know.
>>151323119Yes. Meanwhile Madelyn is a good person… turned forever evil!Does everyone forget that Madelyn tried to rape Nate Grey, an AU copy of Cable? Meanwhile Ben Reilly would never try to rape Mayday. What’s YOUR excuse Madelyn?
I just find it hilarious that Zeb wasted all this time turning Ben evil and Madelyn good in his run only to have both revert to type off screen. It’s just Mr. Reilly keeps the cool new costume, and his girlfriend the powers, for all their trouble.Were never going to see Rek-Rap again btw.
>>151323332>if you people think a couple of new costumes are enough to make me and Janine forget—>Ben holy shit I think there’s a succubus mask!>Nevermind. Have a good day.
>>151323370>ben actually mentions fucking janine in a catgirl costumebased
