>>151304733
Nothing.

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>>151304733
Anal rape

>>151304733
Hung by the balls with his own tv cords

Magically transformed into the ANON READING THIS POST
RIGHT NOW

Forced into the hotel’s tv in which he will become the Klaus of show, trapped but offering funny commentary.

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>>151304763
>Klaus of the show
fund it vizi

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Me realizing Season 3 is going to be 85% Angel Dust unfunny family plot and the rest Lilith being a bitch

AlaSHIT
AlasBITCH
AlasFAG
AlasTARD
AlasGGER

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>>151304733
He has to go 1 on one with...
THE UNDERTAKER!

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>>151304799
>It's either a "Charlie is blinded by her mom paying the slightest bit of attention to her while everyone else notices something is off way before she does" season or it's a "Charlie realizes there's something off with Lilith before everyone else does and nobody believes her" season

>>151304799
>Angel Dust family drama
>Charlie and Lilith mom drama
>Alastor and Lucifer shipbaiting for fujos
>Roo reveal

Excited for any of this?

>>151304733
Redeemed, stuck in Heaven powerless and without his followers and the other Vees.
Ironically getting exactly what he wanted.

>>151304825

>Has a power of friendship realization that he misses the Vees
>Gives up in the final battle and wants to go back to Hell

>this act redeems him

>>151304763
this but he's in the radio waves and valentino has to carry around a big radio all the time and fucks it occasionally to the disgust of all

>>151304733
speaking of adam
>introduce lute's hallucinations early in the season
>do absolutely nothing with it

>>151304890
They set up Vox’s rivalry with Alastor in Stayed Gone and didn’t do anything with it until this season. Most likely the Lute story is coming in season 3.

The main issue with promoting redemption to sinners is that Sir Pentious always seemed like a fish out of water. His crimes were essentially limited to failing to assist local authorities, which is nothing compared to the mass murderers, child rapists, and similar offenders wandering around. Yes, some sinners might be redeemable, but is there any real possibility for a cannibal, someone who burned down a mall, or those 1700 slavers who simply drowned their human cargo when caught ? The fact that redemption occurred once is not a guarantee for people who are, on average, detached from morality and any drive for improvement. Some may even be fully comfortable in Hell, like Zestial.

>>151304913
Kind of reminds me of Saw how some of Jigsaw’s victims are pedos and rapists but then you have a guy he puts in a trap because he smoked.

>>151304913
will you stop posting this if they redeem vox

>>151304913
the show's entire premise of "eternal damnation is unjust for limited harm" falls apart if they cannot redeem someone truly evil because it's uncomfy. It already fell apart when "hell" is only a place of suffering due to the other people there. It falls apart even more if you suggest someone like Vox Val or Hitler cannot possibly be redeemed and thus render the entire premise null and void.

>>151304913
>>151304940
>>151304986
Vox is getting redeemed this week and the seethe from all sides will be insane

>>151305005
>valentino's GAY LOVE redeems him
please viv it would be so funny

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>>151304905
Lute will get killed at the finale of Season 2.

>>151305005
What kind of biblical act of good can he pull to be redeemed?

>>151305056
We already know no one is dying.

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>>151304986
>>151304913
SOON

>>151305065
iirc one of the voice actors said their least favorite character was gonna die

>>151305061
He disbands his cult following and frees them from his mind control which he should have done with his cult when he was on earth

>>151305061
releasing alastor to save his friends. he'd have to get over decades of pure homoseethe.

>>151305069
ppl were already mad that Valentino is charming and attractive , because all rapists are ugly and repulsive apparently , and attractive people can never rape.
can you imagine how much of a shitshow this would cause? it'd be fun to watch

>>151304986
>can they hypothetically
yes
>will they
Given their personality, NEVER

>>151305094
they also believe that women can't get genuinely fucked over in the same way men can because of cultural stereotypes about female innocence

>>151305096
they have free will tho, a big plot point of this is that anyone can be redeemed. if we are to follow their personality, 99% of sinners are uninterested in doing good for the sake of good and are happy go lucky to invade Heaven for gibs. at which point the exterminations become all but a pre-emptive strike for a guaranteed invasion

>>151305120
most people don't know redemption is possible, if it is then hotel might actually gain some credibility.

>>151305138
wouldn't they need to redeem themselves for the sole purpose of being a better person? Pentious didn't redeem himself to get into heaven. And if they can redeem themselves due to soely wanting to enter into heaven, who's to say they wont fuck shit up there

>>151305151
That’s why Vox is getting redeemed. He won’t be doing it on purpose.

>>151305120
Isn't that basically the reason they’re in Hell? They can do good, but they absolutely refuse to improve out of pride, malice, or a general aversion to being anything other than narcissistic egomaniacs. They can change, but that doesn’t mean they ever actually will. For some, the work required to redeem themselves would be overwhelming, and they might refuse even to consider being put in a position where they’re accountable for anything in their lives. Others might simply give up because they have no faith in themselves at all, and might mask it by pretending to be above the very act of Judgement

>>151305056
This screencap happened all the way back in Episode 2. It was in Sera's song. Early reviews confirm that Lute does nothing and nobody important dies. Lute's voice actor has recorded for Season 3.

>>151305005
Honestly I think the seethe would be harder if he dies. Everyoen loves him now.

>>151304913
I mean the reality isn't that this is all there but that this theme is floating around sort of narrowly attached to the rest of it like an organ hanging out.
You wanna know where the premise fails? A good redemption story leaves the redemption for the audience to determine. The point of a redemption story is usually the world will never know the full picture of a certain character but we the audience will

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>>151305094
>ppl were already mad that Valentino is charming and attractive
nope they're opening up to the idea of giving valentino more personality and charm actually.
>"I am also of the mind that even an abuser can change. I agree with Charlie that anyone can be redeemed."
>"I LOVE that they're showing a nicer more human side of a monster because of what you just said. "
>"people get this image on their minds of rapists as the creepy person living in an alley with a knife. More media should remember to portray them more realistically, they are people with good and bad traits, can have friends and loved ones, can be handsome and kind and just strike after completely gaining trust."
it's kind of impressive. rape is usually the special kind of evil where people won't except any kind of redeemable act or positive light

I don't understand the whole "Lucifer was banished for giving freewill to humans", are you implying Adam and Lilith were born without freewill or what? Who even was the first sinner in the world? Cain? Roo? Eve?

>>151305268
this is a tame plothole compared to making the exterminations something that lasted for only 7 years

>>151304799
>and the rest Lilith being a bitch

According to Charlie, Lilith's agenda was being nice to Heaven and not war. But the writing is so terrible that they will reveal Lilith was indeed GOOD all along from the start.

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>>151304811

"ON MY AW-THORITY, AS GEN'RULL MANAGER OF SMACKDOWN, I'M PITTIN' THE THREE OF YOU AGAINST THE MORNINGSTARS AND ALASTOR IN A SIX-MAN MIXED-TAG MATCH, PLAYA!"

>>151305222
No there are people on tumblr and twitter who hate him for being racist and say Alastor wasn’t nearly mean enough in rejecting his crush.

>>151305056
She sings in the final song, if anyone's dying it's Sera who doesn't have a singing part in it. Also Lucifer and Angel aren't singing.

>>151305254
i think it helps that valentino is like almost a level removed from the usual rapist, he's more like a supervillainous and evil ridiculous boss. than your standard irl rapist who's more likely to be just some turd who commits date rape

>>151305292
>sera dies
would anyone give a shit, she seems to be the least popular character

>>151305292
>if anyone's dying it's Sera
Honestly I'd be completely fine with this, I disliked Sera from the very start desu.

>>151305306
>>151305311
>killing off a black female character

No way in hell

>>151305297
Velvette is literally more evil than Valentino with her rape potions but no one wants this discussion on Twitter

>>151305306
>>151305311
Yeah, I think most people would be okay with this. I thought Sera was fine originally, but this season she's shown herself to be an even bigger retard than Emily somehow. She's beyond fucking stupid with how she handled everything.

>>151305319
Good thing she's in heaven then.

>>151305268
Lilith literally had free will to choose to disobey Adam kek, unless Lilith never has free will or something.
the answer is that it wasn't thought out

>>151304913
Has the show established that it wants ALL the sinners to be redeemed?

>>151304799
I hope Lute kino will save season 3.

>>151305329
She was being unnecessarily abrasive in how she handled Pentious's ascension and only calmed down when a far more wise higher-up told her to chill, I hate this self-righteously arrogant bitch.

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Going to begin the Vox hate circlejerk early since he's going to be humiliated massively in the new few episodes if the leaks are to be believed

>obsesses over Alastor for years, later kidnaps and forces Alastor to watch him and his ugly moth boyfriend have sex, and this whole rivalry began because Alastor (a ruthless serial killer turned demon overlord killer btw) said mean things to him once 70 years ago that hurt his feelings and made him cry
>so obsessed with impressing Alastor that it ruins his relationship with his teammates
>constantly disrespects and ignores his ugly moth boyfriend, yet when his boyfriend does the same to him, he brutally tortures a defenseless sex worker and feeds another sex worker to his shark out of jealousy
>the only reason why he is so successful this season is because of every other characer suffering from plot induced stupidity
>literally didn't do jack shit to fight off the exorcists yet claims credit for it (I know he's saying this first propaganda reasons but it's still pathetic)

>>151305338
>Has the show established that it wants ALL the sinners to be redeemed?
No, even Charlie has never said anything like that. All she's said is that redemption is possible and that anyone can be redeemed.

>>151305371
the problem with vox is that he's right about 90% of what he said about heaven but he's just so annoying and obnoxiously smug about it that he simply deserves to lose

>>151305356
>Needs Speaker to tell her how to feel
>Kicks Lute out and and puts in Abel, the most passive and inept person in Heaven, in charge
>Locks Heaven off for some fucking reason
>Goes along with Emily's stupid basket plan and then doesn't attempt to smooth things over in the slightest
>Goes back on what she thought and now thinks Lute was correct
She's the biggest flip-flopper in this show, she has no will of her own.

>>151305319
>kill off sera
>introduce alastor's black mommy (no way his abusive dad was the black one)

ONE IN, ONE OUT

>>151305371
>the only reason why he is so successful this season is because of every other characer suffering from plot induced stupidity
That also applies to Alastor's manipulations. Literal sandbox bully tier shit that only works because Vees, the supposed master manipulators themselves, have to be retarded for Alastor to succeed in his plans.

>>151305394
He's not right about anything, being a victim of genocide doesn't mean you're entitled to enact your own genocide and steal land from another population. All of the "Vox is right ackchully" people conveniently leave out this part of his beliefs even though he outright said (sung) it in Vox Populi

>>151305419
in fairness vox is blinded by homolust and valentino is retarded. velvette should absolutely have seen through him though

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How would Vox have reacted here if he didn't know about Lu's weakness?
Also why doesn't Lucifer point out that he's the one who killed Adam and stopped the exterminations? He feels very stupid

>>151305440
vox would have shat himself

>>151305440
Lucifer allowed the exterminations in the first place, the point Vox is trying to make is that Lucifer doesn't act in the Sinners' best interests.

>>151305398
>>Goes back on what she thought and now thinks Lute was correct

She is. Lets drop the nonsense sinners are indeed wicked evil trash. And when this series ends many will think of Hazbin Hotel as sewage waste.

>>151305440
>Also why doesn't Lucifer point out that he's the one who killed Adam
because... he wasn't?

>>151305291
Those are just salty Alastor fans coping because they think if Vox is evil, then it means Alastor isn't as bad.

>>151305452
>Lets drop the nonsense sinners are indeed wicked evil trash.
Counterpoint: nuh uh.

>>151305449
>that Lucifer doesn't act in the Sinners' best interests.
It's always been retarded to me how Lucifer still sides with Heaven even after he was literally banished from it and permanently chained to Hell, like you'd think he'd develop some kind of bitter pride in his damnation instead of being depressed.

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Can you believe it guys? Hazbin Hotel season 2 finale! Just a few days away!

>>151305371
So what you're saying is that Vox is a moe yandere archetype. How is that hateful?

>>151305440
He would've literally unleashed a stinker in his pants

I really want to like TV man as an antagonist but every character suffering from a sharp drop in their IQ whenever they are around him just so he can be "smart" and smug and be spoonfed his wins really puts a damper in that

>>151305449
More surprised that Vox said to Lucifer when his punch failed "You won't do it!"

If Vox wanted to seriously hurt Lucifer he should have said "See sinners? Lucifer CANNOT hurt us in the first place!" That alone would shake the entire foundation of the pride ring unleashing horrific chaos.

>>151305469
Viv or another writer said they intentionally avoided the "better to rule in Hell" angle with Lucifer. It's all set up for him abdicating the throne for Charlie.

>>151305440
Honestly would have been way cooler if Vox rolled the 50/50 on if Lucifer could hurt him or not. Could act a bit scared but be ready to fight only to gain a massive ego boost from being able to withstand Lucifers attacks
>>151305469
He loves the rest of the rings, it's just sinners that he absolutely hates.

>>151305500
anon, pretty much every character in hellaverse is meant to be dumb, goofy or theatrical in some way, none of them can ever truly be smart without having an exaggerated plot advantage.

>>151305452
I don't disagree, but Sera lacks any critical thought and Lute deserved to be taken seriously from the beginning. Sera's a massive cunt.

>>151305505
>More surprised that Vox said to Lucifer when his punch failed "You won't do it!"
Yeeah that made it unclear if that's what it looks like when Lucifer tries to hurt a Sinner or if he paused because he's afraid of the consequences (in that case who/what deals out the consequences?).

>>151305500
The writers for Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are fueled by Rule of Stupid. Everything is charged by hyper idiocy from the characters to the story.

>>151305520
>>151305440
Vox, as a cult leader, would have been a godlike chad if he had genuinely risked getting buttraped by Lucifer with no knowledge of it.

>>151305537
>in that case who/what deals out the consequences?
yfw charlie had siblings...once

>>151305531
Lute's a loser schizo bitch who still wouldn't be happy even if every sinner was dead and she was allowed to kill them as they spawned into Hell. No amount of blood is going to bring Adam back. Nothing is ever, ever going to make her happy.

>>151305440
>How would Vox have reacted here if he didn't know about Lu's weakness?
Shit his pants internally, externally try and play it in a way where Lucifer wiping the floor with him would be a loss for Lucifer. Lean on that he'd ruin Charlie's reputation, probably? It'd be very much a game of trying to play on Lucifer's weak spots in a way that doesn't set him off like a holy nuke.
He'd honestly probably have really good odds of succeeding at talk-no-jitsuing Lu into not even trying to touch him, because Vox is a bullshitter and while Lucifer is one too, he's entirely out of whatever groove he had because uwu depresso.

>>151305537
From seeing that scene Lucifer cant connect an attack with a sinner. The most he can do to interact with a sinner is when he pressed his face on Alastor's near the end of the Hell Father song. But actually trying to attack like a light slap? A force will stop Lucifer's action.

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Random question, if you can contact Hell with esoteric sigils in the human world, who's to say you can't do the opposite with Heaven? Can you contact an angel?

>>151305575
Sinner Adam will.

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>>151305608
I'm kind of over Sinner Adam at this point, I think I'd rather he just stay dead and Lute has to learn to cope with it.

>>151305596
I guess with the existance of CHERUB allowing angels to contact humans I'm sure there would be a way to do so. Now why would an angel answer though if they get nothing from it is another question.

>>151305629
sinner adam, probably never by now.

fallen angel lute, i'm investing all my voxcoin

>>151305440
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he seemed genuinely afraid when the angels popped up and didn't go back to his usual arrogance until Emily clarified they were there to apologize

>>151305629
>>151305657
You will never get me to not believe.

>>151305629
Atleast a lutefag show the first signs of maturity.

>>151305657
>sinner adam, probably never by now.
I don't think it's happening but based on the Angel reveal we shouldn't rule out Viv going for it anyway and handwaving away why he never showed up in season 2 as him being too busy eating fast food and fucking demon chicks.

>>151305659
He knew from Angel Dust that angels came to apologize.

>>151305679
it's workable.realistically if adam got turned sinner, he would have to go into hiding immediately so neither charlie or regular hell citizens kicked the shit out of him. or he could be being held captive by some overlord.

>>151304750
Probably this

>>151305684
I thought that at first but I think "how I knew the angels were coming" was referring to the exterminations since Angel was shown telling him this in the flashback

Also I have no idea how Angel Dust would know Emily, Sera, Abel, and Lute were coming since they only met with Charlie and she didn't tell anyone else

Lucifer is literally blinded by pride. He goes ahead without listening to anyone and swings between episodes of maniac overinflated mania and depression, like the real thing. He was baited, and he didn’t even consider that those “mouthy mortals” would be able to talk back. Sera is in shambles after literally disintegrating eternal souls, and she is willing to follow Emily’s naive outlook on life, even though Emily has literally never left Heaven for anything. So you have someone who does not trust her own judgment and someone who is too naive to rely on. Charlie is Lucifer’s daughter, and just like him she does not listen to anyone but her own head. She is starting to lean on Vaggie, but she is still functionally a high schooler overwhelmed by her situation.

All these factors together allowed Vox to catch the spark, because he understands sinners far better than the main cast, not through exceptional intelligence but through a combination of favorable events he managed to turn to his advantage.

I do not see it as a particular stretch in writing. It fits reasonably well. Not top-tier material, but still solid.

>>151305719
>>151305500
for this post

>>151305719
Lucifer calling them "mortals" is already redundant since they're already immortal as sinners and can't die of age.
His ego is really brittle.

>>151305708
They spend some time making gift baskets. I guess Angel overheard them.

>>151304733
>Depowered and reset back to where he was in S1, except he he has to step back from being the face of the brand.
>Depowered and cast down. Since he was voted the Hottest Overlord he has to replace a missing Angel Dust in Valentino's projects
>Depowered, cast down, abandoned by the Vees and left for the streets
>Redeemed on a technicality, trapping him in heaven and away from his power and the Vees
>Turned into radiowaves and joins Alastor's broadcast of tormented screams
>Sentenced to the Hotel to be redeemed against his will
>Castdown and destroyed, becoming one of those eyes on the walls
>Castdown, left with no body, has to posess a tv or other screen device
>Just straight up killed. Final stab delivered by Baxter and Nifty.

>>151305505
Because he's not actually interested in empowering Sinners, just himself. He spun it as Lucifer backing down against him specifically so he looks even more impressive and like the true leader. That benefits him more than every Sinner knowing they also have some leverage over Lucifer. Which is interesting because that means the secret isn't fully out yet except to a few people.

>>151304733
I like the idea of him being trapped within the hotel’s TVs idea but I think him being trapped in one of Alastor’s radios would be a much harsher punishment considering he won’t be able to see and for someone who is used to seeing everything and everyone whenever he wants being blind is the cruelest thing.


The worst is him being used to fix Alastor’s cane and being trapped within said cane because now he has no eyes and no mouth and he must scream.

>>151305437
I don't think she gives enough of a fuck, though. Already in S1 she was going around calling herself the backbone of the group and was smiling during Stayed Gone when Alastor said that Vox would be nothing without the other Vees

Val being a fullblown floridian retard is the best development for his character ever

not gonna lie, when i first heard lucifer saying "you mouthy little mortal" my ears heard it as "you naughty little mortal!"

>>151305371
Valentino should just get his pimp on and fuck the Alastor obsession out of him once and for all.

>>151305785
i guess if he became a cane then he could finally hold hands with his crush

>>151305802
His gay little drawing tutorial is great. I'm spoiled by stuff like Hunter the Parenting which by its nature has practically endless time to flesh its characters out, and good God does Viv's stuff benefit from letting the characters just exist in a scene a little and show themselves off. Val's ten times more charming as a character because of spending ten minutes bickering with Vox over what food to even get, making jokey fun of Velvette's accent, calling Vox unattractive, bald, and wondering why does he even wear a hat, and basically broadcasting it out to the world that Vox's a sweetie who, confronted with a flamboyantly gay Floridian who wants nachos, or maybe wings, just gets him both to make sure he eats something, no matter what.

>>151305829
>there is a nonzero chance vox asked him to wear a deer headband during sex
valentino must really love him

>>151305440
He would’ve been scared as fuck and surprised the same way he was when the Angels appeared, then he would’ve just talked his way into realizing that Lucifer can’t do shit to him just the same way he got all high and mighty when he saw that the Angels weren’t doing shit to him.

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>>151305440
Alternatively, what if Vel and Val came out with him on stage here or during this moment

I want Roo/Eve to be the one owning Adam's soul since the moment he died. She never had the opportunity to, but now she can.

>>151305848
I wonder how many times Vox forgot Val's "V" during sex

>vox calling val "al"
bros not like this

>>151305719
If every other character just so happens to conveniently respond the same way to challenging and overwhelming situations by self sabotaging and making blatantly stupid decisions that all conveniently benefit Vox, that is contrived writing. It's even more clear how it's contrived when the self sabotaging from these characters is flanderization and doesn't align with their character development at this point (this is very much the case with Charlie and Lucifer)

Like Lucifer, the guy who witnessed the rise of Jesus Christ, seemingly doesn't understand martyrdom and seemingly never witnessed anyone similar to Vox in the thousands of years he's been alive as a leader of an entire realm, and thought confronting a guy, who baited his powerful daughter for ratings and who he couldn't hurt, publicly at his rally was a good idea

Lucifer has always been petty, cynical, and jaded but I never got the impression he was this stupid until this season.

Him telling Vaggie his biggest weakness and shame when he doesn't even know her name felt especially forced. I know she's Charlie's girlfriend but again it's only been a little over a month since they met

>>151305909
>jesus christ
doesnt exist in hazbin

>>151305919
They make references to the cross so he exists, he might not have been the son of God though.

>>151305909
>Seemingly doesn't understand martydom
God fucking damn it don't matter how you shake it up or criticize this post, this alone should have made Lucifer aware of the kind of person Vox was and not engage with this shit once Vox even HINTED that he wasn't backing down, especially at one of his fucking rallies too.
Seriously sad to see the Charlie ultimately fucks up plot just seriously damaged Lucifer's writing and Vaggie's too just to justify how Vox can 5D chess this shit. It was seriously pathetic that three characters, two of which should have known better are getting clowned on because of Charlie's retardation and lack of not getting baited causes the worst overall episode of Hazbin, it's not even close how bad the quality of S2 E5 is.

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>>151305909
He's not exactly stupid, he just expected to simply show up and scare him shitless. Too bad he literaly pushed all his buttions thanks to his mole.
The fact that he can't hurt sinners is still REEAAALY hard to work with

>>151305909
I actually don't think Lucifer takes this weakness of his super seriously because he doesn't take Sinners all that seriously. I don't get the impression that he thinks they could ever really hurt or overcome him even after all this. That's his pride at play again. Vox is about to prove him wrong and it'll probably mess him up for a while.

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>>151305836
It would be the most gentle Alastor would be with him but still a horrible fate.

>>151305848
Valentino puts up with so much shit from Vox that no pimp would ever do with a ho which goes to show that yes he does love him. But you see the moments he directly gets angry at Vox and how Vox reacts with concern it’s obvious he also gives a shit about Val needs to put him in his place more often.

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>>151305901
>there's legitimate possibility vox trying to play this off is where the nickname came from
kek

>>151306012
>>151305909


It feels like a depressed, high society snobbish dad, incredibly rich and successful and detached from the plebs, walking into a small town school to state something he thinks the locals are too stupid to understand, only to get his ass handed to him by a demagogue who can leverage on his own elitist past. It doesn’t come off as a writing problem. He’s too used to getting his way and being above everything to expect any real pushback.

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>>151306080
I think most anons have the issue with Lucifer's reveal is that it's really REALLY convenient for the plot to just get brought up at exactly the right time, and place for not only Vox to have overheard, but to then be used against Lucifer, where like what a post up above said, were Lucifer to have come sooner or if for whatever reason Angel Dust wasn't positioned correctly to have overheard it, would have made a MUCH better scene that Vox had to gamble with the king of hell not being able to do anything.
It's just seriously contrived to make Vox seem way smarter than he actually is and makes a lot of hotel members look bad for not noticing the subtle stuff like Angel Dust walking around hypnotized/not noticing odd behaviors he's been doing for Vox. Along with the natural degradation of Charlie's character again when she herself even admits she was getting played by Vox but just kept getting baited because she thought she could do things her way.
Vaggie and Lucifer aren't even doing anything actually seriously wrong, it's just all on the basis of Charlie's horribly flawed logic that it sucks to watch.

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The charges, officer?

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I hope the season ends with him being forced to start rehab at the hotel

>>151306189
Charlie insisting on redeeming Vox and having him around three people he personally victimized sounds like something she'd do.

Can you be redeemed without dying? Does it have to be a sacrifice like Pentious?

>>151305953
Charlie's character is suffering from plot induced idiocy to bolster Vox as a villain sue as well. I don't like how naive characters are flanderized to have their main flaw be stupidity and stubborness without any depth or other traits and Charlie is an example of this.

I can buy that she would fall for VoxTech's bait but her trying to redeem Angel Dust was OOC.

In Welcome To Heaven, Charlie literally confronted the angels to their faces for how bullshit their "rules" and standards for who is accepted into Heaven are. She knows how arbitrary Heaven's rules are.

And again I hate the "oh well she's traumatized and a mess and she's desperate to prove that her hotel works so her mom will come back so that means her acting ridiculously dumb is not OOC" defense

In S1 when Heaven rejected Charlie and her dreams to her face, when her girlfriend got exposed as a former exorcist, when Adam proudly announced that they were going to murder her and all of her friends in just 24 hours, Charlie was completely devastated but she didn't turn into a complete idiot and fuck up everything. She got her shit together and organized a defense plan that ended up succeeding.

That's because S1 was at least partially (partially) interested in writing her as an actual character and didn't force her to carry the idiot ball to make Vox look smarter than everyone else. Because characters in Hazbin Hotel do things because the writers want them to do it, not because it makes sense for the narrative, for the character and their development

>>151306141
val should have just bugged the hotel. he literally visited it in person

>>151306232
I am gonna laugh (and be annoyed) if Charlie getting laid is actually what gets her back on track on ep 7.

>>151306216
Yeah, I can see Lucifer and Alastor being barely able to live with him
But he fucked with angel so much that just knowing Vox is on a 50 mile perimeter would make him shit himself and have an anxiety attack
Good thing that according to the leaks Angel is leaving the hotel

>>151306216
>raise your hand if you have personally been victimized by vox

>>151306148
Alastor would never, lol

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>>151306249
maybe that's WHY he'd leave the hotel

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>I wish we could all get along like we used to in preexistence... I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy...

>>151306240
I'm honestly impressed they didn't imply Pentious DID manage to leave more bugs around the hotel other than the one he was caught with.

What’s with those red lines Vox gets on his mouth sometimes? I used to think it was Val’s red spit because he always has them when they kiss and Val is drooling red but sometimes he will randomly have it when Val isn’t around. What is that supposed to convey?

>>151306311
I've seen people suggest that he gets so excited that he bites his lip/gum and it's blood.

>>151306248
What the fuck was even Charlie's character arc this season? What is her solution to her insecurities and obsessive need to prove herself? (I assume that's her character arc but again I really don't fucking know and the writers probably don't either)

Can someone who thinks Charlie wasn't flanderized or poorly written this season explain this please

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>Val is just a pimp
>Vel actually makes date rape drugs
>Val is hated more doing his pimp stuff like slapping his hoes than the actual rapist
how is being a pimp is worse than rape? fucking how

>>151306371
Val's spit works as a date rape drug, he's an actual rapist. Velvette is a rape-enabler.

>>151306371
Valentino rapes Angel Dust in numerous instances throughout Poison

>>151306283
i want to rape, kill and cannibalize emily

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>>151304733
If he doesn't get a punishment and just surrenders after hearing the power of friendship or whatever, it would suck. However, it would be a rare example of a MALE villain doing this, when it's been for so long something reserved for female villains in animation. Female villains can attempt mass genocide and get a light pat on the back as long as they're traumatized, while male villains who do the same, trauma or not, just get killed with no mercy. And if any show will have the balls (or stupidity) to do this, it's the one that puts the rapist as the funny comic relief who's being unjustly treated by his manipulative boyfriend.

>>151305436
Oy vey, cool it with the antisemitism

>>151306415
Wow you sure would fit into Hellaverse world

>>151306434
both of these characters are irksome

>>151306283
Emily and Abel's mentality is the one that lead to the phrase "let them eat cake"

>>151304733
>We know he won’t be killed like Adam was
Source?

>>151306383
having your saliva fucking up hormones in people is way different than deliberately making rape potions. I forgot if Val can turn the saliva thing off or not though
Also Val is a porn film guy, its part of his job. I want to entertain the theory that Angel groomed him worse, but Viv doesn't have the balls. Since the story established that the original sin that got them to hell is the problem, and Val then got worse somehow.

>>151306311
I think it’s “pixel bleeding” representing blood or drool. Lucifer has golden bloody drool coming from his mouth at one point too. I think it’s an artistic choice to show a character with heightened emotions.

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>>151305440
I don't understand why Lucifer isn't allowed to hurt sinners but can murder Adam. You'd think that's something he shouldn't be allowed to do, like part of the same punishment that prevents him from doing anything about sinners. He could have killed Adam any time he wanted before.

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If this is all leading up to Charlie becoming the Queen of Hell, I wonder what Lilith's flaw as a leader will be. Maybe she used Sinners to make her feel better about herself?

>>151306508
why can lilith pop out kids but regular angels or sinners can't

>>151306537
Lilith never died

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>>151306464
>val's sin could be something merely innocent compared to rape, so he wasnt a rapist in life
>fans deliberately forgetting hes in hell, he has to be worse to survive like being a rapist
impressive

>>151306537
because she was the first woman and probably has some inherent abilities and privileges from being directly descended from god

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>>151306363
I'll gladly be devil's advocate even if I think she seriously could have just been more defiant/less schizo to think Vox was genuinely helping her out of the kindness of his heart and she'd probably feel FAR better written this season but

>Needing to learn that while she might now have a solid proof that her methods DO work, she needs to understand that she'll always have skeptics or people who want to take advantage of her newfound power no matter what
Why she needs this lesson though is beyond me as the princess of hell, it absolutely should be something she naturally knows but I digress.
>Uuhhh, maybe something with obsession over doing things her way isn't always the right thing to do, needing to listen to her friends and do the harder choices is better for her cause and everyone
Again, hard to justify getting baited for so many episodes that Vox mindrapes your friend to milk you like the lolcow you are is kinda hard to justify, especially because she's callous towards anyone that's not directly helping her with this shit and even endangers those that DO (Husk).
>Solution
Maybe having faith in her friends to back her up. Because Episode 6 feels like it's a consequence of her inability to look out for her friends
>Lucifer has left briefly because of her barely justified anger at him.
>Angel Dust is getting mindraped for the finale because she wasn't actually even paying attention to him to notice something was wrong.
>Vaggie and her are unstable together until they deal with Carmine due to prior bullshit with Lucifer that Vaggie was responsible for
>Husk quits briefly to go fall back into his sin due to the literal teenage drama
>Only has a bunch of crazies or characters who aren't helping around majorly left
She's the leader of the hotel, Alastor is just a frontman, she needs to start getting into the role of it and keep her people in check otherwise she'll lose it all when pieces fall apart like this.
Or if you need this shit, don't make her dumb.

>>151305440
Literally cry like a little bitch just look how he reacted when the angels appeared

Vox getting redeemed would be amusing, but what would there even be for him to do as a character after that? I don't see him living unless he joins a bigger bad for season 3

>>151306537
because myth lilith is an actual demon, her kids are from corruption. iirc she even cucks adam from eve so he could suffer from seeing how badly he accidentally screwed up humanity falling from her bed trick.
whether viv used this as a base for the show lilith remains to be seen

>>151306623
>Alastor leaving leaves a bit of a void like advertising, management, and.. Whatever the fuck Alastor was doing
>Vox literally just being the replacement because the hotel needs it.
Other than that, I agree and why he really shouldn't live but Amazon themselves REALLY want us to know he's not dying by updating the website like that near the end of the season.

If I get 6 quads then Alastor kills Lucifer

>>151306586
it's not without prescendent, pentious went from just being a coward to becoming a crazed supervillain

>>151306623
i guess he could corrupt some angels, whether accidentally or not.

>>151306434
How would the power of friendship even work when Vox has Velvette and Valentino as friends? I guess Alastor could do 180 and befriend him but that seems way too stupid

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>>151306667
Swing and a fucking miss.

>>151304835
Kind of peak actually.

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>>151306667
fraudlastor

>>151305785
To be fair in the pilot the cane/microphone could make sounds and even talk a bit, so that's how you could have nore of that Alastor and Vox banter.

It would also be a way of pulling a Monkey's Paw, since he'd technically be in a Double Act with Alastor.

>>151305306
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>>151305398
Sera is obviously going to be the main villain of season 3. Only she has the means and information (the ball) to make Abel casually murder hoards of sinners, and to know what targets to eliminate. And the potential strength to fight Lucifer.

>>151306260
Is there anything Alastor wouldn't do to make Vox feel insecure?

>>151306637
It surprises me that no one realizes Adam is a deeply traumatized and abused person because of what Lilith and Lucifer did to Eve.

>>151306623
if the theory that sera dies in the invasion is true, he'd be a giga-ultra-war criminal. what do you even do with someone like that

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>>151306777
Oh Emily, what do you think of Redemption?

>>151305056
No way, Lute is def a main villain for season 3 or 4 or something adjacent. We still need the Lilith plot cleared up ++ her revenge for adams death isnt being covered in 2 episodes already packed with vee stuff

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Does anyone else notice how Charlie is weirdly paternal towards Angel Dust, and that she has been this way towards him since they first met in the Dirty Healings comic?

Like in the pic related, she greets Cherri with "it's nice to meet one of Angel's friends, he never brings anyone around" in the way a Mom would greet their child's friends. Also the whole scene with her coming to his job with her trying to vouch for him and trying to be interested in his work by giving suggestions. Also the entirety of Speedrun to Redemption

idk I just find their relationship strange and interesting. I can't help but wonder if Vox caught onto their dynamic which is why he specifically used Angel Dust for whatever he's doing in episode 7 to hurt Charlie. She clearly cares for him very deeply and has genuinely believed in him from the start, but it is kind of a condescending love (platonic) that she has for him

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>>151306383
>Vox getting shit from fans for using his hypno-eyes on Val, speculating that them knowing it doesn't work means he's tried it before
Chances are all three of them have tried out their control powers on each other at least once. It was probably a bonding moment when they found out their methods didn't work on each other.

>>151305419
Cant say I came into hazbin hotel looking for good writing afterall

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as much as alastor being the overarching and final villain would be funny, i really hope that wouldnt come to be despite how much it fits his huge ego. Coming to literal Roo(t) of all evil/Lilith to bratty sinner would give huge whiplash.

>>151306764
Theres a reason people hate Lilith and refuse to talk about her in the myths after all. You just don't taunt the first man and live.
that and hes a man, males rarely get sympathy if they get any form of trauma or abuse
fuck angel dust though, i dont care about that annoying faggot

>>151306816
*maternal not paternal

>>151305371
I dont believe there are any reliable leaks for 7-8 out right now, every leaks with proof was already cleared out last couple of episodes or disproven iirc all we have to go off of is the 2 unused trailer scenes & alastors "how can you topple heaven when youre not even the strongest in hell"

>>151306819
Thatd be cute I wish we would be able to have more screentime for the characters, damn short seasons

>>151306623
If he's redeemed and gets stuck in heaven, he'll probably be just be freaking out in the background of the ongoing story whenever scenes take place there.

If he gets sentenced to the hotel to under go redemption, they can probably just put extra limitations on him like Lucifer got, so all he can do is hang out in the background of the ongoing plot untill he's needed.

In the long term, the biggest reason to keep him alive is so he can be an ally when it's Alastor's turn to be the Big Bad. Not having him around for that would be a waste.

>>151304750
This

>>151306496
>He could have killed Adam any time he wanted before
No, because Adam was in heaven, where Lucifer isn't allowed, and when exterminations started he couldn't, and wouldn't to be fair, intervene until a hellborn was targeted

>>151306752
He would chat with the other Vees and let Velvette do his make up but I don’t think he would get physically cozy with them like this. I also don’t think Valentino would either considering he is a little jealous of him and considers him an annoyance.

Velvette came in after Alastor’s banishment so she would be the most open with him to be friendly.

>>151306816
She treated Sir Pentious like a baby too

>>151305005
Not that I’m against him getting redeemed but there’s some tonal whiplash since he just mindraped the gay spider last episode

>>151305268
It wasn’t some fruit of free will that he gave them, it was the Fruit of Knowledge, as in the knowledge of good and evil.
Basically they had no comprehension of what is evil, so if Adam was a bit of a controlling jerk in the beginning he wasn’t doing it out of malice, he literally had no idea that it was bad.

>>151306819
It’s what makes their relationship genuine that they can’t use their powers to fuck with each other. Vox also was just doing that out of show for Alastor.

>>151305659
Idk it's weird and you could interpret it as more bullshitting considering his expression was more goofy than anything or just the show being weird & it having been genuine fear. Tbf he did still aurafarm to Sara after she directly said "sinners like you are the reason we still have exterminations"

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>>151305094
>charming and attractive

>>151306816
There's a version of this story where Charlie's compound for vulnerable people looking to cleanse their souls and ascend, becomes the cult.

Given that Vox's movement is more populist political movement than a traditional cult, they could still do it. Maybe if Vox does end up in the hotel and starts giving well intentioned tips.

>>151305500
I think its a writing issue overall, anytime a character is wanted to be viewed as smart they nuke the other characters iq rather than making genuinely creative/subtle statements

>>151306623
Vox in Heaven would go all televangelists on Heaven and try to take over it and at that point is he really redeemed?

The man really does not want redemption. He seems content with what he does with the Vees and only after Adam got fucked did he get the idea of taking over heaven and with what’s been happening he is confident he can do it. He does not want forgiveness (and if it happens it would be something at the end of the show).

Vox is very content being a piece of shit.

>>151306455
Some supposed leaks. All we know is that he gets defeated.

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>>151304733
Vees make it to Heaven and immediately get struck down by Sera/The Speaker/one of the Elders/Michael (I wish) and get humbled so hard that most of their followers ditch them after seeing they're all hype, no substance and aren't even the biggest fish in Hell, just the biggest fish in Pride.

>>151306464
>theory that Angel groomed him worse
I’d love for something as controversial as that but it would never happen.
Just like imagine Val reveals in life he was a pimp, but a good protective one who never hurt any of his workers, but it was just a couple murders that got him sent to hell.
It wasn’t until meeting Angel Dust and his constant “do it harder daddy” and wanting more rough treatment that turned him into want he is now.

im tired of alastor, i want him dead

>>151306434
It would suck but I can see a Vivzie pulling this shit.

After the shit he pulled at the least Lute and Alastor would be out to hurt him, those two don’t just let shit go.

>>151306863
Unfortunately Alastor as the final villain would make sense because he would ultimately have some times to all the characters of the hotel. It'd make the final arc all the more personal that someone who's been a big part of all their lives would soon be their last threat before the finish line.

I have seen too many people getting turn on by Vox hypnotic eyes, I dont get that fetish.

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>>151306872
>lucifer can't kill sinners as his punishment for being in hell
>angel dust has been brainwashed by vox from the very beginning, leaked the above info to vox
>vox uses this to bait lucifer into sperging out at his rally
>charlie gets pissed at her dad for trying to stop vox, kicks him out the hotel
>vox tricks lucifer into showing up into a discreet location where he's then trapped and used to power his death ray
>lute does nothing all season
>no one dies in the finale and the only thing of consequence that really happens is angel leaving the hotel after realizing he can't trust himself
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> "find a rope you can swing from"
> "my next plan is gonna make the princess kill herself"
> "if they don't kill you, then go ahead and do it yourself"

Vox is the only character to mention suicide so often iirc? Do you guys think its possible he ran a suicide cult or died by it?

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>>151307049
I hope he gets a deserved death. Everyone hates betrayal, and especially moreso when, like you said, the deer was there all this time throughout the adventures and he still backstabbed them. Theres no way you can find redemption from that, no matter how hard you try

>>151306919
The way she is maternal over both Angel and Pentious makes me question her age, but it could also be simply because she was raised by a father who detests sinners and a mother who wants to empower sinners. I guess those two would make a daughter who wants to be the savior of her people while subconsciously looking down on them

>>151305593
But he slammed Alastor into a wall last season during his song. Maybe there’s a rule where he can use his powers if his family is in immediate danger like a creep is trying to be a father figure in Charlie’s life.

>>151305576
He did that in VOX POPULI, literally brought in drones to film his own smiting.

>>151307136
i really like how it was established of how much of a sociopathic piece of shit he is but i guarantee you that viv will somehow spin it as a sympathetic thing with how much she jerks off him

>>151306777
>if the theory that sera dies in the invasion is true, he'd be a giga-ultra-war criminal
how

>>151307207
Theory that Sera dies is based off of her not singing in Hear My Hope

>>151307246
Maybe she resigns from her position if seraphim can do that idk

>>151307109
I bet pre-hell Vincent gets found out that he also likes men by his congregation and kills himself, or at least it gets heavily implied.

>>151307144
Still odd they haven't clarified Charlie's age.
Like all we know is that one person who worked on the pilot said she was 200, and Viv never denied that but said she aged in Hell Years whatever the fuck that means.

guys viv changed her password from ILoveAlastor123 to ILoveLucifer123 someone get the leaks

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>>151307109
I have this idea that he was an actual true believer in his cult's ideas, and genuinely thought he and his followers would go to heaven after some kool-aid.
That's the reason he's so obsessed with taking over Heaven, he's still seething over being rejected and sent to Hell.

>>151306863
i wish charlastor was canon this anim is so hecking cute

>>151307109
Strong possibility. He's a dead Cult leader and part of the public perception of Cult Leaders that don't get bought down is that they end in mass suicide.

Even if it's not suicide, there's a trend of leaders going hard on alternative medicine and "miracles" instead of seeking real medical treatment. There's a point with a lot of cultists where the centre can't admit they're fallible or have mortal weakness, and so when reality catches up with them, they choose to "ascend" through self-inflicted death rather than break their narrative.

>>151307388
>believed and worked in his own work, goals, motives, and some form of heaven so hard that he redeemed himself to heaven
would be interesting to see

>>151307337
The show heavily implies that she is much younger than Alastor but that's the only details we canonically get about her age

>>151307388
Vox being a Jim Jones parody would be strange given how Jones was staunchly anti capitalist and socialist

>>151305254
Where the FUCK are you guys watching the episodes before they air? I heard they got leaked but I cannot find them.

>>151307497
Its kind of on par for voxs character, co-opting a good faith cause for self interest (though he fits more closely to the hitler parallels, who also co-opted socialism). I can't say I know too much of the Jonestown case though

>>151307051
many fetishes are just bondage but weird

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>>151307446
watch as his cult did nothing evil, but spread the word of gospel in some twisted way.
he genuinely believed in heaven but accidentally damned himself with suicide, since that is the greatest act to get yourself in hell.
so hes putting a lot of work on making heaven notice him since he has a second try, adam's appearance motivated him since vox probably thought hes damned forever to hell before that.
the angels exterminating shit all over shatters his world view a bit because he thinks he might be hit before he gets a chance to prove himself on some twisted view of redemption

>>151307388
I like the idea that his followers actually did get to go to heaven, since they did a lot of good deeds under the cult and their only sin was being fooled by Vox. Meanwhile Vox got sent to hell alone because he got them all killed/heresy/tax evasion.

I also think it's be fitting if he reached the point when alive where he did too much coke and genuinely started to believe he was the divine prophet sent down by God, and there's still a part of him thinks he belongs there.

>>151307557
>vox: if i try to kill myself god will save me!
>[narrator voice] god did not save him