You reckon this show would've worked that bit better had Charlie been a boy?
>>151310395Oh my god, he’s so hot.
>>151310439Might as well post the others I have to bump this thread. @/hellishprincecharlie on IG, which explains why these caps are compressed to no end, sourcing via the browser.
>>151310395Not really, Charlie is somewhat maternal and caring and Lucifer dotes on her in a way no father dotes on their son. Would have to rewrite him a lot.
>>151310557Eh, compassionate male chars can exist, I feel. "Maternal" is a choice, not a requirement. Fathers can also absolutely dote on sons, especially if there's guilt and legacy involved. Charles would then be the immediate heir, which, I mean, to defend your point, necessitates hella rewrites. But that'd mean rewriting Lucifer into, "King watching his successor try to dismantle everything he's built" rather than le heccin' quirky dad. But Viv doesn't wanna give us that show, it seems.
>>151310625The one thing I always think about is that Charlie would be able to have kids, and would be pissed off at Vaggie on the simple fact that he could’ve her gotten pregnant the whole time.
>>151310738I mean....yeah? Besides the fact that a Charles (Male!Charlie)/Vaggie dynamic is that Heaven would lose their shit way harder. Lucifer's son with a fallen angel, symbolic as hell, actual potential, but, again, Viv doesn't wanna take these risks.
>>151310784In context, it would be utterly bonkers since the Lute and Adam lines to Vaggie would’ve been a lot better in that context.And it would parallel how Adam accepted Eve even after she ate the apple.
>>151310801True, but....that's a writing problem, not a gender problem. A male Charles would've had the same issues if Viv kept the same braindead beats. The difference is, Charles-as-heir I feel would've given this ineptitude and stupidity context, how, oh, here's this sheltered prince who's never had to deal with real consequences. THAT at least makes more sense than Charlie's flippant excuse. Doesn't fix the writing, but it'd make the incompetence feel less random. Still probably unwatchable, tho
>>151310801You’ll be back.
>>151310395>You reckon this show would've worked that bit better had Charlie been a boy?No. He'd a taller version of Lucifer. Just as airheaded but less magical.
>>151310842Male Charlie is also way more beautiful than OG female Charlie for some reason. And I’m a straight man. I don’t want to sex him, I want to hug him like he’s a holy angel.Maybe because he has a penis that I will actually find his relationship with Vaggie meaningful instead of the dead end weight it actually is.
>>151310842This isn't even a convincingly male hairstyle to make Charlie look male.
>>151310801This is such a weird autist. Writes so many paragraphs all saying basically nothing. Kingdom Hearts is shit by the way.
>>151310875Korra is way worse than Hazbin Hotel. That the difference is that Vivziepop cares about her dumb characters and wants to say they are doing dumb things. While Korra pretends that its MC is the coolest ever for being a massive self-destroying prick and goes for lesbianism as the grand ending.
>>151310625>Eh, compassionate male chars can existThey really don't, not to the level Charlie is compassionate or caring. She is kind to a fault, and goes on manic episodes in her attempts to fix and help people. While there's no real reason that a character like that couldn't be male, it just doesn't work if your decision behind making Charlie a man is to court more male (self-insert) viewership, because no man would care for such a pussified man.
What if the other Vee's were on stage with Vox in this moment?
>>151310959They would fold.
>>151310813>>151310825>>151310850Cute… I never thought about genderswapped Charlastor until now, but my Lady Bones/MK rotted brain likes it. I love evil women and blundering sunshine boyos
Poasting in a low effort Has Been Motel thread.
>>151310959they would fold but also Sera is a dumbass hot head that just made things worse
>>151310978I would like OG female Charlie if Vaggie was a boy. It would’ve at least make Easy hilarious to watch.
>>151310395It wouldn't matter if Charlie were a boy, a girl, a futa with a 13 inch horsecock, or an ambulatory toaster oven with cupcakes for tits because the writing is fucking dogshit and the visuals are incoherent.If this shit didn't directly and blatantly pander to Alphabet people at every opportunity then nobody would give half a fat flying fuck about it.
>>151310395season 2 is garbage and I want the season 1 characters back. The retcons and new direction for season 2 is awful.
>>151311005I thought Lute would be more unstable than her, but Sera decided to be over the top and transform into a giant dragon. That I fully expect in season 3 to be a Sera villain song of her manipulating Lute and Abel, by presenting their anger as holy and just with the flashback orb.
>>151311015But I thought go woke go broke?
>>151311040Nah. Male Charlie would have the strengths of female Charlie’s pure stupidity and boldness. Unlike Blitzo.
>>151311081Sera is more unhinged than Lute while Lute is more personal than Sera.
>>151310395Only if it means Angel hits on Charlie and Vaggie calls him all kinds of subtly-homophobic things
>>151310395>>151310625>>151310522>>151310784>>151310813>>151310825This would only work if Vaggie was also a boy
>>151310931>Korra pretends that its MC is the coolest everWhen?
>>151311346Seasons 1, 2, and 3. Always keeps screwing everything up.
>>151311282Why the fans so skillful?
>>151311047That still holds true. The adage "go woke go broke" refers generally to the process of taking something that isn't woke and trying to adapt it to appeal to the woke. But the woke aren't interested in those things. They never were, and trying to wokeify those things won't bring them in -it only serves to alienate the paying audience who WERE interested. Ergo, you go broke.Things like Hazbin Hotel don't really fit within that spectrum because it was designed from the ground up to appeal to a very specific demographic: in this case gays, theater kids, and gay theater kids. Assorted Alphabet People and the like. If anything positive can be said about Vivziepop, it's that for all her faults she's really, really, really good at getting the attention of her target audience and then giving them exactly what they want. Corporate entities like Disney don't actually believe their own horseshit the way Viv does, so they aren't successful at it like she is.
>>151310439I'd get him mpreg'd, for sure.
>>151311423This is fairly true, you get what you expect from Viv and her shows.Quality and the lack thereof is predictable for the most part.
>>151311390Season 1 which is about her being hot-headed, scared and then humbled and relying on other people? Season 2 which is about her explicitly screwing things up and unsure of what to do while being manipulated? Season 3 where she is always a step behind and relies on other people to not die?You might be confusing Korra for TLA.
>>151311282giwtwm
>>151311282This is hotter than the OG.
This show's flaws are structural. It does the same shit as Harry Potter and RWBY where it takes pot shots at being "deep" with fantasy metaphors but doesn't commit, and this just makes it look flakey and stupid. It also has the same flaws as both of those franchises in worldbuilding, with a creator who acts like they have "lore" and a "plan" when it's obvious she just makes shit up as she goes along.
>>151311282
>>151311630>It also has the same flaws as both of those franchises in worldbuildingThe flaws in worldbuilding between HH and HP are not similar and RWBY is a completely different sort of absolutely retarded dogshit that does not belong in this comparison at all.
>>151310395>You reckon this show would've worked that bit better had Charlie been a boy?No. Charlie and Vaggie aren't a problem in the show. They're fine.Also, changing Charlie into a man would kind of make a lot of Charlies personality not make sense. Charlie is turning the idea of Peincesses in american fiction on its head. Like...what would happen if there was a peincess of hell and it was played completely straight? And she acted like a Disney peincess and sings and wants everyone to be happy?If its a dude, all that subtext kind of evaporates.Really, the only issue with hazbin hotel is that it gives too much attention to characters that haven't earned it. Like, why is so much time given tk Angel DustM why do we care about his problems? The show hasnt put in the effort and time to make the audience care about his story.As for Helva Boss, yeah, making either blitz or his lovers women, would help. Blitz isnt written like a trashy lesbian. Gay men do not care about power dynamics as much as blitz does. That's something women worry about. Viv writes guy men like yoie. Hell, vaggie and Charlie are written more like gay men because they just like and support each other and they dont make a big deal and have a lot of angst over their different backgrounds and power levels
>>151311887How exactly did you typo princess not only three times but in the exact same way each time
>>151311914>>151311716>>151311282I don't give a fuck about Lute let the bitch fall
>>151311887>Charlie is turning the idea of Peincesses in american fiction on its head. Like...what would happen if there was a peincess of hell and it was played completely straight?Princesses I mean
>>151311887>>151311926Honestly, a Prince of Hell being like a Disney Princess would be more Disney-like because he would be 100% straight.
>>151310882You're bi and in deep deep deep denial
>>151310395I don't think it really changes anything.
>>151312065I want a son like him.
>>151312096>>151312107>one minute apart
>>151312126Trying to make the context more clear.
>>151312147Understandable
let's play>what the fuck did they do when they were alive to be reborn like this
>>151312193Beaten to death by the Mexican cartel for failing to pay on time for cocaine.They had a piñata or put him in one.
Why is Vox a TV but also a shark because he has gills I really don't understand the character design choices here
>>151312008>Disney Princess would be more Disney-like because he would be 100% straightDisney princesses are not defined by their sexual preferences. They have been universally liked by gay men and women since the start. And the princesses have been increasingly assertive since Aladdin.
Emperors new groove is the only time I csn think of that might provide an idea kf what a male Disney Princess would be like. Either krunk or kuzko
>>151312193Chris chan accidentally killed during arrest
>>151312193Fortnite
>>151312193Rodney King but they hit him a little too hard
>>151310395>female angel dust being an unlikeable whore
>>151310395Nope lmao people are already being very mean to Charlie for being a stupid fuck, characters like this get even worse treatment when they are boys
>>151311282Lute loves her fat doomer
>>151311922If Lute falls, then she would overfill the hotel with violent kids, including Abel. No. No.
>>151310395Are you retarded browns this hypocritical and pathetic?>I can't fuck Charlie cause she's a woman. >:( I cant' understand her beauty she's a woman >:( but oh that moth la creatura is perfectly fine.CHANGE THAT FUCKING PAJEETA THIS INSTANT. Vaggie even if you turned him into a man would still be one ugly son of a bitch. God that bitch is so fucking ugly for an angel, there's nothing angelic about her.>>151311012Rule63 looks like her creepy bastard uncle.
is this another seethe thread over chaggie being a lesbian relationship?
>>151314456Vaggie a hottie. Adam made her that way.
>>151314456No. We would prefer if one of them was a man cause it will make the pair more attractive.
>>151310955Smiley frens Pim worked
>>151314546It sounds like to me you hate the idea of babies getting made.
>>151310395Have Vaggie be male and call him Dick. Make him be the brooding, protective knight who's a voice of reason for Charlie.
>>151315189>making babies>in cartoon demon hellyeah sure whatever
>>151310395Well, Vivzie would have cared about writing him, at least.
>>151315243Then have him shave his head and change his name to ric after getting amnesia.
>>151311423I'd argue that no small part of it is that it appeals to her fetishes. There are no shortage of gay couples in modern media, but with most of them, you can smell of the checkboxes they're meant to fill. Vivzie gets off on it, and it leads her to flesh out the characters to fill the specific roles. It's not virtue signalling, but genuine passion born from vice. No corporate mandates, just a fetish for men dating.If she wasn't like that, everything would be on about the level of the Charlie and Vaggie stuff, where she clearly doesn't care. People would still watch it, probably, but they wouldn't go nuts like they do now, because there'd be no passion.
>>151312259tv cause televangelist, shark cause scammer maybe?the real answer is because he was designed by a coombrained, tumblr raised female whose idea of attractive is beyond sane comprehension
>>151310395>You reckon this show would've worked that bit better had Charlie been a boy?Nah, Vaggie should be the boy.
>>151310955Charlie would show compassion differently, but I can expect he'd still be a busybody who throws his figurative dick into everything and never even really considers how likely it is to blow up on himself or others. Think more 'gallant prince but also a wimpy bitch', than 'beautiful princess but also a womanchild'.Wait, that's just young Lucifer. Which is perfect. It's funnier and more poignant than this softball conflict they're going for.
>>151310959You asked this already.
>>151311012cute fanart
My cute little racist TV will be annihilated soon, say something nice to him
If this is gonna be the thread, the runtime for episode 8 is 38 minutes
>>151318068It will be hilarious when he gets dog walked by Abel
>>151318096Was the Season 1 finale extended as well? Because if not, uhh we should be prepared for something big because that's nearly a 10 minute increase, I.E. more than a third of the average episode length
>>151318269No, every episode in S1 was the same runtime. It's why the angel fight was so rushed.
If Rosie is lilith then who is that woman in chilling on heaven's beaches
>>151318396Eve
>>151310395Then the feminists would complain about Vaggie being a trophy girlfriend
>>151315243>Have Vaggie be male and call him Dick.Nah too simple for Viv. Have his formal name be "Dickenson" and his nickname be "Dickie". In this way, Viv could plug Charles Dickens as one of her writing inspirations or studies via wordplay.Is/was she inspired by Dickens? Hell if I know. I'm just being silly and applying alt reality what-ifs here.
>>151318169omfg I hate Abel so much, I would rather have Alastard's annoying ass kill Vox
>>151318455I want Charles to top me gently.
>>151310395how does death actually work in this show?they make a big deal out of everyone actually dying when killed by angelic weapons but what happened to everyone who committed sodoku when they saw zestial? or the woman vox fed to her shark
>>151318479They just respawn
>>151318498I would rather just get killed by angelic steel than respawn in gay furry hell
>>151318459The only two people who should defeat Vox are Charlie or Alastor; anyone else defeating Vox would be terrible from a narrative perspective.
>>151310850More like RED FAG amirite??
>>151310395Would've been the same. With MORE daddy issues.
you are buying baxter stocks before his inevitable heavy role in vox's defeat on wednesday, right?
>>151310395Yeah, but making "jesus" a man would have been too on the nose.
>>151318326Welp, expectations are now raised for this one.
>>151310395Not really. Charlie’s a bit of a riff on the Disney princess type character. That connection becomes a lot harder to make if you flip her gender and make her male. The show would probably be improved if Vaggie were a boy, though. Chaggie is just a really awful ship, and one quick and easy way to fix it somewhat would be to make it hetero.
>>151310395Chaggie should remain as it isAlastor and Angel Dust should be straight
>>151319128So much of Angel’s character is tied to him being gay that I can think of several different ways to make him straight while preserving other aspects of his character in an altered form.So, how would you do it?
>>151315577Charlie wouldn’t exist without that game mechanic.
>>151319196Female Angel Dust
>>151319252that's cool but they wouldn't show cock in pussy sex on the cartoon
>>151319252so does carmilla have kids from before she died or after?
>>151319261Lazy.
>>151319270They're either adopted (in Hell) or the family died together.
If vox doesn't die in the finale, then how the fuck do they resolve his hypnotist of angel? Hope they sang the issue away for ever?
>>151319346Charlie's going to sing a song that breaks the hypnosis on the Sinners (and everyone will join in) to setup her having inherited Lilith's powers. Angel leaves the Hotel out of guilt. Cue season 3.
>>151310901A big problem with rule 63ing female to male is they usually just want like, the femboy version.>>151310842>>151310625The real reason that Charlie doesn't work as a dude is because most guys who have those kinds of unresolved parental issues very rarely give a shit about reconnecting to begin with. They reach boiling point a lot quicker
>>151319270>>151319293She’s a fallen angel, so I don’t know.
>>151315669Yeah I mean there’s a reason why all the Charlie x Vaggie scenes and songs are boring. Very little effort is put into them.
>>151319445when shes revealed to be a brown drug dealer in life instead will you cry and shit?
>>151319359But just bc she broke the current hypnotist doesnt mean he cant hypnotize again
>>151319584She’s unlikely to be human in the slightest. She talks about Heaven like she used to be there.
>>151319882carmilla being of angelic origin has seemed pretty obvious since season 1
>overlords named prick and hatchet>one is a cactus>the other one throws bladed weapons>it's knives
Is there a even one single heterosexual character in this show?
>>151320337Well... Lucifer? Adam?
>>151320348Wasn't Lucifer confirmed bi recently or something?
Shoving Lute aside to be season 3 bait feels like such a waste. They really couldn't include her in this story of heaven and hell being pushed to war?
>>151320337Nifty
>>151311020I feel like the overall plot is fine but the execution is fucking bad, and there's way too many non-diagetic songs leaving too little time for every other actual plot relevant scene
>>151320337Everyone's pan until the character declares otherwise.
>>151311020>Retconsname one
>>151310395where is Michael the Taxiarch
>>151310395>buy some hazbin hotel plushies off of hot topics website>originally they were meant to be delivered last friday>then they delayed to today>now theyre delayed yet again till tomorrowWhy are these cock suckers so fucking shit and lazy? Why did every single place that ships items become the laziest pack of retards on the face of the earth? I want to kill something with my bare hands right now
>>151320890I wanna see michael get sodomized by satan on this show while his wings are getting ripped off
>>151321486Settle down, Viv
>>151318068Just listened to the German dub and he literally refers to Val's "taco sprache", I love him so much
>>151318459How can you possibly hate Abel
>>151318514Dying to Angelic Steel doesn't grant you sweet release, instead of reconstitution you meld with the scenery, that's why there's eyes everywhere in hell.
>>151321581Is that still canon or will viv retcon that?
>>151321581So, what happens to people eaten by cannibals?
>>151320890the show is inaccurate to the bible little hoggie
>>151315243That'd actually make me like their relationship. Put him in some cool armor too
The roleplaying corners of this fandumb are a special kind of toxic, man. I'll never understand why some people treat this shit like a replacement for a successful real life.
>>151320438Lute doesn’t provoke wars. She is the one used for war. Even in Sera’s song, Lute is portrayed that way.
>>151321454>"they delayed my 12 adam plushies AGAIN??">picks up her spear and goes to the hot topic HQ (located in hell)
>>151321952>I'll never understand why some people treat this shit like a replacement for a successful real life.Not into RP shit but life is so bleak currently that its hard to make friends outside of discord kitten servers so thats why i guess those roleplay shenanigans are so popular
>>151321952>>151322020It is not better outside of this fandom anyway. I imagine maybe some Warhammer guys are a bit more reasonable but I doubt it. Obsessing over stuff is already omega faggotry
>>151320337Niffty, Millie and Vortex.
>>151322049Im more speaking on the current state of society. Hazbin hotel is literally one of the only good things left currently media wise for me and the current shituation makes it hard to even go outside of the internet to fraternize with folksAlso nice sexy marco image btw
They shouldn't have made this show a musical. It was unsalvageable from the start.
>>151321718It's a shitty experience
>>151322153Yeah they should have made it live action too cartoons are for dumb baby retards
>>151311210>calling him Dick would sound less retarded than fucking vagina
Has anyone watched the Broadway performance yet? I saw clips of the cosplayers in the audience and it made me cringe so hard but I wonder if the actual show was good.
>>151322314The broadways out already? Didnt they just announce it tho?
>>151322210Breaking into a song every single time something minor happens is stupid.
>>151322433Yeah, a recording of it went up on Amazon today I beleive
>>151322314Ugh.
>>151323098I dont know why they dont just adapt s1 into a broadway musical at this point
>>151323073Ill check it out later then
>>151322314The entire show works as one big cringe broadway show, I don’t see the issue
>>151315243
>>151310395Charlie would have been hotter if Vaggie was just a loyal friend to her with no romantic attraction and she was heterosexual like a proper woman.
>>151323419Charlie would be sexier if she actually did something useful. It's amazing how, despite being the protagonist, she feels like one of the least relevant characters in the story. In the first season, she barely did anything, and Alastor had to take her to Rosie to get the army, only for Lucifer to defeat Adam in the end. And now this season, she hasn't done anything but make things worse, while it's Vox and Alastor who are moving the plot forward.
>>151323419For an alleged bisexual vivziepop sure does struggle to write a compelling lesbian couple. It really does feel like they are just friends a majority of the time.
>>151310395Ideally Charlie and Vagie should both be boys. But yes Charlie would be more interesting as a boy.
>>151323098>>151322314https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgR40cUyhB0 Here's a link I found. Won't last long probably. The singers are obviously good, but the crowd interactions will be up to personal preference. Personally, I thought it was fun how the crowd played into the songs. I kind of hope they do one for season 2 because Vox Populi would be great if the audience could sing the ensemble parts. They didn't know the words yet.
>>151323575Christian Borle and Jeremy Jordan absolutely mog Amir Talai's singing voice
>>151323575 that rosie cosplay hot
Since Inuyasha and sesshomaru are dog demons, do you think he knows Loona, Charlie, Tex, and the other hellhounds and dog demons in the Hellaverse?
>>151323798
>>151323800>Inuyasha and sesshomaruCultured anon
>>151323575>raise your fist and make some noisekek based fuhrer
>>151323820Do you think Inuyasha ever went to the Hazbin Hotel looking for Kikyo after she died and went to Hell?
>>151323820I lowkey miss when that was popular. I know I'm telegraphing my age but there were 2 ways I identified a woman I was interested in dating when I was an adolescent back in the mid-aughts. One was that she wore Tripp pants, the other was that she was a Sesshomaru stan.
>>151323575Okay, I expected to cringe through it but that was oddly wholesome. aww. Also I think I have a crush on Christian Borle now
Do you think he'll rape Vox once his chains are off?
>>151323920Rape is more of a Valentino behavior. Lucifer wouldn't degrade himself so.
Why is Helluva's music so much more ass than even the worst of Hazbin?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1p-A1xJFW8
>>151323962Hazbin has some decent songs, they just feel really out of place. Like "oh, here's a traumatic violent rape scene, now let's sing and dance!" or "here's people talking candidly about fantasy racism and genocide, now let's have a cheery sing-a-long!"
>>151323920>his chains are off?Will they be?
>>151324012In Season 3
Man, did anyone else forget the live rendition of Gravity felt kind of limp? Obviously all the Broadway versions sound different but man, it really was lacking the bitterness, and no Brightman definitely didn't help
>Lucifer could’ve been meant to be Sera’s lover till he cheated on her with Lilith Oh oh oh… That’s somehow even worse than Lute and Abel. And if true, that will drive her insane.
>>151324070Did the Broadway adaptation write in an ending to the whole thing? If so, how did they end it?
>>151324086>Emily has Charlie’s personality >Has Lucifer’s duck wings>Lucifer and Emily have similar monster forms This is so fucked.
>>151324120It wasn't a full adaptation, just a one night deal featuring stage renditions of a handful of songs performed by the cast. It came just before s2, but includes Vox Populi, Piss, and Hear my Hope early (relative to when it happened) which I personally didn't listen to to avoid spoilers
>>151323800There's a few hundred years separating them my dude
>>151323962I liked the juggling one
>>151323987That's actually how musicals are meant to work
>>151323962Mastermind, Look my Way, House of Asmodeus, and Juggling iz Cool are all fun songs off the top of my head
>>151323987you described every music yeah LOL
>>151324290Helluva Boss is Insane Clown Posse: The Anime
Lucifer and the Sins holding hands and being forced to sing Hear My Hope as a bonding exercise
>>151323987Well, it's not like it can't work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnM1uHhsOI
>>151323575There are so many fat people on the crowd, even if you take into account its america and hazbin fans.
>>151324354thats the average hazbin fujo
>>151324361Depression, Lexapro, and Dubai Chocolate are a trifecta of risks for becoming an obese Elder Emo.
>>151324354Well, Vivziepop does know how to appeal to herself.
FILL MY HOLES
>>151324387I remember when Yaoi Paddles were a big thing at anime conventions. Fujo women would walk around the convention slapping attractive male cosplayers with them and saying "I hit you with the yaoi paddle, now you have to kiss a dude!"
>>151324411And now they're banned everywhere lol
>>151324420Another trend at the time was Consent Tentacles or Consent Tentacles. Women at anime cons would go around with puppeteered tentacles saying "can I consensually tentacle rape you with my consentacles?"
>>151324434I meant consent tentacles or consentacles lol
>>151324012Doubtful. I feel like his arc is more likely to be reframing his "punishment" and getting more invested in all of his people, Sinners included. And on that note if he does go the route of getting someone else to smite for him, it'd probably be a semi villain arc for him and put him at odds with Charlie.
>>151323475Its not that they can't, its that they are so retarded they won't.
>>151324411Alas, those halcyon days of assault are no more.
r/animecons•6mo agoNo_Sprinkles_1788Yaoi paddle (yes really)QuestionStupid question I know, but I have a Yaoi paddle who's near and dear to my heart. Made her a couple weeks ago and I really wanna take it to a con
>>151324539kino loldrandom username too
Did the whole deal with Amazon allowing Hazbin and Helluva characters to cross over go through early enough for any Goetia to make an appearance this season, or do we need to wait for Season 3 to see Lucifer interact with any of the Helluva cast?
>>151324621I think so.Both productions are still going on that at least helluva boss will involve it.
>>151324510There also used to be a tradition at DragonCon of women finding men wearing utili-kilts and upskirting them with leaf blowers. The Golden Age of Sex Assault indeed.
How degenerate are the voice actors in real life? They seem like terrible people who are just friends with the creator.
>>151324701I think it would be pretty fun to get sucked and fucked by Brandon Rodgers. I'm sure a few of his fans have at conventions.
season 3 original sound track- angel dust leaving hotel song- angel dust family reunion song- angel dust dad abuse song- lilith is a bad mom song- lucifer sad song- angel dust stands up to dad song- angel dust stands up to val song- angel dust x husk gay redemption song- lilith master plan reveal song- angel dust miss husk gay heaven song ft molly
>>151324434okay this is actually hilarious
>>151320756>name oneThe king of hell is not actually king of anything because he can't do anything.
>>151324770he rules over hellborn who can do things for himgoetia under his commandthe sins like him
>>151324770He can level any sin or goetia or regular hellborn in a fight, therefore he is the king. Hell is not just the pride ring. The pride ring is his personal punishment, but the rest of hell exists in many more rings where his influence would matter (and they seem to even want him to return based on the gifts)
>>151324701For Hazbin, they're mostly just professional theater people, annoying but harmless. Christian Borle stays out of the spotlight and doesn't engage with social media (good for him), Erika seems like a typical sweet but obnoxious musical theater girl, Blake Roman is an attention whore, Amir Talai is an insufferable "male feminist" who tweets about Trump and Palestine/LGBTQ+ stuff a lot.
>>151324770what >>151324794SaidHes liteeally potentialman king
>>151324794>any sin or goetia or regular hellborn in a fight,None of those are things that exist in Hazbin Hotel.
Any chances we get more than 8 episodes in s3?Pacing is shit
>>151310395How would you feel if in the next season they reveal that Charlie is right that Lilith the mother of all demons was actually good and never wanted war with Heaven? The notion that Lilith is good and innocent is utterly disgusting. They already made Lucifer a Didn't Do Nothing Wrong type of character. And now all that's left is to present Lilith as being fully innocent. Maybe they will show the "real" flashback showing Adam as a bossy controlling twat in Season 3.
>>151324852That's not s bad. What is bad is, the raw story concept and the writing quality itself.
>>151324701All modern voice actors are subhuman shit especially the ones from the illumination Mario Bros movie.This is exactly why I hope ai completely takes over. I don't care if the performance isn't perfect I just want these shitty people to NOT have a job anymore. And don't bother saying anything to defend them, they are shit and deserve to be hated and left with no avenue to pay their bills. Lord knows they hate everyone else so it's only loving and fair that me LOATHE them and wish them ill right back. I hope Viv dies horrifically like Dick Cheney died recently.
>>151324850They do thoughAmazon owns helluva nowThey made the crossover teaserthey will exist eitherlucifer in helluvaor goetia and sins in hazbinor both.
>>151324928Neat
>>151324804another reason to like vox: his voice actor isn't an obnoxious virtue signaller
>>151324928It's still a gay retcon to make the king of hell be unable to torment the damned over whom he supposedly rules in his kingdom. Be real, it was the best excuse that the hack writers could come up with to keep him on the sidelines.
>>151324928Amazon doesn't own Helluva Boss but rather deals have been made for future seasons to have the option of crossovers. The same way guest characters deals like Steve from Minecraft in Smash takes YEARS to clear through it's the same type of affair here.
>>151324860I find it mad how people want Adam and Lute to be fallen so badly when Charlie’s family are the screw ups that massively driven those guys into pure madness in the first place. Knowing the Rosie/Lilith twist, they’re even more despicable by risking their only daughter’s life. And completely downplaying Adam’s death when it happens because of their own actions. It’s the most toxic and selfish thing ever.
>>151324973No matter how you slice it Hazbin Hotel has officially created the WORST version of the Devil. For crying out loud I will take the recent Lucifer series that ended like two years ago over the Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel.And it's amazing how even old cartoons like Power Puff Girls and Cow & Chicken have better representations of the devil. And don't say "They're not the Devil they are Him and Red Guy!" Shut up, just shut the fuck up. Even recent cartoons like Cuphead have a better grip on the Devil to the point he's presented as the best character in that horrible show.
>>151324918Kill yourself
>>151325031>the devil not wanting to destroy his favorite toys in one gofits and is a better reason than>ummmmm the devil just cant, okay
>>151325031the cow and chicken and powerpuff girls devils are comedic (C&C's devil is retarded) and not meant to be taken seriously unlike Vivzie's
>>151324973its not a retcon since if was neverever stated he COULD harm sinnerscall it bad writing but you misuse retcon
I wish more musical shows were around. Still mad at Galavant ending when it did.
>>151325077I actually have no problems with Eve in this show. She’s the symbol of a horrible unredeemable toxic narcissist. A massive sink cost abusive relationship Adam got stuck on. The kind of person Lucifer and Lilith 100% deserve to be stuck with forever and ever.
>>151325128Why would any of them say he is the king of hell if he has no power of any kind to do anything to any of them? Its a lame retroactive change which completely gutted the setup established in season 1.
>>151325235Otherwise he will just end the show there and I smell a subplot
>>151325153Lucifer in this show is the kind of terrible person that is more grounded in our reality. Especially in that scene of him bragging about his adultery to Adam. He’s the kind of person that points out that others are bad and doesn’t feel bad of his own actions unless Lilith and Charlie call him out on it.It’s shocking to me that no one realizes this about him at all.
>>151325235>Why would any of them say he is the king of hell if he has no power of any kind to do anything to any of them?Where are people getting this from?? Lucifer can't hurt SINNERS. Nobody said anything about him not being able to touch Hellborn or the Sins.
So wait it was revealed this season Lucifer cant kill sinners? Why? Why is Hell only Hell for him meanwhile Alastor can kill anyone he wants and its a funhouse?
>>151325271Well yeah… she’s that wish Lucifer and Lilith desired fulfilled.
>>151325295Hell is meant to be Lucifer's prison so him not being able to leave or do anything about Sinners, who are the consequences of his actions, makes sense.>meanwhile Alastor can kill anyone he wants and its a funhouse?Well we might find out
>>151325295They a Satan who is all about I suspect this goofy dad who likes rubber ducks made some weird pact to not harm people
>>151325235Because... He can beat sins and hellborn and goetia and everything else besides sinners??The sinners do not give a fuck about himThey cared about Lilith because she did her rebellion thingFor all we know nobody ever respected Lucifer even when they believed he could hurt them because he never did anything anywaysAt most cannibal town has statues because he IS their king as hellborn.The sinners seem to treat lucifer as about how youd treat the king of england. shes definitely 'the king' but it doesnt impact them anymore without lilith.
Spirit Halloween looking mfer better turn out to be Cain
>>151325340Charlie is mad because she’s trying to ease down her bad reputation as much as possible.
>>151325340Lucifer was said to ALWAYS be goofy by Viv even in the pilotCharlie just has brainrot from being neglected for seven years But he doesnt hate her or her idea he just doesnt like sinners because he cant do shit anout them, theyre fucked up
>>151325362He will. Season 3 is drama town for everyone. And because it’s a Lucifer season, Sera will be the biggest hater in it.
>>151325295I wonder if the sins or ars goetias can hurt sinners
>>151325383What makes Lucifers punishment so fitting is that he is pride. And he is forced to get trolled by sinners constantly and he can't harm them physically like he wants to. He would have killed Alastor by now if he could.
>>151311005She should have smited vox the second he "declared holy war", but I guess she was still shooked up when she realized souls could still have been saved
>>151325383And if the Eve thing is true, Charlie was likely fed lies about Lucifer. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a callback to that phone call in season 3 where Charlie confronts Lucifer over calling her a disappointment and he's like wtf I never said that.
>>151325414Well is solomon's law>>151325340To me him like anyone on this show just does whatever they want and have no redeming objectivesWhy Charlie is such and outcast
>>151325436Sera only had Abel, Emily, and Lute with her and didn’t prepare ahead of time to have an army attack them. And even if she wanted to, Lucifer can harm her right then and there.
>>151325478The sinners live in their own location and can’t interfere with others.Plus, some sins probably love them for their chaos.
>>151320337Every character in heaven is straight every character in hell is gay. Whats not to get anon
>>151325513>Every character in heaven is straightPentious is bi
>>151325543Weird shipping with egg boys
>>151325463Charlie is an outcast because the Morningstar royalty currently means absolutely nothing to sinnersIf she went to the other rings she'd be more respected for sure
>>151325478humans and sinners are not the same entities
>Season 3 will have Adam/Abel flashbacks for Emily/Sera to reveal to Lute and Abel.
>>151325593She has to be the nicest person in hell, that makes her look seriously out of place
I keep forgetting that Alex Brightman is both Adam AND Pentious
>>151325543He probably got raped a few times by some fags when he first got into hell so hes probably desensitized to it, but hes still chasing after a woman
>>151325697also wtf, they did a live broadway performance and he wasn't there?
>>151325362Leave Zestial alone please, he's doing just fine as a side character and his relationship with Carmilla. I prefer if he didn't get roped into the lame political soap drama that is the main plot right now.Also it's very obvious he's meant to be from the medieval era, don't know how that dumb theory even proliferated.
>>151325706I assume is imps work to pitchfork sinners and just went out of style
>>151325746Their argument is "but for other reason did Viv make him so old?" as if there aren't a lot of other possible answers besides "well he's Cain".
>>151324701It's just a job. They know how to keep it professional.
>>151325764If I recall my bible Cain was cursed to walk the earth with a mark always found that interesting
>>151324918Least schizophrenic aindian
>>151325791But Zestial doesn't have a mark (those are just his eyes) and we know nothing about him besides he's old and gets along with Carmella and Alastor.
>>151325764>Never mind how he speaks is similar to KJV Cain>The skulls in his room themed to relate him with death>His farmers hat (Cain is a farmer)>The skull on his farmer’s hat implying murder >His hat covers up his forehead>Doesn’t want to wage war against heaven (God)You are so disingenuous it’s incredible.
>>151324918t. this guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQxY4-1I4lo
>>151325808Zestial and Overlord protections (Vox).
>>151325829The mark will be located above his eyes. Where his hat is.
>>151325808She has a delivery service
Season 3 is going to be a faggot roller coaster per Vivzie, are you ready?
>>151325933Lives in a pinneaple under the seaVivie zo op!
>>151325933I wonder if Emily will be the one that helps Lute and Abel to calm down as Sera makes everything worse.
>>151324720Please no, i can't handle a angel focused season, i might actually drop this show.... actually it might be for the best.
>>151325991I only see Angel having a few scenes and episodes like in this season.
>>151325991Alastor is the entire reason I watch the show, any episode without him is a slog
>>151326000hes getting his family voiced by vas viv is excited abouthes leaving the hotel according to leaks (and explains why hes not in the finale songs)dont get your hopes up bro hes 100% having a focus
>>151326027I know it has a focus… but this season, Molly and Adam are going to the plot devices meant to parallel Angel, Lute, and Abel.
>>151325836I'm going to laugh at you when it we get introduced to Cain next season and he isn't Zestial. His hat covers up his forehead?? Fuck outta here you moron.
>>151325764Fanart like this makes me wish so badly that this show chilled the fuck out. I really think the crew should've stuck to their guns with a more lighthearted rhomp even with only 8 episodes for the first two seasons; hell maybe season 2 being the one to end with a redemption and a tiny hint of Heaven would've been far more impactful after all the antics- and a more solid foundation to work off of at least.Perhaps it would've had a more forgiving reception if they didn't feel the need to bum rush things to get to the "cool" stuff that suffocated everything else. Though despite Amazon's ridiculous demand(s) I'm not sure if they would've gotten picked up by anyone else otherwise.Imagine the Overlords actually getting some proper spotlight for them and their minions.. or the hotel actually being relevant.
>>151326089Viv wanted 22-episode seasons so now I think she's hoping on spinoffs to fill in the gaps. There would definitely be room to explore the Overlords if the Vee spinoff happened.
>>151326070Does Zestial sound like a normal name to you?
>>151325808Because going after the one person with heavenly/arms with force is a one way ticket to your own personal extermination?
>>151326127>guy changed his name in the show where everyone changed their nameswow
>>151326115> so now I think she's hoping on spinoffs to fill in the gaps.Like Helluva Boss?
>>151323798>>151323813For me it was the cute Lute and Emily cosplayers.
I’m scared about the Emily x Alastor leak being real.
>>151311020each episode feels like i'm watching an anthology seriessome songs are neat but most of the time i'm bemused at the lack of connective tissue between any of the scenes, we go from A to G to H to B and are expected to roll with new ideas thrown out like nothing, and the show continues to dance around following through on the set ups to this season in the first placeyou're telling me we're almost entirely through the season and STILL no resolution on lillith? or any kind of culmination on that shit lute was talking on gravity?
>>151326265> or any kind of culmination on that shit lute was talking on gravity?Abel wanting revenge too.Sera eventually going to use Abel and Lute to smite hell.
>>151326284slightly unrelated, but i think the biggest fumble of vivienne's writing career has to be revealing redemption at the end of the 1st seasonclearly, clearly, she didn't want to run with that idea over a heaven/hell war, so setting it up now just has it loom over my patience and suspension of disbelief like a double-edged sword of damoclesthere's a better hazbin hotel in another timeline that hides the consequences of pentious' sacrifice for longer than 10 minutes, where the question of whether the hotel is a lost cause is something the audience has time to grapple with before we get inundated with this pseudo-intrigue about how it works
Here’s my bet>After Abel died, Cain took his girl with him>Having kids with her that should’ve been his>Abel waited for his mother to come to Heaven and she never did>Adam was there but he distanced himself from Abel and others>Emily and Lute are there to fill in the void he feels in the inside. But he will not realize this till later.
>>151326366>has it loom over my patience and suspension of disbelief like a double-edged sword of damoclesWhat, exactly, do you think "sword of Damocles" means?
>>151326390>Welcome to Heaven had Abel show Pentious around pets, fun activities, and materialism because Abel and Pentious have no one there for them.Well that increases the context.
Why is the Adam / Abel line fat? Is Cain going to be a fat fuck too??
Based off of Zestial's vaguely religious-sounding name, him being from the 16th/17th century, how he dresses and now his spying powers I thought it was obvious he was like a witch-hunter who killed innocent people. Doesn't give off Cain vibes at all.
>>151311020I want the pilot characters back, they felt like actual people who had lives before they went to hell.
>>151326445Cain is a creepy bat spider dude. Having the time of his life.My guess as to why Adam and Abel are fat. They are actually severely depressed in heaven and supplement their lost/broken relationships with food. While Emily thinks its normal because she has always been there.
>>151326511emily is fat soon too in season 3
>>151326445I hope so
>>151326508You mean loona, blitzo and moxie?
>>151326265>STILL no resolution on lillith? or any kind of culmination on that shit lute was talking on gravity?eh, they did this in season 1 too with Vox/Alastorthey literally just had an epic rap battle of history and then left each other alone until season 2Lute singing Gravity is Season 3 setup probably
>>151326468Trying to define someone by how they dress is a really stupid idea in Hazbin hotel.Lucifer is older than him and he wears more modernized clothing.
>>151326468Ooh that's actually a really neat concept, the mental image I had was that of some kind of reigning sovereign akin to Vlad the Impaler; but a witch hunter/inquisitor is a much more clever and interesting direction. The irony of becoming some sort of 'witchy' looking being himself in death would fit that too.
>>151326547>you can't argue that the guy who speaks in cliche ye olde English and dresses like he's from that era is actually from that era, but he's totally Cain because we can't see his foreheadDude come on. Also Lucifer isn't a Sinner. Clearly how most of the main cast dresses is indicative of the era they're from. Pentious dresses like a Victorian steampunk guy and surprise, he was from the Victorian era. Niffty wore a poodle skirt and was confirmed to have died in the 1950s. Cherri's from the 1980s and dresses like it. We can go on.
>>151326535I think Sera’s confession is severely over-looked on this subject since it paints the exterminations being enabled only if Sera wants them to. That ultimately, Sera is not actually listening and accepting the Speaker’s message (talking with your own, aka Emily, who wants to help Lute and Abel).
>>151326468It would be cool if he was Walsingham or Christopher Marlowe, but I don't think Viv thinks the lore through enough to do something that fun.
>>151326511>Cain is a creepy bat spider dudeI'm sure if you keep repeating a theory you're fixated on enough times it'll magically become true.
>>151326634Do you expect Cain to wear animal skins or something?
>>151326523Reminds me of a guy I fucked at Chub Night at the local gay bathhouse.
>>151326651This is one of my favorite frames in the entire series. Not a braincell between the two of them.
>>151326651It’s the best guess and wouldn’t be surprising when it’s revealed. I mainly think about it in a drama perspective if Vivziepop wants Carmilla’s life to be a personal issue.
Zestial is going to be the ultimate long-term winner of the show by virtue of doing absolutely nothing and sitting out every single major plot event That's how you win when everybody around you is an actual retard
>>151326658Look if you want to believe he's Cain then do whatever turns you on, but you can't say his design only fits your theory when it reflects a common theme across all of the main Sinners in the story.
>Charlie learns that Lilith 100% cause wars and betrayed Adam with them >This makes her feel bad and wish she can do something to fix it. Rosie (Lilith) just happens offer to her Adam’s body, and Baxter grins at the thought of bringing it to life.
>>151326743>Rosie is Lilith>Adam coming back but being in hell>Baxter being relevantyes I'm sure you're very excited about your fanfiction but do try to restrain yourself
>>151326651>"I am so spooky!" Seriously, who writes this shit?
>>151326756Doesn't Baxter exist solely as an homage to Dexter's Laboratory?
>>151326723Zestial is too weird from the other sinners in the show and in his relationship with Carmilla implies that Sera, Lute, and Abel will come down there to kill her and dismantle her weapons market for good.The only thing consistent about Zestial and Carmilla to me is their breaking of the norms. That I have no idea what’s going with them at all.
>>151326424look it's a messy reference but the point is I'm exasperated that it was this show that got my interest and loyalty, when at any moment it could dash my hopes of getting better and ruin my weekthere's nothing like it, and that's a shame, we could use more animated adult shows in the spirit of Hazbin>just stop watching theni can't, not until i see how it ends
>>151326792Do we know if Zestial is actually weird because he is or is it because he's the only Overlord from before a specific point in time left so he only seems that way to newer Overlords
The other Overlords are honestly not very impressive at all I hope Alastor kills the majority of them once he's back on top
>>151326827With Alastor looking at him with caution without a broken staff, Zestial pretty much living in tiny spaces like a vagabond despite his inherent power, he is really weird.
>>151324804This nigga is destined for metoo allegations
>>151326866>>151326792Zestial has Demon Asperger's?
>>151326882Zestial didn't want an ipad
>>151326828Even now, everyone but Camilla are just backup dancers in musical numbers. Going into Season 2 I only remembered the dinosaur and Zestial and that's because Respectless slapped.
>>151326866He's Potentialman
>>151326827I think Zestial really just exists as a worldbuilding device. Since so much of the Overlord stuff is about how there are new ambitious up-and-comers popping up "more and more recently", you need a guy like Zestial there just to show how the Old Guard operated Far more ancient, patient, powerful and respected but doesn't go around using it to push agendas, just quietly accumulating his power like he's probably done for hundreds if not thousands of yearsYou basically need him there for "Respectless" to go over and have the same impact He's a fun character and I like the intrigue of his relationship with Carmilla, but I really do think his purpose doesn't go much beyond>We need at least one super-ancient OG Overlord just so people have a comparison-point for everyone else
>>151326917He's the Hell equivalent of an elderly retired politician who hasn't had an original thought in years but who still gets hired as a "consultant" for meetings and conferences just to remind you you're somewhere important.
>>151326946kek, apt analogyhe really is like one of those senators who's in their 80s and you kind of wonder>you really wanna still be doing this shit? Aren't you gonna retire?
>>151326973John MacArthur said no.
>>151326973He probably thinks like they do in that if he retired he'd turn into sand like an amused building inspector.
SEX WITH CHARLIE
I wonder if Emily becomes personally involved in the Adam drama for Abel and Lute while Charlie helps out Angel Dust.
>>151326258Me too, anon. Me too.
>>151327092>Because of this, Abel and Lute trust Emily a lot more>Alastor uses this to weaken the military of Heaven
So having a site that keeps tabs on what vivzie likes and says on bluesky. It is confirmed she outright doesnt see lucifer as bad, he was "fighting an unjust system". I guess the rapists in hell were misunderstood then too.
>>151327133I wonder how sad it will actually be if Lute and Abel were helped up by her in season 3 to get over their grudges and pain, and she turns on them for a deer boy.
>>151326762This person. Makes sense now, right? Not to mention"I said no and now he's pissy, THAT'S the tea!"-Alastor
>>151327146I think what’s actually being talked about here are the lower angels and winners thing, and wanting them to be brought higher. Since Sera cares about Emily so much, but doesn’t flinch at all from dead exorcist, Adam’s death, or Lute’s agony, only Emily does.
>>151327162Yellow?
>>151327146>So having a site that keeps tabs on what vivzie likes and says on bluesky.Sorry but this makes it sound like it's hard to see what she's saying. I check on it like every other day and most of the time she doesn't say anything interesting. Also not to defend Viv but you're taking one sentence out of context>When approaching Lucifer I wanted to lean into the Fallen Angel side of him. He wasn't a bad guy, he was a dreamer who fell in love and defied an unjust system. He isn't a tyrannical evil ruler, he's a cosmic being trapped in what is considered his greatest mistake. He was beautiful and prideful!and>Also- while Lucifer is by all accounts "the devil" from "da bible"... that doesn't mean he is reaaally .. THE DEVIL in Hazbin Hotel. At least by my own personal definition. cuz I do feel like the concept of 'the devil' is... a bad guy lolShe's just explaining the show's interpretation of Lucifer and to emphasize that he doesn't actually *fit in* with Hell, she's not saying she thinks that it's the right one.
In a hypothetical Male Charlie timeline should Lucifer and Lilith be gender bent with new designs or should they keep the designs and just switch which is which.
the "i am so spooky" line fits with lucifer though , hes a retard
What did Lucifer do that's so bad anyway.
>>151327234fucked adams wives
>>151327234accidentally introduced the very concept of Evil itself into the world
>>151327217The entire song is silly and tryhard on purpose. I don't know why that line is the sticking point.
>>151327264>>151327217>....ding ding
>>151327146I think it's been very obvious that she doesn't see her Lucifer as a bad guy without her saying so. What's the surprise here?
>>151327255Wouldn't that be Lilith?
>>151327285Literally can't exist for more than 10 seconds without being lame at some point.
>>151327146>become a serial rapist cause you need sex >be sent to hell >get to bang brothel women for dirt cheap prices for eternity That's what winning looks like
>>151327382seems like a self insert femcel ship
>>151327390
>>151327391femcels are real and they're scarier than anything you can imagine
>>151327390Alastor wouldn't do anything Vaggie did in Easy
>>151327402
>>151327402You mean ones that never had sex?
>>151327205So just vindicating me, hes a dreamer, hes pretty, he doesn't fit in when he more than anyone else belongs for having so much pride to defy god himself.
>>151327436You seem to think he was fighting on behalf of the rapists in Hell
>>151327436he hates sinners as much as god thoughhe just cant do anything to them
>>151327428which divorced dad facebook support group did you pull this one from
>>151327461And that hasn't been explained? So we have a hell where lucifer is a prisoner but its a paradise for the evil? That kinda ass.
>>151327494>hell where lucifer is a prisoneryeah? thats literally what hell is in the actual bible
>>151327431No he means femcels women denied carnality for any reason, they are ok mean at worst, just like incels just misunderstood peopleI was thinking, what if angel dust sin was sodomy and charlie knows it
>>151327506There are gay people in Heaven so I doubt it
>>151327500Real life lore is boring to them, anon.
>>151327205>>Also- while Lucifer is by all accounts "the devil" from "da bible"... that doesn't mean he is reaaally .. THE DEVIL in Hazbin Hotel. At least by my own personal definition. cuz I do feel like the concept of 'the devil' is... a bad guy lolwas talking with a friend of mine back when S1 came out and he said something I found hilarious and has kind of stuck with meit was during Alastor and Lucifer's back-and-forth number, he was like>OK can they just let this guy (Alastor) be Satan already?
>>151327494>its a paradise for the evil?paradise? Unless you're an extremely powerful overlord, Hell fucking sucks for everybody elsehow do you miss the fact that every sinner is constantly complaining about how much hell sucks?
>>151327494>paradise for the eviltheyll never change and die violently eternally to each other and rape and do drugs yeah
>>151327569The sinners make it bad for themselves.
>>151327428Men stopped going to bars and stopped flirting. Women are scared now. Not permanent online loser chick's normal women.
I wonder if the reason why all the Overlords other than Alastor, Carmine, and Zestial feel so shitty is because they are a new generation that was formed after Alastor killed the older Overlords.
>>151327599Absolutely
>>151327569>>151327582It sucks but in the same way Night City sucks where it's still kinda cool so just killing yourself isn't the most logical thing to do.
>Baxter brings Adam back to life>Adam has to stay in hell because Baxter is the only one keeping him together.>The hotel is getting popularity because of Adam being there.>He has to leave eventually and it stresses Charlie out
>>151327513They cuddled
>>151327562And then we got HB Satan lol. Actually I wonder if Alastor's goal will be to usurp Lucifer as ruler of Hell.
>>151327500Uh no, hell in da bibble sucks for everyone. Alastor would be forever subjected to being lynched for being a serial killer negro for the rest of eternity by demons, not be a radio demon with cool powers.>>151327569Even moderately powerful sinners it just becomes Shitty Demon LA. If theres no eternal torture it doesnt really earn the name Hell.
>>151327637Why do these parodies end up being so much better than the original?>No lesbosOf course
>>151327637>Alastor's face being anything but disgusted
>>151327599>Feel so shittyWe barely know anything the rest of them besides the ones you mentioned, the Vee's and Rosie- kind of a stretch there innit'? Also don't diss Maestro, I like him.>>151327608>All the cool 30's sinners here are likely deadsad
>>151327658>thinking that's better than the canon oneCome on. Alastor would be disgusted.
>>151327666>Maestro has a mark over one of his eyesOhh he's a Phantom of the Opera reference
I HATE ZEEZI
>>151327658Cough outakes
The Vees spinoff will probably show off the overlords in detail now that it's 100% that main series is just heaven vs hell shit (and angel dust)
>>151327670I know and it would be hilarious.
>>151327666The fact that the two losers dressed as cowboys are apparently Overlords is proof enough that the standard of current Overlords is quite low, even if those two are the weakest Overlords.
>>151327633I don't know if Alastor wants to rule proper, I think he just wants enough power that he could if he wanted to, and pull any string he desired, and for everyone to know that and fear him accordingly. Chaos works for him. But I for aure think he'd want to be stronger than Lucifer minus the limitation if he could.
I noticed someone on socials saying the broadway show was out, and I watched a couple of clips from it. Do they auto-tune the fuck out of Angel Dust's VA or something? He doesn't do the accent when he sings Poison and it sounds like shit.
>>151327714To be fair too their territory is shitty desert so nobody wanted that i bet
>>151327727That explains why I haven't seen clips of him. The only ones I've been seeing around from the live show are of Christian Borle and Jeremy Jordan. Did the other singers just not do that well?
>>151327705Do you think Vivziepop will disagree with me?
>>151327751Gravity was kind of trash and Adam's VA wasn't there too
Another thing to remember about the current Overlords we see, is they are the ones for just Pentagram City, there could presumably be other cities with older Overlords and such.
27 hours and this shit is all over with.
>Abel: Oh no. The mommy exorcist is actually going to make me into a man after Cain ruined my chances at it and having kids. What a bad outcome, for them! Hahahaha!
I wish Alastor hadn’t iced this guy, he looks cool
>>151327779This is literally cooler than 99% of overlord designs.. wtf
>>151327768and then we wait for Helluva Boss s3
>>151327799no one cares about Helluva anymore
One idea for a spinoff could be to see Alastor's beginnings in hell. It would be interesting to see how things worked with the ancient Overlords and how Alastor eliminated them and earned the fear and respect of all.
>>151327804I care.
Would more people like Vaggie more if she wasn't lesbian?
>>151327751The two best VAs are best live. Makes sense.
Hazbin hotel season 3 will probably come out next year since it has a shorter amount of episodes to finish as Helluva boss is still working on voice work as we speak.
>>151327804Not true
>>151327815I don't
>>151327821Honestly, yeah.
>>151327821I'd like Vaggie more if they recast her VA and gave her a personality that isn't "I'm a lesbian". Her being gay isn't the problem, the problem is that she has way too much screen time and her VA's singing sounds nothing like her talking.What she really needed was a 9th S1 episode that shows her before she fell.
>>151327821Girls fucking is hot. What Vaggie needs is an orgy.
>>151327821Not really, she's too much of a straight man character and her voice acting is uninspired. She'd be forced to do more than Charlie if she wasn't, but at the same time Chaggies like her most out of the whole fandom and she'd lose them.
>>151327678Interestingly his first draft had that bit originally be his brain being visible in his skull. I still kind of find that grotesque element unique (and also fitting with the deer roadkill implications and all), but I digress since it could've been distracting in his final design.I wonder who redesigned him, he's way too good looking and coherent for Vivzie's taste
Al is gonna make a deal with Vox for his power in exchange for survival then kill Rosie because even if she retracts her power, he now has complete ownership of Vox’s souls or whatever empowers overlords
>>151327821I would like her more if her entire character couldn't be reduced to being Charlie's girlfriend. I literally don't think she's had a single conversation in the entire series that wasn't related to Charlie in some way or where Charlie wasn't mentioned.
>>151327852Her being gay is the problem because she is a natural dead end.
>>151327852>and her VA's singing sounds nothing like her talking.That's a voice direction problem, not a VA problem. Stephanie sounds closer to Vaggie's singing voice than she does to her speaking one.
>>151327870Explain why you don't care about the other gays
>>151327841Always funny seeing how much the asians love Stolas when a good amount of the english speaking fanbase hates his guts. Moonland residents usually value style over substance, so maybe that has something to do with it?
>>151327821Nah that's just kind of her role in the story. Even when she's the POV character it's just to do something like go talk to Camilla. She's not a useless or bad character but she's kind of forced into being the stable one because Charlie is mentally ill and retarded.
vaggie sounds so different in singing, she has actual emotion, they need to make her stop doing that stupid forced monotone
>>151327887Moonland??Why do you call them that?
>>151327821Vaggie suffers from being the ultimate type of character a person like Viv doesn't care about, which is a lesbian. Sucks 'cause I like her and frankly I feel like she's too good for Charlie sometimes.
>>151327841>that many blitzo fansEW>That many Fizzaroli stansMeh>Verosika having more fans than the ugly trannyThere is some right in this world.
Vaggie is an accurate depiction of being in a relationship with a retarded girl
>>151327901Lurk moar newfag.
>>151327928Non-answers are done by newlads
>>151327887His character is probably more immediately palatable if you're used to yaoi. I didn't really care for him that much until S2 where him, Blitzo and Fizz all got major character development upgrades. By the end of S2 he's one of my favorites and seeing them finally get together on the same level was the most best moment in either series for me. >>151327920Sallie Mae has like 5 seconds of screentime, not sure why she's even on there. Might as well put the lawyer on there.
>>151327727I thought he sounded much better live. I hate the whiny high autotune voice they give him in the show.
Maybe after season 3, we will have weird Adam, Abel, Lute, and Zestial fanarts.
>>151327858Anymore sex scenes with her and the woke community will start crying out that the latina character is sexualized.
Vaggie honestly needs to spend a whole season away from Charlie if we want her character to improve. We need her to interact with other characters, and those interactions need to have nothing to do with Charlie.
>>151310395Probably, since it seems that VivziePop only cares about writing male characters
>>151327869exactly.Like current Vaggie acts like if you were asking her "What hobbies do you enjoy? what food do you like?" she'd answer with "whatever Charlie likes."The only other personality trait she has is her love of violence, which of course would clash with Charlie's ideals.
>>151327951I doubt we'll see any more sexy scenes with Charlie and Vaggie. Vivz clearly has no real interest in the couple, and even this season the song felt super forced, as if they wanted to include it to make the Chaggiefags happy but didn't have a natural way to insert it, which is why Vaggie starts singing out of nowhere just when Charlie is in the middle of a bout of sadness.
>>151327955based
>>151327945Morgana Ignis is so gross and he doesn't even try to do any good falsettos. Just sounds like a dude and we are expected to treat Sallie like no other girl.
>>151327979There’s a bigger plotline for Adam X Lute in that Lute actually meets Adam’s second son, Abel, and quickly notices how he barely has anything going on his life and wants him to step up. Doing the things Eve should’ve done with him.Very weird stuff.
>>151328001Why would Japan care about that even if your opinion mattered. They watch the show in Japanese. The character has maybe 10 seconds of dialogue across 2 seasons. People who just watched the show once probably wouldn't even be able to name them.
>>151327979Agreed. We've had two arcs of relationship struggle with them and now nothing about their ship will be a focus for more than a couple throwaway scenes. But with Charlie moving onto family drama, we can only hope that Vaggie is therefore forced to do something else because she has no place in that story.
I'm sorry but I truly don't care about Chaggie's relationship at all
Which one?
>>151328039I would care if one of them was a man so they wouldn’t be a dead end relationship.
I don't believe the leak about Alastor/Emily at all, but it would be funny if it were true and their relationship developed more than Chaggie
>>151328025> that Vaggie is therefore forced to do something else because she has no place in that story.She has a mommy, sisters with a grudge, and an Abel that would smack her silly as family.
>>151327979>Vaggie starts singing out of nowhere just when Charlie is in the middle of a bout of sadness.>"out of nowhere" and "not natural" for an entire song about how Charlie needs to stop spiraling and just relax to interrupt her mid-spiralIs critical thinking really this dead?
>>151328042The real woman
>>151328067I really don’t want it to happen because Emily looks like the character that would help out Abel and Lute when Sera is too much of a self-centered prick to realize she needs to help those under her.
>>151328039I mean they're fine. I don't want anything bad to happen to them. Charlie would probably be really annoying if she didnt have a stable relationship.
>>151325474Lucifier wouldn't lift a finger against Sera, as a former High Seraphim himself, she's basically his sister...
>>151328081Dude, several people literally laughed at how out of nowhere the song came, one would expect Vaggie to comfort Charlie with a serious talk, not that she would start singing and sleep with her.
>>151328081>>151328103Remember that Adam never did anything like this with Lute cause he’s old.
>>151328103Talking did nothing. She kept spiraling and doom crying. The sex is what's gonna fix her this season.
>>151328103Serious talking is how Charlie started losing her shit in the first place.>several other people are retarded and have no media literacyCool, that doesn't change that the "stop spiraling" song interrupting a character in the middle of a spiral is definitely not out of nowhere or got put there because they didn't know how to include it, you downy.
So in season 4, does Eve sing cause she gets replaced with Lute and gets really mad.
>>151328103It was supposed to be kind of funny. I promise you they were aware that it would take viewers by surprise when they decided to do it.
The funniest thing about Vaggie's sexy love song to Charlie is how its all about how finding love in Hell is so impossible yet they managed to do it so together they can do anythingMeanwhile every other loving couple in Hell:
>>151327658Because they use characters who have actual chemistry.
>>151328042funny how if this wasn't viv's character trannies would've claimed him already, like they did with ralsei and frankie. headcannoning them as trans even though the show clearly portrays them in their original gender. there's no such thing as tomboys or traps anymore
>>151328179Yeah, and it doesn't really work either, considering that Vaggie didn't even live in hell before she met Charlie, so I have no idea where she gets the idea that it's hard to find love in hell when the first person she ever really met there is the one she would start dating.
>>151328185Alastor and charlie have no chemistry
>>151328179>>151328200Her song is set up for a contrived break up.
>>151328206Doesn't it?Is awesome
>>151328179I think that's how most couples feel. That's why the wedding industry exists. I gotta admit though it is quite catchy for a basic love ballad though.
>>151328206They had chemistry in the pilot, back when Alastor wasn't just some edgy tryhard assholeTheir little dance number back in the pilot had more chemistry than the Chaggie song
>>151328240>>151328239>>151328236>>151328214>>151328206>>151328200which hazbin character has the smelliest farts
>>151328285Uuuh tough questionClyde
>>151328239>That's why the wedding industry exists.This makes my heart flatter with great laughter to explode a room. Now I have a a lot of broken glass to clean up from the floor.
>>151328285100% LuteShe'd angrily pull down her pants and unleash her smelliest stinkiest shart toward Abel
>>151328021>JapaneseThey probably have a woman in actual JP to voice sally.
>>151326659Chubby men make the best bottoms. Chubby though, fat guys are disgusting
>>151328285I want to say Adam, but judging how seriously he actually is an exorcist, he eats a lot more meats and vegetables than Emily ever does. And only picks up fast food just so he can go back to the exorcists camp as quick as he can.
>>151327162>"I said no and now he's pissy, THAT'S the tea!"I wish Alastor spoke from his time period, not just sounded old timey
>>151328311Darn if only there was some way to look up this kind of information. Oh wait >Ishizuka Yu (born in Shizuoka, Japan) is a transgender fashion model
>>151328299She only hates Abel because she doesn’t know how badly that guy wants to be disciplined and open-up as she is.
>>151328299Lute ate one of Adam's ribs once and she was farting so bad he started the extermination a few hours early just so he could laugh when she farted in hell and started fires.
>>151328375No. He made the exterminations occurred earlier to prevent himself and the exorcists from laughing about it.But the thing that made Lute this way on that day was her eating a treat Adam considered to be absolutely disgusting.
Patiently waiting for that one anon who knows it all and can leak stuff for us
>>151328446That guy is the boogeyman
Frankly I am SICKENED by the sheer lack of Alastor femdom art recently. Absolute PHILISTINES.
How is Charlie supposed to make the hotel popular at all?
>>151310395still looks like a girl
>>151328488Well, she’s gotta make Zestial hug Adam.
>>151327761Feels like Gravity is a hard one to sing live, lots of talk-singing which is tricky. Also I'm sure that skin-tight dress wasn't really helping.
>>151328507What is she wearing?
Poison sounds like a particular 00s early 2010s song I cant put my finger on. Not as much the instrumentation but the vocals
>>151328540This song?: https://youtu.be/8I5_gaxpuKE
>>151328446thishe came hours before its releasehope he does the same
>>151328563idk if it makes sense I think in my mind I combined the chorus reminded me of The Bitter End by Placebo and a song by the band The Faint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W9jyRm7xHohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8U4b2d5A1kMaybe there's also an actually specific theaterkid indie music song I'm forgetting but something like this
I wonder what role Emily has in the third season. Since she is the only one that actually talks to Lute and Abel.
>>151328446it's over. amazon caught him and dragged him down to the basement
>>151328636>Reveal Adam’s backstory
>>151328636She will rape Alastor
>>151328346Does he sound like a dude or does he actually have voice training?
Hazbin has the lore and set up of an epic fantasy that would be a genre defining RPG, but the main characters of a low-tier gay sitcom.
>>151327666I'm so glad Maestro finally got named, and voiced to boot. He's been one of my favorite designs since the pilot, and unlike some other overlords from the pilot who vanished like the bird who became Vassago and the drama-comedy mask overlord, I actually feel they fine tuned and improved his design. The mask marking is wonderful
>vox populi that low>vox dei is nowhere to be seen people have shit taste
>>151327655Living in an even shittier LA forever sounds like Hell to me, brother
>>151327655Hell wasn't even in early versions of the bibble, the modern interpretation is pope sanctioned fanfiction
>>151328851love in a bottle/losing streak are the best songs of the season easily
>>151328851There are too many Vox songs this season, it gets tiring after a while. Also Jeremy is criminally underutilized
>>151328851I think Vox Dei loses a lot without the visuals. It's not that long too. Populi on the other hand is being very underrated. Glad to see Losin' Streak get recognition /co/ overlooked it a lot.
>>151328918>Also Jeremy is criminally underutilizedDefinitely, like a weird amount. He must have multiple songs in the last 2 episodes.
>>151328632Based Placebo and The Faint reference
>>151328851Spicy take: After hearing the Vox songs this season I think Gravity isn't actually that good
>>151328960He's only in one song in the last two episodes, and among a lot of other characters. I guess they saved his bigger paycheck for season 3.
>>151328918It's this. I started tuning out Vox at some point.
Sera’s Confession and Gravity are the songs I expect to have followed ups in season 3. With Sera and Lute turning back on their original statements in those songs.>”Why would I need to hear her? Heaven can’t last in ember. (Beginning or mid-season)>”So deep in pain. Never realized I was killing what’s left of you.” (Final)
>>151329003For being major fan favourites both Alastor and Lucifer are very relegated to the background. It's weird, especially since the producers are aware of their popularity
idk why I'm less excited for the finale than I was for episodes 3/4. Maybe because I was hyped up about the Alastor/Rosie episode for over a year and now I'm in my metaphorical refractory period kek
>>151311423For as much as we all make fun of Vivzie, she really was the little fujo that could. It's kind of admirable actually
>>151329087alastor's deals and lucifer's "can't hurt sinners" are probably set ups for bigger roles next season. though it still makes me wonder why they gave vox so much spotlight this season. maybe they're trying to utilize christian as much as possible, with him being that much of a veteran and all
>>151329137Vox pretty much makes Carmilla a prime target for extermination (making Charlie a target for trying to defend her).He gives Alastor freedom to make a deal with Lucifer.He makes Lucifer resort to Alastor and training him with great power (which Heaven will record to justify the extermination).He given Hell the spirit to push for bigger and bigger stunts cause it will eventually succeed.He puts Emily in doubt, Sera back to her old ways, and unites Abel and Lute with rage.He caused the hotel to start from scratch after losing the people it had, including Angel Dust.He put down the foundations for a great show of chaos.
>>151329087If Alastor becomes a villain, he will undoubtedly be the final or penultimate villain. Surely, for now, they don't want to overuse him so they can properly build up how he will gain the power to become a villain who truly poses a threat. They also know that Alastor is by far the most popular character in the show, so they can show him very little and people will still buy all his merchandise and create lots of content about him. Just look at all the fanart he received just for his possible friendship with Velvette
>>151329189I think he is the season 5 villain when Roo loses in season 4.
>>151329189I'd like Alastor's villain arc to come before Roo, like in season 4 where you think he's going to be the main villain but whoops he gets in completely over his head again when Roo fucks shit up for everyone Season 5 and he now has to begrudgingly work together with the "good guys"
>>151329270I don’t know. Lute being with Abel, and Adam eventually coming back to them after their grieving and revenge arcs will get Eve/Roo stupidly envious. Alastor just witnessed and saw how weak he was in season 1 and season 2. He gets a boost in season 3. But the aftermath of Season 3 wouldn’t really make him think he could be strong enough for a seraphim yet.Eve/Roo is perfect for season 4 since her defeat is a safe bet on the show not getting renewed. And Alastor being the aftermath is the consequence of Lucifer’s and Lilith’s trust in him.
I think that Alastor's fate will depend largely on whether or not he is the final villain. If he isn't, then I doubt he will die. There's no way they would kill off the most popular character before the final season. The most likely scenario is that, for some reason, he will rejoin the good guys or be taken prisoner and only help them in order to try to regain his freedom. If he is the final villain, then yes, they may kill him.
>>151328851I can't into Losin' Streak because of the whole drag thing. Gravity and Love in a Bottle are golden, though.
>>151329110Reviews say the finale is kind of a dud and everything is wrapped up too neatly and quickly so I wouldn't advise anyone get excited.
I hope the Alastor X Rmiky leak isn’t real cause I really want a Abel and Emily song.
>>151329270He's the secondary final villain to Roo, or whoever the big final villain is, and turns it around to help Charlie at the climactic point. And he probably does it while making some quippy comment about how unpredictable he is and how he refuses to be overshadowed. But the truth is it's because the power of friendship got to him at least a little bit. I find the Alastor plot easy to predict in the big points considering his loveable edgy deviantart oc trickster nature. And they'd never kill him off in a million years.
>>151329471Whatever the case, this was clearly a set-up/filler season anyway, so I personally wasn't expecting much to begin with.
Those are some details in Gravity and Sera’s Confession that imply the future outcomes in season 3.In Sera’s song, we see a Lute with her Adam bracelet performing the extermination, implying that Sera will turn back to her warsIn Lute’s song, she throws a shard at Adam (representing her destruction on him by attacking Sinners) and pulling it off of him. And right before her great fall, she flies back up (off-screened), to then land perfectly on the ground. Meaning, she will be the one to pull back from her destruction.
>>151328851Lucifer carries Vox Populi, he really carries any song he’s in especially Hell’s Greatest Dad because Alastor’s VA can’t sing
>>151329632nah vox is just that good
>>151328851vox populi is so good, wtfthe refrain of "vox populi, the people's voice" is manna for my ears
>>151329759>the refrain of "vox populi, the people's voice" is manna for my earsamen
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