Kuvira literally did nothing wrong>Earth Kingdom is in chaos after Season 3>Nobody in any power position gives a fuck about doing anything>Kuvira is the only person who decided to unite the nation under a leadership again, traveling for 3 years to help everyone >At the end of those 3 years the other nations who didn't do SHIT to help you suddenly demand you step down and allow a shitty whiny brat to rule on your placeShe was 100% correct and nothing could change what she had to do
She's popular for the same reason why pic related is popular and the detractors and contrarians have no argument besides seething and vague appeals to freedom or something
>>151320197true, that is why they had to add retardation to her with the giant robot thing
>>151320197All correct, they accidentally made her the most based antagonist in the series which is why she just randomly decides she needs to nuke the place with a giant mech.
>>151320380Having a giant robot to guard your country's interests is sound foreign policy.
>>151320197Also the hottest in TLOK.
I don't remember much about Korra but I recall thinking most (maybe even all?) of the "villains" were actually pretty fucking reasonable/had a fucking point.Do I remember incorrectly?
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>>151321278...but enough about>Kya>Opal>Suyin>Izumi>Korra>Asssssami
>>151320197Frankly they could have dragged out the season more and have her fight more earth kingdom warlords.
>>151321693They had good points but their personal motivations were bad Zaheer is probably the most agreeable villain
>>151321693Zaheer probably had the best point but also the dumbest actual plan. Kuvira was 100% justified since Aang had failed to force the fire nation to surrender the lands they had stolen from them.
>>151320197they should've made her mom, Suyin's sister or whatever, the main villain. Nasty bitch, hated her
All she had to do was not attack Republic City (which had not been a part of the earth kingdom for like 200 years)
>>151321827Kiyoshi was right when she said “Only justice will bring peace.” Establishing Republic City was a horrible idea. It makes adult Aang seem weak and overly obsessed with promoting globohomo shit.
>>151321693The equalists's conflict was poorly set up but Amon's plan wasn't exactly the best and he was a fake anyways. No comment on the black kite nigga, Zaheer had a retarded plan and Kuvira was pretty justified.
>>151320197yeah and that's why added the forced labor shit and her turning a fantastic source of energy into a weapon.
>>151321827It was rightful Earth Kingdom clay. Kuvira was not leaving it to globohomo interests.
>>151321856The point of Republic City is that the region had earth and fire benders integrated with one another and even had mixed families and there was no way to go 'fire benders go to the fire nation' without breaking up said families.
>>151320197Its the "help everyone" part that she didn't do past 2 days of propaganda photo getting.Thats the part you seem to forget.Also, she made the show end on a shitty CGI mech.
>>151321693the you have the dark avatar guy
>>151323227Sure but compare it to "heroes" of the story who cause an apocalypse and kill most everyone in the process. Moral of the story: Never let faggots make decisions for the world.
>>151323037You don’t need to kick the benders out just give the clay back to the earth kingdom. If the firebenders are integrated then they shouldn’t cause any problems.
>>151320261I have no earthly clue who your pic related is.
>>151320197>Hey maybe the villain has a point- oh my God they went too far, better stop them!TLoK revels in the neoliberal status quo reset: >Maybe non-benders are worse off- EVIL BLOOD BENDER.>Maybe the spirits are badly treated- DARK AVATAR.>Maybe these archaic regimes- MURDER, ANARCHY. >Maybe stability is worth- GIANT MECH, GERMAN ARMY HELMETS, DO YOU GET IT?? DO YOU??This is the writing of:>We want to imply depth but we still need an excuse for the hero to fight the bad guy at the end.So of course the bad guy has to go too far and the status quo has to win out. In season one the council of Republic City get non-bender representatives at the end, implying all the problems were solved by maintaining the system so the whole conflict was pointless.
Did Kuvira actually love Bataar? It's the one thing I still can't figure out
My sexy wife
>>151320197didn't she recruit bandits to steal from towns so she could strongarm them into surrendering their sovereignty while keeping her hands 'clean'?
>>151320197>>Nobody in any power position gives a fuck about doing anythingI mean, they did. Which is why they appointed Kuvira to restabilize the Earth Kingdom. They just didn't count on her deciding to go- >fuck it, I'mm a be a Chairman Mao analogy and seize power for myself
>>151321762The reason for that was because said territories told the earth kingdom to fuck off and immediately tried to rejoin the Fire Nation repeatedly, they only weren't allowed to because Kuei threw a tantrum and Aang was too much of a spineless fuck to tell him to suck dick and deal with it., but he also couldn't force them to rejoin the Earth Kingdom without basically starting another war, so the Republic was an unhappy compromise that nobody liked.
>>151324285They're both too underdeveloped, both as a pair and individually.
>>151323037>>151324133Well like >>151324414says, it's less that and more that all those Earth and Fire benders in the colonies basically responded to "Pay taxes to Ba Singh Se" with "Fuck you, Sozin did nothing wrong." and then told Zuko they were being invaded and made it clear that if Kuei didn't put those balls he found back in a purse, the war was gonna start again.
>>151324372Anything to unite the earth Kingdom
I can't believe there's people who still give a shit about Korra.
>>151324816Why not? Just cause you hate everything doesnt mean everyone else does
>>151320197She's hotter than Korra
>>151324259Almost as if villainy is defined by actions rather than intent. Also the entire Republic government saw a massive change due to the events of S1. At the start of S1 it was a mutually governed autonomous exclave run by appointed representatives of five different nations, at the start of S2 it's a sovereign nation with a self-determined government. The status quo very much did not win out. >>151321753>episodic arc of Kuvira versus warlords>the episodes don't dwell much and are quick to focus on a new enemy>as the arc moves on the audience and characters start to notice half the supposed "warlords" aren't actually doing anything bad and Kuvira is quick to ally with people she vehemently denounced prior The problem with Kuvira is that they didn't plant the seeds of doubt early, so when they revealed forced labor camps and imperialistic aims it came off as an asspull. >>151324399They should have given Kuvira a kid and have the kid directly compare to Wu in behavior and mentality to subtextually sell the notion that Kuvira is just a monarchist with hipster labelling.
>>151320197The funniest part about Kuvira being a designated villain is that they spend a comical amount of time telling you just how shitty of a leader Prince Wu would actually make. The last monarch was a tyrant and the new one is a selfish nepo baby. So it feels like there's no reason to root against Kuvira until they tack on something about prison camps you never actually see and her deciding to go crazy for nukes for some reason.
>>151324906>The status quo very much did not win out.These changes were not so much explored as just sort of happened and didn't really have much to say about the conflicts. So the point still stands. It was a change in name only.>The problem with Kuvira is that they didn't plant the seeds of doubt early, so when they revealed forced labor camps and imperialistic aims it came off as an asspull.And that issue pretty much follows what my post said about the nature of the writing:>We want to imply depth but we still need an excuse for the hero to fight the bad guy at the end.>So of course the bad guy has to go too far
>>151324854Kuvira doesn't wear an outfit that exposes her shoulders and muscular arms, so she can't be as hot as Korra
>>151324906>They should have given Kuvira a kid and have the kid directly compare to Wu in behavior and mentality to subtextually sell the notion that Kuvira is just a monarchist with hipster labelling.They didn't have to. Wu vibed with the Badger Moles (the original Earthbenders) and led who he did to safety. If it weren't for his electing to abdicate, that would be taken as divine proof of his place to be the Earth King.
I may be forgetting but did Korra straight up never beat her in a fight or something?
>>151326272She lost the first fight because she saw Phantom Korra right before she dealt the finishing blow outside of ZaofuShe "won" the second fight in that she stopped the robot, but Kuvira kinda ran away and then the talk no jutsu in the spirit world happens
>>151326272I don't think she ever gets a straight up win.
>>151326692>>151326272No Korra definitely beat Kuvira in a straight fight. Retreating to go get a gun counts as a loss.
>>151326734Definitely nothttps://youtu.be/X2glZu88HCEKuvira and Korra are going head to head and neither seems to be losingKuvira ran away because the jig was up, Mako blew up the generator. Not cause of Korra
>>151324340>tfw that guy Varricked himself because some girl Zhu Li’d him >>151324259LoK proves that the Avatar is fundamentally a reactionary force. Zaheer did nothing wrong when he planned to end the Avatar cycle; it was holding humanity in a Dark Age forever. There’s no accident that the flowering of technology and modern thought only happens after a 100 year absence of the Cycle followed by the only Avatar since Wan who was never completely brainwashed by the bending Elite
>>151323037Why couldn't they live under Earth Kingdom leadership?I refuse to believe that literally no nations had foreign benders living in them until the Fire Nation Attacked(tm)
>>151327233>LoK proves that the Avatar is fundamentally a reactionary force.TLoK proves they are bad writers. Korra SHOULD have been a Republic City street urchin who becomes the Avatar, the stuffy White Lotus want her to maintain the "balance" but she seeks to change society because she came from the streets and knows hardship. Every single theme, equality, spirits, anarchy, order, could have explored this. Korra as the Avatar of Change inspires Zaheer but then sees the results and doubts herself? Wow, that would have been interesting! The theme should have been change. Instead the philosophy of balance the show puts forward is, like you say, a reactionary force, like 19th century Europeans shitting out monarchs to stop the spread of republics. It has nothing to say.
>>151327299It was a dumb comic
>>151324919Why doesn’t Kuvira let Wu be king while she runs everything as his hand?
>>151320197Suyin is a bitch that didn't deserve what she got along in having never been punished for what she did and Lin's flip-flop heel turn was poorly done when no she was right. Lin was right about Suyin. I don't like that the creators just let Suyin get away scot-free and given Suyin doesn't take charge for the Earth Kingdom in disarray as that could have been a way for her to atone, but nah not my problem, especially coming from the one who said kings are outdated, helps in putting another king for the throne with Wu anyway.
>>151327303>Korra SHOULD have been a Republic City street urchinI mean... no? Having her be born there defies the Avatar Cycle. Aang was an Air Nomad, so Korra had to be born to the Water Tribes. Bad writers or not, her origins were done correctly.
>>151327469>born there defies the Avatar Cycle.I don't think the Avatar cycle is that she had to be born in the Water Tribes just that her parents had to be ethnically from the Water Tribes.
>>151327469>Having her be born there defies the Avatar CycleNo it doesn't... Did you forget that Republic City had people from ALL the different nations and the council that ran it had representatives from the different nations too? Who is to say a Water Tribe sailor didn't live there for a time? She'd still be Water Tribe descent. Republic City in the show is bland and needed culture and personality and connecting the Avatar to it would be a good way to do that. And it would connect to the themes better. So it doesn't break the cycle at all.
>>151327433OkayBut here's a counter argument:Suyin is hot so it's okay
>>151327525>Did you forget that Republic City had people from ALL the different nationsIrrelevant. The Water Tribes was next on the Avatar Cycle. It's as simple as that.>She'd still be Water Tribe descent. Which therein would not make her from the Water Tribes and thus would be in defiance of the Avatar Cycle. The next Avatar after Air has to come from where Waterbenders come from. And while some Waterbenders are from the United Republic (why everyone thinks it's just Republic City is beyond me. Republic City was just it's capital there was much more to it than just that) Waterbenders overall come from the Watertribes. Just Earthbenders come from the Earth Kingdom, Firebenders from the Fire Nation and Airbenders from the Air Temples. Raava's always gonna steer the cycle to keep it in that pattern.
>>151327426I guess because that wasn't the deal they promised her? She was a random soldier from a neighboring isolated kingdom, not a would-be advisor or politician.
>>151327681>Irrelevant Are you describing your post? You're making shit up. It's never specified to be location dependent, neither is it dependent on who counts as Water Tribe or not. There is nothing wrong with someone of Water Tribe descent becoming the Avatar. >Raava's always gonna steer the cycle to keep it in that pattern.Firstly, Raava and that lore was shit. Secondly, I could argue the same thing, that Raava would steer the cycle towards some Water Tribe born in Republic City because it is the centre of new threats and the new status quo. Thematically it would work and fit the story/themes very well. Lore wise it contradicts nothing either. And it could make the city more interesting.So you were just plain wrong when you claim it broke the cycle, so then you move the goal posts, just talking statistics about where someone should be born. But statistics don't matter compared to story considerations. None of this says anything about the ideas or following the themes and how it could add an interesting dimension to things.
>>151327681>Just Earthbenders come from the Earth Kingdom, Firebenders from the Fire NationApart from the former Fire Nation colonies... Which were a plot point in TLA and the comic continuations... You know because the world had changed...
>>151327809This.
>>151320197That's why they made her do concentration camps and target cities that were already peaceful
>>151320197Her only mistake was in trying to consolidate power during a time meant to reflect the interwar period following ww1 (1918-1939). A time in which the royal heads of states were neutered in their power and influence. During this decline of monarchies, many looking to seize power were viewed as dictators with no divine or familial authority to rule. Thus, Kuvira is "literally Hitler" because she is literally Hitler.
>>151327788>so then you move the goal postsThere's no goal posting. Fire, Air, Water, Earth. That's the cycle. Every Avatar will come from the places where the corresponding benders come from in that order. That's how it goes. That symbolism will always be how it goes. Having an Avatar come from where that pattern does not correspond defies that thematic symbolism, and the United Republic definitely does not fall within that symbolism. Ergo an Avatar could never come from there. It's that simple.
>>151323037Break up the families its a bandaid that needs to be ripped
She began putting non-Earth Benders in camps. She was Earth Nation first and fuck everyone else.I fucking hate this shitty meme.
>>151321693Yes, Toph explicitly says so in book 4
>>151329168Yes they made heckin concentration camps and giant nuke mechs in the last minute because they accidentally made Kuvira right about everything
>>151329290I mean in all fairness Kuvira has other similarities to Hitler. The Third Reich didn't have the money, nor the manpower to sustain itself out of wartime. It only existed through conquest. We see this happen in the show kind of when she defeats the group of bandits then forces them into slavery/conscription.
>>151320197She can't just come in, do some charity and then expect everyone to do as she says not just in her nation but making herself the leader of the entire world, as soon as they declined she instantly dropped her facade and tried to take it by force no matter who's affected or even killed in the process, she's a fascist authoritarian who somehow becomes worse than the fire nation.
>>151328245>from the placesIt's never stated it has to be a place and not just someone born of that group. It does not break the pattern of symbolism either. You come across as autistic no fun or discussion allowed police. >and the United Republic definitely does not fall within that symbolismSo if the nations of the world change in anyway then according to to you there is no more Avatar. Because it has to be from a place and nation, not simply someone of that descent.
>>151320197Nah Zaheer was right. That's why the world eventually turns to shit regardless of anything. She was trying to be a Horus with an already dead emperor on the throne.
>>151328535Republic City is the bandaid being ripped, huge megacultures based on bending traditions were cripplingly vulnerable to industrialized military. Sending everyone back home to LARP as the world 150 years prior is just a good way to have fifth columns in every corner.
Kuvira should have just fucked Korra silly so she wouldn't be around to stop her.
>>151328007Should have gone for being Stalin. He claimed that the laws of historical inevitability and Marxism-Leninism and the support of the Soviets backed his rule, and less people revolted against him than against the Tsars who claimed divine right.
I LOVE KUVIRA
>>151330214She needs more art though. Actually, all LoK women do.
>>151330185She should have fucked her silly and kept her as a pet to show Earth Kingdom dominance actually
>>151324146Bukele, President of El Salvador.
>>151330293Real.
The implication of Combustion Bitch blowing off her own head was pretty brutal.
>>151328245>United Republic definitely does not fall within that symbolism. Ergo an Avatar could never come from there. It's that simpleSo according to you, the Fire Nation didn't have to kill the Airbenders, they could have stuck them on an island, called it the United Republic and the cycle would have ended because of the symbolism. Well that sounds retarded. Also:>from the placesAir NOMADS. They travelled around. Hence why the Fire Nation genocides them, because they had to destroy the benders/people, aka it relies on descent not place. You're retarded, it's that simple.
>>151330085Zaheer is the reason why she even happened and even Korra told him "thanks to your stupid anarchy bs, you created a power vacuum that allowed someone worse than the Queen to seize power"Zaheer is full of shit
>>151330960Korra got away with a lot of pretty shocking deaths for a kid's show >Amon dying to his brother's suicide >Combustion lady blowing herself up>Mako electrocuting the evil water bending girl>The Earth Queen suffocating to death
>>151330293too bad all yer gettin is korrasami junk
>>151327299Why would they want to? The Earth Kingdom doesn't even seem to be ruled by earth leadership. It seems more a bunch of independants with the Earth King being 'first among equals' thing for ruling Ba Sing Se. They've just temporarily banded together to fight off the fire nation. So what? Just hand themselves over to some rando Earth noble? Why when the Fire Nation seems to not just be the more advanced nation in tech but also socially. At least it seems more egalitarian. Women get equal treatment and they're willing to employ other benders (Dai Li) whereas you cannot imagine the opposite happening. They also have that odd obsession with *imprisoning* people - even benders - instead of killing them (which comes across as some sort of odd cultural taboo that Ozai wasn't able to break). You don't see no prisoners in the Earth or Water nations.Obviously the war is bad, but it's hard to argue that life for the average earth peasant would be any different if the fire nation were just suddenly in charge.The actual flaws of the fire nation seem to be a) the war going on for too long has fucked their society over and the leadership was insane. But first is the same for the EK, and the EK leaders we see were barely better.Post ATLA the Fire Nation is ruled by Zuko, heroic friend of the Avatar. So why would they want to go to being serfs under EK rule and risk half the colonials being murdered for having fire nation blood? When they know Zuko is best friends with the Avatar and the heiress to the Bei Fongs and won't give a shit what their family tree looks like?
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>>151320197She was a woman, more right than Korra but a woman nonetheless. Which is why she lost to Korra (a man in her previous life)
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>>151332075Yeah, I'd hench for her.
>>151332075Why is Kuvira wearing Metal>So she can shoot metal off her bodyMore like so the first metal bender she comes across can crush her body instantly like a blood bender
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>>151332095Good boy!
I think it's kinda dumb that, with the spirit wells open on either pole, that Airbenders would suddenly appear. If that's the case, why didn't Sokka gain a bending ability when he was trapped by the Panda?
>>151332096Thats intemidating body protection. Sje just probably thinks that no metal bender is quicker than her.
>>151324919The writers tried to circumnavigate that by saying Wu himself would be a powerless puppet and all the movement decisions would be made by bureaucrats sent by Republic City or elected officials, so basically it would be the position of the Earth Kingdom from Avatar, but the Earth King would in fact have zero power
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Assuming Metal Bending is incredibly hard for an earth bender to actually do, would primitive guns be good?>First Season: Equalists use technology as their weaponry, from airships to aeroplanes. They use Avatar-Styled Flintlocks and cannons.
>>151324146Bukake or something
>>151330293I've stooped so low I'm sating my lust with slop.
>>151332286If I were a better artist I would draw her for you and everyone else here.
>>151332312I used to have a massive crush on her and obsessively doodle her everywhere when the series was still running back when I were in highschool, instead of doing something productive like learning or talking to real girls. But now my will to draw has faded as has my will to live and I artificially try to recreate how I felt back then with a shallow facsimile of how I remember my horny doodles looking.
>>151332096I assume short of being Toph no one is that much better than Kuvira at metal bending for that to be a problem
>>151332439It still puts her at a disadvantage, like of she's fighting two metal benders all one has to do is draw her attention while the other focuses on crushing her neck or something
ffffuck I'm in love
>>151332312>>151332361What stuff did you have in mind
