I’m hoping we get to see more True Form Abaddon.
>>151322448I hope it terrifies everyone even estherAlso shocking good and crazy how big it got I remember the very first thread and their was no art or talk about this series at all
>>151322448Aku, what the fuck are you doing there? Get back to your own universe
>>151322448>>151323832I was there for the very first threads, had my fun but moved on. Now peple are saying stuff about a new season and whatnot. Is it real or just wishful thinking?
>>151324169Real. Regardless of whether it's actually just a split season, it apparently did well in the ratings.https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/haunted-hotel
>>151322448Mega?
>>151324269Well that's great, the show was good so I'm happy it did well
>>151323832I bet physically he’s terrifying, but at heart he’s the same weirdo in personality. Leads to a nice moment where Esther recognizes him from his eyes, and the secret handshake.“She-mon, demon, always be schemin.”
>>151323832We had quite a few full threads in a row once the series premiered. Not too much fan art but there was some and I really appreciate the anons who dropped by to draw some. Lots of good Esther and even some Abaddon to enjoy.
Anyone else think there’s a lot of potential comedy/drama in the tension between Abaddon’s true form and his new one? He is used to playing Connect4 and riding in the back of a car. Showing his TRUE appearance is a huge risk for him, as it could ruin his relationship with his found family. He doesn’t know how they’d feel seeing his ACTUAL face. At the same time though, he is not above frightening his found family’s worst enemies.
I wonder if this guy is gonna come back in season 2?Maybe they can't afford much time from his VA, dude is in everything
>>151326302I hope he appears in another episode or two, since he seemed decent, but he doesn't have enough personality to become main cast material. I also think it's possible for him to return, since he left the date on good terms with Katherine.
did this show have 2 finales?ep9:>whole fuckin family gonna die>abbadon saves themep10:>whole fuckin family gonna die>abaddon saves them
>>151327739Huh. I guess it did. Episode 9 is taken less seriously, but it's still odd to have two similar concepts back to back. I guess it's because they wanted Nathan's suicide near the show's end, and it would be too much to include that in the armageddon plot line, but they could have split that reveal from the demon invasion story to balance the show more.
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>>151328072One of these is a tomboyThe other is a she-demon
Reminds me a lot of bobs burger, specially the character dynamics, they just made sure to improve on the characters, you have the akward parent who wants their bussiness to succeed. the fun parent who is just playing around, the akward teen, the devious little girl and the weird little boy, less awkward, more dynamic, the jokes being more clear, I'm okay with bobs burger but the type of humour makes the show drag a little bit, specially by how grounded in reality it is, modern seasons are a snooze fest because of it. They don't seem to take themselves that seriously also, that is good, last episiode of the season is almost subversion of those things work, I was expecting to the episode to end with the world ending and continuing next season with a season long plot like you see normally in shows now a days, but they kinda say fuck you and play around with the premise enough were the world ends literal dozens of times were it completely loses the weight of it and that's the joke. That aside I wonder how much of this show characters were designed with perverts in mind, they do check every single box they can. You have the loli, the shota, the milf, you have opportunity to incest and wincest and all sort of weird scenarios. Reminds me a lot of early TLH and how it was this seed for perverts to latch on but never an intentional thing. The amount of porn I'm seeing of it and the fact anons did not forget about it makes me think that.Outside that for me is a good entertaining show. I was never bored watching that is more I can say about a lot of things and I could finish episode after episode instead of dropping it mid way season, or even on episode one. But for me is not outstanding in any way, specially on the family sitcon vibe, I liked Royal cracker much much more but I don't see anyone talking about it here.
>>151328220>bobs burgerI hesitate to compare this show to Bob's Burgersbecause I see Bob's Burgers as a show that is propped up by prestigious voice talentand I see Haunted Hotel as a show written to elevate voices that aren't that impressive (except Abaddon)
>>151322448I hope that in his true form he's still as bratty and dramatic as ever.Apparently some other demons bullied him and the other guy didn't even know him so I kind of doubt Abaddon was ever as big of a deal as he made himself seem.
>>151325113True kaiju size handshake, or maybe it's a abaddon split ep. He and boy split so now abaddon is more like he used to be with memories of his time on earth. As cute as that scene is idk why it took a while for that to grow on me and not be cringe but does feel like a kid secret hand shake.>>151325469I think we are the esther lovers, she has fans but little nsfw while abaddon is getting turnt out like thai boy whore .but now more and more esther x abbadon too
>>151322448I listen to Haunted Garage, but this I never heard of.
>>151327739To be fair think ep 9 was more nathan ep while abaddon saves them more is secondary adding to the family dynamic part. Also think more of a overall family dynamic ep but could see both as quasi finale of s1 as each are pretty big reveals and moments for characterslearning why kathy can be a bit distant and annoyed or bewildered by her brother and the hotel. It'd be both great and horrifying to see your sib that killed themself. You'd feel huge guilt or resentment but also joy getting to be with them again
>>151322448I actually hope we do NOT see true form AbaddonMaking one of the main cast physically dangerous would break the premise of the showEvery episode is them going up against something they can't just swat out of existenceI can name a show that broke its own premise in a similar way
>>151330591True form Abaddon will be like a Zoom call. He’s projecting his true appearance, but he’s still stuck inside his limited body. It’s the only he’ll know he’s truly accepted.Also, what do we think his true voice sounds like?
>>151329197If we see his projected true form while remaining inside the boy form, it won’t break the story. His power will still be limited.
I wasn't very impressed by the first episode. Does it gets better?
>>151331634>>151331030Honestly that sounds more horrifying, imagine seeing a kid then looking at his shadow and seeing a massive demon.I think the true voice would be the same maybe a bit raspier or with a filter on it as his voice is pretty gruff as is not like i's a kid voice>>151331886Much better, I was same honestly it's a fine first ep conveys a lot of what show will be but tis still the first ep
>>151331886I'll rate them in order
>>151331970I was thinking more than like the Obi-Wan effect in “A New Hope”, thus allowing us to see Abaddon’s full features without making the character too powerful.
>>151332936Best to Worst:>Unfinished Business>Randy Slasher>The Acolytes of Abaddon>Rollyfluffs>Welcome to the Undervale>The Esthercist>Aunt Rose>Seven Deadly Bens>How to Train Your DemonThat's not to say I hated any of the episodes, but if I had to pick a worst one it would either be the one with the very gay scene or the one with the most one-note guest.
>>151333080really not a bad list just shocked abaddon finale isn't up there or esthercist but yeah ben ep was funny but probably weakest to me but many love it.for me more like>Randy slasher-idk hilarious wish randy was a a main stay ghost he'd be a good friend for ben both losers>Acolytes of Abaddon-got to be no 1 or 2 literally made the fandom and has so much fanart and edits, but even besides that really shocked me with making me care about a mascot/side family character>Esthercist-has a good reveal and taken seriously also just fun to get more demon stuff and felt like a genuine struggle for the family unlike other monsters>Unfinished business-great second ep really brought me around to the series and uses all characters well>Rollyfluffs- fun parody and school adventure, also we get to get some lore on kathy and her hubby>Seven deadly bens-it's fun in it's own way that one scene is a bit weird but in other shows would have been worse>How to train your demon-get some abaddon lore and little bit more of his character also fun werewolf shenanigans>Ghost hunters-fun side plot has funny reveal but mostly just ben trauma dumping, also funny ghost hunter joke is fine just wish had more of a hook>Welcome to the undervale- a bit slow but it's a pilot/first ep and does that job well just not the best but not terrible>Aunt rose- cute esther moments but aunt rose sucked, respect kathy for trying but just let her die lol>>151332943Hmmmm interesting idea though can't imagine how this would work 100% though could see this with kid abaddon is possessing for a ep he is unsealed but is just a ghost or something kind of haunting or chilling with abaddon. But at end he goes to other side after abaddon maybe apologizes or they kind of accept what happened.
>>151333412Aunt Rose was a hateable character played well, driving the plot of her episode with pure evil - the problem with her episode is that the resolution to everyone's problems is "just kill everything" which isn't really the appeal of Haunted Hotel. Randy, on the other hand, ghosted as he lived: completely irrelevant to the events happening around him. The Freelings could have handled the slasher situation without input from his squeaky voice. The episode is good in spite of Randy.
>>151333688really you think randy is that bad? honestly think he's funny because of how pathetic he is but trying to act cool or seem better than he really is. Randy also has a level of damn kind of feel for himalso aunt rose is a good asshole character and she made me laugh just more how kathy handled it though knowing how nathan died kind of get it probably hurts her to see afamily member kick the bucket after that.
>>151329623>I think we are the esther lovers, she has fans but little nsfw while abaddon is getting turnt out like thai boy whorefwiw what we've gotten so far in canon definitely skews towards shotabait, Abaddon in general but also Ben. His freaky ghost sex with his ghost gf, the clone episode, him being an awkward and horny teen in general.>>151331030>>151331634>>151331970>>151332943Something like this would be great, Esther does something to allow him to channel his true appearance briefly. I just really want to see his true form in something that isn't the shadow play flashback. I'm not just a shotafucker but a monsterfucker, this character is like catnip to me>>151333412>wish randy was a a main stay ghost he'd be a good friend for ben both losersAgree but i feel like he can get annoying real fast if they use him too much.
saw these storyboards and this came to mind
>>151334106yeah they made a lot of potential boy content, sad esther doesn't get much besides heather which was bleh. yee could be fun but also think leaves some ambiguousness for fans to design and think, sometimes more horrifying if we can't see fully. But respectable as wellI can see this idk think he would just be like heather occasional character not someone that's in every ep or something. Just to give ben a male friend which just realize he sadly doesn't have
>>151334106Abbadon shows his true self to the family when he really wants to open up to them. But he’s self conscious about his demonic form, so he shows it only every now and then.He cannot use it to fight other entities, sine it is just a projection. Sufficiently angered though, he’ll display his true form to show those entities he is angrier than his boy form can convey.
>>151334387>I can see this idk think he would just be like heather occasional character not someone that's in every ep or something. Just to give ben a male friend which just realize he sadly doesn't haveYeah Ben definitely needs a guy friend, as long as they don't overuse Randy to the point of annoyance it's fine.imo Heather has more potential as a reoccurring character, she's the normie contrast to the supernatural shenanigans. Helps that she's pretty casual about finding out ghosts and demons are real.>>151334737This would be the best way to go about it. And as cool as it would be to see his true form, you can still get away with not showing it fully like this.
>>151334106Horny Ben hitting on his own mom opens up a world of things.
>>151335180His true form could be shot in close-ups so we never see all of him at once. We just know the demon is huge. That and he’s still a brat.
>>151334212No way this is real
>>151322448It's good and I'm happy it's renewed for a second season, but not renewing it ahead of time probably means we won't see it for a long time. And by the time S2 drops, it may be the last one. Unless K-Pop Demon Hunters single-handedly revitalized Netflix's interest in original animation, it's chances are dim.
>>151335278I would genuinely love to see a fully powered true form Abaddon cause earthquakes/floods/disasters by throwing the same kind of bratty little tantrums he throws in his boy form
>>151335353It's a storyboard I just added the text people were joking abaddon looks a bit to happy right after everyone died so added the meme
Shocked their isn't more bad end aus about esther and abaddon>What if abaddon gave up on saving the freelings and just saved esther>What if in one timeline abaddon just did whatever he wanted?>Etcalso yandere demon shota is kind of fun concept with how fucked it could get very fast
>>151335899meant to add this
>>151335763Could do a kind of ultimate move that nearly kills him and puts him out for a few weeks (again so he can’t be a storybreaker. Using his full power is devastating to his health).
>>151334212"Why are you crying? Is my vessel truly that ugly?"
I think Nathan needs a ghost GF.
>>151335949>unleashes his powers while having a childish tantrum over something silly (store was out of fruit loops)>turns out being trapped for so long has impacted his abilities >exhausts himself, needs to recharge >roughly 1000 years to power upStatus quo maintained
>>151336337True Abaddon having a CHRONIC addiction to Fruit Loops would be hilarious.
>>151335950That can't be true abaddon is adorable, she must be hysterical slap her abby.
Do you guys think after the events of the finale now Abaddon watches esther sleep
>>151337816Maybe he even gets comfy enough to fall asleep next to her even though he doesn't need sleep
>>151337930I imagine even if he could he doesn't 100 times seeing your little blip die keeps you vigilante.Probably for the first week he was super nervous constantly side eyeing everything as it was all new territory and he didn't have his powers. He couldn't protect them or her as easily any more.But would be cute, though imagine he crawls in just to watch her imagine she wakes up to those big ole red orbs
>>151338329This is Abaddon’s true personality, regardless of the fact he’s actually a towering multi-limbed demon.
>>151337581The senseless crying has not ceased! In fact, it has redoubled! The punishment will continue until Esther ceases this hysteria and recognizes that my body is smoking hot.
>>151338702Protective depowered demon shota bf...
What if True Abaddon is the runt of Hell’s demons? By their standards, he’s a braggart puppy. Powerful but nowhere near the level of the others.
>>151328763Abaddon's voice is good, but Abaddon would be better if he wasn't voiced like Abaddon.
>>151338949Given that apparently other demons would bully him and the demon in the pilot didn't seem to recognize him at all this might be the case.
>>151338994We haven’t heard his true voice yet. Bet it’s distorted and deep (though he admits he doesn’t feel it matches his personality, but a voice like that helps you survive in Hell).
>>151339040Which explains why he’s so protective of the family. Them being tormented reminds him of his own being bullied. All that power and other demons would just dwarf it.
Maybe in season 2, one of Abaddon’s old demon bullies shows up and his found family saves Abaddon’s life (though it is one hard battle).
>>151333870>knowing how nathan died kind of get itGood point.This was especially true for episode 1. Nathan voluntarily entering the exorcist void was the last thing Kathy wanted to see.
>>151338702True imagine he makes her immortal but tricks her into being a perma loli so they can be together forever.>>151338788Do what you must O king of cobrasHonestly super protective or abusive abaddon kind of works. He tis perfect for fanon ideas
>>151339040was he thought he was some form of king/upper echelon demon>>151339156abaddon fights a demon in another kid body and then they defeat them by sealing them in the body just like abaddon
>>151339358The fact that he kept talking about himself like a burden had to make her guilt even worse
>>151322448I keep seeing art of the demonchild.
>>151322448I want them to acknowledge there should be two Abaddons now or he like fused with himself after going back in time & reliving history. The amount of times doesn't matter. He'd have to do it every time.
>>151341509He's cute
>>151341509He's the most popular character so that's why
>>151341522I never thought about it, but you're right. In every timeline there should be a pre-vessel, demon Abaddon. How does he get trapped in the kid's body if he's already in that body? Did the original storyline simply not happen in the next 100 loops, meaning the priest's son grew up normally? Is there a free demon Abaddon living in Hell while the original universe, vessel Abaddon lives on Earth in the current timeline? There's no way they can address this because it destroys the plot.
>>151341759They have to address that elephant because it's such a huge plothole!
I wonder if any angelic figure will appear at some point Abaddon did save the world after all
>>151322448Imagine beating up Esther, haha
>>151341890You've made the elephant in the room self-conscious! The elephant isn't THAT huge, right? Right?!
>>151341759>sits at the bottom of a lake for 3 days>hides under a couch for 5 days>eats connect 4 pieces because he lost connect 4 abaddon is exactly the type of creature that cares so little about himself that he would not even try to meet up with his "past selves" for 1 trillion yearsif anything he would think "I already know what I did for the last billion years, so why get involved in something so boring?"
>>151342168It's so huge it could explode like a whale if left unaddressed.>>151342271That still means 2 Abaddons. Hence the issue.
>>151342321>2 AbaddonsAbaddon goes missing so often and for so long that it would be feasible for the Freelings to not see more than 1 of his "selves" at a time for over a yearhe's operating on such a long time scale that they're just a blip to him. If Abaddon is gone for 50 days out of 100, he wouldn't notice the differencein fact, it's hard to picture how he manages to both commit so many crimes against so many people in Midwich AND be available for nighttime adventures with his family if there are *not* 2 of him
>>151332936>>151333080Esther's gayness awoken in the Rollyfluffs episode.Esther/Heather? Can't come up with a ship name, theirs sounds to similar.
>>151342540See that'd be a great way to handle it. Though there was ONLY two of them AFTER he started going back in time in the 10th episode.
>>151333688>>151333870Also where were the other teens the slasher killed? Randy died outside of the Hotel yet still his ghost haunt the hotel. Were the other to out of the hotel range to not ended up ghosts, or do they haunt outside of the hotel? Since Ep. 2 did show there are ghosts who haunt the surrounding area of the hotel.
>>151342624They died without unfinished business maybe Randy wanted to be cool and have sex but wasn't and didn't so he can't pass on
>>151341522I wondered about that when getting to the finale. Thought we may end up with a joke ending like in Bender's Big Score where there's hundreds of Abaddon running around. Amusingly the show's little clip show of Abaddon going through time skips over the time periods he would have first possessed that kid so it looks like they decided to side step what that may have looked like. It's probably just going to be one of those things you're supposed to not think about and hand wave away.
>>151342670You could hand wave it with saying he just magically merged with his normal timeline self or something. They have that benefit of literal magic using their own rules for time travel.
>>151342547>awoken in Rollyfluffs episodeher gayness was awoken when Nathan "being the cool uncle" went too far
>>151342764True. It could just as easily work on the "it's magic it doesn't have to explain anything" vibes which I'm fine with. This show plays things loosey goosey sometimes so it fits.
>>151342861I just want something.
>>151342580There could have been two of him for all of season 1 but nobody knew because one or both of them was in the vents or in town.The Freelings are used to ghosts raising hell in the hotel every night, so why would a bit of extra noise in the vents stand out?
>>151342580I saw a video that suggested that the "other demon" Abaddon saw in the mirror that caused him to wreck the hotel lobby in Episode 4 was his Episode 10 self during one of his many time loops.
>>151342321>>151342540>>151342580>>151342956Turns out it WASN'T just his reflection that he was fighting with...
>>151342995>Abaddon had to pull a Barry Allen and kick his own ass every time he wanted to change the past
>>151342995I, for one, look forward to the Ben clone orgy reprise in Season 2 with alternate universe Abaddons instead.
>>151342050Dangers of having a demon bff>Esther makes one little joke that irks abaddon, he suddenly smacks her. Is shocked how fast it silences her>Abaddon one day realizes esther might be good at the dark arts but is still just a little girl. So he can over power her>Esther realizes that maybe having a demon bestie isn't safe, since their is no such thing as consent in the demon realm>Pain translate to pleasure or dominance for demons so abaddon, goes a bit to far during a playful rough housing situation. Goes from playful grappling/teasing fighting to him wailing on her>Abaddon becomes jaded to death after the time loops, he accidently gets/kills esther. He just sighs and says "guess time to get another one" goes back into time dial.
>>151343978I don't even like Esther very much and reading this made me sad
>>151343978I think death is too far, would be cooler if she gets mindbroken into being his slave, conditioned to accept and enjoy the abuse though.
>>151342624Randy did run for a good bit and we see in a zoom out he's very close to hotel, we don't know the true limit besides where nathan can't go. So for all we know he just ran right into the property line, others were just outside of it>>151342547Ew dyke shit, all jokes aside it's got some art but most realized it was boring as sin like heather. Though be interesting if someone made a esther/heather/abaddon concept.Also idk if this scene was meant to be gay or not, felt like just friend stuff since well feels so out of place for her to be into heather. Plus she wanted a friend and think that was more purpose of scene and whole ep, maybe means esther is more pathetic than she puts on. But yuri is always fun so give heather more character and it could work.>Esther: just me my gf and our immortal demon third
>>151344082You don't like esther? Also most of these are different types of bad ends not same idea. Weird that I love esther maybe just got to into idea>>151344236Wasn't meant to be good end more just me drabbling about how a demon friend would be dangerous or bad ends. Which are shockingly few in the fandom since abaddon is a demon.Also that is probably hottest ending and how I imagine some of these going if went long term last one was just worst ending if you notice they progressively get worse
>>151344305I dunno why she never registered with me. She's the scrappy tomboy who acts tough but is lonely inside. That should be a recipe for an easy favorite for most people, and I've loved characters with a similar archetype before, but I just found her annoying most episodes
>>151344482Honestly I like her as well she's weak compared to other typical girls in horror series. Which makes her fun as she's fallible reminds me of classic mandy. Very likely to win and overcome most things but still is a kid and little girl so not immune to some thingsHonestly saddest thing is most female characters become little demi gods at some point. Comparing early season mandy to later season is like night and day. Which is why esther is fun she's basicallly just a bit more knowledgeable than the rest but as we saw many times she still just a little girl with hopes and dreams naivety and fears.damn really annoying she really felt that way at first but then she really was much chiller than I thought. Though makes her prime for demon boy correction
>>151344742Strongly agree on lots of recent female characters being or becoming invincible throughout their series. It's usually the characters who have superiority complexes and treat the rest of the cast like shit, too, so their wins don't feel at all deserved. I hadn't looked at Esther through that lens, but it does help me appreciate her as an example of good character writing. It's hard to explain what I found annoying. I think she sometimes interrupted the plots I was invested in, and some of her jokes and quirks didn't land with me. I definitely like her more after finishing the show than I did starting it. I would like to see more of the Abaddon-Esther relationship since it was relegated to the background for so much of the series. Many great opportunities for correction now that Abaddon has increased Esther's importance from blip to "very close acquaintance."
>>151345017yeah really sometimes it fits like early mandy ego and being able to outsmart characters then she just became pure power. Like her being a fighter to and beating up giant monsters and adults suddenly. Gaz too was fine to me as her whole thing was she's the angry gamer sister honestly she got better in the comics as she cared just a bit more about dib though they also gave her more scientific prowess which I feel is a bit much for one character but alasYeah 100% sad most abaddon esther stuff is fanon, as they wasted time on heather then suddenly drop "abaddon is my bestie" I get he probably doesn't "count" since well demon boy but still. We needed way more showing than telling and yeah they have more subtle stuff but never realized how close they were til the finale if anything felt like they could be at odds with each other til then. Also I can see this with her being a bit quirky but I think most of it was acceptable nothing so bad and most of the time she's also the butt of jokes which is fun. As said sadly so rare for the tough street smart girl to ever falter or be wrong but if you think about it esther is failing more than she wins which makes her fun. Like esthercist or werewolf ep etc, she's competent but a reasonable competent for her age. Maybe my standards have lowered since so many annoying girl characters who feel invincible but just makes her fun to me want more but would love if they keep this balance smart efficient but still naive and falliableAlso yes, she's his little blip. An sometimes one must establish the pecking order. Also what if he gets to "acquainted" still say shocked no bad ends of him becoming obsessive over esther or trying to claim her as his. Potential potential, honestly maybe why I'm not a fan of heather as feels like she retroactively could be replaced with abaddon who'd then add a much more interesting perspective
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>>151346235Ben is a weird cat
>>151346246I still can't believe they gave us canon catboy
>>151346779if someone told me their was a shota/boy fucker on the team i'd believe it. Why did they make a cat boy lol. Like ben doesn't even fit being a cat boy
>>151335763>>151336337>>151335949>>151335278>>151334737Next season something happens to esther maybe some new demon hurts her or almost kills her. Abaddon goes full rage mode is able to temporarily leave his vessel just to fuck them up.
>>151342956>>151342990>>151342995That would imply possibly every episode we saw prior to episode 10 was during one of his time loops & not the original timeline of events. That'd be nuts.
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>>151349389Reminder Esther's promised her firstborn actual son to a coven. If she wasn't just lying to Ben to freak him out.
Is this actually good or is this just another thing /co/ fellates cause of the characters making them hard?Rick and Morty connection makes me super wary.
>>151350107She also has a tattoo somewhere on her body. I feel like it might be a ritual tattoo to do black magic.
>>151350310Shockingly yes. The Rick & Morty connection is just one writer from the show made this.
>>151350310It's decent not the best thing. Ghosts occasionally have fun designs on how they died. To me, it's a good balance cast. It's like Gary vs his demons meets Bob's burgers.
>Semen>Demon>Always Be Creamin'
>>151350310It's pretty good
>>151351532GIWTWM
>>151351919Getting hugged or hugging?
>>151352952Hugging, but I'd happily take getting hugged, too
>>151353196Trying to hug Abaddon would be like trying to hug an angry feral cat
https://baraag.net/@mothscure/115578403526613165
>>151349367>>151349389Abaddon dicks her down roughly for this joke, she loves her shota bf
>>151354549People need to stop aging up Abaddon, tomboy gf x permashota bf is legendary
>>151353657I'm ready, let's hug it out buddy
>>151355120why does this sound like something Nathan would have done when he first found Abaddon
Here's a real question. What do you think were Nathan's motivations for killing himself?
>>151355577I stole the idea from a mid-2000s kids' movie, so I can easily imagine Nathan watching something similar while visiting Esther and Ben when they were younger
>>151355975I think he was Epsteined.
>>151355975He was gambling on horses and trying to take care of a rundown hotel that wasn't getting any business. He also seemed to be somewhat estranged from his family, based on the arguments between him and Katherine in Episode 9. I can see money troubles and isolation fueling the depression and convincing him he had nothing left to live for. Being surrounded by ghosts didn't help him, either, since they made death seem less permanent a decision (since it is, as long as you don't succeed in your unfinished business). Given not even Nathan knows what his unfinished business is, beyond spaghetti dinners, he also probably felt directionless in his life. He never found a passion to give his existence meaning.
>>151356322Even as a ghost he still seems to be searching for direction given how he really wants to help his family and the hotel.He's got potential to be a "sad clown" type character done well, I'm genuinely interested to know more about Nathan.
>>151356454I agree, he's made his family and his ghost friends in the hotel his new priorities in death, which is heartwarming. I think Esther even said something about the spaghetti dinner being an obvious metaphor before being interrupted.I really like Nathan and his dynamic with the other characters. I think learning about his life before the show and his death will make a very impactful episode.My captcha is P0000. That's disrespectful. We're having a serious conversation here.
>>151356322>>151356526Let's not forget he joined 12 cults prior. A clear sign he was looking for answers & direction in life but gaining nothing from it. Seems like it wasn't just any one thing that did it but a series of listlessness that drove him into debt.
>>151322448That sounds really similar to that other show...
>>151357046I'd forgotten all about the cults/pyramid schemes. Great point!>>151357087Which show?
>>151354682based, but hear me out "permashota" and permaloli gf. 100% see him cursing esther or she curses herself to be immortal but now kid forever
>>151357424Can't go on a date anywhere but the movies being stuck as perma kids.
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>>151358449I mean they don't seem the type to go on special dates anyway. A date for them would be a picnic at midnight under a blood moon eating grilled jackalopes
>>151360439>that Ben
>>151360439>>151360510Horny Ben's influence.
Rare, quality Ben art
>>151360510no way chihuahua, Esther is the hot sibling. she just doesn't know it yet. if you think she's a menace now, just wait until she starts to understand her true power.
>>151342547I like Heather and Esters friendship, dometihjg kind of cute with Esters insulting compliments.
>>151360751When Esther said she promised her first born to a cult and rubbed her womb my dick jumped a little. Need drawings of Esther tummy.
>>151360751She's a qt but shotas in slutty outfits are my weakness forever>>151361751She's literally tsundere
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>>151362533I think both are great shota in just cute clothes like seeing abaddon drawn in fanart in just his normal clothes is sometimes better to me as idk more unique/funShe really is even with abaddon, though she's a bit more straight forward with abaddon but still tsun. Like with the blanket and being called a blip she obviously was hurt but went to anger faster to hide her hurt. Honestly she's the most reason tsundere knowing about her dad stuff got to be guarded.
>>151361769Think she'd really do it or she's just messing with Ben? Would she want to keep trying every time she gives birth to a girl instead?
>>151364019Ester scammed those moon people out of whatever they paid her for her son
>>151344259>>151361751>>151362533>>151364008Literal lines from the episode.
>>151364547God forbid the homies compliment each other's best qualities.
>>151364547was a weird line but just hope it's friendo stuff
>>151364547I'm thinking this is a case of good old fashioned queerbaiting. Keeping it ambiguous so the show doesn't turn into Hazbin Hotel (the tale of the mixed race lesbian couple in the supernatural hotel that only has 1 real guest per episode at most)
>>151364547Yeah it does seem like it's pretty obvious. I figured it was initially just Esther being awkward as fuck around her first real human friend her age but it quickly seemed like it was supposed to be more. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the second season they do become a thing. Or it could just keep just her being gushy and awkward around Heather for the cute factor and nothing else. I'd be fine with that. She promised her first born so getting knocked up is something she's planning so could just be she bats for both teams I guess.
>>151366286Ben clearly bats for both teams, so it's not out of the question. Personally, I'd interpret the awkwardness as Esther having no female friends before (or hasn't in a long time) and being overexcited because she can bond with Heather over things she can't with her brother or Abaddon. But I wouldn't be surprised if romance was the angle the show is going for. There's no way Esther is giving the cult her kid if she does get pregnant. She will finagle her way out of that deal like a pro.
>>151366942>Nathan invested in Beanie Babies 30 years too late to try to make back the money he gambled awayCanon.
>>151366286>>151365947>Bats for both teamsThe true ending Also yeah just a bit of cuteness and her being mean but adorable, kind of would prefer them not becoming a thing as it's just so common to get yuri but I also am a estherdon fan so i'm bias.
>>151365947>>151366286Esther doesn't have any friends & beams with joy at Heather already considering them friends. She's just awkward & giving a compliment. Not everything has to be lesbians.
>>151367225Yeah the writing seems like it points to Esther and Heather but I'd prefer she just keeps her options open. And I liked her with Abaddon too so I'd like that. Honestly that pic you posted would be the perfect middle ground. Make them a goofy trio and see what happens.
>>151367407Honestly sad they didn't do that, really hopefully with the fandom loving esther and abaddon the most hope they push more of them. I hate that most of their interactions are fanon, we need at least 2-3 good esther abaddon adventures next season.Probably why I'm not a big fan of heather, she fine design wise but she has no real personality. I feel instead of her we could have had some peak abaddon esther moments, as both are two of my faves and together they'd be a horrorific duo. But them as kind of a trio could work kind of heather reigning them in or something but really sadly it falls a bit as that's what ben does as well so kind of back to nothing special with esther.
>>151367494I mean, Heather has only really had three appearances and in her first she barely got to do anything. Her second with the fluff balls she helped out and in the end of the connect four thing she helped Abaddon out. Not much but we get an idea of what we're working with for her. She's the normal girl which contrasts with the family that's steeped in supernatural. She's a bookish type while Esther is a scamp. They've got that contrasting thing going on. But similar when she helped Abaddon. All the bits with Heather wouldn't have worked with anyone else since they relied on either taking part in Esther's school or being a third party. She's got her role and I don't think it can be said that role could have been given to Abaddon.
>Do you think abaddon would accept esther?
>>151367676Well feel esther is the bookish one anyway, which is weird when esther comes to her for supernatural expertise since well that's esther thing as shown in the esthercist and other eps where she mentions everyone should learn black magic.I think all roles should be given to the cobra king, but you aren't wrong just feels she's a bit to basic smart black girl. Not even like tucker from danny phantom with some pizazz or webby's snarky/overly smart friend in ducktales. Idk want her to have some edge to her and not feel like bread the character she's just flat as of now to me but again might be overthinking her
>>151367682>Esther, you want to go to Hell that badly? I'm flattered.
>>151367676>But similar when she helped Abaddon.I do like that they got along well together off the bat. Abbadon ask for a favor later (like a deaal with the devil) she just says yes. Turns out it's for connect 4.Also just putting a stupid idea out there. Esther since the episode where she saw her mom has sex, grew an aversion to the idea of sex. Heather and Abbadon help her get over by giving her cuckqueen therapy lessons.
>>151367739They read different kinds of books.
>>151367832Also should also say this is on top of another theory. We talk about an episode where Abbadon is separated from the boy body. My headcanon is eventually when he returns to his body, he's no longer a demon trapped in the body of a little boy but the boy himself.
>>151367832>Heather and Abbadon help Esther get over her sex aversion by giving her cuckqueen therapy lessons.Now there's an idea. Heather trying to look up how to sex by the book, Abaddon using his wild demon boy energy to go nuts, and Esther watching all the while slowly trying to overcome her aversion as the feeling in her pants gets stronger. However many sessions it takes. I like it. Gives the trio another thing to bond over.
>>151367739I don't really see Esther as reading to get all that magic, ghost, and demon knowledge. The way she acts it seems more like she tricked, connives, or bartered for it from ghosts and other weird supernatural elements to teach her. She doesn't seem the type to have the patience to just look it up or read a book.
>>151366470How is Ben bisexual, out of curiosity?
>>151368260He was way too excited to kiss himself, and wanted to go farther than that. That's my only concrete evidence, though, so it's possible that was a one-off joke and he's straight as an arrow otherwise.
>>151368260Ambiguously bisexual We don't know if he considered kissing his reflections to be gay or masturbation.Ben also throws up a lot of queer bait like giving style tips to his mom, not immediately telling the possessed journal "I'm not gay" when it reveals it is male, and of course by having one of his reflections be "cat Ben." But he is still young, so who can tell?
>>151368407Makes you wonder how far he would have gone with the other Bens, given enough time.
What do you think MILF Esther is like?
>>151364312>>151366470>Abaddon helping her scam the cult as revenge against their deity
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>>151367816>WAIT!! Do you go to hell for that?>>151367871but her books are about actual crytpids and magic why would she need a nerd>>151367970Ok I can see this actually I'm sure she's gotten a few spells from abaddon for a yogurt or a yoyo
>>151370561Sometimes we need science to solve a supernatural issue.
>>151370582>Abaddon: that's why I bought this thing you people call a Gggguuunu?
>>151370561>Of course sodomites go to Hell. It's in the Bible.>How do you know? You can't read.>Hmm. Touché.
>>151370615His ass didn't buy anything.
>>151369637>Abaddon is irked she'd dare deal her first born to anyone other than him>A: I was right here if you wanted to sell a child in a contract.........D...do you think their stuff is more p...potent than mine?>E: Ah don't be like that abby.....they just have d..different skills than you>Abaddon took offense, and began screeching at her>A: SO YOU DO THINK THEY ARE BETTER YOU HARLOT OF A LESSER GOD!!!>Esther raised her hands to try and calm her demonic friend>E: No No No one is better just.........different>A: It's because I'm stuck in this form isn't it>Abaddon began to sulk and look away>Esther gave him a pat on the back>E: I like your form abby, and no one is a demon prince like you>He was reinvigorated by this thought>A: y...your right....YOUR RIGHT LET'S GO KILL SOME WHORES>E:.......Witches>A: Oh esther >He said flippantly as he grabbed a hatch and made a make shift flamethrower>A: They are the same thing>As they met with the witch cult of the moon, esther was much more confident with abaddon with her>They'd find a way to break the contract she thought>As she did, the leader of the witches rised from the ancient marsh a bony withered baba yaga >Her voice echoed and her eyes glowed as she stated>Witch cult leader: Begone demon this maiden's womb belongs to us>This made esther nervous she didn't know how to scheme her way out of this one. >This overbearing aura and malicious maybe she was in over her head>then abaddon grabbed her hand and stepped forward>This reassured esther she knew her friend would be her lifeline>He was so confident and steadfast his eyes furrowed and glowing red>He bared his fangs at the so called deity >He was like her knight she thought, what more can a girl wan.......>Then she heard what he screamed at the moon witch>Abbaddon slapped his hand against her lower abodmen, causing her a little jolt and letting out a strange yelp>A: LISTEN WELL MOON WHORE!!! THIS IS MINE THIS IS WHERE MY BABIES COME FROM
>>151370792Implying he didn't learn how to use the computer during the 100 runs and didn't hide some wealth>>151370761>I was there when it was just a muse in the mind of a lesser man
>>151370885Abaddon completely wasted 100 opportunities to invest in Bitcoin in 2009. Useless demon!
>>151370885MAYBE by the 78th.
>>151370917Who's to say he didn't for all we know he re wrote history in his 100th runAbaddon made the tech bubble anon>>151370918well we see him with a computer on in one of his runs implying he now can use the computer
>>151371117Abaddooooon, are YOU the reason everyone's losing their jobs to AI? You little scamp. Full of bright ideas for torture, this guy.
>>151367970We see both Esther and Ben crack open plenty of books in this showThey read often, even though Ben has a phone. Haunted Hotel is a more optimistic depiction of kids than other shows that depict them as phone slaves. The fact that you see the most kid phone usage in the Rollyfluffs episode and the weapons the Freelings use to defeat the monsters are books and a musical instrument is a *subtle* suggestion that having an actual hobby is more powerful than getting wrapped up in the latest viral trend.
