Is he capable of writing anything good?
I wonder if an autobiographical comic would work. Or if his past is classified.
No, absolutely not. I hate that guy so much.Who is he?
for a second i thought this was chris pratt
>>151324449He'll probably be able to crank out a pretty solid resignation letter.
>>151324449one bad day the riddler
He's fine. People on Reddit or wherever will act like he is amazing. People here or wherever will act like he is the worst thing ever. That is about on par with most big mainstream writers now.
>>151324449I don't know who this is.
>>151324449Maybe if he was prohibited from using any existing characters. His main problem is that when you give him an established character, he always destroys and diminishes them. Force him to only write donut steels and all the toys he breaks are his own.
>>151324682Kek
>>151324734>He's fine.He really isn't.
>>151324449There was a time he was one of /co/'s favorite writers. Nowadays they'd say I was a liar and throw stones at me. OW!
>>151326603>There was a time he was one of /co/'s favorite writers./co/ is not infallible. They fall for hack writers all the time.
>>151324449Unrelated, but when is Donny Cates going to start putting out books again?
>>151326554Anon, everyone here is hyperbolic as fuck. There was a time people recommended Bendis Daredevil and put him on the rec lists but mention Bendis now and people go nuts. People here have no concept of context or real understanding of things. Everyone is shit. I am not defending him, I am simply saying that this is par the course with comics: all people do is complain about shit like characterisation. The average comic book writer is a hack. There are far worse hacks and jobbers. But people get angry at the guys that rise to the sort of blockbuster level only because they can do more damage at that level, not necessarily because they are worse than others.
>>151326964>Comic book writer Donny Cates, known for his groundbreaking runs on Venom, Thor, and Hulk, has announced his return to comics following a prolonged absence from the industry. The writer’s departure in 2023 came after a series of personal challenges, including a serious car accident in 2022 that resulted in temporary amnesia, forcing him to step away from several high-profile projects. As a result, his runs on both Thor and Hulk concluded prematurely, leaving numerous plotlines unresolved. Now, after nearly two years away from monthly comics, Cates has confirmed multiple new projects are in development, with announcements scheduled for this summer.
>>151324647I thought it was Geoff Johns.
>>151327101To be fair, he is wearing a hat...
>>151324734Even Reddit has started to hate him
>>151326603I 'member, but to be fair to the old /co/mrades there were so few passable Big Two monthlies back then that people were desperate for any kind of positive.
>>151327118The hat means he can write
>>151327118Yeah that's what threw me
>>151324449Yeah. He just makes really subversive plot choices like picking a character to be a huge butt monkey.
>>151324449Woman of tomorrowmaybe up in the skyvision?..thats it?
>>151327249Looks like a hat someone gave him to wear for a photo, very pro
>>151324449Sure, but he won't until he stops getting validation for writing the same story over and over
>>151327065It's not hyperbolic; comics are mostly crap. Almost all comic writers are passable at one or two things, and unsatisfactory at everything else. Comic book readers operate at different levels of desperation, so those one or two things done okay may or may not tide them over.Tom King seems to be good at structure and at exhibiting a veneer of sophistication. That's enough for most of /co/, with the help of decent artist (sometimes), until he writes their favorite character, then he's the worst writer that ever lived. The problem with /co/ is that then all the other shortcomings still don't become apparent. They keep falling for mediocre or bad writers.I think King is and has always been squarely in the camp of "bad" writers, and, yes, there are still many writers worse than him.
>>151324449Yes. I mean no.
>>151328089As someone who can tell I never sell a writer short at all, I even blame the artist more for anything, writing is tough but fun and writing comics is hyper funYou write batman crashes into penthouse and the artist does everything
>>151328578https://jimshooter.com/2011/07/storytelling-ran.html/
>>151328732Tell them thisWe are gonna make an animated movie with this imagine the drawings will move
>>151327329>maybe up in the skyUp in the Sky was OKAY. He's trying really hard to do what Gran Morrison did and he just lacks the humanity for it. And you can just smell the pretension coming off him. Like I can just picture him there, extremely proud of himself for that last line on this page, thinking he just came up with the most clever and profound thing possible.
>>151328777And It would help if I posted the damn image.
>>151328777Is exactly what Grant does, what Grant does has is forethought, this is harder than it looksLike character walks to the corner to find...
I also wanted to say, and I haven't read a lot of his work but I understand this is a habit of his, that he'll just like repeat a core phrase, like it's supposed to be powerful. Like the story ends with superman keep saying NO SIR, I WILL or variations of it to show how determined his and that's not really the way Superman talks to bad guys. It's like there's almost a pretty good story here but then he just fucks it up by pure ego.
>>151328810Is the way superman talks in his stories superman doesn't mention his typewriter anymore cause is not the 40's
I was thinking in their art dilemma and am sure is just mentioning what background the next scene will have
>>151328826That's not a sentence.
>>151328894Clark kent mild mannered reporter born around the 90's never used a typewriter to do his reporter job
>>151328826huh
>>151329592Is a thing not because clark kent talked about his type writer means is the way superman talks
>>151328810Yep he did that shit constantly during his Batman run. >i will break your damn back>did you break his damn back?>I am here to break your damn back>you better break his damn backOr on another occassion when talking to Catwoman>he beat you>he beat me, didnt he>you are beatenThis kind of hack bs is catnip for midwits
>>151327091Crossover is coming back BABY!betting all on BLACK.
>>151327065Bendis and King, have their gimmicks that people got sick of. It happens to better writers, like Alan Moore (remember all the moore=rape jokes?), so it's not exactly their fault. But where Moore could allow himself to stop writing and allow the public to get the nostalgia rolling, these guys depend on the paychecks. So people continue to notice bendispeak and Bat. Cat.
>>151324722Killing Joke, mad libs edition.
>>151328810>>151329705It's like hack comedians doing forced callbacks
Elmer Fudd vs Batman was good, will probably stand as his best work.I liked Omega Men and Vision when they first came out. Have not revisited. That's it
>>151331015None of these are good.
>>151331758look i hate him as much as the next guy but i can also apply critical thinking and not make sweeping generalizations.explain what was wrong w elmer vs batman
>>151324449
>>151331866>look i hate him as much as the next guyClearly not. The next guy hates everything about him.>explain what was wrong w elmer vs batmanI don't remember anything about it. Explain what was good about it and the other two. Apply some of that critical thinking.
>>151324449If he is he has yet to do it.
>>151332100>Explain what was good about it and the other two.Fudd vs Batman straddles a good line between tongue in cheek & genuinely sincere noir. Its paced well and compliments the art. The dialogue is entertaining. Its a nice "done in one" adventure with batman that also has fun with the looney tunes without ironically shitting on them.And there's none of King's pretentious "woe is me" masturbation in it. Its just a nice competently done story --- its not a unique credit to King, but he doesn't get in the way of it.>Visionits been a few years since I read it but I liked it as a good standalone Vision book with dark sci fi suspense. Again it complimented well with the art and the voices were allowed to be themselves (as opposed to ever character having "bendis speak"). Again there was no weepy King pretentiousness to me. It wasn't until Mr. Miracle where I first found him to be insufferable >Omega MenI haven't read it since it came out. I only picked it up because of Kyle and while I didn't like the chapter to chapter directions with Kyle, it ultimately landed in a place I enjoyed. It was before I was aware of King's whole schtick. I enjoyed the whole DCYou initiative and accepted that the books were supposed to feel kinda Elseworlds/Vertigo/Marvel Knights-esque. The goal was to create standalone stories Also just remembering >GrayonWas my favorite of the DCYou era and A LOT (probably MOST) of the credit goes to Tim Seeley but fair is far: King was co writer on that.
>>151329596I'm becoming retarded reading this.
>>151324449Yeah, he’s put out good stuff. The majority of hate for him on here is because he got popular after getting put on Batman so everything he’s ever written ever was literal SHIT on a CANVAS despite /co/ fellating Grayson and Vision when they were running. A lot of hate for him on other places is because DC was acting like Batman and Catwoman were actually gonna get married during his run, having midnight release parties and everything for the issue, knowing full well that’s not how the issue turned out. Now anyone with half a brain would know that wasn’t going to happen given how hard DC had been working to unmarry Superman since they did that and weren’t gonna put Batman in the same quagmire but DC was going all in on the rug pull and King got the heat for it. I’m sure there are people who genuinely don’t like his writing and hate him but he’s never done anything to earn the vitriolic hate he gets on here like say Slott or Bendis has.
>>151329596What?
>>151331015>>151331866Eh, I thought his Elmer Fudd book was just alright. A gimmick comic carried by the fact it's a straightforward noir story except it features Looney Tunes characters. A funny little one-shot from a novelty standpoint but not that noteworthy otherwise. Omega Men and Vision suffer a lot from noticing just how formulaic he's become and they're basically the same kind of story he always tells.
>>151332992Thanks. I'm looking at the Fudd comic now and it's a mild joke that goes on too long. It's strung along by the most recognizable Looney Tunes references, some repeated in case you missed them, with a boilerplate noir tale as a vehicle. In my opinion, not a very good story and it only has a couple chuckles. Overall inconsequential and not super entertaining. The art is alright. I rate it a 3/10.
>>151328810King is one of the worst character writers of all time. full stop. Even the faggots who enjoy his trash will usually admit this. Everyone has the same voice, nobody sticks to prior characterization.
>>151333288>I-I-I-it’s just shippers! Kill yourself
>>151333754>A funny little one-shot from a novelty standpointGiven the sheer volume of shit comics pumped out for decades, sometimes this is enough to be entertaining. Not everything has to be in contention for next greatest thing ever. The question was "is tom king capable of writing something good?" Fudd vs Batman is a "yes" answer. and thats all it needs to be.>Omega Men and Vision suffer a lot from noticing just how formulaic he's become and they're basically the same kind of story he always tells.Yeah I get it, I'm trying to place them into the context of what they were at the time they were published. I do the same thing for Bendis. He became atrocious later o, but his early crime/marvel knights stuff was entertaining. >>151333288I think King does deserve scorn. Heroes in Crisis is one of the most cynical misanthropic hitjobs I've ever read. It might be the nadir of his career. He is a nepobaby whose mom was a WB exec for 20 years and its given him access and opportunities that others deserved.
>>151333844>Heroes in CrisisOkay you got me with that one I legitimately forgot that was a thing. But I think most of that came from Didio wanting to further bury Wally West
>>151328089>It's not hyperbolicPeople ARE hyperbolic when describing everything as either best thing ever (overhype) or worst thing ever. The extremes suck. Yes, comics are mostly crap, great comics are rare and the average comic is bad. >Tom King seems to be good at structure and at exhibiting a veneer of sophistication. That's enough for most of /co/, with the help of decent artist (sometimes), until he writes their favorite character, then he's the worst writer that ever lived. The problem with /co/ is that then all the other shortcomings still don't become apparent. They keep falling for mediocre or bad writers.I pretty much agree with most of this. People do get caught falling for gimmicks of new writers until they realise their pattern.>I think King is and has always been squarely in the camp of "bad" writers, and, yes, there are still many writers worse than him.People just don't acknowledge the latter part that there are worse writers because people get hung up on complaining about the same lightning rods. I just hate that cycle of controversy.
>>151333844>nepobaby momma's boyHis mommy issues were very prevalent during his Batman run. It was strange and embarassing to read sometimes. You expect this kind of shit from spoiled Karens writing for Marvel TV slop and putting their daddy issues on the screen for everyone to see but not from a self-respecting man writing for the flagship title. I have heard he is also a CIA plant, same as his mother was for WB, but I obviously have no way of ascertaining that. People who are familiar with the industry blame him in particualr, among others, for coming up with blacklists of "problematic" creators (basically anyone even slightly right of Portland). My main issue with his Batman characterization is that he wrote him as weak and ineffective. To be fair, there is an overarching narrative that becomes apparent towards the end; Batman almost dying during the first issue, then going on a suicide mission at Waller's behest, then almost getting hitched to Catwoman, then having his first son almost die on his watch... it all points to a massive midlife crisis that Bane was able to orchestrate and take advantage of. King was essentially trying to re-enact Knightfall for a "modern audience". Ambitious, I guess, but lacking in execution. When he got yanked off the title people used to say it was over low sales and I believe it. You must have fucked up bad when even your nepo armor cannot protect you from a firing
>>151334158>When he got yanked off the title people used to say it was over low sales and I believe it. You must have fucked up bad when even your nepo armor cannot protect you from a firingYeah, King stated from the beginning that his run was going to be 100 issues long. Bob Harras didn't like it and particularly hated Knightmares, a seven issue dream sequence. Once sales slipped enough to justify it, he told him to wrap it up. Though bat-editorial gave him a 12 issue maxiseries plus one annual plus one special as a consolation prize for the missing 15.
>>151333844>Given the sheer volume of shit comics pumped out for decades, sometimes this is enough to be entertaining.NTA, but it's not enough for me. Call me a snob, but there's so much good media to dig through. Comic writers must do better, rise up to meet expectations, instead of us settling for anything that makes a blip because it's not total shit.
>>151333791Also, that cartoony comic at the end ("Rabbit Season"?) is unfunny dogshit.Like a 1/10.
>>151334878i'm not saying settle. i'm saying that sometimes a comic can be uniquely entertaining as a simple one-shot
>>151333791I feel like people like the idea of it more than they like the book itself
>>151333844>people who like bendis’ dogshit daredevil and alias are Tom king fansMakes perfect sense
>>151336246I see Bendis comics as comics for people who don't care about the medium.
>>151336246>>151337008what a giant leap of bad faith bullshit
>>151337356How so?
tom queen lol
>>151337008Bendis comics are comics for people who think the peak of storytelling is two shitty boring people yapping about nothing while sitting in a New York cafeteria.
I might read one of his comics. What's his best?
>>151338426An odd one-shot he did a few years back in which Batman teams up with Elmer Fudd to solve the murder of Silver St. Cloud. It is a faux noir kind of story
>>151326964fuck donny cates
>>151338426batman
>>151339452That's gay.
>>151338541His best comic is a 3/10? >>151333791>>151339516I heard that's one of his worst?
>>151338426Don't.
>>151324449No, but his Mom is a wb exec.
>>151324504Every comic he makes is autobiographical. Or a larp.
>>151341162But if you had to choose one, which one?
>>151324682kek
>>151340492>>151342636Idiot.
>>151335291>that cartoony comic at the end ("Rabbit Season"?) is unfunny dogshitI just read it and fucking hell it's worse than I could've imagined.Why does it go on for so long? A good editor would've made it 2 pages max.
>>151341641>google it>its true
>>151341641His mom is also his wife.
>>151327065>There was a time people recommended Bendis Daredevil and put him on the rec listsThey still do.
>>151332992>Fudd vs Batman straddles a good line between tongue in cheek & genuinely sincere noirIt's nothing special except Fudd is an actual badass instead of the buffoon he usually is and King writes a decent Fuddspeak and then at the end the men are dumb and the woman outsmarts both, just like in every King comic>VisionMelodramatic bullshit in which again the woman is more competent. Revisiting "Vision gets a family" again like a hack and the dialogue was robotic and before you shitpost, the humans talked robotic too and this made him shift to the robotic dialogue he's used since.>Omega MenPeople freak out about Kyle speaking spanish because they're stupid, a bigger problem is how Kyle was hung up on Carol and then a few issues later is fucking Kalista, or when Kyle just beats the shit out of Tigor without his ring just to show how badass he is, this is a recurring theme with King where he'll show a previously known to be weaker charcter beat a stronger one but not through any strategy or anything just a brawl because King thinks if he ups a character's power level it makes the character cooler, he did this in Vision too. And again at the end the woman is the smartest and is the one that wins. The actual ending as in the last couple of pages are good though, his best ending in a comic.>GraysonThis was good and credit is where credit's due, the King issues were better than the Seeley issues, significantly. Grayson just shows that King could've been a decent writer if he had a good editor. Anyway, they leave prematurely and the ending is shit and unsatisfying because a year and a half, probably more of issues are squeeze into 4 issues.The guy is a terrible and pretentious writer that has issues with women because he was raised by a single mother.
>>151333891That's just because you're a self centered wallyfag. Since then King has treated Orion, Adam Strange, The Green Team and Creeper even worse. Hell, his Batman is incompetent as fuck and always gets belittled and told by other characters. For as much as you cry, his treatment of Wally was not as spiteful as Adam Strange.
>>151346120>King writes a decent FuddspeakIt was dry writing where he did Find and Replace 'r' with 'w'.
>>151346543I said decent, not great. It's the best thing about the issue anyway.
>>151324449occasionally, yeah
>>151346120>The actual ending as in the last couple of pages are good though, his best ending in a comic.No, that was also retarded. The US government doesn't have any jurisdiction over Kyle Rayner, what would the Guardians have to say about this? How does a backwater mudball like Earth have the clout to become "the head of the Galaxies Committee" and spearhead an intergalactic war? With what tech and what army? They have a good number of superpowered individuals who are great at defending the planet from invasions, but not to use as a conquering force. Guy was just jerking off over his forced War on Terror allegory.
>>151346048And they're wrong for it.
I'm glad King is getting dismantled with actual analysis. People need to stop falling for poor writing.
>>151324449>writing anything goodFFS
>>151349517What is that from?
>>151350122Probably from a comic book.
>>151348077>"the head of the Galaxies Committee"I forgot about that, that was pretty stupid but it's a very... Tom King to do. Other than that, the military getting involved in superhero stuff and alien invasion is not something new or particularly bad. It was fine here and the War on Terror allegory worked out decently, especially compared to his other stuff. Not perfect, but still his best ending.
>>151351451It doesn't make sense in the context of the setting, it's incredibly forced. It might have worked better if he had made some edgy grim and gritty Legion of Super-Heroes story where the President of the United Planets tells the Legion kids to invade a planet for its precious oil. That would require King to be more than a secondary though.
>>151324449No. He's a glownigger cancer. Any other dumb questions before you suck your next cock, OP?
>>151324734>LE ENLIGHTENED FENCESITTERPlease end your life.
>>151352534Legion of Super-heroes takes place in the future, you moron. And what context, that's the first time you see earth. I agree that he "upped the power level" of Earth's importance in the "Galaxies Committee" but this is like the Kyle speaks spanish criticism, it's a nothingburger, there are worse things in the story and there are worse things in his other comics.
>>151340492>even his good stuff is crap?Read the thread, it is pretty unanimous that the man is a nepobaby hack. You want a better taste of current day Batman try Zdarsky or Ram V
>>151352821>Zdarsky
>>151352785>Legion of Super-heroes takes place in the future, you moron.Yeah and? Then the story he wants to tell makes sense. Earth is a nothing planet in intergalatic affairs in the present DC universe. He came up with the allegory first and then tried to force it into a setting where it didn't make sense. It's hack writing.
>>151352593>LE MISERABLE CUNT Projection, we both know you're more likely to end yours.
>>151324449I am
>>151324449If he could just stop writing everyone as a whiny manchild sure
>>151355708He only writes the men like that.
>>151356042His women are just boring.
>>151324449Somewhat
