This shit is lame and gay
>>151334458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj49Y5-Hbtc
>>151334458Is Lunar a boy or a girl?
>>151335472Soleil's is a Soleil, CHUD!
>>151335472Yes.
>>151334458>>151334745>Sonic spindashes two parents for confiscating their tranny son's iphonelmao
>>151335815Explains why they’re choosing pushing an ideology over making money.
>>151335472Finding out is half the fun.
>>151334458But irl boomer parents will elbow drop their tranny children from the nearest rooftop.Like that chud granddad who refused to call his tiktok dyke granddaughter "then" and she went to bitch on tiktok to her dyed hair dykes how chuds are opressive.
The fuck is a sugar glider?
>>151335919Australian animal, like a flying squirrel. Absurdly cute. Extreme waste of a cool animal on this faggot.
>>151335929He's gay?
>>151335935"they" is some new flavour of pronouns tranny
>>151335984I don't see a they on that page though.
>>151335919I had a girl I crushed on as a teen who was obsessed with sugar gliders. She became mentally unhinged after having a baby, and wanted to steal other peoples children for herself.
>>151336002Was she Australian?
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>>151335984>>151336000The official line with Lunar is that it only goes by it's name. So it's pronouns are Lunar/Lunar which is some attack helicopter level bullshit.
>>151336020Awwwwww, lookit the little eyes.
>>151336013No. Canadian.
>>151336000read the video comic >>151334745whenever "Soleil" gets repetitive they all use "they". the parents, sonic, the others. Sounds very awkward.
>>151335887>Like that chud granddad who refused to call his tiktok dyke granddaughter "then"First pronouns now past tense? These fucking kids doing whatever they want to God's language!
>>151336054Ah. Just as bad.
Maybe they just wanna keep the gender a secret for some reason.
>>151336101No, Gigi’s been very proud of the fact it’s a new type of tranny on twitter.“ERMMM, people with no pronouns EXIST, chud!?” Etc
Soleil is a self-insert for Evan Stanley which is why they glorify internet addiction and an unhealthy relationship to Sonic.
>>151336514I thought Evan was a cis girl.
>>151334458Sega won't let Sonic cry but they're fine with this.
>>151334458Fancharacters the comic
IDW fans are having a meltdown right now because the CEO of IDW supports trump and israel
>>151336970oh man don't let them know about literally every other entertainment company in the united states
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>>151336970I thought IDW readers loved gay couples?
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Soleil glorifies all of the problems with fandom obsession and internet addiction. Does anyone have any self awareness?
>>151334458When will people realize sonic was never good in any media
Why am I supposed to feel bad for Soleil? This feels like anyone whose parents tell them to do something better with their life...if not worse because they get accepted anyway even though they did not change
>>151334458Still nothing about the robo-vampire or whatever the next non-Eggman villain is?
>>151337161Not yet. Seems to be whatever they're building up to for issue 100
>>151336970No shitCorporate America supports genocide of the middle east.
>>151336970Really? Because all I see are the same 3 accounts trying to make it look like people are having a meltdown and everyone else either going "I don't buy these comics anyways lmao" or shrugging their shoulders because you could throw a rock and hit 15 companies that secretly donate to the IDF
>>151337039It's very fitting that a smug Surge is the pfp. Imagine Surge trolling and posting stuff that'd piss people off.>sonic is secretly pro-eggman>he's also a closeted homophobe (source: penders)
What is the point of a Sonic spotter community? He is extremely well known.Do these writers even know the franchise?
So Soleil is just a one shot?
>>151337383threeshot
Issue so ass it contradicts the comic's own established continuity.
>>151337383>>151337395One on the face, one on the back, and the third inside.
There's a "Sonic Spotter" community and not good footage of Sonic despite the fact Sonic is a world famous celebrity and one of the first things established in the comic is that everyone knnows who he is.
>>151336970equivalent exchange from getting Tangle and Whisper in Crossworlds
What the fuck was the ending of the issue why was the family so hostile then?
>>151337093People just want to fuck big the cat
>>151334458Remember you CANNOT criticize IDW for whatever reason or else you are an Archiefag who wears diapers! This is canon, so it must be peak!
>>151337482The writers REALLY want to do a superhero comic in the vein of Spider-Man.
>>151334458>>151334745I really, really wanted to believe in Evan Stanley taking criticism of the comic to heart. But she's just too Tumblr-brained. Fire her. Let Daniel Barnes see if he can get Imada from the Blade of Courage manga to ghost-write like he talked about. I don't care. Just not this.I dread what she's gonna do with the "Belle meets Sage" arc in #84.
>>151334458It is 2025, anon. We don't use "gay" as an insult anymore.
>>151335919It literally doesn't matter all Sonic character are the same base with slightly different ears
>>151339541Just like black people!
>>151339284Have you seen her humans? She acknowledged they look horrible.
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>>151334458why is it so hard to just use sonic characters in a sonic comic? I don't keep up with IDW but every time somethings posted it's some new OC and none of the actual game cast are anywhere to be seen.
fuck off sl*shy
>>151339284I warned you cautiously optimistic types that her writing wasn't gonna get any better. You think someone who actively infights with coworkers to redeem the only popular villain in a rogues gallery-starved comic and was the architect behind the Clean Sweepstakes arc - the biggest meandering snorefest that anticlimaxes its only interesting aspects - was not an inherently bad writer?
>>151334458>There are people who run damage control for this
>>151339744>>151339763Lead Sega artist everyone.
>>151334458Reminder
>>151339905Am I fucking crazy or is this just a long winded way if saying>We have no fucking clue what to do what this character so don't expect any consistency
>>151339905This has to break NDA of some kind.
>>151339931Sounds par for the course for IDW Sonic.
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>>151339905>I can't really decide what to do with this character so we might give them a split personality Oh cool I had the same idea once. In 6th grade.
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>>151335815lol, a bunch of Sonicfags started shittalking or dismissing Pollock’s voice work as Eggman after he publicly supported Israel.We gotta let the “buying IDW Sonic directly funds the IDF” message spread around
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>>151340272Whats an IDF?
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>>151340272Modern sonic fans are truly dirt
>>151340326Mom's kinda cute
>>151340313Israel "Defense" Force.
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>>151340091>>151340101This art looks sort of dirty, the inking becoming really bold or thin out of random is annoying to look at
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Cannot believe I used to think ghosts of the future was good. What was my teenage self thinking
>>151340428Thats a cool mech.
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>>151340428It feels like this story could've been sort of good if it kept with the premise of being a three way dispute between Sonic and Shadow for the emerald while Lunar/Soleil infighting would continue.But, nah, let's rush through all the stuff that could be good and shove in Eggman because... I don't know.
>>151340116if i went to an acrobat show and some tranny sneered shitty catchphrases at me about chillicheesedogs like Sonic the hedgehog i'd demand my money backTails really is shit at psychology cause your parents sending you to your room does not turn you into The Joker>>151340137no that sounds like a VERY bad thing Tails, wtf? He just said that he is a compulsive klepto and is mentally ill>>151340152KEK shitnic really just assaulted two parents for taking away their kid's iphonehow much you wanna bet that iphone cover decoration is a twitter OC?>>151340172>libcuck parents calling the kid "their">>151340191this art is REALLY bad. did they not have time to do the lineart right?>>151340206yeah this artist or penciller is shit. Tails has the psychoku face in panel 4, almost like he's projecting about overly enabling parents being bullies to fight with them for no reason. Easy excuse to remove him from the plot i guess>>151340224>they'vealso GODDAMN the art is getting worse every panel. What is breaking exactly on the bottom panel?>>151340245>stay in a situation that's hurting youthese tranny characters are all the same i swear. also Sonic letting a villain go again lmao>>151340265please die please die>>151340281do Sonic characters say crap? sounds tonally dissonantalso the action here is terrible. and it's the same fucking trope of "Shitty corporate mascot i idolise tells my insert they're amazing and valid for no reason"
>>151340428...the backgrounds look ridiculously sloppy compared to the main figure
>>151340326Gayalso his mom has the body of a manalso parents shouldn't enable tranny kids to do everything they want>>151340343that top panel holy FUCK the art is degrading by the second>>151340361wtf is that 3rd panel lmao. and the 5th and the 6th and the 7th. I can't tell what is happening anymore>>151340380Tails is getting so smart his head is now 60% of his bodyalso the action makes even less sense>>151340428thank god Eggman is here to finally make this a story about fighting a giant robot
Let’s see here thenIDW is basically a shitty version of Sonic that’s too muddled into cleannessUK is a giant asshole that tries to be tragicSo what makes Sonic work from the original and how the fuck do we not fuck it up like these twitter / tumbrite millennials do it
>>151340555>UK is a giant asshole that tries to be tragic?
>>151340395>>151340411Shadow the Hmphhog
>>151340343>shadow: fuck them kids
>>151340525his/her/xer story about how xer parents should let xim be a free spirit is more important than action fighting, CHUD
>>151340380>Don't you dare attack our childFirst draft ass dialogue
>>151340614Shadow is a kid
>>151334458>Sonic is now about androgynous sissyboy clownsYUJI NAKA WINS AGAIN!
>>151340640Another trip to jail?
>>151340101there was a sonic dicksucker club already
>>151340585Oh there’s that sonic the comic series made in the UK back in the 90s, they made sonic a prick in it
>>151340281>Some literal who Troon OC can just perfectly perform a spin dash, Sonic’s signature (and really only fully unique) move just by ogling blurry pics of him on social mediaNot to derail the Thread or shit-fling, but I’m getting some real “Peach Obstacle Course” vibes from this.
>>151339784I mean, "Sonic goes to a new place and helps the new character of the week with their issues/kicks their ass for starting shit before moving on" is the basis to just about every other Sonic game from SA1 until now
>>151341299Everyone can spin dash
>>151341299Others can do the move, and they are a highly skilled performer. Holy shit what a retarded post.
>>151340411>"talk about anticlimactic"At least the comic is self-aware
>>151337090slashy...
The thing is, at least on a conceptual level, the base story is fine"Sonic helping a shy kid overcome their issues" is a simple, but effective story idea. The problem is that it's so woefully undercooked and rushed that it makes you wonder what the point of it was. Even the identity stuff is underbaked, which is a shame because a shy person dissociating into their ideal, cooler self is a neat idea, but again it's resolved before anything interesting can be done with it.That'd be fine if a) the actual story around it was interesting and b) it wasn't so clearly rushed for the sake of shoving Eggman into a story for the sake of shoving Eggman into a story. It almost feels like the creative team took the criticism of "too many OCs" to heart and is now just desperately trying to "get them out of the way" whenever they do show up so the comic can just be about Sonic vs EggmanI know some people just want the comic to be "Sonic vs Eggman", but if I wante that I'd just play the games. If you're gonna make a coimc with original characters, at least put some meat on them, make em feel cool, that kinda thing
>>151340101Yeah, you choked alright. Choked on a big fat cock, you whore.
Reminder that as long as you have certain obsessed autists and schizos in these threads, any actual discussion is impossiblefor any one good post like this >>151341437 you'll get a dozen shit ones
>>151340542>also his mom has the body of a manGiven what we know of the creator, are we sure they all are blood related and that is its "mom"?
>>151341437>make em feel cool, that kinda thingthis would get bitching as well because of insecure character fags
@151341437>redditspacing@151341467>samefaggingshiggy diggy
>>151341390>>151341352Guys you're going off script. You're supposed to agree with him and talk about how much you hate Ian Flynn, and be sure to use the term comicslop in your lines.
>>151341555Fuck him and his post
>>151341555Stanley is worse than Flynn.
>>151341437>It almost feels like the creative team took the criticism of "too many OCs" to heart and is now just desperately trying to "get them out of the way" whenever they do show up so the comic can just be about Sonic vs Eggman >>I know some people just want the comic to be "Sonic vs Eggman", but if I wante that I'd just play the games. If you're gonna make a coimc with original characters, at least put some meat on them, make em feel cool, that kinda thingSo it is just padding?
>>151339905Man, why this fucking people think those type of people are always good guys, I meet shitty people of all kinda why would those be the exception?
>>151341467Shut up you whiney little pussynot everyone's gonna suck off your corporate idol and be milquetoast and feeble when they speak. The comic is bad for all the reason people say they are, you whining like a fag only makes you look like a thin-skinned twitterina
>>151341571Stanley's artwork gives me a boner so she gets a bonerpass.
>>151340428this looks like it was drawn by three separate people at once
>>151341513Oh I'm well aware. Some people have this odd belief that new characters being cool or interesting somehow "demeans" the games cast or some shit. It's very dumb and very frustrating because that mentality has now crystallized within the comic itself to the point where none of the original characters are ever allowed to pose a meaningful challenge to anyone other than the other original characters. It means that someone like Surge can never be taken seriously because she's never allowed to pose a threat to ANYONE save for Metal Sonic. Even then, Metal Sonic almost owned her before Kit jumped in.People bitch about Surge being redeemed, but when your rival character isn't allowed to BE a rival, then what's the point of keeping them as such? Knuckles suckerpunched Sonic in their first appearance, Shadow got the better of him, and even JET beat him during the events of Sonic Riders!The last times a comic original character threatened the games cast were Clutch imprisoning the Chaotix and Starline hypnotizing Tails and Rouge, and both happened off-screen!You know why Enigma from the Chaotix Special was cool? Because she was allowed to do cool things and show that she was actually competent. I'd love to see her again because it means that the characters actually have to try against her>>151341594Yes and no. No because it feels like the Soleil/Lunar stuff was the point of this arc and location, but yes because it definitely feels like the creative team was either told or were under the impression that they had to have Eggman show up at some point because that's what a Sonic story is about.
>>151341673>Enigma from the Chaotix Special was cool? Because she was allowed to do cool things and show that she was actually competent. I'd love to see her again because it means that the characters actually have to try against her She was actually the antagonist and was instrumental to the plot.This story has Sonic almost...doing nothing. The entire conflict would probably get resolved on its own when Soleil probably ended up reaching their breaking point and SAYING something .
>>151341673I think it’s a bit funny sometimes they do pull the “they’re demeaning them!” card then quickly wish that the other characters would get shit on by them. Like lmao why are you like this?
>>151341437Ye, have to agree. Overall the story stuff is neat, but man does it speed through it really quickly. Shame, cause I do like the character design and the idea for the story could have been very sweet.
>>151341752I mean, Sonic being the inspirational figuer to nudge them into doing something isn't awful in and of itself. After all, I'm pretty sure a few of the Unleashed sidequests followed a similar formula. The issue is that it's extremely rushed. We barely get to know the characters and the location before it's just abruptly concluded. It's a shame about the location too, because Sequin is, at the very least, a conceptually interesting idea. But I def agree on Enigma being compelling because she actually gets to DO things and be part of the plot>>151341807For what it's worth, I do like Soleil/Lunar's design as well, and again, Sequin is a neat idea for a location, something which this series has finally begun to actually do instead of having everything take place in Generic Shitsville Zone Act 2 or whatever
>>151341673>Oh I'm well aware. Some people have this odd belief that new characters being cool or interesting somehow "demeans" the games cast or some shitI could be wrong, but this was a thing since the Archie days
>>151340272>>>/pol/
>>151341752>>151341844Enigma didn’t do anything. She threw kunai with Espio for one page, retreated, then they wasted the whole issue whining how “rich white museum BAD” at the museum owner instead of fighting her or letting her do shit.
>>151341969> “rich white museum BAD” Courae need to jump on this shit, when it was never a thing. Hate to say obvious, but the trope of "thief who wants to steal from museum and show art to the masses" aint a new concept and has nothing to do "with white people"
>>151342015Ain’ts not a word>courae need to jump on this shitGet your english in order before you try to talk to smarter peopleThey do the whole woke twitterite song and dance how museums are bad for being rich and western and preserving artifacts instead of “returning” them to savage idiots who destroy them.They never arrest or even pursue the thief. Vector just randomly knows she is the green bitch and lets her go because guess she did le nothing wrong, stealing from museums. So much for “doing shit”, she does nothing, is not even arrested, and just stands there going “sasuga Chaotix Sama…” for their amazing battle of her doing jack and the museum owner being the bad guy for owning a museum
>>151341622so you're one of the mentioned obsessed autists and schizos, got it
>>151339504Well, that's retarded.
>>151342087Look at this faggot thinking he knows English better than Charles Dickens
>>151342087>They do the whole woke twitterite song and dance how museums are bad for being rich and western and preserving artifacts instead of “returning” them to savage idiots who destroy them.They do not go about, you just want your beloved "Whaaa...muh white Americans are persecuted" faggotry, because makes your life seem less pointless. Again, bitching about museum aint even a Twitter shit, fucking manga did this in the 90s.>They never arrest or even pursue the thief.They arent cops, they're private detectives. Those cannot arrest anyone.
>>151342015>has nothing to do "with white people"Barnes has been pretty open when it comes to complaining about white people, which makes the implication in his own work pretty clear.On a similar note, I don't really get why someone would take an opportunity to write a story for an IP they're a fan of, and use it to simply regurgitate the same old "museums and the people who run them are bad" shit. I guess they thought the cartoon animal series was their best chance to say something really profound on the matter - and then didn't.
>>151340343Shadow: "I heard you had a weirdo here, I came to beat him up."
>>151340428Now that's how you make an entrance AND be on theme. Consummate professional, Eggman.
>>151339905Well alright then.
>>151342087Why does 4chan welcome you faggots' Victim complex?
>>151335472People came to the conclusion that it's a guy based on the way he's drawn, also he's apparently referred to as he at some point
>Reminder you can't have a proper discussion on this comic here because of obsessed autists>"nuh uh you faggot anyway let me derail this thread to still cry that the really clear and long-running-for-decades trope of a corrupt museum curator means my culture is being attacked"
Sonic's first ever therapy speak character, congratsWhy do people want this to be canon again?
>>151341673There was Mimic playing Silver for a fool multiple times and even breaking out of his telekinesis, something Sonic never could do. Then again the Silver in this comic is so wildly out of character and completely divorced from any game portrayal he might as well be a new comic character.
>>151342709I mean, Silver only had an apperance in Sonic06. Even in the Archie books, he wasnt really canon with his game personality, so you cannot even put this on IDW wanting him to have a lil goofy persona.
This arc continues this comic's problem of having neat ideas but doing nothing with them and playing it waaaay too safe.Also, I don't really understand this whole "no pronouns" thing, especially since Soliel gets referred to as "they" a few times.
>>151342813>Also, I don't really understand this whole "no pronouns" thing, especially since Soliel gets referred to as "they" a few times.Felt like writers hoped this way they can avoid more Twitter or schizo fag rants.>This arc continues this comic's problem of having neat ideas but doing nothing with them and playing it waaaay too safeYe, part of me kinda wishes we could have a smidge of Archie stuff, with writers being allowed to be less safe about stuff an go a tad bit wild.
>>151342786>I mean, Silver only had an appearance in Sonic06. He was in the Rivals series, and just because he doesn’t have a lot of spotlight doesn’t excuse the butchering of his character.>Even in the Archie books, he wasnt really canon with his game personality, so you cannot even put this on IDW wanting him to have a lil goofy persona.Most characters were out of character in Archie. It was its own bizarre world completely disconnected from the games, IDW was supposed to be canon. And even then Silver was more like his game-self than his IDW-self in the Dark Enerjak arc. Sure they humbled him in the traitor storyline but it’s nothing compared to the non-stop humiliation ritual he has in IDW.
>>151342813What part of this story is supposed be a good idea? A small tranny boy becomes a schizo thief because his parents took away his phone? There’s no making that idea good. This is garbage even if Evan was a good writer.
>>151342871>And even then Silver was more like his game-self than his IDW-self in the Dark Enerjak arc. Think that was like the only arc where he actually was allowed to shine, when it came to the Archie books.>Sure they humbled him in the traitor storyline but it’s nothing compared to the non-stop humiliation ritual he has in IDWYe, have to partially agree. I feel like they actually wanna play up the idea of him showing some of that "child wonder" as he grew up in a world of war an destruction, but I think they went a tad overboard with it.
>>151342899>>151341437 explains it better than I can
>>151339905Wait, so even they admit it’s a disorder? So calling them ‘they’ is just humouring them?
I feel like so many of these stories have fine concepts but dogshit execution either because of the writers being uncreative or are shackled by obvious stipulations and mandates that hamstring the plot and characters.
>>151343027It def feels like the later, cause when they did Archie stuff and didnt have SEGA watch over their backs, they were allowed to get crazy. For better or worse.
>>151343027Isn’t the whole reason they use OCs is that they have no restrictions like the game cast? Seems like the writers just suckass
>>151342991>Wait, so even they admit it’s a disorder?>So calling them ‘they’ is just humouring them?kek, now I wonder how long is going to take Evan to realize what she said.
>>151343046Mandates are used as an excuse a LOT, but a good amount of IDW's problems really do come down to the writers being legitimately bad at their jobs. Take Blaze's dimension. Turns out they had approval and carte blanche to explore & define it as they saw fit and actively refused to do it.https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxeAlOkokO1tmQ00A4LomSTH_maYXAX4NW?si=__j81JZzRYhm0M49>Q:Are there many mandates on using the Sol Dimension? It’s a bit disappointing to me how there doesn’t seem to be much interest in expanding on itIan: No. If anything, they were surprisingly receptive. Like when we showed Blaze's palace. That had never been established before and we asked specifically "Is there any unused concept or is there anything that we can do to be in line with the concept?" They didn't have art specifically but they did have design notes and technology levels and general themes to follow and so we designed it off of that. As far as I know that's kind of the working concept for it now? Maybe? The thing with the Sol Dimension is that it's just really hard to get to. You can only get there via the sol emeralds and those are only held by Blaze so to bring anyone there you have to have a bit of a circumstance. Blaze has to Ferry people over. There's Sonic Rush Adventure where it was vague how it happened, but I think ultimately it's kind of implied that the emeralds worked together, maybe?Kyle: The warp topaz blasted Sonic into Sol Dimension.Ian: With a supercharge. It wasn't just the warp topaz. It was warped topaz with Super Sonic charge to it. It's the same issue with Angel Island, multiplied by 10. Angel Island is hard to get to but at least it's on the same planet in the same dimension. Blaze's world is a lot harder to get to, and that's unfortunate because oh man, a whole other world to explore and expand and...build upon.Kyle: Get Knuckles off that rock and Blaze out of that stupid dimension.Ian: Watch, the island's gonna get beamed over to the Sol.
>>151343061I think if the OCs are involved with the main cast, thats when the restrictions come into play.
>>151341860No, it's 100% been a thing since the Archie days. It's just a lot more prominent and in your face now that it's plastered all over Twitter instead of stuck on some 15 watcher Deviantart account >>151341969That is still much cooler and more impactful than anything any of the IDW OCs have done in ages. >>151342709That too, but sadly that's undercut by Mimic himself being really, really lame. Seriously, he was about as threatening and imposing as a goddamn Scooby Doo villain. The ACTUAL Decoy Octopus had more impact and he fuckin died immediately I'm pretty sure>>151342813In terms of the "no pronouns" thing, I just kinda see it like Radical Ed from Cowboy Bebop: "Ed is Ed" and you leave it at thatBut I definitely agree that the comic plays it way too safe, and if anything, I'd argue it's only been getting safer. It feels so uncofident in its own ideas that it tries to immediately pivot back to Sonic vs Eggman or Sonic vs Shadow the moment things get spicy1/2
>>1513430992/2>>151343046I'd say it's a mix. Sega clearly cares a lot more now about all the Sonic stuff being tonally and aesthetically similar than it did back in the Archie days, which means that the creatives can't take the wild swings that they used to be able to. In Ian's case, that also means being robbed of his greatest strength in being able to take old lore bits nobody gave a shit about and completely revamping them a la Al EwingBut I also think it's everyone on board going so far in the opposite direction and playing it so safe that it becomes boring. Now whether that's because they want to appease Sega or make every possible Sonic fan reading it happy or some other thing, I truly can't say. But it's clear that the people working on this comic, even with the mandates in mind, are holding back significantly>>151343061Yes and no. The OCs have a lot less restrictions than the games cast in terms of what they can be, but it's become clear at this point that they're still bound by a lot of things, like this >>151343095especially. There's a reason the OCs end up in their own little "OC circles">>151343090This is what Sonic Universe literally used to be for, which makes this all the more frustrating
>>151334458>>151340428Yeah pretty much what >>151341437 said.I'm happy to get more low-stakes stories about Sonic helping out wacky characters sort out their issues. I especially thought the fight with the Lunar's family was fun, being new unique foes who aren't connected with Eggman and brawling over legit conflict rather than "we're evil." But damn this feels rushed as fuck. They hyped up Lunar a shit ton, and now in the span of like half an issue we learned her backstory, split personality gimmick, and apparently all conflict around her has been resolved. Like the parent's all the sudden unconditionally support her out of nowhere, and I still have no clue how the split personality works. Is it triggered by wearing the mask? Why is the alt personality stealing shit for no apparent reason when her normal self doesn't want to do that and it's getting her into trouble?I'm down for a story about a shy wallflower turning into an attention-seeking criminal from overwhelming stress, but this was lame.
>>151343118Did they really hype Lunar up that much? He's just in the covers of the story. I think the issue is just that fans are so used to Archie-style capeshit writing where everything is the biggest thing and most important thing ever as far as marketing is concerned, that the notion of "here's this episode's character" is lost. If that's the direction things have gone, which seems to be the intent of at least some of the writers, we'll probably need a few more cases of just "here's the new character for the new story, we're not hyping them as the biggest deal ever they're just about this story" for the fans to get the message.
>>151343280>Did they really hype Lunar up that much?I do recall there was def some hype behind Lunar. Mostly trying to build em up as this new mysterious figure who would be either friend or foe.
>>151343362Sure, but that's just usual "here's the new character" stuff in an episodic series
>>151336053They're a modestly popular pet in the US but you need to get them in pairs 'cause otherwise they get too lonely.
>>151343362Could've sworn there was the usual suspects crowing about "the first non binary Sonic character" too.
>>151343546There was some of that as well. But, most hype I saw was about the mystery part.
Huh, so after pozzing Transformers, IDW went on to pozz Sonic.
>>151343663>IDW went on to pozz Sonic.Archie already beat 'em to that.
>>151340428Huzzah, Eggman.
>>151343099>The ACTUAL Decoy Octopus had more impact and he fuckin died immediately I'm pretty sureFunny thing, he was supossed to have a whole boss battle, which got cut because the devs couldnt think how to use his disguise abilities for a boss fight. So, they insta killed him instead>That too, but sadly that's undercut by Mimic himself being really, really lameYe, was really digging him, but man did they fumble him and Whisper like crazy.
>>151339905"AWe didn't made first non-binary character in comic a villain. They're just a mentally ill clown."What did they mean by that?
>>151340436The art style was impressive for a webcomic in the early 2000s. And the writing had more bite to it and was willing to go off on crazier tangents. Much like the internet back then in general.>>151343385Okay but then why bother spending all this page space on them? Their parents are doing all the heavy lifting in terms of narrative appeal.
>>151344101>And the writing had more bite to it and was willing to go off on crazier tangents.I think it helps more that Ghosts of Future past was a fan comic. Unlike official IDW works, they arent held back by mandates or whatever, means they can go into any direction you want. Go dark, go silly, go romantic an etc.
>>151341437IDW makes me prefer Archie for its much better character development and overall character longevity because it wasn't sped up in short amount of issues.It also comes down to its biggest problem of little or no issues per month. Its no wonder why characters keep getting discarded because of how slow the comic is in their update frequency. You have to make things blazingly fast for a comic that updates on a pace of molasses.
>>151343893>Funny thing, he was supossed to have a whole boss battle, which got cut because the devs couldnt think how to use his disguise abilities for a boss fight. So, they insta killed him insteadHuh, didn't know that. The more you know, I suppose>Ye, was really digging him, but man did they fumble him and Whisper like crazy.Oh, 100%. I feel like he should've had a moment where he really got to FLEX, yanno? Like in his and Whisper's final fight, he should've pulled out all the stops and somehow started mimicking powers or some shit. Or fuck, give him a really good villainous rant since his backstory in the annual does at least provide some fun material for that>>151344413Oh, hard agree. For all of Archie's faults, it felt like a real ass comic where anything and everything could happen. One of the best parts of reading post-reboot Archie was opening up a new issue and seeing some cool new character or really interesting piece of worldbuilding that you know is coming up later. It took its time to establish a setting that felt lived in, with characters that felt like they were actually part of a cohesive world instead of just a jumbled collection of random locations>>151344150This right here is the core problem imo. Because of what the comic's forced to be, it can become something truly spectacular or exceptional. There's some really good stories in IDW, but they never hit the insane "holy shit I want this in the games" moments that Archie did. Sonic as a franchise is capable of so many kinds of stories, and it makes me sad that it's still stuck in this tiny, cramped box. It's been getting a bit less cramped over time but it's still cramped. You can do ANYTHING, so why not try?
>>151343118>They hyped up Lunar a shit tonliterally EVERYTHING IDW has ever hyped up ended up falling short. Just look at Surge.
>>151340446Man, there are some talented readers out there, good for them.
>>151341437>>151343118Thanks for putting the words down. I honestly thought Lunar was gonna be this mysterious thief that would be tripping up the heroes and Eggman for some grand scheme with the Emeralds. As I read this, it's no, this is some kids dealing with split personality stuff, but then yeah, it's just.. all solved here, like the writers didn't want to touch that subject. And if that's the case... why even make it a thing in the first place.
>>151336970I find it odd they canceled the Shadow miniseries, you'd think Maga and Trump types would support a story about a vengeful but prideful super extremist of traditional values and also treats liberals like Sonic and his friends like garbage.
>>151344739Nobody at IDW likes Shadow. Or at the very least, Evan Stanley likes HER version of Shadow over the canon one too much.
>>151340528Letting villains go actually feels in characters. Even Eggman gets to walkaway sometimes. Sonic will murder you for you since or let you go with slap on wrist, no in betweens.Deadly Six just got deported back home
>>151344558>Oh, 100%. I feel like he should've had a moment where he really got to FLEX, yanno? Like in his and Whisper's final fight, he should've pulled out all the stops and somehow started mimicking powers or some shitThe final fight between Mimic and Whisper should have been a straight up battle of wits. You have the best sniper vs the master of disguises in a crowded amusement park. These two should be having a Death Note style "I know whay you gonna do, despite you thinking you predicted my moves" encounter, instead of the three just ganging up on him.>>151344739>Maga and Trump typesThey're too busy jacking each others on Twitter and rambling how Archie was a flawless masterpiece.
>>151344797>Sonic will murder you for you since
>>151344824>You have the best sniper vs the master of disguises in a crowded amusement park. These two should be having a Death Note style "I know whay you gonna do, despite you thinking you predicted my moves" encounter, instead of the three just ganging up on him.Actually reading the comic, you get the impression that Whisper isn't really as much of a deadly sniper or a badass as most people believe she is.
>>151340101The "Sonic Spotters" thing feels off since Sonic kinda just walks around towns normally in IDW. Hell, he was at that fancy party in the last issue and no one batted an eye. Sure, some people are excited to meet him, but no one ever acts like it's weird or rare for him to be around.Soleil being a Sonic fan is fine, but the way it's portrayed just feels inconsistent with IDW's established lore.
>>151344848>Actually reading the comic, you get the impression that Whisper isn't really as much of a deadly sniper or a badass as most people believe she isSee, this would have been a cool idea. You have Whisper, whos build up as this bad ass through various stories or rumors, when shes compitent but not on the level stories have build her up, so now shes desperatly trying to live up to this persona because she fears everyone will abandon her if they see the real her.
>>151340380>>151340395>>151340411>>151340428Shadow should just kill them all. Isn't he supposed to keep the most of the planet safe from plunging into a chaotic state, technically Sonic is unreliable and too spontaneous with guarding the world from threats like Eggman and Chaos Emerald misuse. So Shadow should just kill everyone that makes a game out of risking the world with the chaos emeralds.
>>151344894Even if that could have been the plan at one point, like everything about Whisper it'd end up being eclipsed by her "relationship" with Tangle.
>>151340623Hes a grumpy old cynical ageless misanthrope immortal who's sick of this generations bullshit, and thats what I'm sticking with.
>>151344828For your sins*
>>151341299Everyone can do the Spindash, in fact the only person who can’t is Amy unless they have her that ability in the newest game.
>>151344774>Nobody at IDW likes ShadowMust be because his coolness is to abstract and unconventional to truly understand and enjoy.
>>151344936Shadow gets shit on every time he steps out of line. The best he can do is be a mild antagonist and be grumpy. The world revolves around Sonic and Eggman. Either you suck up to them or the universe slaps you across the face.
>>151334458Why does every Sonic adaptation always, without fail, devolve into OC shipping degeneracy? When you’re playing a Sonic game, has the possibility of this type of page ever come up? I feel like Sonic as an IP only ever attracts the worst type of writer that wants to use the character to launch their own furry SoL comic and put Sonic and the gangs fun adventures on the back burner as soon as humanly possible.
>>151345038Reminds me of the Archie books where Shadow would be written as either a huge dick or antagonistic bastard.>>151344942Ye, actually would probably further help Whispers arc, does Tangle like the persona that was build around Whisper or would she actually like the real Whisper. Now that would be more interesting "relationship" material.
>>151345068There's only two instances of Sonic devolving into OC shipping degeneracyy, and that's Archie and IDW. Why? Because they both had the same writers.
>>151340326wow this lunar thing sure amounted to nothing, literally over in 2 chapters. An it had the set up of literally 5ish issues and been in the works since the end of the shitty rider arc.What is idw even doing at this point you set up a top tier emerald thief even rouge acknowledges then it just turns into "wah my family doesn't accept me split personality" and all the drama and back story finishes in one chapter. Like they probably just added eggman because they realized damn nothing really happened need a true big bad, and doesn't even fit since eggman wasn't part of the hunt for lunar anyway.Unless their is a second heel turn in the next issue this might be the worst story/mini arc so far
>>151345070>Reminds me of the Archie books where Shadow would be written as either a huge dick or antagonistic bastard.Shadow in the Archie comics turned into a superhero after breaking ties with Eggman. He even tried to reform Metal Sonic like Sonic in IDW tried. He had a supporting cast that had his back and he smiled every once in a while. The only time he was truly evil was King Shadow.
>>151344932Uh you sure it posted right bud? Cause it says the same thing twice.Uh, you sure it posted right bud? Cause it says the same thing twice.
>>151345103Are you seriously surprised?How many IDW stories have ended this exact same way by now?
>>151345089I didnt know Ken also wrote for IDW.>>151345108I def recall they were going back'n'forth with him in Archie. Aside from King Shadow (which holy shit is a whole can of worms)there were some issues where hed work with Eggman.
>>151345120You must be new to these volatile threads where hostility is thrown not at the comics but at each other.
>>151345149>there were some issues where hed work with Eggman.Those were his early appearances and he barely did anything during that time. When Ian took over Shadow was bantering with Sonic and sometimes helping or just watching. He never really did anything bad during that time.
>>151334458Isn't it weird lanolin has hooves canonically when all mobian just have feet?
>>151345191>lanolin has hooves canonicallyyou can't prove this.
>>151339541It’s just complicated because they aren’t allowed to use the same species twice unless it’s for family members
>>151345206ABT has drawn her and her mother with exposed feet. Not like it matters because everyone in IDW not wearing the usual shoes have blob feet or wear crocs.
>>151345238ABT's personal version of Lanolin isn't canon. He has to say this when he posts his personal comics that show just how mentally fucked up she is.
>>151345206Yes I can >>151345238Because of this. She's barefoot in most of her concept art by ABT
>>151345123I guess now it's just official also this literally is the most incoherent and messy, as they set it up with a bunch of the epilogue stuff and made lunar seem like a big deal. Now it's just a depressed trans kid allegory for overbearing parents and they instantly accept themHonestly weird it's not just one or the other, they are "abusive" and need to accept them. Feels like just make it a misunderstanding not them basically being so aggressive then suddenly heel turn to loving and nice. But yeah idw is somehow worse than archie at this point, archie was bad but idk somehow this type of writing irks me way more than the worst archie cringe. As it feels like the writers don't even like sonic just using it as a vehicle for pushing ships and oc trauma dumps
>>151341673I’ll never understand the need for new characters. Sonic already has a massive cast of characters. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Robotnik, Metal Sonic, Charmy, Espio, Mighty, Vector, Bean, Bark, Silver, Blaze, Tikal, Chaos, Big, Emerl, Cream, Cheese, Shadow, Rouge, Omega, Gerald, Sage, DoDonpa, Jet, Fang, Rey, Maria, Orbot, Cabot, the Deadly Six, Mephiles, Storm, Black Doom, Nega, Wave and the Hard Boiled Heavies.Like there are so many already established characters to mine stories from. Tons that barely even get a mention these days. Not all of them need to be recurring, but they could at least appear. I didn’t even bring up the likes of Infinite and the other Metals. With such a massive roster of characters, why the fuck have we always got to rely on OC adventures in every comic? People aren’t pissed that it’s never just Sonic vs Robotnik, they’re pissed because so many of Sonics established cast sit there unused because we have to read page after page of Tangle and Whisper.IDW always pull this shit. They did it with TMNT and Transformers too.
>>151345267>>151345238If you accept this then you also have to accept Evan's vision that Shadow is bisexual.
>>151345255Um you can't use the creator as a source
>>151345268>they set it up with a bunch of the epilogue stuff and made lunar seem like a big deal. Now it's just a depressed trans kid allegory for overbearing parents and they instantly accept themI'll bet you a 7-11 eclair that Evan had a bigger, "deeper" story in mind that ended up getting cut down because Sega rejected her ideas when it was too late to just drop the whole arc.
>>151344824>>151344848Once again, she runs into the issue every IDW OC runs into where they can't actually be as cool as they're hyped up to be because that'd mean they'd possibly, MAYBE threaten to overshadow the game cast. >>151344942I can't even blame the writers for leaning into Whispangle: since you can't have Whisper be this uber badass sniper due to the aforementioned reasons, leaning into what quickly became the fan favorite dynamic is the obvious play>>151345070That being said, I really do like this idea, especially since, for all intents and purposes, this dynamic DOEs at least somewhat exist. The Whisper we see today is very much a persona built up after the shit Mimic pulled. Maybe Whisper's scared to let go of that because without it, who is she? Is she still herself? And more importantly, will Tangle like her for who she really is, not who she purported herself to be.Actually, that could lead to some fun interactions with Lanolin, another character who built themselves up around a persona. I think you're onto something here, anon>>151345108God I miss Archie Shadow. He wasn't perfect, but he was fun to read and had dynamics with characters outside of Rouge and Sonic. Him having a rivalry with Knuckles and a violent relationship with his half brother was really fun! Eclipse was such a fun concept I'm sad hasn't made its way to the games!
>>151345283Bisexual? I thought he was gay. He's black after all
>>151345322>The Whisper we see today is very much a persona built up after the shit Mimic pulled. Maybe Whisper's scared to let go of that because without it, who is she? Is she still herself? And more importantly, will Tangle like her for who she really is, not who she purported herself to be.This idea kinda falls apart because Whisper usually acts like she never knew what it was like to be a functional person, she treats Tangle forcing her to be more social as something she's completely unfamiliar with.
Am I going crazy or is both the art and story quality going rapidly downhill for these comics of late? Are they having budgetary issues? The whole thing feels rudderless. Say what you want about the Zombot and Clutch shit but at least there was a clear sense of progression and quality art.
>>151345108>>151345322>Lame and Jobber crybaby Archie Shadow Sorry hard pass. Id prefer idw Shadow over that.
>>151336020Can you eat it?
>>151345367Ye, that always was a very weird dissonance. Cause we see in the flashback shes functions like a normal person. Cutting yourself from others can damage ones social behavior, specially if its been for a long time. But, you dont turn into a stranger from the strange land that goes "What is sadness?"
>>151345387>of lateIDW was shit since the first issue
>>151345387>Say what you want about the Zombot and Clutch shit but at least there was a clear sense of progressionThe fuck are you on about? The Zombot arc was painfully protracted and took forever to end. Bringing in the fucking muppets was what finally made people admit they just wanted it to end already.Clutch was just a whole lot of nothing.
>>151345270The funny thing is, there's actually a lot LESS to pull from than you thinkI threw together a quick tierlist of how usable most of the game cast is in these comics, and it's surprisingly slim. A lot of them are either situationally usable (Babylon Rogues, Dodonpa), stuck in the "Classic Only" mines (Fang, Ray, Mighty, etc), or flat out unusable (Infinite, Mephiles, Doom)Even ignoring that, the fact is that, to a lot of people, the OCs *are* the draw for this comic. You can see Sonic vs Eggman anywhere, but Tangle, Whisper, Surge? People come to the comics for them becase they find them interesting or at the very least, enjoyableI've talked to very casual fans of the franchise who enjoy IDW because they like Surge and want to see her in stuff.>>151345367Perhaps that comes from her being so deep into her persona that she's scared to let it go. When you put yourself in a specific mindset for so long, it's hard to break out, especially when you associate the alternative with painful memories>>151345387Eh, I disagree. This issue's art isn't great, but the ones before it had some very solid art. Meanwhile, a lot of the Metal Virus issues just looked kinda ugly. The thing I remember the most about that arc is how washed out and bad the art looked for long stretchesAlso while I miss longer arcs, I'm glad the Zombot arc was the one and only mega arc the comic had because holy shit, Ian's pacing during it was almost as bad as Iron Dominion!>>151345447Do not get me fucking started on the massive pile of hideously wasted potential that is Clutch. How do you take the INFINITE BOX OF IDEAS that is "organized crime in Sonic the Hedgehog" and waste it so, SO fucking badly?!?
>>151345321>Evan>DeepSurely you jest anon, if it was evan she'd make it much more trans allegory coded or more crying and apologizing. Probably be a whole chapter or 2 of sad backstory, she is the same one who took surge who even ian said was meant to be a villain to a crybaby sad girl victim.
>>151345440Making Shadow nicer and more heroic is subjective. But making him constantly made fun of by Sonic and others for trying to prove his place in a op setting while losing, as well as overshadowing him in his own damn chaos abilities does not make him a better character. It's more a humiliation than improvement.
>>151342623NTA, but what is the offending page in question?
>>151345500The quotes were there for a reason.
>>151345488>Tangle, Whisper, Surge? People come to the comics for them becase they find them interesting or at the very least, enjoyableand I don't respect these people's opinions or consider them capable of critical thought.
>>151345488>How do you take the INFINITE BOX OF IDEAS that is "organized crime in Sonic the Hedgehog" and waste it so, SO fucking badly?!?It felt like Clutch was supposed to be like Mammoth Mogul or Breezie, but at the last moment they needed a twist how again Eggman was involved with this
Shadow would deadname you and then offer you his gun.
>>151345559I miss BreezieT.NotMetal
>>151345608What was so good about Archie Breezie besides the fact she was a female?
>>151345559They realized it’d raise too many questions how you can even profit in a world Sega doesn’t allow to have money
>>151345550Are you going to pretend those characters are particularly worse than the ones from the games?
>>151345633The game characters have actually DONE shit worth liking them for in the games. I don't know what the IDW OCs can be lauded for, but I suspect these people see things that aren't actually there, especially in the case of Surge.
>>151345659>The game characters have actually DONE shit worth liking them for in the games.Most of them haven't done anything like that in any game released in the last 20 years
>>151345616Someone that wasn't just an ebin Eggman, nor a total schizo with extreme delusions like Metal. Just a humble jew with a casino
>>151345631Didnt they use rings as currency in a few Sonic games? Heck, even Archie was smart with that concept.
>>151345522true, but it wasn't sarcastic enough kek. At this point evan might be one of the worst sonic writers all she's really done is make a bunch of terrible female mcs who cry, seethe and lez out
>>151345703>At this point evan might be one of the worst sonic writers.Nah, I still think Ken wears that crown with pride until he dies.
>>151345633Pretend?
>>151345714Ian already took that crown from him when he wrote House of Cards
>>151345824Counter point: Lemme know when Ian writes the shit of "Mobian and Outlander war starts because human kid shoots hippy squirrel trying to save a bird"
>>151334458>>151340091“Why is Manga killing us?”
>>151345969>>151345948Was wondering where more schizos were gonna pop in.
>>151340395Why does IDW persist on bringing Shadow into stories when it's clear no one enjoys writing around him, and it's such a non priority they had his one-shot be cancelled? His presence in this story feels random and unneeded.
>>151344987Depends on the game. Sometimes she can spin dash, others she can only manage a standing peel-out at best.
>>151346041Im guessing since part of the main cast, he needs to be written into stories somehow.
>>151345684Pretty sure Breezie had her own plans for taking over Mobius. She's just much more subtle about it, except when she's trying to get Metal Overlord Sonic to give her the nuts and screw.
>>151346085Dont think she ever had plans or desires for world domination, she clearly was happy with her casino empire.
>>151346046Doesn't seem to be a problem with Knuckles who barely ever appears in this comic
>>151346102To be fair that’s because Sega mandates he’s not allowed to leave the master emerald unattended unless it’s for a good reason
>>151346140And Shadow's supposed to not be around unless the stakes are world-endangering, but here he is in a low-stakes Steven Universe episode.
>>151346154Chaos emeralds are involved though
>>151346154World-endangering or if Eggman pops up suddenly. Which I feel happens so much as one throws a rock.
>>151346085Breezie should have been Wes Weasley in my opinion.
>>151345992>>151341467>wahh wahh stop being mean to my talentless tranny sonikku!No i won’t blame it on faux excusatory bullshit like “it was just too rushed” or “it just needed more time and issues to flesh it out this is a great story at ite heart”The story is woke self-insert dogshit. Until you stop being shill consumers and say it like it is you’re never gonna improve
>>151346199>The story is woke self-insert dogshitNigga, for fags like ya any shit is seen as "woke". That shit has lost all meaning by this point. >Until you stop being shill consumers and say it like it is you’re never gonna improveWelp, you def never improved.
>>151346210Nah this is woke as fuck. This is why your comic sucks, because you have no taste and defend it for being as low test as you.
>>151346224>Rambles like an IQ 75 white trash retardWelp, point proven and very easily. Dont you have your local antiwoke bluecheck mark to suck off on Twitter or youtube?
>>151337039So is everything else in the US backed by rich shareholders.
>>151345992>>151346210You will never be a woman. Commit 41%
>>151346333Trips of TRUTH!
>>151341299Man, this comic sucked, but the Spindash was NEVER special. It's literally a default ability for any given Sonic character. Like, even Cream the fucking Rabbit can spindash. Of all the things to criticize the comic for, you chose the dumbest one possible.
>>151341390Sorry, I don’t read this crap for a living, just whenever a Thread pops up.I didn’t know that literally anybody could do one of the things that makes Sonic and his buddies unique.
>>151345442No.
>>151339284Barnes is gonna piss off the wrong person one day with his Twitter comments.
>>151345235Ian said those on his podcast not Evan.
>>151340326Well that escalated quickly
This has everything wrong with Penders era Archie except it’s also decompressed and boring. At least Penders stuff could sometimes be unintentionally funny
>>151346140In a way, Knuckles is both blessed and cursed by that "mandate".>>151346041>his one-shot be cancelled?Oh yeah, that was a thing... what happened? Did the manga fail so they changed their minds?
>>151346041>it's clear no one enjoys writing around himThey are pissed they are obligated by Sega to write him as he is portrayed in the games, rather than how they think he should be (aka Archie Shadow).
>>151346727For the most part, some of Penders shit was so cringe you couldnt even laugh at it.>>151346756>Did the manga fail so they changed their minds?Theres various speculations. One being the manga. The other was the writing team being told by SEGA to rush/cancell stuff to meet either the Frontiers release or something like that.
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>>151346788Honestly, cant believe Im saying this. But aside from some schizos, this has been by far the most normal comic discussion. Specially when compared to Twitters bs.
>>151346804>>151346815How did the Shadow manga do in terms of sales when the volume(s?) were released, anyway?My best guess is that it didn’t do badly, given that Sega greenlit another manga, but I’ve never actually seen the numbers, Japanese or worldwide.
>>151346095She's literally trying to get Neo Metal to abandon Eggman and stick with her. It's clear to me that she's got greater ambitions.
>>151346878Last I checked the Shadow manga never got any official release outside of Japan.>>151346881Honestly, I thought she was just offering him partnership, specially since they were both machines.
>>151346324Yes but what have *you* invented?
>>151346392>Admits to being a secondary.
Until it's confirmed she's a boy Soleil is a girl to me.
>>151335472>>151342399>>151347029Females in Sonic have eyelashes, even the non-animal characters follow this rule.
please come back
>>151335919The thing that has a 0.01% chance to drop from chopped trees in Terraria
>>151335472>>151339905I still find it extremely funny that Sega shut it down.>Please tell me Lunar isn’t both Sonic’s first canon plural character AND a villainMy god they’re such pussies, no wonder nobody wants to make these kinds of characters if they’re only allowed to be bland cardboard cutouts people can project on.
Unironically don't see the issue with Lunar's pronouns. That is kinda small time to get angry about.
I did one idea how Id do this whole arc, I dont think it would have been great, but I had a few gear turns
>>151346210>What is woke about a genderless, pronounless character learning the valuable lesson that being always online is good actually Bro
>>151344658Surge is easily the most popular IDW comic only character.
>>151340152YAAAAAAAAAAAAASS
>>151347497No one denies that. But she's completely failed to meet anyone's expectations about her "potential", not least of all because of writer infighting about whether or not she should be redeemed.
>>151347497Surge could have been as popular as Shadow, Scourge and Silver. Instead she’s fighting with Whisper and Lanolin
>>151345714ken is worst in terms of irl stuff and being a schizo, she's worst in terms of oc and uninteresting tumblr esque plots and ian is worst in status quo loving and being basicthey all represent a different aspect of sonic decay
>>151347606Scourge was never popular. Hes only popular among Archie jerk offs.
Don't worry, Sage introduction, B*lle and Metal will fix everything.
>>151347625Ken was also worst in terms of writing, character stuff and his tween drama, also the OC shit.
>>151345865>war starts because human kid shoots hippy squirrel trying to save a birdWasn't this just the backstory of Fullmetal Alchemist?
>>151347660No, in FMA it was a soldier that shot a kid and that kicked off the war. In the Archie books, Ken was high on his anti-gun shit at the time
>>151347531I think her character is pretty compelling. She’s a victim kidnapped into being a shitty bootleg Sonic. The only criticisms people seem to have are power level related. I know Ian wanted to keep her a villain but he also notoriously folds easily, see how quickly Tangle and Whisper made up.>>151347606She’s about as popular as Scourge in only a fraction of time.
>>151340091>>151340101>>151340116Holy hell this feels like really bad exposition. Just three pages of people standing around and talking. If you are an aspiring comic book writer... don't do this shit.
>>151344723>>151334458The other day I played Spirits of Justice and there's this really fun chapter where the witness has DiD and you make progress by getting the personalities to fight eachother, uncovering a new personality they were keeping hidden, etc. So yeah I'd love to see Sonic try out that same general idea, especially in comic form where you can do things like Lunar / Soliel taking to themselves with different speech bubbles, or every panel she's wearing a different mask representing a different personality. Even the cringe "Lunar is not a boy or girl, just Lunar" could synergize really well with the gimmick, like Lunar flirts with girls while Soilel only shows interest in men.But they didn't really do...anything with the potential and then move on. Just about everything to do with Lunar / Soilel was introduced and solved in half of a single issue, the Jekel and Hyde split personality isn't even essential in any meaningful way. As is, this is suppose to be Lunar's big debut getting us into the character but it genuinely feels like I'm reading an abridged summary. If this is it, then Belle has been dethroned as the most underwhelming OC.
>>151340343This actually made me bust out laughing. So much of this comic is sappy and conflictless that I mentally broke the moment Shadow went ENTER
>>151340428The far bottom left hand has four fingers. Black outlines everywhere except for the head, which was clearly digitally shrunk and had the outer linework colored. Amazingly sloppy.>>151340442How fitting for you to like it, given you're a clown.
>>151343280Yes actually Lunar was hyped like the next big new character.
>>151345714You have got to be kidding. Ken was a hammy soap opera writer, but this is just straight up amateurish. I actually can't think of anything Ken wrote that is as this.
>>151348079>*that is as BAD AS this.
>>151347657Also ripping off other comics
>>151347029cunt boy?
>>151348079Look up his story arc about how the Overlander and Mobian conflict started and was resolved. Look up his comic about wanting to murder Sally and then forcing one writer to fix the bullshit Ken cooked up
>>151345442Yes, they'll climb in your mouth for free and go down in one gulp.
>>151347657Damn did forget that though thought that was kind of a lot of the crew like the shipping bs as well. But still maybe it's just the same shit different generation, this is the lgbt crying loser cringefail character gen. So maybe I'm just noticing it more than archie since I twas but a young lad when that stuff was out>>151348079Think only good thing is at least at times their was good stuff going on, like some interesting plots and characters. Nothing idw has pushed out has been memorable or truly fun, maybe that was kind of the key to archie it was cringe but you had some cool stuff mixed in. Like their are a lot of quoteable/memorable archie villians and fights/scenes but with idw nothing really stands out sadly. Even surge was just a flash in the pan who now lives off fanart and gooners
>>151348175bro this dedicated an entire half of an issue to "I got sent to my room and that turned me into the joker also I'm they/them"
>>151347497>Surge is easily the most popular IDW comic only characterAnd yet the fandom portrays her as a tsundere gremlin obsessed with Sonic.>>151347703>I think her character is pretty compellingBro>She’s a victim kidnapped into being a shitty bootleg SonicOh you're a millenial. You guys love being meta and subversive.
>>151347029need pic related but with lunar
>>151348296>And yet the fandom portrays her as a tsundere gremlin obsessed with Sonic.The fandom portrays Sonic and Tails having constant gay sex, and Shadow being a pedophile for some human girl with space aids, what is your point?
>>151348280And Ken dedicated three issues to his crap that was so bad, they later had to retcon it. >>151348217>Think only good thing is at least at times their was good stuff going on, like some interesting plots and charactersThe only time you had that, was when Ken wasn't allowed near a writing pen, and when he was he'd quickly screw stuff over because didn't gell with his BS.>>151348296>And yet the fandom portrays her as a tsundere gremlin obsessed with Sonic.An yet Scourge was that without needing the fandom, but idiots won't stop singing praises to that daddy issues douchebag.
>>151347124He'll be back and he'll be twice as much of a disappointment as before because IDW can't write villains.
>>151348166Nah, just girl.
>>151334458I think this is kinda funny. I'll have to read the whole thing first.>>151340101Sonic and Tails being hesitant and put off by fanatic behavior is weird and distracts from what the writer is trying to say. They should not see a problem. Just stonewall the awkwardness.
>>151348446Look at his Mom and Dad: >>151340326The mom has girl eyelashes, the dad doesn’t. No eyelashes = he’s a tranny man
Surge is shit because her entire purpose is to introduce gay batman logic to sonic.
I honestly pretty glad some people on the sth reddit are calling this issue disappointing. They just kinda ate up the last one.
>>151348544She’s shit because that was one of her Seventeen different purposes they couldn’t stick to. She has no motive or connection to her backstory anymore, she just hates Sonic now because “lol i dunno, Sonikku is le perfect and i’m just dumb and brainwashed durrr”
>>151348401let me put it this way: I would rather read the entirety of "mobius 25 years later" than this single issue again.
What the fuck is this story?The first part is a ballroom heist thing.Then the next issue goes through a character's entire story arc all in one go with a bunch of fight scenes that don't make any sense.And now there's a chapter dedicated to just beating up some Eggman bot. Could we not have had these three threads go through all three issues?
>>151348374>Shadow being a pedophile for some human girl with space aidsShadow was born when Maria was 12. If anyone's robbing the cradle it's her. That and he was born with a teen body. Get rid of the hedgehog aspect, and it's a dying 12 year old white girl trying to teach the autistic and emo half alien hybrid literally born yesterday how to be human.
I’m really flabbergasted by this issue. So they just said that this tranny acrobat got his phone taken away and was so stressed he became the joker in his sleep. And that’s the guy who magically broke into Tails’ Fort Knox high tech bankvault to rob his emerald without him noticing? And the same guy who stole Rouge’s emerald from her hotel suitcase?Look i’m already assuming they’ll say revived Starline brainwashed him into doing it, but it’s still such a lame and anticlimactic explanation to these things happening offscreen. You’d think Tails would be more invested meeting the guy who broke through his bunker defences but they don’t even talk about it.
>>151348678Yeah okay Hal we get it you want to fuck the loli.
>>151345447The thing about the Zombot stuff is that it's played for real, but because most of the cast IS the game cast, you couldn't have any of them die or suffer from the events in the long term. This is a Zombie Apocalypse and treated like one in universe, but nothing comes of it (with the exception of Starline using some strain of it to make Surge and Kit, and unless something cause a mutation in them, you wouldn't even know unless reminded). The events of Resident Evil's Raccoon City destruction still reverberates to this day in that series, and that event happened in universe back in 1998.If they wanted zombie stuff they should have just played it for mild scares, but fun. Also not helping was Covid causing delays.
>>151347429 (me)So, I was thinking about how to tackle this issue, and here's what I came up with: Sonic and Tails end up running into Soleils' parents, and maybe they get ambushed or something. A fight breaks out because Sonic and Tails think these two are in a gang of thieves. Meanwhile, the parents are convinced that Sonic is somehow behind their kid disappearing. It could lead to some really cool misunderstandings and action. Tails can be a sort off "wait a minute," and they try to explain how they saw Soleil and are after someone called Lunar, who was dressed like their kid. The parents are confused about this, since they don't recall anyone like that from their troupe. That's when Lunar makes an announcement of pulling another grand heist for a lovely audience to enjoy and gives the location of where it's gonna happen. The group heads out there, on the way, Tails asks some questions, with the parents explaining how they're a travelling circus and Soleil wasn't living up to their expectations and they had money issues as their numbers didn't attract that many patrons. The father then points out, that after a while, something changed in Soleil, one minute she'd be all thumbs and her shy self, the next she would act confident and pull off tricks she couldn't before. The mother then adds at times their kid would look very tired but their donation box would be full of money. That's when Tails voices a theory of Soleil having a split personality, which actually shocks the parents. (1/2)
>>151348679>So they just said that this tranny acrobat got his phone taken away and was so stressed he became the joker in his sleepThis is preschool shit, guys. Time to pack it up.
>>151348713The Zombot stuff didn't work because1. Everyone was way out of character to sell the "drama."2. It was so early in the book that there was no attachment to the new versions of these characters and there weren't enough old plot threads to intertwine it with.3. The whole arc is repetition. First half was the same issue on loop. Second half was Zeti fight scenes.
Archie won
And also look at the cover for this issue, talk about false advertising.The OC in a villainous or antagonistic role? Some sense of competency and showdom in a crowded circus city? Tails seemingly in a more prominent role?Nah. Tails gets booted off the plot instantly cause noone cares about him. No setting exists just empty walkways and an empty car bridge with noone around. Lunar isn’t a villain it’s just a whiney weepy OC fanboying over Sonic alone so Sonic will tell his parents that trans rights matter, bro
>>151348714(2/2)They eventually find Lunar at the heist location and making her getaway. They give chase, eventually cornering her maybe ontop of a tall roof or something, with Lunar asking if the parents are proud of her now perfect kid and how she can solve their problems. The parents say they want their daughter back, which surprises Lunar. After which, she proposes a challenge to see what they value most, as she throws herself off the building. The group catches her, maybe the parents along with Sonic and Tails doing a very cool acrobat trick, as Soleil snaps back to normal and begins to apologies, worried that she's in trouble again.The parents hug her, saying they are ones sorry and that they love her and they don't want her to replace or stress herself. Then, they see a large crowd has gathered, applauding them and thinking this was part of some act. Then, among the crowd, Soleil sees Lunar, who bows to her threatricly and then vanishes among the crowd, a sort of indication that Soleil doesn't need her anymore.
>>151348767Nah, Archie still blows chunks.
>>151348714>>151348779That’d be much more likeable of a conflict, and makes Lunar actually seem like a bad guy at all in this shit story>>151348773The writers don’t want to make a good story, they want to write their wish fulfilment fanfiction. That doesn’t include Tails, a setting or action, it’s just their self insert getting le thumbs up from Sonic for being gay.
>>151348714>>151348779Okay, so what if we tweak it slightly too that instead of it just being stress that caused Joker Mode, it's stress *and the proximity to chaos emeralds* that develop this Hyde personality to our Jekyll? We already know chaos emeralds can induce transformations of sorts.Then, you could still have Eggman be the root cause as he was responsible for the initial transformation into Soleil. We can still have the conflict of Soleil and Lunar and Lunar having to accept both sides of themselves for the conclusion.
>>151345690It's another flip flop bs like with the whole Two Worlds shit, because you are correct, the game have used AND referenced the Rings as currency (Tails outright states in Shadow 05 that Eggman is stealing them to fund his goals) and in Sonic X, Eggman tries to rob a bank to get the currency of Chris' world. There's also all the Casino levels as well. Sega for some reason just doesn't want to show money at times, and because the IDW staff doesn't want to step on toes, nobody presses it.But in the end, Clutch was a fucking waste and couldn't even amount to the threat that Mammoth had or even the charm Breezie had.
>>151348679>This is what IDWgoys shill for free
>>151348860>The writers don’t want to make a good story, they want to write their wish fulfilment fanfiction. That doesn’t include Tails,To be fair, most good stories also wouldn't include Tails.
>>151348867That idea i like even more.It’d be cool to see them cause more of a mental transformation in someone. You could maybe give him small powers too based on that backstory, but that’s optional
Sonic Universe... Someday.
>>151348867Follow-up thought. Making the transformation be Chaos Emerald-based, you could have it so that Lunar is feminine and Soleil be masculine. There is an actual, physical transformation aspect, that makes us not suspect Lunar and Soleil are the same person at first until the "twist" is revealed.
>>151348922More like Steven Universe
>>151348930That could happen, but I think it's be more interesting if the change isn't physical, as a result Lunar is drawn with far more feminine gestures and body language while being far more openly expressive compared to Soleil's shy outlook
Hopeium status?
>>151348755>It was so early in the book that there was no attachment to the new versions of these characters and there weren't enough old plot threads to intertwine it with.Because it was intended for Archie before it got canned.
>>151347703>The only criticisms people seem to have are power level relatedNta, but I've mentioned in previous threads that I don't care for the direction of her character. She knows the past was robbed from her, she lashes out, gets knocked down, works for Clutch, gets praised as a hero, likes it and now... just wanders around, with Kit setting up shit for her to fix without her knowledge. No mention of trying to find out who she was and she still wants to kill Sonic because of "muh brain meddling" (which A, doesn't work now because SHE KNOWS it's not natural, but she just rolls with it, and B, killing Sonic would make her public enemy number 1, something that doesn't jive with her wanting to be a hero).
>>151348996>>151348930Agreed, I think what would help with that as >>151347902 pointed out the idea of different styled speech bubbles. Like Lunars is more bombastic, having a sort of theatric flair to her way of speaking or addressing the characters, something along the line "Ah, an here's the Eliza Dolittle to my Henry Higgins" while Soleil is more stuttering and the text bubbles done in a more softer manner.
>>151348870I really want to know why they handled him the way they did.
>>151349033Sonic has not owned hopeium stocks since 2005. You are currently in increasing Hopeium debt
>>151349033I gave up on IDW halfway through Metal Virus. I only return to collect Amys.
>>151349058Because these people aren't very good writers
>>151349047>Because it was intended for Archie before it got canned.And honestly, it should have stayed in the drafts, probably as part of Ian's Lost Hedgehog Tales. Would have worked back then, maybe even in the reboot universe, but here? Nah.
>>151349158Honestly, it felt like a draft for an alt timeline where Silver ends up.
>>151348716Woah, chud. Being sent to bed without phone by their ZAMNIBLE parents is an issue that effects at LEAST 70% of the sonic reddit
>>151349048That’s an eloquent way of putting it. She (and Kit) have no coherent reason for doing anything they do, because they failed to set it up right and now are stuck with very weak foundations. Does Surge still want to murder Sonic because something something Starline? Maybe. Yes no. Who knows, and she can’t tell you why. Kit doesn’t even have a reason to hate Tails, they just chose to never set that up rather than write a dedicated storyline about Tails, which they probably just don’t want to do.>>151348996Lunar going from a frumpy unconfident girl to a sassy femme fatale depending on her identity sounds very fetishy, in a good way
>>151344101>Okay but then why bother spending all this page space on them? Their parents are doing all the heavy lifting in terms of narrative appeal.That's the story losing focus and making mistakes, which is something different. My point isn't the quality of the story, just that I don't think IDW or anyone was making that big a deal out of "here's the new character" beyond what's normal in an episodic story of "here's what's next"- it's fans that, not used to these comics being episodic (which to be fair even the comics are struggling to be), put too much importance on any new character shown in a cover or preview
>>151345518It's a different comic- the Chaotix Anniversary special has a simple formula of "baby's first mystery story" where the villain appears to be a thief but then that's a red herring and it was actually the museum curator (but it was the thief too). When it got storytimed here the thread got entirely derailed by an autist screeching how this is killing white culture
>>151334458Ngl this is kinda cute but could be more nuanced. I'm more annoyed about Shadow being le child beater 9000 again for shits and giggles
>>151349273More like troon beater
>>151349270>where the villain appears to be a thief but then that's a red herring and it was actually the museum curator (but it was the thief too). The funny thing, when I read that comic my first thought was "Was someone at IDW a fan of Getbackers or Lupin the 3rd?"
>>151349059Let's not get carried away here; the franchise as a whole is in a better place than where it was back in the doldrums of the mid-2010s. It's not the butt of jokes, it takes itself fairly seriously, and the last few games have been decent. Even if you don't like the films they've still done well and are fine for what they are and the kids like Sonic which is the target demographic. So all things considered it could be much much worse.
>>151349304The last few games have been trash. Especially Forces and Frontiers.Twitter just poisoned the fandom into a hypebeast hivemind where if you don’t mindlessly consume bottom-of-the-barrel garbage and call it “PEAK!” then somehow the other twitter fandoms have beaten you in life
>>151348679>I’m really flabbergasted by this issue. So they just said that this tranny acrobat got his phone taken away and was so stressed he became the joker in his sleep.Really?
>>151349294The writer of that comic and some of the artists have repeatedly talked about Lupin III, praised it, said Sonic should be more like it, etc.
>>151349238>Kit doesn’t even have a reason to hate TailsOh but anon, he DOES have a reason to hate Tails. You see... Tails has Sonic, and because of that... wait.But for real, yeah, Kit's hatred of Tails doesn't work when the fox has been nothing but kind to him, even talked him down during the first confrontation. I have no doubt in my mind that when Kit's scheming bs comes to light, he'll have a breakdown when Surge confronts him about it.
>>151349360Damn too bad they can't make it as good as Lupin too.
>>151349349>ForcesThat was 8 years ago.
>>151349378Drawing action is HAAAAAWWD for a Sonic artist!!Let’s just recycle the exact same plot as Clutch and that gay owl, a 2nd time
>>151349360
>>151349390Because it took them 5 years to make that slop called Frontiers.
>>151349349>Twitter just poisoned the fandom into a hypebeast hivemind where if you don’t mindlessly consume bottom-of-the-barrel garbage and call it “PEAK!”You mean how people criticized the shit out of Forces? Even on Twitter? >>151349360I do hope they know there's like several different versions of Lupin.
>>151349410Frontiers was fine.
>>151349397>except no sex driveL M A OL O LWhat a sauceless franchise. The Puriteen of video game characters.
>>151349395Fact. Also fact, if this shit was half as funny or out there as part 2 I'd buy every damn issue >>151349397How the fuck would that even work
>>151349421No, I don’t. The fandom became twitter obsessed in 2020 after the lockdown. And now in current year if you look up every single new interaction of the Sonic fandom with Forces, it’s all them praising it like tasteless faggots, calling it “shonen” and “hype” and “aura” and many other equivalent ebonics
>>151349426Sonic barely had sex driveThere is a difference between goku and the SI of a tranny.
>>151349423Frontiers was just as trash as Forces in story, and even more unfinished in gameplay.
>>151349461people make fun of goku's lack of sex drive little bro.
>>151349454>And now in current year if you look up every single new interaction of the Sonic fandom with ForcesAn idiots are praising The Star Wars prequels, we have a word for it called "contrarion", plus only positive thing we got from Forces was a fanmod. Aaaan that's it.
>>151349431The characters listed are all characters that repeatedly break rules and expectations, do whatever they want, and inspire others, that's presumably the point being made
>>151349294>GetbackersHoly shit, it has been years since someone had mentioned that name
>>151349369>Tails has Sonic, and because of that... waitYeah that was funny when Kit first said it.So he’s angry at Sonic for lying about Surge being dead, even though he didn’t? But he’s also angry at Tails for…having Sonic? Who is Kit’s enemy? So Kit is gay for Sonic and wants to kiss his shoes after knowing him for only an hour even though he hates Sonic now for “lying” to him about Surge not being there?They really did not want to write a bad guy for Tails specifically, Ian just had his shitty idea for “Kit kisses Sonic’s ass for an issue and tells himmhow great he is” and decided that takes priority over Kit actually interacting with Tails. I swear he doesn’t even talk to Tails through that whole b-plot
>>151349511Ye, that was the first thing that chaotix museum story reminded me off. Like, all was missing was the curator wanting to destroy the paintings so he could claim insurance for 'em.
Can you guys even imagine Lupin or Panty sitting down with a clown and telling they/them "that's cool, just be who you are!"
>>151349481Yeah, but there is a difference between being too retarded, naive, focused, profesional, or autistic to have a sex drive. And being like that, because the author was molested by his uncle.
>>151349548Panty would 100% call them a fag.
>>151349530Isn't Kit's whole issue is how he gets easily attached to someone, an thus will do anything for 'em even murder someone. Hence, why he's so protective of Surge or why he wanted to be with Sonic?
>>151349548Again, depends which version of Lupin we're talking about.
>>151349548That's half of Lupin stories, it's just instead of "sitting down with" it'd be while having a character moment amidst an explosion or gunfight or something
>shadow first instinct was beating a tranny clownMy king!
>>151349563No it’s just with Surge. Then Sonic hamfistedly became his new “surge” for 1 issue out of nowhere, then back to hating him again because “reee you lied that she was dead” even though he didn’t. And now even though Surge is back he suddenly hates Tails for no reason
>>151349588Shadow is a tranny too (Sonic battle says he was given a woman’s soul)He needs to assert his status as the main tranny
>>151349563Kit's whole issue is his existence is way less thought out than surge's
>>151349580Well I tell you what I would be fine with supportive sonic if he was supporting people during a character moment or a dramatic gunfight rather than whatever we got here.
>>151349598>>151349614Kit's whole issue is that that storyline was a fine idea on paper (Kit thinks Surge died, overly attaches to Sonic and sees Tails as a threat, when seeing Surge is alive takes it as betrayal by those who told him she was dead), but it needed to be done over like a year or two as a background element instead of pretty much one issue as the focus
>>151349294It was clearly a sendup to stuff like that, yeah. The new thief is Fujiko x Goemon since Rouge is stuck babysitting Shadow all the time.
>>151349487It’s spelled “contrarian”, and unfortunately it’s not contrarians, it’s literally now the surplus. They forego all criticism of the gameplay, and even shill the shitty neutering of the other cast in the story because “ayo Sonic is so PEAK and inspirational he is HIM of course a MINOR like Tails can’t fight without him he’s just a CHILD ayo ayo ayo”The sonic fandom now is completely lobotomised into a state of corporate worship
>>151349614How so? Ian and Evan have two conflicting interpretations of Surge but I don't see that problem with Kit.
>>151349548>Green Jacket ClassicYes.>Red JacketMaybe, but he's also pulling some kind of trick.>Pink JacketNo, he ignores them.>WCFMRapes them.>Blue JacketYes.
>>151349642He didn’t even see Tails as a threat. He didn’t even SPEAK to Tails for that whole time. He was fine and friendly working with tails and Belle as well as Sonic.Maybe, possibly, that was their pitch, but they gave zero focus to Tails in actuality, just Kit kissing up to Sonic. Kit doesn’t even remember he is Tails’ enemy until he attacks Sonic and starts hating him for Surge being alive. At that point it makes no sense to suddenly now hate Tails, AFTER you betray Sonic and want to kill Sonic.
>>151349665I feel like people have already laid it out. There are at least ideas for what Surge is meant to be doing now, if paper thin ones. Kit they all but openly don't know what to do with
>>151349641nta but a huge problem with Sonic, and western kids media in general, is the push to have things be more real, relatable and down-to-earth. It's had horrendous effects on storytelling, art, and voice acting.
>>151349682This.>REEEEEE SONIC YOU’RE A BAD PERSON AND I HATE YOU BECAUSE SURGE IS ALIVE SO THAT MEANS YOU LIED TO ME ABOUT HER BEING DEAD OR SOMETHING I WANT TO LITERALLY KILL YOU>oh and Tails is your sidekick? I’m so jealous that i’m not!
>>151349651>It’s spelled “contrarian”, and unfortunately it’s not contrarians, it’s literally now the surplus.Again, gonna point at my Star Wars prequels comment. It's not a new thing, even for the Sonic fandom. Heck, I remember when people trashed Sonic06 and after later tried to shift gears about it, but were told to shut it. Heck, same with Forces, people still get called out and pushed back trying to make excuses for it.
>>151349668>"Oh you think you're not a woman? Ehehehehe I think I can prove otherwise my dear.">Grabs fistful of pussy
>>151349717maybe once upon a time people got called out in Star Ward and pushed back on for shilling crap, not in current Sonic. in the current Sonic fandom there is no pushback, they all blindly sling praise of it and completely make up shit claiming the story was actually perfect and that Tails and etc were ackshually super useful and handled and written perfectly. There is no pushback anymore, only brainless dicksucking of the series
The problem with Kit is that he is a Tails rival, and much like Tails himself, are fucking LAME!Kit and even Wave are lame as shit as rival characters. latter belonging to a group where the only decent rival type among them is Jet.
>>151347326Remember, culture "warriors" don't care about IPs, they just want outrage
>>151349717dude, just look at Frontiers and the DC crossover for latest examples.Exact same problems as Forces. Zero criticism allowed.If anyone says anything they make up retarded excuses and act like you're stupid for wanting the other characters to be written with respect.
>>151349788Sorry no one replied to your bait post, sister. Try making better ones next time.
>>151349788Your IP being written by narcissistic transgenders is why it sucks, shill.
>>151349665Kit feels like a character secondary to Surge entirely, she exists without him, but he's nothing without her. It frustrates me no end Kit was conceptualized like this.
>>151349744I mean that's a lot of what he did in that show and Monkey Punch's comics, yeah.
>>151349825Just like Tails
>>151347326Yeah it doesn't matter.What matters is this story is ass.
>>151349825I'm just mad he doesn't have a real reason to hate Tails beyond his programming.
>>151349839That's why I made the joke. Could you imagine THAT happening in a sonic comic? That'd be wild
>>151349845modern Tails after Sonic turned into a preachy mary sue. my favourite Tails story was Tails Adventure, where he just has a plain and simple adventure without needing to kiss Sonic's ass
>>151349870I can def see it happening in Archie during Penders run, fuck knows that guy didn't have any breaks.
A story written by writers who think "the first pronounless character" is something worth lauding and not insane and retarded is never going to be good. The definition of the game being rigged from the start
>>151349825Kit is just Waluigi. Waluigi has no real reason to hate Luigi. But he must because that is the role he was born to play, to be his shadow, and because Wario needed a doubles partner.
>>151349853the story is ass because the transgender aritst used the story to be about xim's transgender self insert
>>151349909Yikes
>>151349884I mean Anti Sonic raped Bunnie.
>>151349909I think you can write about this shit and also have a good story. The issue was how it played out, not the subject.
>>151349909I cannot imagine actually admitting to all of that. Batman himself couldn't have dragged that out of me.
>>151349920Ye, the most fucked up part is this way the idea to remove the insane number of love triangles Sonic was involved in.
>>151349884Honestly when I think about it, you’re right. I can see it. Especially if you slightly change the framing>Female villain pretending to be different male character>Someone's trying to expose them>Cue Raiden crotch grab
>>151349909>trans and nonbinary and panjust say faggothttps://x.com/GigiD_Sonic/status/1991177766843068485https://x.com/GigiD_Sonic/status/1959197732855284062https://x.com/GigiD_Sonic/status/1959605595683582260
>>151349462Forces gameplay loop consisted of running to the right and pressing whatever wisp weapon you had.
>>151349909This is the artist who's been going wild over Lunar ever since Xwe was announced, btw. 100,000% percent just this tranny's self-insert
>>151349909her husband passing away really fucked her up.
>>151349909Ain't no way this was going to turn out good. There is nothing in the universe that could convince me otherwise
>>151349966Wow, looking at these posts, everyone is so happy and supportive, maybe I should stop being such a bitter asshole->Evan said it here— lunar does NOT go by the pronouns they/them. >Lunar has no pronouns. >It’s form of pronoun non-conformity. God I can't help but hate them
>>151340428congrats Eggman it took you too fucking long to fight Sonic again in a fighting mech
>>151349978oh yes but that Frontiers gameplay, Damn!I love grinding on rails and boring puzzles in an unreal engine asset flip desperately trying to copy botw in every way40% being the usual auto-gameplay setpieces40% being the recycled boost2win stages with worse controlsAnd did i mention that the Cyberspace levels are just Generations levels they literally reused with zero change, because they know you’re a tasteless consoomer who’ll buy the same damn thing you already bought2/5ths of the game being outright unfinished, with a whole missing island they never bothered to complete despite advertisingFinal stage being a shump battlelives and rings don't matter anymoreThe islands lack any sort of personality because just lazily copy and pasted like the same 3 assets over and over with different filtersAnd probably the only thing you remember from it is “Sorry Master King, But I gotta Go all out, just this once…” while tapping the circle button
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #85(W) Ian Flynn, Evan Stanley (A) Min Ho Kim (CA) Miles ARQ)In their quest to track down the missing Metal Sonic, Sonic, Belle, Motobud, and Sage discover stolen Dr. Eggman tech being used to control creatures. When Sonic is trapped inside a strange illusion, the group is forced to confront who they are and what they want. Can Eggman's creations find common ground, or will old grudges tear them apart?FC • 32pp • $4.99 • On Sale Feb 2026Covers: A (Miles ARQ), B (Dutreix), 1:15 (Fourdraine)
>>151349995>herIts
>>151350026The art is too good for this series.
>>151350009just be positive bro.Criticism and standards are not allowed in this fandom!
>>151350026ugh, more sage...
>>151350024>I love grinding on rails and boring puzzles in an unreal engine asset flip desperately trying to copy botw in every wayLol, imagine acting like Nintendo is original. Nice delusion, chief.
>>151350024So what do you like then?
>>151350026WHO ASKED FOR ANOTHER FUCKING BELLE ARC FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK
>>151350048She's getting her own mini too.
>>151350050Nice consoomerism, piggy. Your corporate overlords were too lazy and talentless to even make their own stamina bar, they stole the png itself from BOTW as well
>>151350077Sounds horrible
>>151350026>When Sonic is trapped inside a strange illusion, the group is forced to confront who they are and what they want. Can Eggman's creations find common ground, or will old grudges tear them apart?YAAAAASS I LOVE TALKING ABOUT MY FEELINGS AND CRYING IN THERAPY TIME YAAAASS YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS!!!!!
>>151350089>Your corporate overlords were too lazy and talentless to even make their own stamina bar, they stole the png itself from BOTW as wellSo, how does Nintendo cock taste?
>>151343743Archie was more of a potential pozzing would've and was but never is
>>151349904Honestly hit the nail on the head. At least with Waluigi there's no big ol' story going on with him, he's just a guy Wario found and the two became greedy partners. Yet despite having storying backing him, Kit is WEAKER than Waluigi.
>>151350072I thought that was Silver at first. He does look like Rick.
>>151350026Awww heelll yeah. The cheery on top of this sunday of shit: Belle!
>>151350118>Archie was more of a potential pozzingwould've and was but never isArchie did pozz and plenty.
>>151350026Even after Lunar today, that clown-nosed quirk chungus Belle is still the worst Sonic OC ever made
>>151349939Yeah I'll never understand the modern direction of airing out your dirty laundry unprompted. I guess because people see social media as diaries, but still. >>151349825>Kit feels like a character secondary to Surge entirely, she exists without him, but he's nothing without her.That's the point, though. He was literally programed to be her sidekick with no concept of individuality or refusing her. But yeah wish he had more friction with Tails, as is the rivalry feels forced compared to Surge and Sonic.
>>151350135Tommy Turtle.
>>151350135Funny way of saying Silver
>>151350144An OC so bad, they had to kill him off for good and I recall Penders was pissed as fuck. Also Geoffrey, don't forget him.
>>151350138>That's the point, though.Well, I think that was just bad and squandered Kit's potential to be a mildly interesting character.
>>151350138they'd willingly prefer to completely gloss over Kit and Tails than actually write for them. I get the distinct impression that though they are forced as tagalongs, the writers do not particularly care for either and just want to sideline them to focus on Sonic>>151350123Surge and Kit would be more fun if they were just powerful delinquents, desu. Better than setting up a sad weepy story that you can't actually do well
>>151350166That was Locke, and he was mad because his original death was tied to how his father died irl
>>151350184>Surge and Kit would be more fun if they were just powerful delinquents, desuBut then we just get back to the problem with the skunk bros, delinquents that are a step above the average citizen, and now look at them, taking part in a fucking flower contest.
>>151350184>Surge and Kit would be more fun if they were just powerful delinquentsI agree but that would be just a tad too close to Dragon Ball
It funny how Anti miles works better as a rival to tails compared to kit.
>>151350026>missing Metal SonicSo what will it be?>Stolen>Literally just got lost>Another identity crisis which may result in bunch of ways, ranging from another schizo meltdown involving some sort of rebellion to lolShardExtra points if Belle gets killed
>>151350217sad, sad. that's something that could legit be assuaged with powerlevels. If you were willing to make them sadistic and powerful threats then their appearance would be menacing and their inclusion in fru fru bullshit prevented
>>151345559he's not even as good as Sidewinder
>>151350227no he doesn't. He's even more sidelined and does-nothing than Kit is.Don't fool yourself, Kit being trash doesn't stop Archie being Shite.
>>151350154Or Sally.
>>151350227barely. the thing is, all these writers obviously just want to focus on Sonic's rivals.
>>151350230I do wonder if they make it Shard, will Ken have a meltdown over it on Twitter?
>>151350144Belle has been in more issues than Tommy and therefore is worse.
>>151350227Miles was cool but did nothing besides be an abuse victim and betray Scourge
>>151350257anti miles has the exact same problem as Kit where we know nothing about him and see nothing about him because Ian sidelined him to make it all about the hedgehogs
>>151350264Why would he have a metldown? He had almost nothing to do with him.
>>151350281did he even betray scourge?Betray sounds cool. He just got on his knees and begged Sonikku-Sama to save him. Thoroughly uncool, not even villainous.
>>151350282It seems they were building something with Miles or least giving an implication he was running the anti-reality with Alicia being his puppet.
>>151350264They don't want to make another Shard. They don't want any Archie characters back.
>>151350298they weren't, Ian went on record to say he never had any intention of doing anything with Miles in the future. It was only gonna be about Scourge, and Fiona, and Locke from thereon out.
>>151350282Well of course. You think most people actually give a flying fuck about any rival that isn't a hedgehog. Just catering to what the people actually care about
>>151350307Well shit, that kinda sucks. Cause the ending gave that implication, and it was gonna go somewhere.
I still can't get over how Ian had literally no plans for Miles and the Suppression Squad
>>151350264Ehh you don't even need to do much. Just change the colour that ain't black/gold, give him some diff name and done. Or just turn him into Neo(kinda how Frieza went from imp form to almost always being in his ayylmao form)
>>151350317I remember once upon a time Tails had a very big fanbase. Fleetway had a throng demanding an ongoing of him throughout the book. I'm sure that's been whittled down to just the loyalists and oldfags now that writers who don't like him have successfully sabotaged him.
I liked tails when adventure era set up that he was trying to get out of sonics shadow and be a hero in his own right. And then they just... didn't do that
>>151350329Most people don't have long term plans. They just get a new idea, make anything out of it and later get bored. Rinse and repeat
well because its related, I think about this one scourge fan comic that essentially put away the destructix for other anti hedgehogs. So fucking disappointing.
If this comic does something as funny as the lupin IIIrd suicide gun, consider me won back over
>>151350290He did, he orchestrated Scourge and Sonic fighting and getting trapped between the Zones. When the gang pack up their shit and head back to Moebius, Miles makes a comment about putting Alicia back on the throne, but then she says that Miles is the one that holds the real power. If you ask me, I'm just sad pic related will never happen.
>>151350344It doesn't help, again, I'll say, the few rivals he does get are shit as ones. Kit, and Wave, was designed to be one, is abysmal at it, along with Storm with his respective character.
>>151350324>>151350329I mean, in Ian's own book they do fucking nothing. No joke that arc lasted a year at least and all they contribute is cowering in fear of Scourge and begging Sonic to save them because they're weak and pathetic according to Ian. What did you expect of them as enemies?At least under Penders and Gallagher they were actually a threat. To Sonic and the Scourge, they beat Scourge up and nearly killed him, that's why he skipped world to impersonate Sonic in the first place. Ian severely lameified them.
>>151350414Ye, cause I really liked what they were doing with Miles. He was cold, calculated, and very smart. To hear that they didn't have any plans for him, is really sad.
>>151350414>orchestrated cowering to Sonic and begging him to save you isn't orchestrating, it's being a weak and pathetic pussy who kisses Sonic's ass
>>151350123Honestly I think people started to like Waluigi because they embraced his anti Luigi role to the point that people now see it as his active personality which in turn is endearing. Kit on the other end on the other hand is a plot device character and nothing more, which is frustrating as Surge has had a personality shift throughout the time she was created but Kit still only exists to be her shadow still.
>>151350471*also I should mention that Ian randomly forced in Metal Sonic, Silver, Metal Scourge and Anti Amy and eventually Zonic into that arc to make a huge Hedgehog fight that was the main focus of it.The Suppression Squad got no attention or cool moments at all. Fuck, under Penders patch had MURDERED ANTOINE'S FATHER and there is no payoff to this! This is the only time Patch and Antoine met under Ian and nothing happens!
>>151350510Wasn't it because Scourge at the time was juiced up when compared to his usual form, hence why Miles ran to Sonic for help?
>>151350541No. In his first issue they did present him as juiced, but in every issue afterwards Sonic just beats him up onesidedly and does a smug fart-sniffing lecture. He seemed to be weaker than before under Ian.Miles ran to Sonic for help because in that arc he's useless and can't do anything
>>151350414I heard somewhere, it was said, he had magic but they never did anything with it. How uncool to not do anything with the opposite of tails be good at an opposite trade
bros Tails isn't even in this comic that much, why are you guys talking so much about him.
>>151350414>>151350474>and getting trapped between the ZonesYou might be misremembering. They just went back to Moebius, not between zones. and there they fight all the other hedgehogs, and Scourge goes Super, and Miles literally starts crying and cowering on the floor for Scourge to have mercy. It's really pathetic, and not a power play at allYour pic related for example will also happen because Ian only would mention that Miles gave up magic, but refused to have Miles ever use magic. He just talks, cowers, and does nothing cool or smart ever
>>151350579because we were talking about Kit, and Kit is (in theory) a rival of Tails.
>>151350510Oh for sure, orchestrated is a strong word. It WAS his plan, but it was bitch move nevertheless.
>>151350577it was implied. the ff and the ss are having a little jobber fight and trading quips before both sides went begging Sonic/Scourge to save them and hog all the action.Miles says something like "it's pathetic you gave up magic to be a nerd!" for his quip. That's it. That's the only mention of it ever.
>>151350631It wasn't even a plan to get power, he thought it up halfway through the arc when Scourge had already forced them to invade Sonic's treehouse, because he was so scawwed of Scourge. He just didn't want Scourge to hit him again. Being the next in charge is just a happy accident that resulted, but it wasn't his plan from the start
>>151350611Kit isn't even in this comic. I wish Kit WAS in this comic.
>>151350026I hope Belle finally joins Eggman's side.
>>151350601>He just talks, cowers, and does nothing cool or smart ever>>151350640>That's it. That's the only mention of it ever.Well dam, would have been cool to see magic vs tech.
>>151350659I wish too.Tangent went something like: IDW OCs suck! , Surge is ok though, No Surge sucks! , Kit is even worse, Miles from Archie was good though, No Miles is even worseand that's what we're discussing now i believe
>>151350640Still, a magic tails would be cool tho, if they did anything with it. Or anything else with the squad. Idk, overall, I wish overall the entire squad got some nice scourge revamp treatment and attention than just him. As it would at the same time give some more to the rest of the regular FFs, which I think would've been neat. If only the hedgehog bias wasn't so strong.
>>151350671archie tails barely uses tech either. He didn't even build a single plane or vehicle. Yes, even after he turned yellow and "smart", he never builds weapons or planes like Game Tails does, only Nicole is allowed to
>>151350026shes even crying on the cover lol
I just want to take the time to say:Sonic was never good.
>>151350706You're tripping. He literally built his own robot side kick and shit
>>151350009Look at these fucking CHUDS
>>151350077She's the most successful new character in the last 10 years. I'm more surprised it took this long for them to start shilling her.
>>151350777Of course she's popular, she's Rei Clone #2359.
>>151350793Rare boco based moment
>>151350745i said barely. t pup is the only thing from the games they brought in.The plane? Nate and Nicole built that, Tails didn't. The Submarine and the flying airship? Rotor built that, Tails didn't. The space vehicles? Nicole built that, Tails didn't.Archie Tails doesn't get to build a single plane, weapon or vehicle, as I said, he only gets the puppy and nothing else.
>>151350800>>151350800>>151350800
>>151350821*contI advise you to read issue 207 if you want a classic example of what archie tails is like.Tails' dad is about to be killed, and instead of saving him himself or helping to save him, Tails sits behind while Sonic soloes the bad guy and saves Tails' dad.Then Tails has to fly all the weaklings, including himself, out of there while Sonic soloes the bad guy. His dad asks if Tails built this, Tails says "no, Nicole did with her nanites. I only get to fly it."His tech skills are nothing like in the games, he rarely or never gets to build anything himself. Just get talked-down to by Rotor and Nicole as the actual inventors, who he only gets to sometimes pilot their inventions and weapons. He'll type on a computer or say technobabbled, but never build something himself. They even gave Nicole the credit for building T Pup as of the reboot.
>>151350793Says the retard who simps for the Sniper Wolf bastardization.
>>151334745>>151335565When did Sonic become pro-tranny?
>>151350955Damn thats gay as hell actually
>>151350706tails literally had his own miniseries and an entire chosen one subplot that ran for years. I don't think there was a single issue that didn't have him in some way.
>>151350230Honestly, Belle would be the easiest "good" OC to write out of the comic. She could be killed off and very few people would make a stink. I personally wouldn't want her gone since I think she could potentially be utilized better, but since the past multiple arcs have been contrived, shallow, and sanitized, losing her would be a minor loss at best.
>>151350026People are overhyping Sage and Belle. It is not going to be that interesting of an interaction.
>>151351199tails had that 4-issue miniseries under gallagher in the old days, and i did like that. the chosen one subplot was also from gallagher, and was really good. It was really good treatment of him.later subsequent writers ruined that (Penders, Pellerito) and sidelined him in his own chosen one plot (Ian Flynn) to make it all about Sonic instead.Gallagher's chosen one plot was that Turbo Tails beat Mogul in a cool fight and Tails would become a greater hero than Knuckles or Sonic one day in the future (cool, heroic, worth reading)Penders' retcon was that Zonic would fuse all of the Tailses into a retarded looking pinhead who would suck Mogul up his ass with magic, then defuse and noone would ever remember this happened (not heroic, plot device, silly)Ian's retcon was that Sonic always beat Mogul, not Tails. That Mogul considers Sonic his greatest enemy, not Tails. And that the chosen one prophecy is not one of Tails being a hero, it's about Super Sonic soloing the superform of a bad guy in a fight, while Tails just uselessly gets used as a magnet to attract a lot of chaos emeralds into one place and fuse them into 7.So no fight, and no heroics. His prophecy is just a stupid game synergy retcon where he gets used as an emerald magnet while Sonic beats the bad guy.And then Ian even retcons that too, and started saying there were always 7 emeralds and Tails didn't do anything. So what did Tails accomplish in all of this? What were his cool moments and heroics? Zero, Zilch, Nada. Sonic stole them all and made it about him thanks to Ian.
>>151351199>I don't think there was a single issue that didn't have him in some wayYou'd be very, very wrong then.
>>151351304*contit's also the same issue where Tails gets onepunched by Bunnie, then kidnapped, and Sonic has to save him. So a "chosen one subplot" where Tails is a weak pussy who needs saving, and doesn't fight anyone, only Sonic does all the fighting. Tails is just there for a game retcon that changed nothing
>>151340428>Background looks like its a roughdraft that someone decided fuck it just ink&colour it>Mainbody is detailed and coloured correctly shaded etc>Everything else looks as if its half done like what the fuck is up with the hands. Was this shit redrawn and someone went nah fuck this, just colour it man. >All the little robots and shit look like chicken scratch coloured in too>Then you've got some perfect looking eggman at the bottom in his own little panel Srsly what in the fuck happened with this page???????? didnt this shit get held back for 2-3 months. How the fuck can you end the chapter with this. This is literal Penders tier drawing/incompetence whatinthefuck
