Fox X-Men > Comic X-Men
Honestly, yeah.
>>151336714The bar is in hell
ludicrously kino theme song. it’s up there with williams’s superman and elfman’s batman for best hero themes https://youtu.be/padpEYIkq4c
>>151336714TAS Xmen better then both. Xmrn 97 is an alternate universe.
live action will never look cooler than the best drawn images.
>>151336714The fox version was the first version of x men I saw. It is a weird experience going from the fox films to the first comic run that I read..krakoa.. Holy shit I hate the comic ones
>>151337150>the first comic run that I read..krakoaHoly kek!People on 4chan still falling for the memes, glad to see some things never change.
>>151336714No shit. There's a reason no one ever "graduates" from secondary media to comics.
>>151337150did you even bother to try and read the comics from before the movies that the movies would've been inspired by?
>>151337150Let me guess, you play Rivals and wanted to know more about what the deal with the Krakoa map is. Well now you know. I’m sorry you found out.
>>151337025Agreed. I was so happy when they brought it back for Day of Futures Past.
>>151337025(I like it better than the animated series X-Men theme)
>>151337575you’re a chad
>>151336714Adaptations of comics are better then the source material 99% of the time. And if you look at it a certain way Jackman, Maclvoy and Fassbender are the perfect ages for their comic counterpart. However the "people" in charge dont want that.
>>151337520No i just wanted to get in comics, and that's what was coming at at the time, and I liked x men, so I figured I'd try it.
>>151336714I'd agree if we're talking about the entirety of the comics, but from Giant Size X-Men until the end of Claremont's run, it's total kino.
>>151337458I'm open for recommendations, i literally had no fucking clue at the time what I was doing if anything it was great, because it made me want to start at writing but then again, that's probably the story for every fucker here
>>151337639Giant-Size through the Brood Saga is pure mediocrity, save for a handful of moments. I think people recall those moments but forget about the absolute chore that is everything else.
>>151337659Just read Giant Size X-Men #1, then X-Men #94 until Chris Claremont leaves X-Men. Here's a good reading list:https://www.crushingkrisis.com/crushing-comics-guide-collecting-marvel-comic-books/x-men-reading-order-guide/x-men-reading-order-guide-era-02/
>>151337624I just assumed. You got no idea how many Rivals players decided to read Krakoa and were dumbfounded.
>>151337676What followed that mediocrity was actual dogshit, so it looks much better in comparison
>>151337720No like I said, I liked x men purely from the fox movies i assume you can guess what age demographi I'm in just with that
>>151337714Thanks I'll check out, i think the only other comics i've read were ruins and marvel zombies so im not the best when it comes to taste probably
>>151337756I figured you were the same age as me (20’s).
>>151337791Nice, i just usually assume everyone on this board is in their thirties and forties.
>>151337720I...Where is the iconic marvel line?The line where they create versions of the characters SPECIFICALLY for normies and max merch sales?
>>151337676Nah, I've literally been reading them from the start recently and I'm up to when Jean first becomes Pheonix, it moves fast, lots of cool shit happening almost immediately. Claremont's writing can be clunky at times, but that's just the nature of the era, and there's plenty of times you can skim the page and not read text boxes and not miss a thing. The story, plotting and characterization are all a solid foundation. The moment Jean is sacrificing herself to save the team and Wolverine, Colossus and Nightcrawler have to hold him back is still pitch-perfect comic book melodrama.
>>151337827Good on you anon, there’s still some decent stuff in there for a while. Honestly, though, unless you’re into grimderp oppression stories I’d recommend putting the book down after the Brood saga. I think most people still consider what comes after it to be good, but it really does get grueling to read after a while and if nothing else you should absolutely stop before you get to The Marauders.
>>151337868(note, of course, that my opinion is not god; it does seem to be unpopular, though, so I felt it might be worth voicing. There’s a really noticeable tone shift around the points I brought up and it starts devolving into borderline wankery by that latter one.)
>>151337821Not sure what you’re getting at. Rivals does a mostly good job at presenting the characters for normies while also respecting the source material. It’s very refreshing after years of slop that was soaked in MCU synergy.
>>151337778Just don't let anyone trick you into reading any of the spin-off books in the 80's (New Mutants and X-Factor), you really don't need them. As long as you stick to the core X-Men book you should be good. Might want to also read God Loves, Man Kills since that was the standalone graphic novel that came out during the Claremont run (and where the beloved /co/ meme image came from).
>>151337918All right, at least I'll read something instead of my previous way of learning.. "Just looking at what everyone else is posting and going along with it" that's how I got most of what I know from
>>151337639I forgot to add Paul Smith IS great.>>151337827I recently read them too. It's largely clunky, corny, and contrived. Not a lot of cool shit or moving moments for me. I wish it were otherwise.>>151337868"Grueling" perfectly describes the Cockrum and Byrne eras.I've seen people here say the post-Brood is the best era, and reading through it now, I'm starting to believe them.
>>151338122>I've seen people here say the post-Brood is the best era, and reading through it now, I'm starting to believe themI really don’t know how or why this could become popular consensus. Claremont can’t seem to tie up a plot thread to save his fucking life, things will just crop up and then disappear. Mystique is a major threat until she isn’t, the Brood are back until they aren’t, Madelyne Pryor is a big mystery until she’s forgotten about for 60+ issues and then brought up again in a totally different context. Everything feels meaningless and depressing for the sake of it; the anti-mutant hysteria is so overblown and nonsensical that you just start tuning out. All the characters I liked either had their personalities substantially altered to be less entertaining or just fucking vanished.Honestly though I don’t want to fight over it or anything. I’m just exhausted from reading all of it for so long now, I’ve been making my way through it for the last month and keep telling myself it might get better (it never does). Sorry
>>151336714t. too retarded to read words.
>>151338192The entire run feels like it's rife with problems so far. Maybe because the art got better when Paul Smith ENTERed that I'm finally enjoying it. I'm only now starting to like the characters.That might not last.
>>151338207t. tom brevoortard
>>151338328Maybe, yeah. Paul Smith does have some delightfully clean linework. Claremont’s whole run is riddled with issues but I really can’t ignore them past Brood, whereas before then some stories are still enjoyable enough to make me more lenient on them. Don’t count on the characters getting better, they’re pretty much all just broody dicks to each other past the fourth or fifth line-up. :(
>>151338192Context matters. Comics in general are cheap, disposable entertainment with a short creative turn around. Claremont brought a sensibilitiy of soap opera, everyone with their favourite characters, call backs, changes and differences. Yeah when everyone tells you "OMG IT IS PEAK SUPERHEROES" it builds up an unrealistic expectation that will never be met. Claremont is peak superheroes because he has his fingerprints in all the foundational highs and lows of comics today. It is a mess. But people find it a comfortable guilty pleasure of a mess.
>>151338406Fair enough I suppose. But soap operas are just as cheap and disposable, only with the thin veneer of being “better.” That quickly falls apart when you scrutinize them to anywhere near the same extent as actual literature, and I suppose that dishonesty— pretending to be better than their contemporaries when they’re not— puts me off.
>>151337827I honestly can't remember all the gritty details, but wasn't the Dark Phoenix never Jean? I thought the Phoenix created its own Jean using her as the basis since she as the last hope and the Avengers found the real Jean in a kind of stasis underwater?
>>151338468That was added in as “extra context” in the Classic X-Men reprints, wasn’t a factor in the original story.
>>151338468That was a retcon after-the-fact.
>>151338406Claremont definitely had an influence on my favorite comics that followed some of his defining moments, but I vastly prefer the comics he influenced.
>>151336714>Fox X-Men > Comic X-MenYou Mean Wolverine and Friends, starring Huge Jackedman.
>>151336714Yes tp be honest
>>151338403>>151338406>>151338423Context: I've been reading quite a bit of random Marvel books from the 70's (mostly Marvel Team Up) and let me tell you, most of the writing is TRASH, we're talking almost braindead nonsense every issue for retards and children. And then Chris Claremont had moments where he'd write character interactions like this, it's really night-and-day.
>>151338483Oh I meant it as a retcon. Having read the original prints when they came out that at all in evidence. I'm only aware of the retcon through the Marvel wiki, which is hilariously out of date. However even then it states that the Phoenix dupe was still partially Jean, and this was the Jean that was in the White Hot Room after the self-sacrifice. I suppose that's why modern Jean still blames herself for everything Dark Phoenix did, though you could get that even if it was just a copy if overwhelmed by her own darker side.Phoenix itself has been so twisted up. Dark Phoenix is treated as inevitable (Phoenix Five) even if Rachel proved ages ago it isn't. Sometimes it's just a mindless force of destruction, othertimes it is actually fairly benevolent. Ultimately seems to be up to the writer/editorial, but my god are they all over the place. I think now we're back to Phoenix being a pure force for good, including currently residing in Jean but also its dalliance with the Avengers. Capricious fiery feathered bitch.
>>151338531Movie division undestood that from the beginning
>>151336714It's funny how both movie and comics X-Men have convoluted timelines
>>151338423I am going to be honest: you have to shift your expectations. "Great" comics in other mediums would probably be the equivalent of above average. "Good" comics are probably average. "Okay" comics are probably bad. "Bad" comics are toilet paper. Don't listen to hype. Read things with more of an eye towards enjoyment.Reading a big collection of comics is like binging an old TV show. X-men, like an old show, was written as one and done stories to a short creative turn around. It was not written like the structure of a modern TV show with big overarching plots (and fuck, look at GoT, even with big overarching TV they can get things so wrong). The fact that there is any coherent plots or good stuff is a miracle. So yeah, there is plenty of mess. I think recommendations nowadays DO overhype things. But I still find a lot of enjoyment in that stuff, personally. And a bunch of stuff copied its formula because it was so popular compared to a bunch of other stuff out there.>>151338468Kurt Busiek hated Dark Phoenix saga and wrote in about it (pic related). Many years later Jim Shooter was forming a book, X Factor, for the OG X-Men team. Claremont saw X-Men as his baby and was already juggling multiple books, he was upset at the idea of bringing Jean back. Claremont's story idea was the girl on the team could be Jean Grey's sister, discovering she is a mutant and hating it and hating herself. Jim sort of liked the idea (see his blog) but wanted Jean back. Kurt Busiek pitched the idea of how Jean would return. So there was a story in Avengers/Fantastic Four where they find the cocoon of Jean in the bay leading into X Factor.Claremont is still salty about it today because he feels it damaged Cyclops.
>>151338554Those moments were always the best. It does kind of suck how so many good moments were also in Classic X-Men back up stories (Classic X-Men reprinting Uncanny X-Men with George Lucas style edits/changes). Because Claremont did sort of retcon some shit in those pages.
>>151338599>Claremont is still salty about it today because he feels it damaged Cyclops.See pic.
>>151336714Yup.
>>151338554I can’t recall anything even remotely like this post-Marauders, it’s part of why I dislike all that stuff so much. Claremont killed off the quiet character moments for retarded persecution shit and i’ll never forgive him for it. I wish I could’ve gotten to know Psylocke, Dazzler, and Longshot like I did the Giant-Size line-up, but he just never let them fucking rest or communicate in anything other than danger signals and grim expositionMTU is trash btw, it’s a Spidey book first and foremost but seems to lobotomize him for the sake of any given guest character. And even those guest characters aren’t well-written.>>151338599My expectations, funnily enough, are at around the level you’re suggesting. I’m only going off of hype for the sake of understanding what other people enjoy. (Though, in this case, I started reading X-Men because I liked almost everything about the concept sans a heavy focus on the prejudice aspect.) I think it’s more that my desires are different: I’m not really looking to read something that’s trying to be deep or depressing when reading these things. I want a good clean story where colorful characters save the day and/or grow as people. Claremont has been grinding his guys into paranoid paste with little positive development for like 80 issues around where I’m at (#240 of Uncanny) and it’s really wearing on me.
>>151337639Claremont is really bad.
>>151338687>#240 of Uncanny>InfernoWell yeah no shit. I think it goes like this, plenty of the earlier arcs were interesting compared to contemporary comics, I liked stuff like Proteus etc. Then you get into Dark Phoenix which, for better or worse, became a blueprint for so much stuff. I think it fell into a pretty good rhythm for a while. By the time you get to where you are, the book is popular, spin offs, company events, Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno, the thing is a complete fucking mess and before you know it you're slap bang into multi annual crossovers and the 90s. Claremont wrote a long run, of course there are peaks and troughs but he was consistently interesting for people because people loved those characters even though the stories did go off the rails. That's the nature of comics. I think the looks and feel of the art carried it in those years, particularly when the superstar artists came in. Don't feel like you have to finish it out of obligation, if you're not enjoying it.
>Logan is a short, ugly, hairy little freak>Cast a tall, handsome heartthrob
>>151338599There is far worse that happened to Cyclops in all this time. Personally I think it's silly of Claremont to consider things wouldn't change over time, or that characters (other than Uncle Ben or, at the time, Bucky would stay dead forever). Not wholly surprised that he'd hate it, but I think it's unrealistic. Jean wasn't even one of his original characters.
>>151338882>There is far worse that happened to Cyclops in all this time.Well nowadays the modern runs have made him a murderer, Cyclops was right and all that crap. But the problems back then kind of started this stuff.>Personally I think it's silly of Claremont to consider things wouldn't change over time,Huh? Claremont DID consider things would change over time. I think it is more complicated. Many anons seem to think that Cyclops had been written out, but the truth is Claremont wanted to use Cyclops to tell different stories and grow things in a different direction. And part of what people loved about Claremont's X-Men was the growth and changed, even when it was kind of messy, it went somewhere.>or that characters (other than Uncle Ben or, at the time, Bucky would stay dead forever).At the time, given the popularity of the story and how it all went down, there wasn't that same feeling of, "Oh it is expected she would just come back!" So it isn't correct to just assume naivety on his part. In many ways the problem is he was the victim of his own success. He created a book that was very popular (clearly he had plenty of the best artists too). That just invited them to make spin offs and things outside his control.And to be fair, in many ways, Claremont is right: the lack of growth with the X-men, the repetition of those stories, all that stuff damaged the X-Men in the long term. Yes, Jean wasn't one of his original characters, but that is besides the point, the issue is that these big turns for the sake of new spin offs didn't enhance the brand but damaged it. Until we reach the modern point of a million spin off X-titles all serving up characters piecemeal.
>>151336714Days of Future Past is the best piece of X-Men media aesthetically, thematically and technically.
>>151338805I probably won’t finish it, honestly, I’ve been completely tuned out since the early 200s. Probably just going to finish up Inferno, maybe get through Classic X-Men (even if that’s a coin flip between stupid retcons and nice character stories, at least there’s a chance of the latter happening at all in there), then just put down any mutie books for a good long while.The art’s alright. I honestly think it’s too busy most of the time. Silvestri has this weird habit of adding lots of lines where they aren’t needed, yet leaving simple things like eyes or noses relatively undefined. I don’t know how to put it into words, but it makes me miss the days of Smith and Cockrum. The paneling is probably the best part of the comics right now— I like how they’re playing around with negative space and lettering, too.Not worth sticking through this shit heap for though.
>>151339066>even if that’s a coin flip between stupid retcons and nice character storiesI don't think the retcons are stupid. Most of them add context to stuff. More like a remix or Claremont adding stuff thinking about future stories with a second pass.>I probably won’t finish it, honestly, I’ve been completely tuned out since the early 200s.Fair enough. Plenty of other things to read.
>>151339033>Huh? Claremont DID consider things would change over time. II would argue that accepting things would change over time shouldn't come with caveats of, "EXCEPT THIS CHARACTER AND NOW I WROTE IT IT IS SET IN STONE BACK THE FUCK OFF". Though given it's Claremont I imagine he'd be more upset that Dark Phoenix wasn't really Jean now, screwing over his fetishizing her in sexy black queen attire.
>>151337150Krakoa era is not a good start for beginners, it's basically the X-Men going full Israel and being dicks about it.
>>151339266>I would argue that accepting things would change over time shouldn't come with caveats of, "EXCEPT THIS CHARACTER AND NOW I WROTE IT IT IS SET IN STONE BACK THE FUCK OFF".The issue is more:>Claremont has plans and potential ideas setting up to do x, y and z.>Seeding potential things.>Oh they want to do a rehash with the OG 5 X-men now.The guy was flexible and knew it wasn't a great idea and to be honest he even gave them at out too. And the early X-Factor book was pretty meh.>Though given it's Claremont I imagine he'd be more upset that Dark Phoenix wasn't really Jean now,I mean he wasn't even going to kill her off in the first place. That's a whole thing.
>>151339066>maybe get through Classic X-Men (even if that’s a coin flip between stupid retcons and nice character stories, at least there’s a chance of the latter happening at all in there)There's a lot of nice, quiet character stories, it's honestly some of the best writing of Claremont's career, he gives the story-telling through the artwork room to breathe.
>>151339533It’s honestly good enough to make me ignore the constant focus on prejudice. The story you linked and The Gift are my favorites so far. I’m a little over halfway through— just up to issue #30– and while it’s been a bit hit or miss so far, the hits have been so much better than anything mainline has offered for weeks.
>>151339563>constant focus on prejudiceDo you really find the prejudice angle that bad?
>>151339042X2 is better.
>>151339835I'm still annoyed Nightcrawler didn't come back in the OG cast movies, I wanted more of Alan Cumming as him, though what we know now about the behind-the-scenes shenanigans on the Singer movies, it's kind of understandable if he wasn't contractually obligated to return.
>>151336714In the sense that muties need to be kicked out and sent to another universe where their bullshit actually makes sense? Yeah you right.
>>151339322Dude got to inject so much of his fetishes into the X-Men he can just coast on that to the end of his days. De-aging Storm, sexy Hellfire club attire with bondage, Shadow King making Moira and others turn into sexy bondage freaks (complete with turning an innocent family into his mutant stalking bondage pets), Genosha mutant slavery with sexy bodysuits for errybody - the list goes on. And on and on and on.
>>151339624I just really dislike when it’s the only focus for so damn long. I’m fine with it in bursts, which is part of why I’m still alright with Classic Avengers, but in mainline it’s gotten to a point of completely meaningless rabid fervor that only exists to make the heroes miserable. Heavy topics like bigotry in lighter genres like cape stuff work best when they’re in “very special episodes” or serving a one-and-done story. Making them the extended focus of a weekly ongoing is just begging for misery porn and/or rushed and dumbed-down tackling of the issue, which is what a lot of Claremont’s later stuff is feeling like.It’s handled much better in Classic or God Loves, Man Kills; you can tell he wasn’t rushing those nearly as much and it’s much more tolerable there. But I would still prefer that the X-Men be “weirdos from birth trying to do the best they can and find solace in each other” as opposed to “the world’s most-hated minority fighting a world that hates them.”
>>151340180I always felt like the prejudice aspect came and went. The peak is probabvly God Loves, Man Kills. But the prejudice aspect was never that bad, at least for me, in the Claremont era. Now 00s/10s it got ridiculous.
>>151340151Claremont was based.>Rumours he fucked OG Storm cosplayers back in the day.
>>151340180>Making them the extended focus of a weekly ongoing is just begging for misery porn and/or rushed and dumbed-down tackling of the issueHonestly, the allegory was only ever meant to be simple, it was never meant to be complicated. Watch an old TV show with a hook, that hook is a multifaceted way of creating drama or stories. Initially X-Men's hated and feared was no different to Spider-Man being hated by JJJ or Hulk being misunderstood. Claremont injected the politics into it, especially Magneto Holocaust survivor, God Love's, Man Kills as well as all the times Kitty said a racial slur. But still, I don't think it was misery porn or dumbed down, I think it was just a superhero comic first and foremost and that angle just gave them stuff to work with. People taking it too seriously is the problem (both the audience and creators).
>>151340646>as well as all the times Kitty said a racial slur.kek, I just picked up an older edition of God Loves, Man Kills last month specifically because they don't censor Kitty dropping the N-bomb like they've recently done.
>>151340911Claremont's defense of the censorship is a bit.. eh.
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>>151340962Huh, what hispanic gang language did they change?
>>151340950>>151340962The omnibus that collected God Loves, man Kills didn't censor it. But then New Mutants and another X-Men omni did.
>>151336714Recognizing that Cyclops is an idiot, that Emma is just a whore who only serves as a "sexy villain," that Mystique is committed to the mutant cause more than being a lesbian victim bitch, Charles is right and makes the ethnocentric imbecile Magneto understand >>> Glazing Cyclops with 20 bitches who dump him, giving "relevance" to the stupid bimbo blonde, whatever they did with Mystique, the whiny bastard who should have died in the Holocaust "was right"
>>151340986I only have the original so I don't know.
>>151340950For being an uppity 80's socially-conscious teenager, Kitty had her unfathomably BASED moments.
>>151340950>New Mutants #45It's really bizarre to me that THAT issue, of all issues, was one of my first Marvel comics my mom got me in a bundle of wholesale comics as a kid.(The context is a mutant kid who was being bullied committed suicide, Kitty's at his memorial service).
what went wrong?
>>151340180There was this one page from xmen that waud wrote that summed up most of what I wanted explored in the comics. Onslaught showed the thinking process of one of grayden creeds political helpers.He didnt hate mutants he didnt give a fuck about them. But he understood hate abd antimutant hate. And used this understanding to create more of it and fan the flames to put grayden in office.They never trully talk about it in a real way. Its just surface level dats bad stuff and they move on. Thats part of the problem. The other problem is that the hate starts and stops at mutants. It makes sense to be afraid of super beings or children randomly manifesting the ability to melt an entire city. Thats rational. But its never treated rationally. Its just hate for hates sake.
>>151341027>Mystique is committed to the mutant causeThe fuck are you blathering about.
>>151337054Oh please, that corny ass cartoon is just Magic School Bus with fighting
>>151341170>what went wrong?Everything post Claremont is:>Do the Outback years, AGAIN.Move the team somewhere new: Utopia, Krakoa, the MOON, SPACEEEE, Alaska.>Do Dark Phoenix, AGAIN.Someone big better fucking die, we need cosmic shenanigans.>Do Days of Future Past, AGAIN.Which timeline is it now??>Do Mutant Massacre, AGAIN.House of M/Decimation, too many fucking mutants.And they did this so much that people were like, we need a new status quo for mutants or something. And it went crazy.>>151341204See: >>151340646I don't think it is all surface level, I think it has different levels, but honestly I think people read into it too much a bunch.
>>151336714Crazy statement to make honestly. Dont see it at all outside of some assinine desire to be contrarian.
>>151341223But the comics cant stay surface level or else it will delve into a victimization bitchathon. Yes thats a good hook. But this is something that demands those facets. Its actually very irresponsible.
>>151336714I mean classic X-men seems to be universally agreed to be their peak & they just all fall apart from the 2000s onwards. Just like most comic book concepts.
>>151341062Back then, calling a mutant "mutie" was an insult.
>>151341442I love the academy x cast and the new x-men stuff myself. But it is hard to argue any character past x-23 was good.
>>151336714>Wolverine is the leaderOpinions discarded.
>>151341966And Laura didn't exactly have the best introduction to the comics.
>>151341223>House of M/Decimation, too many fucking mutants.I don't quite get the "too many mutants" argument. There's entire civilizations of Inhumans. Mutates (grated largely in the Savage Land), and all manner of alien civilizations. Each could flood the comics with characters.But as long as they don't try to utilize too many characters at any given time, even when otherwise surrounded by mutants, what's the big deal? Take the gala issues, for instance. So many mutants crammed into once space, but most relegated to cameos. Very few actually are pertinent to whatever central plot is happening.
>>151342224We can all ignore nyx and pretend she debuted in the claremont book, or her minis.
>>151342445Only if we ignore Tom Taylor's Laura & the Bendis stuff. Pretty much write off the relaunch in 2012.
>>151342158cycuck lost
>>151336714When I was little I watched the cartoon and then the movies but I always though the comics must be better. Then when I finally read them it turns out they're worse.
>>151341392Which do you prefer the last 20 years of Comic X-men or Fox X-men?
>>151341204>The other problem is that the hate starts and stops at mutants.It makes sense to be afraid of super beings or children randomly manifesting the ability to melt an entire city.The absolute most bizarre part is that Claremont fucking acknowledges this, at some point between issues #200-230 (forgot the specifics), where in an anti-mutant conversation between NPCs someone brings up mutates and other heroes. The other guy can’t give a straight answer, and I think he just pivots from the topic by claiming he has black friends or something like that so he’s not racist. It’s fucking stupid, why even bring up that this makes little to no sense if you’re not going to explain yourself?
>>151341204>The other problem is that the hate starts and stops at mutantsThis is simply not true. Every single Marvel hero has issues because Marvel reused ideas that worked. Peter Parker was hated by JJJ and the Daily Bugle, Hulk was hunted, Avengers/FF both had PR issues and problems. Mutates, superheroes and other people have been hated, distrusted and feared before. The meta issue is that people hyper focus on X-Men without the context of thinking about other stories. Sure, there is a consistency issue and the problem is, it's impossible to be editorially consistent with so many titles and books in a universe. People get way too hyper fixated on the allegory in the X-Men. It's a superhero book first and foremost and people forget that and then it becomes this cycle of the creators and the audience constantly focused on it.It is mostly surface level sure, it's meant to be don't judge a book by it's cover level, because it's not meant to be taken 100% factually and realistic. But people do take it seriously. Most of it is story hooks for adventures but people want a level of consistency you just can't do in an ongoing comic.
>>151336714Truth nuke
>>151336714Perhaps
>>151341219Watch season 3+ again
