>"This is for you. All of you."
Bump if you're reading.
>>151347277What did I miss? Last issue I read was the one where Cap and Hawkeye fight Wanda and Pietro
>>151347344May!!
>>151347344>hisako missing again
This kinda reads like a liberal power fantasy but it might be me.
And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
>>151347412Yeah pretty much>>151347397Oh boy they're going to be slaughtered, aren't they
>>151347377>ywn disintegrate from america chavez’s kissgiwtwm
this is so ass
>>151347395From what i can get, this fury is going to betray the maker
>>151347307I thought all the Mysterios died
>>151347593It’s about that time too right like every year or so fury tries to betray council but gets killed by them
>>151347593I mean makes sense. He keeps doing it then gets killed then rebuilt. The cycle perpetually starts over. But of course this time will be different
>>151347300>fourth panelDamn, Karnak really hit rock bottom.
>>151347644It's the Mysterio amalgamation but they drew it without the skeleton head inside.
>>151347383Oh cool, baby Shang-Chi is taking Danny to K'un-Lun to get the Iron Fist
>>151347307Is Tony talking about Attilan on this page?
>>151347350not deadpool & ghost rider
>>151347356May a cute.CUTE!!
this is somehow the best ultimate book too bad its all almost over
>>151348169The cutest character in the Ultimate Universe.
>>151347271others coversThe Ultimates #18 Adam Pollina VariantThe Ultimates #18 InHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantThe Ultimates #18 1:25 Andrea Sorrentino Variant>STUNG BY THE WASP! It's the Ultimate Betrayal! Wasp has been a double agent for the Maker's Council in the name of protecting her family... but now, with the Maker emerging, her treachery must be answered for!The Ultimates #19 InHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantThe Ultimates #19 Stefano Caselli VariantThe Ultimates #19 1:25 Taurin Clarke Variant>THE FIRE AND THE (SERGEANT) FURY! Following up on the darkly brilliant ULTIMATE UNIVERSE: ONE YEAR IN... the Maker's Council's army of Nick Fury LMDs comes back into play! Secrets of the Fury program — and of H.A.N.D. — will be revealed!The Ultimates #20 InHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantInHyuk Lee Ultimate Special VariantThe Ultimates #20 Salvador Larroca VariantSalvador Larroca VariantThe Ultimates #20 1:25 Carlos Magno Variant>LUKE CAGE AND THE NEW AVENGERS! The New Avengers, led by Luke Cage, take on the Maker’s Council! Prisoners turned super-powered heroes thanks to the heroic catalysts reclaimed from the Maker... in an all-out brawl across the globe!
>>151348174Is there an unofficial ranking? I remember Ultimate Black Panther being regarded as the worst because it was boring, but then Ultimate Wolverine came out.
>>151347435> city opens up and the maker immediately shits on all of themwould be so kino and hilarious at the same time
>>151347412It's the first good woke book. It actually makes it look kinda appealing instead of gay.
Absolute mogs this shit so hard, and they haven't even released an issue in basically a month!
>>151347558As pointed out in every thread at this point, the time skipping was a massive mistake, at this point shots just happening
>>151348888Absolute feels like it's actually planned out, the last month or so of the Ultimate books has felt like everyone is rushing to meet a deadline
>>151347271I hope Maker will instakill all ultimates just for lulz and put all those freedom loving nigerinos, poor and ugly people in their rightful place.But sadly that's not happening. Maker probably will try to destroy this world as failed experiment. Of course ultimates will beat him with power of friendship, justice and america (gay one).
>>151347416This was a good comic for the first couple of issues, but ever since about #4 or #6 most issues have just felt more like summaries instead of actual stories. We're told the things that happen, but rarely do we see the characters making their choices, acting, or dealing with the consequences. Every issue is over so quick and then of course there has to be the month long time skip in between that and the next one. Such a damn waste.>>151347412At least it's not as bad as the post-election Asgard issue, which was entirely splash pages filled with bad faux-Shakespearean nonsense about rising up.
>>151348846This isn't good at all.
>>151348427>Is there an unofficial ranking?I feel like for the lower end, yes. Most people will agree that Wolverine is the worst and Black Panther is second worst, though it did pick up (far too late, but it's better than nothing). Between Ultimates, Spider-Man, and X-Men, it's really a toss-up. My personal list is probablySpider-Man > Ultimates > X-Men > BP > Wolverinebut you'll find people who swear by X-Men instead. Plus a book like Ultimates running a consistent one-and-done formula makes it very fluctuating in quality from month to month. Also there's that Miles book but it got memory-holed so hard I had to type it after finishing the captcha because I forgot about it. I didn't even read the ending, so I don't know what happened there.
>>151347307Nice for Camp to reference Spider-man.
>>151348940Hickman wasn't even aware that Ultimate would end like that lmao.
>>151349135Honestly it would be neat if they actually had the balls to just have them lose to the Maker
>>151349191I honestly think X-Men is way worse than anyone will ever admit it is, I genuinely think it's completely carried by Peach's artwork
>>151350223I think it started decently strong. It had a hook, it had a lot of fun things it could've done with its premise, the team building was fun enough, but then it stalled so hard in the middle right when shit should've been ramping up that the book never really recovered. I think it'll end decently strong enough, but the wasteland that was basically the middle chunk of this run really drags it down. If it weren't for the art, I have a feeling that opinions would definitely be shifted closer to BP. It kinda mirrors it.
>>151348890Constantly expanding the team was a bigger mistake imo.
Campy
>>151347350>Iron lad after discovering r/antiwork
>>151347383Going to be hilarious and cruel if child Shang-Chi have Danny Rand fight the Hulk in order to reclaim the power of the Iron Fist.
>>151347359>>151347377>>151347317What are america's powers in this universe?
>>151347350I haven't kept up with this series for a while now. Deadpool & Ghost Rider are working with Luke Cage?
>>151347354Why is wanda so white?
>>151347354>>151352099Why is Wanda blushing and acting bashful about murder? And why haven't they let the kids wash their faces and get a change of clothes in all these months? The smell in there must be rancid.
>>151347397Thanks for the dump. The pacing gimmick continues to weigh this down as it goes on. I guess the developments here are a decent answer to the question I had before of how the hell they're going to turn the tides with so little time left. The previous issue focusing on the random civilian makes more sense now. Everyone piling up resistance big and small spread out everywhere grinds the machine to a halt. Decent answer but I can't help but feel the time gimmick has made the last stretch too exposition focused especially with the bigger cast. Maybe the general pacing will improve now that time has run out.
>>151347658It turned out that the flaw in all things was that there's wasn't anything taking his mind off them.
>>151347412They couldn't have made it more overt if they put Midas back in the fucking White House.
>>151347271white men never get to be depicted being confident and coolits always just girl bosses while white men are just losers or idiots or weaklings who do nothing
>>151347300PWOTECT THE POOW PEOPULliberals must be exterminated like the vermin they are
>>151349135BASED x 1488
>>151353087Dude, what about Iron Lad's whole speach.
>>151347377I love that he's clearly loving he got the kiss more then caring about the fact he's being vaporised
everything about this story reminds me of this videohttps://youtu.be/gFxu3Q71NvE
>>151347412How would a conservative power fantasy would read?
>>151353916I dunno, it would definitely play up the patriotism part more.
>>151350134He knew this ending was coming. He just thought it would keep going after the ending.
>>151353916Maker's POV
>>151353916It would have less powerless, white men being slaughtered by superhumans who call themselves “freedom fighters”
>>151347412not liberal, liberals are largely content with the status quo of neverending slow rot unless the charlatans like Trump expose the facadePretty sure based off this series that Camp is some flavour of anarchist or communist
Just found out the same guy who writes this writes Absolute Martian Manhunter. Makes sense why I like both. I tend to not like modern comics and Ultimates has had more 'down' issues than Absolute MM but I enjoy them both.
>>151354841"Fight the system" is typical libslop. There hasn't been "pro-status quo" fiction since maybe the 50s.
>>151355015What do you do when the status quo becomes indefensible?
>>151354916Most people prefer AMM. Ultimates is shit. The worst of his comics I've read so far.
>>151355106>Most people prefer AMM.I don't doubt it, given the population of /co/
>>151354841He feels like a liberal leftist, the kind that still believes that everything can be fixed with community help and wants prisons to be abolished.
>>151355199Your impression and definition of them is highly skewed, you're looking at deeper extremes to get to that position.
>>151355077The left has been starch defenders of the status quo and pushing the illusion of change via woke politics, which is the ultimate cockblock towards ACTUAL change, because actual change would mean ending the neo liberal status quo that keeps the left in power.It's why Trump is so reviled by the left because he point blank calls out how they are responsible for the horrors of the modern world and actually trying to change shit. And on the flip side, you have actual communists, DSA Socialists, BLM, anarchists, and the modern KKK aka Antifa. The left humors them and co-opts their leaders but will never give them power outside of the ability to harm/kill conservatives and other "acceptable targets" because they see them as nothing more than brown shirt thugs to enforce the status quo of the left. Which creates problems as you see in NYC, where the Democrats became so reliant on these groups for low end support, that they've started to get SA tier delusions of grandeur that they should run the party and have their mad commie ideas made into reality, regardless if they won't work or would cut into the money being made by the Democrat elites.
>>151355015The 80s are some pretty pro-Staus Quo fiction
>>151353916Proud American Patriots (who may be brown) rebelling against the Maker's evil globalist (and/or jewish) cabal.
>>151355338Eh, the biggest comics of the 80s are Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns which are as far from pro-status quo as it gets.
I hate how the new Ultimate has no sense of humor and is all about plot. The most annoying thing during Hickman's takeover was that he just kept killing characters and writing those boring stories. Still, he had a sense of humor about it and had some gems. Like Reed Richard Ultimate, who is the best version of the character. So far, I only like Peach Momoko's art, which didn't bring anything new to the table. It's crazy how it makes me like manga less.
This entire universe has been a mistake, some miserable fart sniffing slop about a bunch of retards beating around the bush thinking people want to hear superheros give pep talks instead of actual fighting. The little fights they do have need to be rushed because some retard thought it was a good idea to do that real time shit, so everything has to be a flashback or a single text bubble.
>>151355578Why do you want a lot of comedy in a super hero book? There are other comics for that
>>151355698>comedyHe didn't say that, retardEveryone is talking about what they've done or what they'll do, even the shit between UltDoom and Tony is reduced to "yeah nigga I know I have time powers remember anyway gotta setup more pages and speeches", nobody likes each other, nobody has time to talk to each other, or banter, or joke, or have a lighthearted conversation, not even a trendy-cringe one that makes it "grounded and realistic", the best shit we have is in Ult Spiderman and all the romance and trust between the characters is already built.We're just getting daily standups in comic form.
>>151347271This shit is moving at a snail's pace. Literally every Ultimate book has nothing going on and little has been achieved by the characters. Ultimate Spidey being the biggest offender and not even the MC of his book. That honor goes to Harry.No wonder DCs Absolute line is clapping them.
>>151352465>time has run outnotto desu shitto again
>>151349156>summaries instead of storiesWelcome to comics for the last 25 years.
>>151356068>It was shit before so it's fine that it's shit now
>The 9 to 5 retard will stop working>The cop will stop shooting civillians>The local junkie will fight for his freedomOh no! How will the supergenius with elastic powers and 2 years of prep time in a city full of tech manage?Are we still doing the Kang & infinite Ultimates thing from the first issue?
>>151347412Yeah it's been getting progressively more and more obnoxious
>>151355926Quips and banter ruined super hero movies by making every life threatening situation a joke so I am going to assume they are steering clear of that.
>>151356315You're so fucking stupid
>>151355926The Rubber Man with the Plan and 200 years prep time (or however much the time dilation is there) is coming for them. No time to have lighthearted conversation
>>151355926>We're just getting daily standups in comic form.I'm stealing that. That's beautiful.
>>151353916TAKINGAMERICABACKEver played Metal Wolf Chaos?Alternatively, the Day of the Rope.
>>151355323I cannot understand why we're not hunting antifa from the streets and hanging them from lampposts. The Right has more men and more guns, the Left should be shitting their pants at the thought of a violent confrontation.Just have the police step out of the way and things will get resolved very quickly.
>>151356688I mean the Dems love antifa and blacks, so that's why they evaded all consequences.BLM has been really quiet since the election, they know the consequences now.
>>151356784Why would someone like antifa? Those fuckers are domestic terrorists
>>151355106I feel like it's because he literally doesn't have the time to properly build up and flesh out anything in Ultimates, I don't know why he thought the timeskipping was a good idea when he himself can't even make it work
>>151347350Is that Juggernaut?
>>151355952Because the time jumping means nothing matters, you can't have meaningful development I'd the setups and payoffs are going to get skipped over or resolved offscreen, genuinely fucking baffling to me neither Camp or Hickman forsaw this coming
>>151347368>>151347377F
>Kageyama got rejected by Hisako, but the final battle still hasn't started>we still don't know what's up with Mysterio after the suicide bombing>USM's ending got delayed until January and we don't know what consequences that will have over Endgame>none of the villains have been dealt with except the Egyptian guys, Kraven, Felicia's dad, Midas, and Omega Red (most of them minor enemies)>Endgame's covers already kinda spoiled that nothing will happen to Magik and Colossus by the time Wolverine ends>all of the Resistance in Eurasia is fucking dead because lol shock factor (the fuck is wrong with Condon? He was doing great in Green Arrow)>we STILL don't know what the fuck happened to Jim (and no, I won't stop reminding people of it until Camp explains it either on the story or on his X)>turns out the Child of Light isn't T'Challa's or Ororo's for the matter being, it's just a gateway for the final battle>Doom is changing his fit for the final battle, now looking more like 616 Victor, and we still don't know what's with his eyes (this can't go unanswered all the way to April, can it?)>all the shenanigans with Wasp and Fury will be explained in the next Ultimates issues>but at least all of the important people got the memo on the final battle, except Wolverine because fuck that bookI'm gonna have to keep doing this reminder thing until these plotlines get resolved.
>>151352099cuz she's asian, not a nog.
>>151357344Millar managed to get the original done in a neat twelve issues. There's a lot you can blame on the timeskip format, but the fact of the matter is that Camp just hasn't planned this out well at all. His writing is so loose and self-indulgent; you could have given him a decade, and he still wouldn't be any further than this.
>>151347350The Trots are at it again
>>151354841Camp is just a progressive lib
>>151356688This
>>151357705If the well has a radio receiver then Logan's entire skeleton can catch the message.
>>151357705Who the fuck is Jim?
>>151358538hammonds history that was erased
>>151353916"conservative power fantasy" is jut working 905 and slaving away your life while the top 1% continue to leech your money and services and......oh
>>151358538The Human Torch from the Invaders. One of Captain Americas friends. They fought in WW2 with Namor
>>151357705I still think Hickman set-up Benom becoming evil and I hope it happens in the next two issues.
>>151357705Condon feels like he's a bygone relic from the 2017 era of Marvel deliberately ignoring/messing up X-Men in stories and media to try and push the MCU more, because he definitely writes Ultimate Wolverine like he's got a vendetta against the IP
>>151347286Elon Musk?
>>151347412>This kinda reads like a liberal power fantasyIt is pretty much communist propaganda at this point.
>>151350223>>151350477Nah the middle was alright, problem is the last few have just turned into>alright we're finally going to have a clash between the X-men vs. the mutants under the command of the Council>nevermind, Kageyama(Shadow King) has shown up to stop the fighting and making it all about Hisako againDoesn't help that the first time we actually see the "big bosses" of the book besides Viper finally take action, is in the fucking Miles book instead.
>>151361860you must be 18 to post on this site
>>151349191>Also there's that Miles book but it got memory-holed so hard I had to type it after finishing the captcha because I forgot about it. I didn't even read the ending, so I don't know what happened there.The Miles book was such a let down because it all just to set up a mother event. And the timeline of events were extremely inconsistent. (Like Mei and Miles going to Eurasia and fought Magic) And the only connector was the last issue because it connects to #17 of The Ultimates
>>151362173>And the only connector was the last issue because it connects to #17 of The UltimatesNah, actually considering Doom doesn't specify that he found out about the Maker's identity thanks to Miles, you can still surmise he just eventually figured it out while he was looking at the files for the history of the main universe version of the FF since Maker would still have the same powers of Mr. Fantastic and displayed similar level of intelligence considering that he also made the Ultimate Nulifier against Galactus.
>>151361860If it was commie propaganda the party (Maker's council) would be winning instead
interesting idea this universe was but its about to die and nothing really came of it
>>151364412I am glad for what we got and honestly, I prefer the Parker family and Maystorm to be their own thing instead of being abruptly transferred into the main Marvel universe.
bump
reminder that our heroes are filled with rapists and violent racists :)
>>151353087the protagonists of this series are two white men and they do everything
>>151347277Bump
>>151347344Hey, those are X-sukebans! Looking cute and funny as always
>>151347416So it seems next issue is going to be Wasp's reckoning. I wonder if they are going to deal with her Army of Shadows style.
>>151355323>>151356688>>151356784News flash: there is not an actual "left" in power anywhere in the disunited states. Neoliberal capitalists using culture war d&c tactics to divide the left side of the proletariat on behalf of the 1% are not left wing by any stretch of the imagination no matter how much they harp on about trannies and police aggression against black and brown people (without, you know, actually trying to do anything substantial about it). The old school neocons and new school MAGAs do the same thing to the right side of the proletariat btw, using anti-abortion activism, misogyny and anti-black racism to achieve the same ends for the same rich bastards who financially back both. >>151357161"antifa" means anti-fascist, dimwit. If you're anti-antifascist then what does that make you?
>>151368509>we call ourselves the anti-bad guy squad, that excuses all our actions, don't you know we're the good guys?
>>151365883That shit makes no sense.
>>151363370Wrong. It's about fooling the masses, not the ones in power.
>>151368509Better than antifa
>>151363370Is The Maker historically progressive?
>>151362139>Vast majority of the X-Men Brazil Mutant shot happened off screen outside of any books>Condon is just doing his own isolated thing>The Hi No Kuni council is only just now getting involved in the X-Girl nonsense The Ultimate Mutant shit is a genuine fucking mess
>>151368973>this is bad actually
>>151365883In fairness, considering this whole universe was manipulated by Maker behind the scenes, I don't think its far too off to consider that half of the inmates were actually legitimate heroes in the original 616 universe and just basically framed by the Maker to put them into prison. Meanwhile he employed the actual bad guys as underlings for his Council.
>>151369282Having three different mugga groups on the council was a mistake.
The Ultimates are the real villains and the Maker did nothing wrong, the world is supposed to be a big torture chamber where only the elites are free to do as they please.
>>151369888>>151369282I guess it could have been worse since Captain Britain is normally heavily associated with X-things and they didn't have Apocalypse for Egypt stuff.
>>151369872How convenient that Tony's side is full of pure-hearted revolutionaries with not one opportunist in sight.
>>151369405I guess people hate losing their freedom.
>>151368865>>151368509Piss off salty antifaggot
>>151370859I'm a right winger, retard.
>>151347317Final panel could've made for one killer ass shot
>>151371812You are a faggot
>>151371834Not with this art style.
