He's up to something tricky bastard. Lets discuss.
Why did he want emily to get her wing singed off
Alastor would have died to this without interferenceWhy is this thing stronger than overlords
Why didn’t he kill Vox when he was just a head at the end he literally has nothing holding him back from doing it?
>>151360834he's such a shit stirrer i love it
>>151361079He doesn't actually hate Vox.
>>151360834In the sweltering summer of 32.
All I know is that Emily saved his life and lost a limb to save him and that crazy yume who was suicidal about reading some dumb fanfiction where alastor and emily became a couple is probably about to throw herself off a building rn.
>>151361079For all Alastor bullies Vox for relying on others, how often does Alastor rely on Vox to further his own plans/improve his reputation and even break his deals for him?
>>151361237i’ll watch this show for the hetslop if it’s true. i've seen one episode and got fuck else to look forward to cartoon wise.
>4+ shizo threads about Hz on 1 pageShizos didn't take their meds, or normies finally able to watch last episodes?
>>151361336There's always Black Hat.
>>151360834I could beat and rape this twink with zero effort.
>>151361079Alastor doesn’t want to kill him, he wants to prove a point.
>>151361516Can't listen to his gay edgelord shit if he's gargling on your cum.
>inb4 viv nerfed him so bad just so he could be alastor's bitch in season 3
>>151361237One of the shameless Alastor yumes here: I definitely got scared/sad seeing the descriptions and screencaps but after watching the episode it’s such an actual nothingburger that I feel embarrassed even worrying about it in the first place kek
>>151361237Emily is more likely going to try to help Abel and Lute out in seasons 3 and 4 to prevent them from losing themselves.
>>151361573Why is your form of love so pathetic? Female love is always so delusional and moronic. Why can't you love like a man loves a woman? with testosterone and intelligence?
I thought yumes hated gays and bi men
>>151361886I AM A MAN *SMACK* I saw your tits. your brown areola is ugly as shit.
>>151361053Based Shockwave, undisputed champion of Hell
>>151361053Shockwave could 1:1 Megatron and Optimus Prime
>>151361053Explain why it stops attacking Alastor.>PROTIP: You can't.Explain why it just sits there while Vox gets his head ripped off.>PROTIP: You can't.Explain why Vox's head doesn't order it to attack after he gets his head ripped off.>PROTIP: You can't.Explain why Viv's writing is full of holes.>PROTIP: She's retarded.
>>151361053>Why is this thing stronger than overlordsIt's a robot so it doesn't play by the same rules as fleshy demons.
why did Charlie just admitting vox was the strongest sinner suddenly break rosies deal?
5 more seasons of hazbin
Vox's solo dance in Brighter was hella fruity. Interesting perspective of him when he's by himself
>>151362843Because Vox's power is tied to his approval rating, and Charlie's admission boosted his ratings through the roof, which made Vox stronger than Alastor, which meant that Rosie hadn't held up her end of the deal.
He's going to hire a gang of angels to abduct and gang rape Charlie to torture her while he engages in a hostile takeover of the Hotel and uses it as his base to usurp Lucifer and become the new Devil.
tfw next time we see vox he'll be mounted on a wall as a TV with wires coming out of his neck as he slowly reforms
Call me back when we're talking about Roo.
>>151360834>He's up to something>Got off his leash>Got Rosie to give him even more power (Rosie is apparently just loaded)>Got a new plaything he knows can't fight back (Lucifer)What do you mean, up to? He's basically won. >>151361053My question is why the fuck is Vox the only Overlord who seems to get power from popularity? Is that a form of magic anyone can pick up, or something only unique to TV-heads?Fuck I hate being instinctively curious about the metaphysics of a show I know only exists to churn out gay musicals. >>151362832Unironically this, just look at the giant angeltech canon siphoning Lucifer's power. >>151362830To be fair if I were the shark and I had to put up with Vox's shit 24/7 I'd halfass everything too. You're absolutely right though that Viv is retarded and I need to actively stop thinking when exposed to this show.
>>151363702>My question is why the fuck is Vox the only Overlord who seems to get power from popularity?Seems like power comes from belief, the entire show seems centered around that concept, to be honest. In Vox case belief = ratings, for Alastor seems to be fear, for Carmilla her market. We didn't get a proper explanation yet, though, but I think we'll get it eventually
If it were up to me I'd set up Alastor to start getting obsessed over Sir Pentious like how Vox was with him because he proved Alastor wrong that Redemption exists and friends are true strength. Alastor would start delving deeper and deeper into Hell for more power ala Virgil all while Sir Pentious just has to be happy.
>>151363764>for Carmilla her marketI don't get the impression she gets power from it at all, she just stabs people with her feet. And what about Zestial? He just kind of lurks in the background and everyone instinctively agrees he's hot shit. Not even sure Alastor gets his juice from fear, rather than simply collecting souls Alucard style.>I think we'll get it eventuallyI have a bad feeling there is no explanation, Vox simply got powerful because Vivzie thought it would be dramatically appropriate for the big bad villainous TV man to transform, and much like the care bear stare it will never be brought up again.
>>151363799If it were up to me I'd actually fucking do something with Baxter instead of have him just kind of hang out and solve everything from connecting Heaven with Hell to hacking a fucking Overlord remotely. Seriously there was a golden opportunity to actually show what a "healthy" rivalry is and contrast that with Alastor and Vox's fujobait nonsense, but Vivzie seemingly wants to talk about literally everything EXCEPT the hotel functioning normally until a certain amount of dramatic tension has passed and happy days are here again.
>>151363834It's weird, he was supposed to be in season 1 originally and now that he's here. He's just there?
Vox isn't getting any power from popularity, otherwise he'd be fucking unstoppable in the middle of the season.He's just peacocking during those scenes, he was already powerful enough back then that alastor considered him almost an equal, vox would be much stronger than alastor in the modern age otherwise.
You know what I just realized doesn't make any sense? Lucifer can't harm sinners, but then you see the laser (powered entirely by him) vaporize a bunch of people. Given that the laser is apparently just stealing his power, you would think it would have the same limitations, unless it's a purely psychological thing (which is dumb).
>>151363885Why is it dumb ? We can see him stopping midway through a punch, he's clearly under mental duress.
Charlie's entire involvement in this season is trying to phone her mom, get trolled by vox and then taking part in the hell spirit bomb singalong at the end.This is the main character.
>>151361053It’s only logical
>>151363991
Alastor won't be the Big Bad for a while imo. Both of the sequel hooks in this season that just finished tell us>Lute is going to try to kill Vaggie or at least abduct and torture her, maybe lie about her being dead or hide her whereabouts; Vaggie might possibly die and later get revived Search for Spock style>Lilith doesn't approve of or support the Hotel and goes on the war path against Lucifer and Charlie for supporting it after they refuse to cease and desist.
>>151363674Really, because I figured Valentino was just going to use him as a living fleshlight, tie his monitor head to a radiator, and grape him in the mouth for decades and decades and decades.
So Hazbin Hotel is, like, a metaphor where Hell represents AmeriCanada and Heaven represents the living conditions of Northern, Western, and Central Europe?
>>151364219no it's obviously an allegory for isreal and gaza
>>151364308Israel is fairly Heaven-like the last few times I visited. Lots of sunshine, well-lit but starless nights, sugary and diabeetus-inducing eiskaffee drinks as far as the eye can see. I haven't yet been to Gaza or the West Bank so can't compare them to Hell as such yet.
>>151363799Adding fuel to RadioSnake would be very interesting, I dig it.
>>151364442How does Sir Pentious have sex? What are the mechanics of that?
>>151362830It feels like the show just kind of assumed showav was destroyed by the cannon shot aimed at alastor but forgot to actually show it happening.
why does vox turn into a spider I thought sharks were his thingpick a lane dude there's already a spider dude
>>151364448He has 2 dicks
>>151360834His endgame is literally just becoming the biggest dick around and be able to do his sadistic acts against anyone he wants., which is pretty lame as motivations go.
>velvette's design is based on a doll/mannequinwas this shown before the last ep?i was confused as hell when they've shown her in pieces after the fall.sure, in the fight if you look closely you could see the doll joints, but i don't think it was hinted before. am i wrong?
>>151365044We saw the doll joints throughout the season
>>151364455But then they go out of their way to show him leaving with Val and Velvette totally undermining the idea he was doing anything but floating there the whole time, (somewhere).Here's the sequence of events, (a lot of it kinda brief so most people don't consciously remember it):>attack Alastor>see him with Alastor between his teeth basically being delivered to Vox like a dog returning a stick>Vox aims gun at Charlie, Alastor, etc.>Carmilla warns him it will explode if he fires it again>Vox goes on a 'fuck Hell and Heaven and everybody' rantThis is basically the point where everyone has forgotten about the shark and it's not shown, even though it should be right there, or at least somewhere in the vicinity.>Velvette and Val attack Vox and rip his head off>his shark does nothing>Vox becomes iPad and is basically defeated I guess even though he could presumably still order shark to attack>everybody sings a song and takes a gazillion years to destroy Vox's superweapon>shark is there the whole time presumablyYour instinct is to dispute this and think it was destroyed or stopped somehow>nope.jpg because you see it leave with Val and VelvetteI even had some fag in another thread say it was stuck in a doorway and that's why it couldn't help Vox, but no, that's after it's leaving with the Vees.Bottom line: After building this thing up all series, the Viv needed it to be a non-element for the finale song to happen, so it was.It's basically like if James Bond incapacitated the villain, then his 800 pound gorilla henchman just stood there and watched Bond destroy his nuclear missile aimed at the White House or whatever and destroy his secret base. Meanwhile the villain didn't even try to order him to kill Bond.I'm sure the fags will do mental gymnastics to try to explain what it was doing or why it did nothing, but you can see how much of problem it gave Alastor, I'm sure it could at least fuck up Emily before anyone could react.
>>151365044Don't know about the rest of the speculation, but the 360 head swivel was the real telling moment:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xSL9G9JPyWQ
>>151363633What I want to know if why Charlie saying that gives him a boost.Everybody sees Charlie as a joke and a dumb nepobaby in-universe. Her "confirming" he's the strongest has as much weight as Todd Howard's opinion on how to make bug-free games.
>>151365038Honestly, given the cartoon, it's one of the better ones. The problem I have with the Hellaverse in general is how angels don't behave like angels and demons don't behave like demons. For example Lute is depicted as a crazy person because of her hatred of demons ever before Dickmaster died. Even though one of the most defining characteristics of Angels is their hatred of evil and fight against demons. The fact that Lute is the only one in Heaven who behaves the way she does is more surprising than anything else. Conversely demons are mostly characterized by their hostility towards humans and glorification of evil. But the majority of the cast are either demons or the damned yet they act like poor lost souls who just got lost on their way to Sunday school. Angel was a drug crazed murderer a year ago. Would anybody be merciful to Darrell Brooks if we knew his sad backstory. Is nobody actually burning in Hell? The eternal torment is just living in Detroit? So yeah Alastor just being a bad dude is a low bar but I still appreciate it. He's a demon that acts like a demon... mostly.
>>151365072>>151365097well, that's a real nice touch
>>151360834>do nothing>win She is unintentionally the funniest character in the show. The writers constantly make her incompetent and unlikable to justify sidelining her so they can focus on their favorite twink blorbos, but it has the unintended effect of making her a failing upwards mastermind because she is ultimately still the protagonist and has to still win in the end
>>151365044I could tell she was a doll from the beginning, even before they showed her doll joints and especially with her Raggedy Ann pilot look. I actually thought she was supposed to be more like a voodoo doll than a modern articulated one before I saw the joints. She does look a Bratz, I suppose.
>>151365104This. Her opinion - given under duress - which she may not even actually believe, has jackshit to do with Vox or Alastor's objective power level.Though it's heavily implied his power level is popularity/ratings based so therefore Alastor playing the cuck + Princess of Hell endorsement put him over the top presumably. And his popularity was shown hitting 100% at that point to be fair. Probably based on some Trump populist = mega-Hitler dictator bullshit I suspect.
>>151363633>Because Vox's power is tied to his approval ratingAm I missing something or was this literally never established before the final episode
>>151361053Honestly by now I hate Alastor. He literally was liberated from TWO crippling deals and he still could not beat Vox's pet shark? Talk about weak bitch. I can understand Alastor not being able to beat Vox but his pet? Alastor is trash. And I can't stand how arrogant Alastor is. He thinks he's powerful but he isn't. Really wanted anyone to put Alastor in his place.He started as the show's most enigmatic character now he's an annoying twat.
>>151365216It would've been hilarious if Charlie endorsing him had the opposite effect and made his approval rating sink because everyone hates Charlie. Why are the writers so unfunny man this could have been a funny twist
>>151365183I was thinking voodoo doll myself as something to do with her witchcraft in her origin story. Like she's a witch who used a voodoo doll or had one used on her or something:https://youtu.be/npjYTkzA2cA?t=4251
Al's been playing everything since he got there.
>>151365262Is that really how it works though? If someone you don’t respect says something that disagrees with your own beliefs and reinforces their own beliefs, you tend to go “eh, what does that fuckwit know”. But if they say something that goes AGAINST what you assume their beliefs to be, you tend to go “god damn, even THEY had to admit it, that’s how true it is”.Example, if Elon Musk says some piece of modern media is poisoned by woke feminism, the left will roll their eyes at what a retard he is. But if Elon Musk says “this show is completely unfair in its presentation of women” those same people won’t go>Well Elon Musk is retarded so it must actually be very progressive and thoughtful feminist writingThey’ll go “holy shit this show’s presentation of women is so bad is so bad EVEN ELON MUSK thinks it’s out of control”. It doesn’t undermine their opinions, it supercharges them, because even their detractors are forced to agree.Same with Charlie and Vox. If you were on the fence about Vox, seeing his most important and vocal public opponent get so humiliated by him that even SHE says “he’s the most powerful being in hell” all doubt has been permanently erased from your mind. Even if you didn’t otherwise respect her views very much.
>>151361040He seems embarassed, but grateful
>>151365232it's just a weird headcanon anons around here seem to havethe only actual evidence for it is charlie's words breaking rosie's deal with alastor, but that could have any number of other explanations
>>151361053>subtitles in the first episode refer to it as shock.wav>on-screen clip in last episode clarifies it’s shok.wav>suddenly remember everyone on /co/ who repeatedly spelled it shok.wav despite it never being presented that way to the audience in any form or fashionHow many insiders are shitposting here
>>151365171They basically turned her (ironically), into the 'straight man' of the show, like Jerry Seinfeld surrounded by weirdos. That's why she feels so different from the pilot where she's so cute and funny in and of herself.Still cracks me up the look on her face when she opens the door and sees Alastor the first time:https://youtu.be/Zlmswo0S0e0?t=1153In that Vaggie was more the straight man character and now she's an even more useless waste of time.So now you have the worst of both worlds, them both being the straight man sometimes, (one too many), and Charlie seeming more retarded when she acts childish because the straight man isn't supposed to act that way. If she was just another one of the 'weirdos' that Vaggie had to tolerate the crazy shenanigans of, it would be better for both their characters.You see the proper dynamic in the Pilot being set up right from the start:https://youtu.be/Zlmswo0S0e0?t=348
>>151360834what was even the point of Baxter as a character here?EVERYTHING HE DOES, PENTIOUS DID BETTER, the one chance Baxter to do something, the writing had to sabotage him and make pentious do it.he just a literal background character you could erase and nothing changes
>>151365497Nixy's boytoy
>>151365497Viv has come out and said he was supposed to be a red herring with the audience assuming he was the one feeding Vox inside information prior to the Angel Dust reveal, but they didn’t have time to set it up as cleanly as they planned.
>>151365494there's nothing about charlie that's a straight man at all in this season, dunno what you're on about. She's hyper and emotional all the damn time and her general perspective is shared by others in the show, making it non-unique.
What's Valentino looking at? He can't tell because his eyes are shit, so help him out.
>>151365530>as cleanly as they planned... that was not set up AT ALL, what the hell ? The ONLY moment that makes you second guess if vox knows more than he should is his gambit with lucifer, and I just chalked it up as bad writing. There was no reason to believe there was a mole, let alone that baxter was it.
Just popping in to laugh from the bottom of my gut at all the actual retards that refused to accept that Alastor was pretending even though it was incredibly obvious from the start.
>>151365494She's not a straight man in any way what Charlie is, is a retarded shit for brains who is shielded from failure by Bad Writing.
>>151365555pretending what
>>151365550>Make a violent sexual abuser character>Make him a sassy, flamboyant prison bitchThe fact he makes Angel Dust suffer is just a bonus at this point, Val is such a good character.
>>151365550Here you go, king
>>151365571>>151365573No, you're supposed to edit him into pictures, like this.
I think this was cute. How even Alastor, Valention and Velvette joined.
>>151365494>>151365171Season 1 Charlie was retarded and annoying, but she was willing to get serious when the push comes to shove and showed some glimmers of intelligence.She actually fought Exorcists and Adam.In S2 she's a fucking useless retard who did nothing. When Emily had more to do than your protagonist, you kinda fucked up.
>>151365550
>>151365458Charlie already lost and ever since the pilot it has been established that no one ever took her seriously. I'm saying it would be a funny twist if people bought into Vox's propaganda so much that they would believe the opposite of everything Charlie says, which is how people treat controversial public figures in real life. If Charlie were actually competent, put up a legitimate fight against Vox, and the entirety of Hell didn't hate her, this scene would make more sense. Again it's so strange how the show goes out of its way to make Charlie fail repeatedly and then pretend that she was a legitimate threat to Vox only when it's convenient to the plot, like in this instance. So much garbage writing in this finale
S3 better not be fucking Angelslop I hate that fag spider so much
>>151365638kek
>>151365678It's going to focus on the Morningstar Family more (Lilith season)
>>151365644>I thought it was cringe especially when Charlie said after the threat was neutralized that the power of friendship won.I think it was hilarious how Charlie refused to change her morals like fans wanted her to and still won
>>151365709what did she win ? literally nothing changed for her between the finale of last season and this one, except that she is aware of pensious' redemption
will vox get his body back
Not gonna lie guys, that final song was mad gay.
>>151365735bro it was a nuke about to blow their faces offthey just sang along cause the song was catchy
>>151365695>Viv does this because she doesn't want Charlie's Mary Sue handsCharlie is definitely not a Mary Sue when the show spent the entire season going out of its way to depict her as incompetent and wrongI don't get why people keep repeating this "the show keeps excusing Charlie's actions" when the show constantly hits you over the head explicitly telling you how wrong and stupid she is. Like how could you see the song Speedrun to Redemption and your takeaway is that the show is agreeing with her That's not the issue with her writing. The issue is she is given no development, depth, or agency despite being the protagonist. It's obvious they made her intentionally unlikable and incompetent to justify sidelining her for Alastor and Vox
Okay, this marketing stunt for the finale was pretty cool. Must have cost a fortunehttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ccq1eACZX-A
>>151365530>but they didn’t have time to set it up as cleanly as they plannedWhich is short for "we're bad at writing and planning". You know the team is unprofessional as hell when they constantly have to give out these clarifications on social media and not the show itself.Maybe don't go for some overly dramatic, tacky Heaven vs Hell soap opera with a bloated cast for your 8 episode seasons and let us chill with the original ensemble and setting first?
>>151365800>the fucking AI voices on top of the clipjesus this shit cracks me up
>>151365831that made me laugh too.>what IS this? is this real life?
>this plotpoint brought up by Val is never addressed
>>151365857they made a laser surely they can make planes
>>151365618>>151365644Remember that this entire moment would’ve been avoided if Viv avoided giving Vox a season and kept her original story road map.
>>151365726>what did she win ?>Vox throws a tantrum, self sabotages his entire plan, never even reaches Heaven, cries and shits his pants over Alastor not loving him, tries to blow himself up>Entirety of hell turns on Vox, saw that redemption is possible, and that Pentious redeemed himself with the help of the Hazbin Hotel>The hotel is flooded with people seeking redemption>Heaven is on good terms with CharlieCharlie MorninGOAT...she can't keep getting away with it...snatching victory from the jaws of failure...
>>151361313He doesn't give a shit about being hypocritical if it works to rustle Vox's jimmies and make him move how he wants
>>151365038I'm not sure what else a psychotic asshole would do to make their eternal Hell more entertaining
>>151365618>the power of friendship>your friend's literal rapist and owner is there>your other friend's slave owner is also thereWe are all frens goys!!!
>>151365882all she actually got was a boost of popularity to her hotel once it came out that redemption does work, which is something that was shown in season 1. And it's a completely natural development ?All the vox stuff literally does not matter to charlier or her goals, it's a B plot that only becomes relevant at the end when the threat of war becomes inevitable. Charlie wins as much as pretty much any other character by not dying in a pointless war.
>>151365807That was logical though based on what she was seeing in that trial. That was a major example of her being less retarded in season 1
>>151365807If anyone is a Mary Sue it's Vox, who the writers forced every other character into plot induced idiocy to make him seem powerful and smart
>>151365807>despite me thinking she's wrong she's correctsounds like a you problem buddy
I like how they referred to Alastor as a deer more often this season. >YOU ARE NOT FUCKING KILLING US OVER THAT STUPID DEER!
>>151365963that's possibly the lamest type of villainare you a jrpg fan by any chance
>>151365942What's really weird is that his backstory made it look like his main skill was being a serial killer and getting away with it, and his skills as a showman were just good enough to move upwards when all his competition was fucking deadBut in Hell he actually is good at scheming and manipulating beyond just saying "Trust Us lolol" without having to murder everyone
>>151365927There's an entire scene of sinners turning on Vox, Valentino had to take over as the face of VoxTech and in an interview he publicly shunned Vox to save face. Kate Killjoy even commented that VoxTech might need to change their name because of how much VoxVox completely destroyed himself and his brand all for his yandere obsession with Alastor lmfao. What a disappointment of a villain
>>151365916Charlie honestly doesn’t seem to care about the rampant amount of slavery, like she never questions how Husk and Niffty are owned by Alastor or anything. Imagine if she actually has no qualms about soul slavery, even owns a bunch of souls herself.
>>151365171Charlie took the biggest hit from the pilot to the full show and it's very very weird. She was great in the pilot as our underdog protagonist and while genuinely sweet still had some backbone and inner strength that made her easy to root for. Her scolding Angel in the limo is something you don't get in the main show at all.I wonder what the the writing team was thinking with how they decided to portray her as annoyingly incompetent in the final product- maybe they think they're making her more 'flawed' by exaggerating her naivety but it just makes her so hard to care about with how moronic she is. I guess it goes to show that the pilot had a more competent writer somewhere in the mix. I remember disliking the pilot back then, but looking back I was probably too harsh on it- but it wasn't like I had magical future sight to compare it to the final product. You can have your hot demon men AND keep your protagonist relevant, they didn't need to sacrifice one for the other.
>>151365963Watch the Good Place
>>151365997*because of how much Vox is hated
>>151365550Are Val's heart glasses prescription?
>>151366012Do you even watch the show ? They already established that you need to do something that makes up for your sin, and Angel already questioned whether anything can make up for murder ?
>>151365392>5th season >Alastor's schemes have been thrown off course>Hey let's try reliable old lolcow Vox. >Finds out Vox has been doing his character development over the seasons>Vox doesn't care anymore>Finally, Vox wipes the smile off that faceVox is a monster but Alastor's needling and manipulation is so one-sided in his favour, it just feels like bullying.
>>151366058I recommend doing anything else with your life than make terrible boring shitposts in threads of shows you hate
The entire reason why Charlie acts like this in S2 is because they turned her into a shitty self-insert and now has to be fit the "it's quirky to be hyper emotional and irrational, I can relate to her because mental illness" theme
>>151366006It's simply because the writers don't care about her as much as they do with other characters. They see her as the person who sets up the plot for their favorite twinks and not much else. If she were competent and smart, it would make it hard for Lucifer to have his epic moment beating up Adam or for Vox to hog up the entirety of Season 2
>>151365885They'd be easier to care for if we actually focused on them and their day-to-day antics.Also you're right, SpindleHorse is basically Hot-Topic Sanrio. They don't make shows, they make long glorified commercials for marketing and merchandising character goods.
>>151360834Will Vox try to save him when he's all alone and cornered after betraying Charlie?
>>151366107We literally have no idea what went on between angel and his dad at the moment, and angel has not been redeemed yet.I don't know if you're actually this retarded but most sinners didn't murder, cannibalize or rape, they're just bad people in boring ways and for them to find redemption would not be that hard. Overlords are Overlords, but they don't want and don't seek redemption so idk what the fuck you're on.
this entire season was like >Don't worry we totallty doing something this season as a payoffthem season came and nothing happens>NO NO YOU SEE, IT WAS A BUILDING FOR THE ENXT SEASON!!this entire show is just teasing but with no pay off, theres a terrible lack of commitment.i telling you people season 3 big promisse will be lilith and NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
>>151366118Also I want to add that Charlie not being smart isn't innately an issue. I'm saying the plot will just flanderize her or make her conveniently stupid/incompetent for the sake of the plotLike the whole thing with Alastor telling Vox not to put his hands on Charlie reduced Charlie into a plot device for Alastor. When she's the literal main character. If they wanted to make Alastor the main character, why didn't they just do that
>>151366148I loved Charlie in the pilot.
>>151366153People literally told me the "next season they're going to follow up on this/give this character more to do/develop this character" when I criticized season 1.Now Season 2 is here and people are saying the same shitI think it's time to just admit that this show has garbage writing and that the writers don't really know what they're doing
>>151366222This show isn't good but you're just making things up to get mad at at this point.
>>151366222>For an actual rapist, serial killer, drug maker, arms dealer, whose crimes destroyed the Earth the only thing that person needs to do is say....>"Sowwy."And why exactly should they "need" to say anything more than that? You sound like a spiteful person.
>>151366206Her original colors were so much better wtf, I'm still baffled at the changes they made to her design.
>>151366222God can just make another one in universe. Heaven is real here.
Now that they got their shitty finale out of their system, can they focus on making a good show next season?
>>151366266How exactly was this finale "shitty" in any way?
>>151366262Charlie needs to get dicked down, Vaggi's taco can't be cutting it.
It's funny how Vivz always tries to imply in interviews that Alastor actually values and admires Charlie so that when he becomes the villain, the dynamic will be interesting, but she hates Charlastor so much and is so afraid that people will prefer that relationship over Chaggie that she never lets them interact with each other, so the relationship is almost non-existent.
>>151366222As much as I hate the stupid ass corny overlords coming together to stop the weapon ending, at no point did the show indicate that they were going to redeem Valentino or any of the VeesThe whole thing with Valentino taking over VoxTech and taking credit for saving everyone was clearly depicted as laughably false propaganda. The show wasn't agreeing with him
>>151366039>whether anything can make up for murderI mean it is the afterlife so, literally can just go to your murder victim and say sorry.
>>151366287>tries to imply in interviews that Alastor actually values and admires CharlieIt never actually shows. Alastor is a condescending prick to absolutely everybody. The writers always try to imply hidden depth, but never actually show it.
I want to see the Vees redeemed simply because it'll be divisive.
>>151363810I have a feeling it's based around some web of owning souls or being strongly associated with a certain type of sin like Rosie with cannibalism. Like Husk was an overlord until he lost everything gambling and lost his soul to Alastor>>151360834I think maybe he's trying to reverse game Rosie by making her owe favors, though I guess eventually this shitter will get redeemed by the power of friendship too, as for the stuff that happened>No longer forced to smile>doesn't have to suck up to Charlie for freebut I'm not sure he's the strongest sinner via the contract anymore
>>151366266Season 3 is already well into production and I think most of the script is finished from what I've heard
>>151360834As Princess of Hell, Charlie has the God given right to do as many dumbass stupid ass things as possible. That is the privilege of royalty. Also Luci should have a duck pickelhaube Stahl.
Am I the only person who prefers Charlie in this season than the first? People keep talking about her failing upwards and still winning despite being fucking useless, but I feel like that was felt way more in the first season. She never faced in real repercussion for her actions in the first season despite the fact that she really should've. In this season she is actively told to fuck off by so many people and she genuinely is put in worse and worse positions because of her stupidity. She gets bailed out by other people, sure, but it feels more like passing consequence this time than when she was actively rewarded in the first season for being retarded.
I just wanted more Lute man
>>151365857Watch and learn.
>>151366294>No point the show was going to talk about Valentino being redeemedMaybe not outright redemption but>Clearly hurt over being used by and ignored by Vox (who he likes more than just a fuckpal clearly)>Actually moderately sympathetic to Angel in the final scenes compared to before>Helped out the gang for seemingly not much reasonHe's not getting redeemed but I think he'll probably be less Valentino-tier piece of shit and more general demon sort of asshole piece of shit, and Vox will probably take a chill pill following this season
>>151366358The scripts for season 3 and season 4 are finished.
>>151366342He was never forced to smile as part of any of his deals, he chooses to so that he appears unbothered and in control
I feel like the Hellaverse would be infinitely more interesting if it had even the slightest bit of inspiration from Heremetic sources.
>>151366366Yeah, she was too trusting and her naivete got annoying at times but I think it worked better here because it was actually an acknowledged part of her story in this season. The simple fact that Vaggie was able to call Charlie out on not listening to her and telling her that she was actually hurting the hotel was a better move for both of their character arcs.
>>151365857Wasn't Vox going to keep blasting until they surrendered? I assume he would have demanded a special portal to be opened so they could all march right in.
>>151366394I'm fairly certain in Season 1 and early season 2 it was explained he had to keep smiling in the hotel as part of his deal with Rosie but admittedly it's been a while for me since I've seen it
>>151365857i assumed they would just laser heaven killing people until they surrendered (this is more thought than the writers put into it)
>>151365865>>151366450If Heaven is physically a star or something on the Pentagram what is stopping the surely post 60's scientist (probably German) types that went to hell from building a rocket capable of flying up there? Considering they can't die to begin with without angel weaponry? Other than the fact Vivzie would really hate to include german scientists from that era
I know it's an annoying criticism to day "this season didn't do it the way I envisioned so it's bad"But I legitimately believe this season would have been much more interesting if Charlie defeating the exorcists had more of an impact. Like maybe a bunch of sinners start worshipping her and turn her into some sort of messiah figure and the worship/fame goes to her head. This would have made Vox a much more compelling antagonist since Charlie actually has a following and power that could threaten his plans. It would've been interesting to see how Vox would respond to an actual opponent (not Alastor because he isn't the protagonist). Vox felt like a boring antagonist because the plot handed him everything by making everyone incompetent and stupid
>>151366491I can't stop imagining Vox launching himself out of the Might of Lilith at Heaven and that mental image is fucking hilarious.
>>151366314it doesn't really matter if your victim forgives you or not as far as redemption is concerned, you need to redeem yourself in your own eyes (and presumably that of a higher power)
>>151366493Basically what I'm saying is that they should have ripped off Jesus Christ Superstar
>>151366491We just saw heaven has a forcefieldbesides, it was taboo to fuck with heaven prior to the events of the show, as shown in season 1, because of the whole overwhelming power thing (angels were considered indestructible up to that point)
>Lucifer can't touch sinners>but he can beat the shit out of adamheh
>>151366491This is an immigrant American hero.
>Adam was barely in the show, barely felt like a threat>Vox just makes everybody retarded (and becomes retarded due to his Alastor boner)When will Vivzie learn to write good villains?
>Alastor becomes the big bad>He's about to kill everyone and take over Hell >Enter Sinner Adam, back for round two
I hope Vox's whole stunt causes winners to agree with Lute because that would be hilariousVox legit feels like controlled opposition with the way he nearly killed more sinners than any extermination did
>>151366616i need this. Vox needs this.
>>151366515Kek, that's good
>Might of Lilith>Looks like a giant dildo What did Vox mean by this?
>>151363834Pentious already has a rival, cherri.
If Valentino is the main antagonist of next season, do you think Amazon will put up ads of him saying no consent no problem in Times Square like they did with Vox
>Abel channels his fathers power of misogyny to force Lute to stand down Based.
>>151365530>>151365552I haven't checked but someone said Angel actually temporarily falls for Pentious trying to hypnotize him in season 1
>>151366616He'd have to become an Overlord to have a chance
>LUTE, GO BACK TO HQ AND MAKE ME A SANDWICH >>151362830>Explain why it stops attacking Alastor.He was seen as neutralized>Explain why it just sits there while Vox gets his head ripped off.Val and vel are frens>Explain why Viv's writing is full of holes.When she said this show has a female focus, by female she meant fujoshit female fanfic writers
>>151366616>"LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE! SAVE US ALL PRECIOUS TIME!"
>>151366701Valentino is not the main antagonist next season lmao. He is going to be a B plot nuisance that will involve Angel, Husk and perhaps Vox, but that's it. Main antagonist will be either Lillith, Alastor or Lute.
>>151362830sure there was blood, but sometimes you got to move your tv to a new room.
>>151366086The whole time I was watching Charlie I felt like I was watching Viv get cancelled on twitter in real time all over again.Turns out I wasn't far off.
>>151366086>>151366984kek.
>Vox's little hip shake during Brighterok cunty
>>151366515Kino denied
>>151366515
Why is Vivzie so unoriginal? She clearly ripped off both Coco and Happy Feet 2 in the same episode.
I feel like if Hazbin was actually good and stuck to the charm of its pilot while polishing it, it somehow wouldn't have become the merchandise cash cow it is now. Kind of a weird alternative reality to imagine. Also holy shit Vaggie is so much better here it's unreal, her VA is great.
>>151366287>Alastor actually values and admires CharlieImagine being Vox and knowing your idol turned you down for this
>>151366898>another angel rock opera song>>151367080Everyone wants a princess.
>they fucking got FOB in the finalehopefully we get sum more of this in s3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6WCJox0kSs
>>151366898Kino.
I want to FUCK Patrick Stump-- Abel! I mean Abel. Yeah, I want to fuck Abel.
>>151367080I think Al has princess fetish, Vox should just crossdress as a cute girl
>>151361053I bet my right kidney that we will see Alastor actually caring for Vincent when they first met but he thought he was gonna be used or something gay like that
>>151366616That would be kino
>>151366328Alastor fans are babying him so much after the finale holy shit"Why didn't Charlie comfort him after he was hurt??? He was right everyone is a meanie there are no friends in Hell!!" Because Emily ripped her fucking wing off saving Alastor's life and she needs help. Alastor puts on this whole persona about how mysterious and powerful he is. Emily is a coddled angel who has never been in any sort of situation like this. She is incredibly brave to risk her life to save Alastor and no one is giving her props for thisIt makes sense that Charlie would assume he could handle himself. Not to mention him using Charlie as cannon fodder for his schemes with Vox and Rosie. And the fact that Charlie got into the deal trying to get information to save everyone's lives in Hell, including Alastor'sCharlie is entirely justified to not be friendly with himWhy is Alastor allowed to be an annoying manipulative dick to everyone, but if anyone treats him as such, suddenly they're evil backstabbers who are mean to Alastor
>>151367113We fucking need this in a duet with Adam.
>>151367177Awhile ago after Episode 4 Viv tweeted "about THAT scene, never rule out the possibility Alastor is just kinda an asshole"
>>151367075'Guy dies because an unlikely heavy object fell on his head' started with anvil gags not Coco, you dumb zoomer
I feel like Baxter being able to hack into Vox isn't talked about enough. Why the fuck was this character with the knowledge to mute the seemingly unstoppable antagonist just sitting around doing nothing all season
>>151367139That's Lute's husband. Emily is for Alastor
The only thing "hetero" about Vox is the fact that he had heterochromia.
>>151367177I would respect the writers more if they stick with Alastor being aromantic and asexual even if fans don't want him to be.
How would this season's story change if Alastor got staff fixed when he asked Rose the first time?
>>151367335He probably would have gone back to the hotel and wouldn't have been so desperate to break the deal, so Rosie screwed herself by not fixing his staff.
>>151367236While you're right, the problem is that, as of now, him going full villain will have no emotional impact whatsoever, it will just be Vox 2.0, especially since it seems it's going to happen next season
>>151367312Based viv did that do >>151367335I'm pretty sure Rosie sunk something nasty in that staff when she fixed it in the finale, she seemed too happy.
>>151367236You must understand, Charlastor shippers are fucking idiots
>>151367363I thought she was happy because all he wanted was his staff fixed
>>151367301The halo Lute is wearing is the symbol of her engagement.
>>151367363He should have asked for her soul, then forced her to repair his staff. He's not evil enough
>>151367418He already have two pet overlords, why would he want a third ?
>>151367312in September Amir posted a tiktok saying that "it depends on what you consider canon" i.e. what's clearly stated in the show versus what the creator believes.if you're going based on what's in the show, Alastor is asexual because Rosie makes the "ace in the hole" joke and there's no mention of anything romantic at all so it just makes him "ace". But if you're going by what's in the creator's mind (i.e. Viv), he said that Vivienne stated from the beginning that he's AroAce. So basically we can assume he's aro too.
>>151367418>>151367445If he got Rosie he'd probably get Cannibal Town, maybe he can't be bothered with managing territories.
>>151367292Baxter and Pentious written this way because season 2 is filler they’ve made up on the spot.With the only newish information being the presence of Roo and how it impacts Sinners (Vox). And a calling to look back at Adam’s death and what it actually means for the story.
>>151367418I know Alastor is the all knowing writer's pet but I doubt he fully understands how powerful Rosie is, or who/what she even actually is. Especially after he spent years being subservient to her
>>151367480>And a calling to look back at Adam’s death and what it actually means for the story.You mean the flashback sequence explaining PENTIOUS' redemption.
>>151366086Still fair though. “This character is so unbelievably retarded it’s become unrealistic” and her actions are just writing out what the actual author really did in real life. It’s hyper-realistic.
>>151367445Why not? She's clearly powerful as fuck, having her as his slave would have been way more valuable than a random overlord
>>151367292He's definitely autistic and not in a joking way. "I never said anything because nobody ever asked" type of guy.
>>151366086People are blatantly misinterpreting what she's saying here which is embarrassing because it's pretty obvious what she meansThere's plenty of things to criticize Viv for, why spend time and effort making things up
>>151366451It’s not, what they show is little snippets of his smile being held up with green stitches. People assumed that meant it was forced on him, but in S2 they make it clear that the green stitches are his own magic (how he treats his injury from Adam, how he attempts to fix his broken staff). Alastor stitched the smile on his own face with magic to prevent it from ever accidentally slipping no matter how he really feels.
>>151367495I'm pretty sure the staff allows him to tap into the same power source she has, and that's why she's the only one who can repair it
So how much of the pilot is still canon? And does Charlie know, that Lucifer agreed to the massacre?
>>151367499Yes. It’s implying there is a link between Pentious’ redemption and Adam’s death.
>>151366006Pilot Charlie would have remembered Rooster
>>151367576>And does Charlie know, that Lucifer agreed to the massacre?Yes, Charlie literally says at the beginning of s1ep5
>>151367551>Alastor stitched the smile on his own face with magic to prevent it from ever accidentally slipping no matter how he really feelsYou know, if the show was a little more serious, that would be some dark shit to be explored
>>151367613Well, time for a rewatch.
>>151367292Baxter was canonically and openly a Voxtek employee from day one, he had no reason or desire to sabotage his boss until it came to that climactic moment>but how is it plausible thatYeah how is it plausible that a random senior IT guy could fucking destroy a major corporation right under the nose of its CEO, I can’t imagine how it would ever come to be that the guy in charge wasn’t more capable than all of his employees in all of their roles, no way that could ever come to pass.
>>151367480>With the only newish information being the presence of Roo and how it impacts Sinners (Vox)Wait, what. Did I miss something? Roo was influencing Vox?
Charlie, her girlfriend and Vaggie
>>151367614He does touch on it in season 1, he gives Charlie a little speech about the power of a smile to keep your enemies guessing. Still I imagine we’ll get more nuance about it in whatever season he becomes the big bad, assuming that all the BlackGryph0n songs aren’t spoiling it despite him clearly having all of the canon backstory for Alastor in a text doc somewhere
>>151367587No, it's explicit that it was because he put others lives before his own Adam's death on it's own was inconsequential for Pentious redemption
When are we getting something like this but with Adam and Abel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JqY-6q-RNA
>>151367593What was his sin ? organizing cockfights ?
>>151367576>So how much of the pilot is still canon?lol>>151367646>VaggieSpell it right. That's V E A G E G E I E.
>>151366616>>151367700>Overlord Adam going toe-to-toe with Roo>Being backed up by Abel, Cain and Lute as his support>With a song like this going onKino Blast.
>>151367075that ending was fucking ridiculous there is unironically darker and more mature shit in my little horse show
You know Lucifer hates Alastor, because he's the only one (other than Charlie and Lilith ofcourse) whos name he actually remembers.
>>151365497But he literally saved the day.
>>151367639I'm not saying he should have gone against Vox, I'm saying why was he ignored most of the season. The fact that he was a VoxTech employee was only briefly mentioned and never really brought up again until the finale. We barely even saw him bond with the main gang
>>151360834He has no plan other than getting more power, which is as basic and lame as motivations go.
>>151367642Yeah. She was. That’s where the crazy Heaven-destroying cannon and Vox’s extremely self-destructive impulses were stemming from.In the episode Vox hypnotizes Angel Dust, Roo’s eye was used as the point of view, implying that Vox was her chosen destroyer. So think of it this way. Redemption was achieved, Vox was lifted up to bang down that achievement by whatever means possible. Roo is threatened by redemption.
>>151367642>>151367829No this is all still just a theory. This is the Adamschizo btw.
>>151365674Kinda reminds me of the "redemption arcs" that happened in late Internet Bloodsport. Like Matt's "redemption" came because Ethan Ralph made a fag of himself.You'd be surprised how quickly people are to turn back to the side of someone when someone they hate more comes along. Vox thoroughly exposed himself as not caring and Charlie was there to swoop in
>>151361079Why would he kill him?
>>151367907Because he is annoying and doesn't respect people's boundaries
>>151367576Vivziepop said it's still canon, so take that as you will.
>>151361079Alastor can't bully and blueball the dead Alastor whole deal is that he wants to keep having his fun ad eternun, killing vox would just left him with one entertaining plaything less
>>151367953She said it's soft canon so I'm thinking Charlie still went on TV (not with Katie, maybe Tom) and did her pitch and then Alastor just showed up at the hotel. They did a re-tread of Pentious' and Cherri's introductions in the show proper so I think that whole sequence didn't happen.
>>151367790Not that he can do anything with that power. Even if Alastor becomes the mightiest force in the franchise so what? The only thing that proves is that eventually someone else can climb up in power and best him. And you got to remember Alastor is not like Vox who uses technology to monitor and spy on others. Alastor is an antiquated man who hates modernity and technology. So his reign as the most powerful being in existence would not last long.You also have to remember Alastor loves to think he's the smartest guy in the room so we all know how THOSE characters usually fail.
>>151360834Alastor endgame is to keep fucking around, while making sure no one can make him find out
>>151367312>>151367473Gonna be totally honest, I think the reason he was made aroace is because he's a serial killer, and serial killers often sexually abuse their victims because "fight" and "fuck" are on the same part of the brain.It's there to like, tone down the realism on him. If he had a sexuality, then we'd be able to infer he likely fucked the people he ate
>>151367907>This cutesy CRT getting flustered at a brown deer man was achtually a super evil TV station serial killer host who somehow managed to ice a bunch of his peers cleanly and take their roles with little to no issueI think some wires got crossed in the writers room.
When are we getting the episode that's just 30 minutes of Niffty fucking Baxter and domming the shit ouf of him
>>151367998That’s a horrible image I have now received upon Rosie taking Adam’s body.Eww
>>151367920>and doesn't respect people's boundaries
>>151367843Theory or not the very idea that Root of All Evil is this random Original Character don't steal Mary Sue in the form of Eve is simply......stupid.I just can't. It's way too dumb. Basically absolving Hell of its natural wickedness. Guess Hell really isn't so bad at all, it's all mean old Roo's fault. And what a dumb name Roo? What is this? Winnie the Pooh?
>>151368016Season 4 Izzi episode.
>>151367979How come then Charlie already met Katie in S1 but suddenly didn't in S2?
>>151368043Eve is motivated to destroy Hell and Heaven because she ate the apple. So no, that’s not what the story is building up to.
>>151367989Except Alastor is not being smart if you fuck around enough you piss off someone who will stop you. Does Alastor even realize that he's setting himself up for his own failure? For all his talk to Vox about fucking up, Alastor is well on his way in record time to failure. It took Vox years to build his failure. Alastor on the other hand hit fast forward.
>>151368016Every fourth episode of a season has something horny in it, so maybe the fourth episode of Season 3 will have them banging for an entire episode.
>>151368071>she is blamed for eating the appleSorry, I forgot words.
>>151361053He loves his master a lot.
>>151368071The point is that Eve/Roo should not be a thing.
>>151368074Season 3, you mean.
>>151368014The televangelist cult leader theory made way more sense, would have explained the need for approval and manipulation without resorting to serial killings. Personally I think it would have been kino if Vox had a genuine messiah complex and was deluded enough to think he actually deserved to go to Heaven
>>151361079Alastor can' kill anyone remember he refuses to use angel weapons out of pride. And since none of the characters kept theit angel weapons for Season 2 anyway there was no way Alastor could kill Vox. Alastor says he can tear souls apart but I don't think so, Alastor is a well known liar. So I don't think he can actually destroy souls.
>>151361053What is he even, some hellborn creature modified by Vox?what happened to that sinner girl he ate?She gonna have to regenerate from fish poop?
>>151360834Alastor, or rather FRAUDastor, was going to die to Vox TWICE. HAd to be saved by Emily and the Vees, like the embarassing cunt he is. Poor Emily lost a wing because of him.
>>151365492Plenty.
>>151367576Not a lot, to be honest. Her daddy issues got retconned into mommy issues, for example.
>>151368038Exactly Alastor is a huge hypocrite.
>>151368106Exactly, like I always thought the whole cult leader aspect of his past was going to play a big part. Instead the cult like following was just a byproduct of him taking over a tv network, it just wasn’t as good as all the headcanons of a genuine believing cultist who was arrogant enough to think he was supposed to go to heaven.
>>151368014This is like people who get hung up over Val being than just Angel's rapist this season. Real people have multiple sides to them.
“When asked how do Rosie's powers work, Vivziepop explains that the Alastor-Rosie deal from season 2 is the first stepping stone in a much bigger story, and that the question of "how is Rosie that powerful" is answered in season 3.”So, Rosie is revealed to be Lilith in season 3 (which was originally 2).
>>151368058>How come then Charlie already met Katie in S1 but suddenly didn't in S2?I don't think that was ever confirmed, Katie knew who she was but that's it.
>>151368202Get ready for Viv to ripoff this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4MMkrXLX2g for when Lucifer and Lilith reunite
>>151368038>>151368151He even tapped on Vox's screen while he was giving him the "you suck and don't respect boundaries" speech.>>151368123>Poor Emily lost a wing because of him.That's on her, not him.
I aint reading this thread, just wanted to say the care bare stare was so retarded it made me laugh almost as much as them trying to portray the other overlords as some kind of positive force when they have tortured and damned countless others way worse than the /v/'s in all likely hood.
>>151368121>What is he even, some hellborn creature modified by Vox?Bexter has canonically created hellborn life using biotech, so wouldn't surprise me if Vox have a bunch of scientists dedicated to dumb shit he is fond of, like creating mecha-sharks
>>151367998I swear I remember a super old Hunicast stream where Ed Bosco almost cracked a rape joke in the Alastor voice and everyone shut it down real fast kek
>>151368014>closeted faggot in the 50s>go to hell>find a cute man who inspires you like nothing before>discover first love with a man>finally lets himself feel vulnerable I think it's plausible for Vox to go "notice me senpai" with Alastor. Have you ever been in love? It completely fucks up your brain and personality
>>151367907He said he was going too add him to his broadcast of screams, plus the humiliation ritual and Vox being rendered utterly powerless and thus no longer potentially useful as a chess piece.This is a guy who murdered someone for spelling wine on their shirt. You wouldn't think he'd be above fulfilling his promise.
Hazbin HotelHashbrown MotelHambone HovelHarpoon Hostel
>>151368271This is why the dinosaur overlord woman pointing to herself was so hilarious. She was pointing to herself implying during Emily's speech..."Bitch do you know how many CRIMES I've done? Redemption is not my thing."But yes that Care Bear Stare power of friendship sequence was embarrassing. The only good thing is one of the sinners saying when it was done "We never speak of this again!"
Just finished watching it. Honestly, the second season is far more solid than the first one, you can tell that they have finally figured out how to pace themselves properly. The worldbuilding, as nerdy as that complaint is, is still wonky, though. Adam kinda fucks the whole Heaven/Hell system up by being obviously undeserving of his status but somehow still there. Why the fuck would you have to redeem yourself to get on his level? Alastor was made the strongest in Hell by making a pact with some random bitch we know nothing about. How does that work? I get that Lucifer can't hurt sinners, but does he or Charlie have any powers at all? What exactly stops Sir Pentious from simply visiting Hell through the same portal Emily uses? etc.But yeah, everything else is pretty much perfect. The animation is fucking beautiful to look at, the music is good (though some songs felt kinda forced), the characters are likeable and fun to watch, and it achieves what it sets out to do, for sure. Unlike Helluva Boss, it has a story worth telling, so I actually want season 3 now.
>>151368074>Does Alastor even realize that he's setting himself up for his own failure? For all his talk to Vox about fucking up, Alastor is well on his way in record time to failure. To be fair that's a consistent pattern with him.
>>151368352>Just finished watching it. Honestly, the second season is far more solid than the first one, you can tell that they have finally figured out how to pace themselves properlyUhh no. You just have low standards and worship garbage writing.
>>151368151Imagine if Rosie empowered some other Sinner to be even stronger than Alastor on the condition that he captures him and rapes him, haha.
>>151368320Copy pasting:>Alastor is a BPD attention whore. He knows Vox is obsessed with him and this fuels his ego. He's keeping him alive and negging him to bask in all the attention Vox gives him.
>>151368380Honestly Alastor needs to be humbled yet again. I sincerely hope Season 3 raped him in every single sense of the word, mentally, physically, spiritually, etc. He needs to be brutalized and better yet do it with angel weapons so his soul can't regenerate and then carve a permanent frown on his miserable face with angel weapons. And then the finishing touch, have Alastor meet his mother in Heaven and she disowns him for becoming a cannibal criminal. I need to see this annoying writer's pet put to suffer without any hope of bouncing back.
>>151368352>Adam kinda fucks the whole Heaven/Hell system up by being obviously undeserving of his status but somehow still there. Why the fuck would you have to redeem yourself to get on his level?People have speculated that thinking where you deserve to go before you die plays a part in where you end up. Don't know how well that holds up with Vox since he seems to be pretty entitled, you'd think that attitude would've sent him to Heaven using this logic.>Alastor was made the strongest in Hell by making a pact with some random bitch we know nothing about. How does that work?We're going to find out in season 3. In like two years. But yeah you're supposed to wonder what Rosie's deal is.>I get that Lucifer can't hurt sinners, but does he or Charlie have any powers at all?Yes, she has her little magic sheet beams and as we saw in season 1 she can do that cool lava arm trick. What she's actually capable of when she goes demonic mode is a little ill-defined, it can be hard to guess "is Charlie actually doing this or is this happening for dramatic effect", like her floating into the hotel and summoning flames when she's mad at Lucifer. The magic in the Hellaverse is pretty nebulous and is never really acknowledged outside of fights except in things like deals.>What exactly stops Sir Pentious from simply visiting Hell through the same portal Emily uses?Winners can't leave Heaven and vice-versa for Sinners. But we never see what happens when a Winner just tries to leave through the pearly gates, though we see Pentious' drill just explode.
>>151368228Keep in mind that after that season and reunion, Adam (in a new form) will reunite with Lute.
>>151368396Jesus, Alastor looks so much better with the darker skin tone in season 2
>>151368460I don't care
>>151368106>>151368163>Vox was a televangelist whose only sin was being bisexual This would’ve been pure kino
How do you even make Alastor a villain without it feeling like you're rehashing Vox?Vivzie and her writers went a bit too hard on making Vox Alastor's evil(er) mirror by making him a serial killer. He was already an insecure asshole much like Alastor generally guilty of the same shit Alastor is guilty of (anon above posted Alastor having no sense of personal space, or even the whole "relying on others" thing which Alastor does).
Better question is why didn't Alastor just tell Vox to stop touching him if he hated it so much?
If there hadn't been any controversy over Alastor using voodoo symbols he was definitely going to look like this
>>151368320>This is a guy who murdered someone for spelling wine on their shirt.Spilled wine is wasted wine, especially when it's on my finest shirt. Al did nothing wrong.
>>151368497Heaven is full of homos thoughbeit, maybe it could have been something like>pretended to cure homosexuality with jebus powers>was actually a huge homo himself
>>151368396He hates Vox's attention but loves bullying him. Is Vox the ugly friend Alastor kept around to look hotter next to.?
>>151368541Why is it even a problem?Nobody cares about Chucky doing it.Hell, Chucky was even progressive in that regard by showing a good voodoo black man who was disgusted by how Chucky used voodoo to kill people, so you could've done the same with Alastor.
>>151368541I mean what was even wrong with it? Is magic he shouldn't be using it could've been stolen magic knowledge lol
>>151368541Looks like shit desu. Alastor being a black guy in the 20's at least gives him some motivation for being so hungry for power after having lived at a time where he would be treated like shit. Otherwise he'd just be>I'm evil because I'm craaaaazyyyyy lmao
>>151368523I’m more annoyed with them giving Vox a season to pay off something we will not see in three years
>>151368573I'm not black and I don't have textured/curly hair, do you think Alastor has to do some kind of hair routine in Hell or did his hair just become straight like that
>>151368563Alastor is a Stacy who loves to lead on and tease the one loser obsessed with her forever because it gives her a thrill to be so wanted while never giving anything back.
>>151368541I'm sure it made some Alastorsisters mad but what we got is an upgrade
>>151368614Straightening comb. It was common during that era because it was pre Crown act. Rosie may have given to him.
>>151368620If this show had a maturity level above MLP Vox would have raped Alastor not even ten minutes after getting him tied up
>>151368573>>151368643Yeah it definitely looks better, which is how we know it wasn't Viv's original choice
No one in this series acts like a grown adult or old monster. Everyone might as well be mid 20s.
>>151368573Nigger did you just try to justify a mass murdering satanic slave driver because you've been force feed a bizzaro version of NOLA in the 20's? Ya'll niggers need Jesus.
>>151368541Looks better. than whatever the fuck this >>151368573 is.
>>151368677>Assuming Vox is a top
>>151368282please tell me you have a link
>>151368726That does NOT look better.
>>151368661Actually it's the opposite. It's because of Vox's lingering respect and love for Alastor that he doesn't rape him. Raping Alastor would be admitting that he can't win the deer's favor through impressing him or making him want him back, which would kill Vox's ego. Just look at how he is towards people he doesn't respect like Angel, he treated him worse than dirt. Vox not raping or killing Alastor adds to the depth of Vox as a character, if anything.>his face when Alastor refers to him as a "friend"Vox is pathetic and desperate and more interesting because of it.
Imagine the final battle with Adam redeemed and Abel versus Eve/Roo and Cain.
>>151368733He is, Viv and co. have said repeatedly that Vox primarily likes to top both Val and Alastor due to his ego
>>151368677It's interesting seeing the whole kerfuffle around Alastor play out and then have fans take Vox's racism in stride. I guess nobody on the crew ever suggested, "hey what if Alastor is just using a bastardized white man's interpretation of voodoo and we used that to further highlight how arrogant he is?". Like it's so obvious that Viv didn't want to make him visibly mixed considering he didn't undergo a redesign in the ~4 years between the pilot and Amazon picking the show up.
>>151368726No it fucking doesn't
>>151368762Yeah, the point of Vox's character is that he has become so obsessed with Alastor that any other goal or relationship takes a back seat. Vox still wants Alastor's approval and would rather die than never have it. He would never do anything that would undoubtedly cause Alastor to hate him forever, as that would prevent Vox from ever gaining his approval, no matter what he did.
>>151364129Damn that's fucking brutal lmao
In a world where all the male characters eventually lose to cock, the asexual man is king
>>151363674He's gonna be put on one of these and play eyewitness videos
>>151364129>grape
>>151368881it's a reference to the grapist sketch from Whitest Kids U Know
>>151368881remember newfags: you don't have to censor yourselves here
>>151368792Likes to top isn't the same as being a top. And he's not going to be one now.
>>151368819My problem is that human Vox looks a lot more like he'd be the one wearing pants in any kinds of relationship than THIS twink.Just look at this square-jawed CHAD.
>>151368620
>>151368898You spoke too soon, the grapist man is a Florida man.
>>151365678Sorry anon, Viv said the season is romance heavy which means that Huskerdust will probably be a big focus.The season is also going to feature a lot of Angel's family members now too, which means a big Angel dust lore dump.Guessing they're setting him up to be redeemed so he can see his sister.
>>151368922Sometimes even the manliest men enjoy having something put up their butt
>>151368881>>151368898https://youtu.be/mqgiEQXGetI
>>151368936Season 4 will be family focused.
>>151368922Vox is the crying and in love submissive top to Alastor's fickle power bottom who gets off on being so wanted, obviously. They're perfect for each other.
>>151367310Heh
>>151367139lol that image makes abel looks like that teacher guy in the comics that beats his wife and fucks his students
>>151368971Goddamn, fujo artists are quick.
>>151368762>Those widening eyesAlastor can't keep getting away with this.
>>151368988What?
>>151368941kek
>>151368993Being the most popular fujo ship in the Asian fandom will do that
>>151367683>You sacrificed >Uttered when Adam is killed >No connectionsWhatever you say, man.
>>151369008you know the one, with the wife that enjoys being beaten and they're both teachers, look if you don't get it it's fine I ain't googling that shit up
I honestly really liked Hear My Hope. I know lots of complaints about how cheesy a carebear beam of friendship is, but the fuck were you expecting?This is a show about demons seeking redemption, of course it’s gonna be some corny ass thing
>>151369049It's about self sacrifice, nothing related to Adam death
>>151369081about two thirds of the demons involved in that beam are explicitely not seeking redemption
i fucking hate alastor. hopefully val fixes vox in the inevitable spinoff and staticmoth gets more fanart
>>151368573Not just that but since he has more saturation and a darker red in his skin, the tone harmonizes better with the rest of his colour palette.
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>>151369096Yeah, but they joined in because they knew they would be all vaporized otherwise
Instead of making him all retarded, they should have had Lucifer walk into that warehouse only to find himself surrounded by the corpses of dead sinners / live sinners mutilated into the shape of a box, which would have then closed in on him until he was forced into the angelic metal battery machine.Season 3 would have him going to therapy in one of the other rings and that’s where the le epic Helluva Boss crossover could start.
If you ever wanted to imagine what it would sound like if Vox died slowly of laughing gas, now’s your timehttps://youtu.be/lhnc7kURZYM
>>151368228I have to give the musical credit. It did not shy away from the fact that Odysseus was a pretty fucking bad leader who consistently failed to relay information to his own troops and demanded blind faith.That said, I'm still waiting for someone to do a deep dive on how Diomedes probably made Athena question the whole 'virgin goddess' thing. She entrusted him and backed him on wounding 2 fucking gods, basically ensured he had NO TROUBLE getting home from the Trojan War and literally made him a god when he died so he'd spend his afterlife living with her.I dunno, seems to me like our goddess of Wisdom wanted him.
>>151369081I think I would've liked it more if it was regular sinners who joined and Charlie drew power from their support. The Overlords were kind of cool but yeah it loses its impact when you know most of them are going to go back to enslaving people. The songs itself was cheesy kino though.
FRAUDcifer
>>151369099>staticmoth hating on radiostatic Why are you guys like this? We both won, stop being petty
>>151369160You know what I just realized LuciFRAUD would've rolled off the tongue betterHindsight 20/20.
>>151369178Very fraud-like of you
>>151368661Tying someone up and forcing them to watch you have sex is by definition sexual assault and would be considered as such legally in most jurisdictions
>>151369191>Season 3: Alastor sues Vox for sexual assault
>>151369094Sin is only repaid when someone else pays the price.After all, God displayed it himself.
>>151368996Ain't no stopping this Stacy
>>151369161No Emily won. She's pegging Alastor's demon bussy as we speak
>>151369208The Surviving Vox documentary, coming soon to ValTeK Video
>>151369161because I hate alastor hes fucking annoying, Val is much more fun
Why didn't Al just make Vox into his slave when he was a soft boy begging to be manipulated? Is he stupid?
>Alastor's face when Lilith takes off the Rosie wig next season
>>151369222>Sin is only repaid when someone else pays the priceNo where in the show this is even suggested >God displayed it himself.christianity isn't the literal truth in the hellaverse
>>151369323It's not fun when is that easy
>Alastor has broken out of his chains, free to do whatever he wants>decides to stick around the hotel so he can roast the shit out of LuciferHe’s such a petty asshole I love it.
>>151369323Alastor loves Vox too. He just doesn't want the attachment because he's genuine about seeing reliance on others as weakness, which is terribly ironic but it hasn't come up yet.
>>151369389Why do you think Lamb sacrifices were referenced in the Lucifer song?Lambs are the offering to God.
>>151365234>He started as the show's most enigmatic character now he's an annoying twat.I sadly have to agree
>>151368203It's literally in the first episode.
>>151369222>>151369389Yeah that's not what the show is going for, they've made it pretty clear that anyone who wants redemption has to put in the work themselves. Also, Pentious died before Adam so Adam's death couldn't have been needed to redeem Pentious.>b-but we only saw Pentious in Heaven after Adam diedIt was a stinger, there wasn't anything to suggest Pentious only got in after Adam died.
>>151365234>Really wanted anyone to put Alastor in his placeCHADam doing exactly that is what got us into this mess in the first place.
It was a struggle to watch this season and the payoff wasn’t worth it.
>>151369294Yeah well, he's Vox's oneitis. Accept it.
SOON (two years)
>>151369545Always remember, it’s filler.
Explain to me Charlie and Vaggie sex scene.Does Charlie cum fire and brimstone when she orgasms?
>start a youtube channel>make a "hazbin hotel sucks and is racist" video>immediately get boosted by the algorithm and get 100+ subscribersthe hate train this show gets is so interesting when it's so... milquetoast and inoffensive for what a show about redeeming horrible people in hell could be
>>151365880>if Viv avoided giving Vox a seasonI liked this Vox season. he's a helluva character
>>151369191Even in Hell?
>>151369603It really wouldn't have been a problem if we weren't stuck waiting almost two years for 8 episodes. If Amazon went "btw season 3 in Spring/Summer" everyone would be going yay right now.
>>151369518Adam was the one who written down what redeemed sinners are supposed to be. And said loud and clear that Winners belong to him in episode 8.
>>151369407If your foil is playing along (matching coffee mugs), why ruin a good thing?
>>151369518>Also, Pentious died before Adam so Adam's death couldn't have been needed to redeem Pentious.Pentious came back after Adam died.
Buck status?>Verification is not required
>>151369671There's no proof of that. We don't know when that scene took place. Not to mention that someone else needing to be a sacrifice would effectively kill the whole idea of redemption off.
>>151369653And both his list and his spill about "winners belonging to him" where showed to be wrong
>>151369622They did get the recordings for season 3 done and are currently making recordings for season 4. While Helluva Boss season 3 probably isn’t even done with it.So, who knows.
give us Cain
>>151369596Miku binder Thomas jefferson??
>>151369691> We don't know when that scene took place.>Pentious died>Adam died>A song member later, Pentious is backMaybe watching the episode will be helpful.
>>151369691>Not to mention that someone else needing to be a sacrifice would effectively kill the whole idea of redemption off.The one who does the sacrifice claims the prize.
>>151369743God you're so stupid
>>151368106Its crazy how Vox murders like an entire company just so he can climb the corporate ladder and no one seems to connect the dots. There should at least be a bit in Helluva Boss where sinners keep ordering hits on Vox.
>>151369868The things a white man could get away with back in the day…
>>151369868Forensics were really shit back them
>>151368620>>151369227>Viv described Vox and Alastor in a hypothetical world where Alastor said yes, as jolly or merry duo of murders>Alastor would be the Stacy whilst Vox follows him around as the Betty.>Alastor has him as wrapped around his finger as he does now but without the hate, so no worrying about backstabbing>They're the most successful Overlords of Murder in hell. Alastor threw away a perfectly willing simp over a couple of shoulder touches.
>>151360834He got his powers back and got out of his contract. Now he's free to have fun. Especially now that he knows Lucifer can't stop him.
>>151366283>verbacel >50K >rap
>>151370145>Especially now that he knows Lucifer can't stop him.Charlie can, she's just too damn nice so she tiptoes when she needs to strut.
>>151370130Dumb deer needs to let love into his heart because he absolutely would be happier
>>151369545Just watched the last 2 eps now and yeah, not worth it. The first ep was damn dull, and while later one had some decent songs and started building up some things up, it was a mix of the most predictable things happening while also getting blueballed with other bits. Shouldn't have gotten hopes up even by a smidgeon in the middle of the season
>>151370145>Lucifer can't stop himDirectly, he can channel his power into some object and then have that object smite AlastorOr he could unleash the Sins on him
>>151369842Oh little boy, you seething? Your good deeds aren’t good enough for heaven?
>>151369868It seems crazy inefficient if anything, gutting up multiple people and having to dispose of the bodies cleanly each time seems way bigger of a hassle than just using deception and manipulating people/perception in the office to give him a boost and tear others down. Also it’s just really stupid and doesn’t match his theming at all.
>>151370431>having to dispose of the bodies cleanly each timedidn't he made most of his kills look like accidents ?
>>151366061Episode 4 and that flashback was hard to watch because it felt like actual bullying, especially the "befriend the loser at school and then embarrass them harshly" type. And what makes it worse is that, since it aired some people think Vox didn't really mean it and he was being manipulative, Viv literally say that "Yes, Vox meant every word he said and that he actually wanted them to be equals", Vox absolutely got hurt by Alastor.
I like to imagine that the person that shot Alastor was a young kid who took his dad's hunting dog and rifle out for a hunt after being made fun of by his schoolmates earlier in the day.Imagine the freakout he had when he realizes that he shot a person, and how soon after he's considered a hero because the police found the body Alastor was burying and his murderhobo shack nearby
>>151369721kek
>>151369404>>151369426His loss.
>>151370539Yeah
>>151370539That would ALSO be a pain to pull off successfully each and every time, also the victims were all from his workplace so it would be even easier to narrow down suspects. He could've just spread a nasty rumor and ruined someones career as a warm-up instead of getting his hands dirty right off the bat.
>>151369721Damn, I knew his avatar looked familiar but I couldn't quite place it.
>>151370724I think Vox’s killings are supposed to be metaphorical but they made it too direct.Since he’s killing these people with the tools he uses for media.
Vox's backstory was seriously disappointing. Not even a televangelist, a plain old TV anchor? Who straight up murders people? Literally every fan theory would've been more interesting than this.
>>151370790Nah he’s brighter, than a simple false priest.
We will have to wait till season 4, the family season, for Lute to have a massive mental break down over dead exorcists.
>>151363799That works because Alastor wants to keep having fun. So what happens when his favorite toys see a way to leave now?
