>>151530434
Said no-one ever.

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>>151530496
Casuals and posers who don't know shit.

>>151530496
Well someone just said it here and I'll say it also so you are just lying, sorry

>>151530434
I like Hawkeye more but Hank is pretty cool

>>151530877
Both characters fittingly were done notably excellent in EMH. Probably the last time they also got significant good treatment also besides the fact Hawkeye is allowed to be used at all since he got to be in the first Avengers film unlike Hank or Janet.

I like him

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>>151530877
Hawkeye is a very respectable choice and perhaps my close second.

>>151530434
He's too small

>>151531894
He gets bigger trust me

>>151530434
I like how Douglas' portrayal did absolutely nothing to restore his reputation for synergy

>>151531960
Pause

>>151530434
Hank Pym isn't even the best Antman

>>151531982
Because he was the side character funny grandpa inventor.

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>>151530877
The Hawk is the greatest Avenger, period.
West coast best coast

>>151532130
He's the best Giant-man, I'd also say best Yellowjacket but Rita Demara fills me with lust

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>>151532444
I really miss the mask, Fuck the MCU, fuck the Ultimates, and fuck Matt Fraction

>>151532556
I'm not a fan of the bare face or sun glasses either. They could have just added lenses to the mask if they were dead set on changing his look.

>>151530434
He truly is

>>151530434
Has anyone ever pointed out the similarities between him and Victor Frankenstein?

>>151532130
Well, he was Ant-Man only for a year and a few months, and during his most important moments he was using other identities

>>151530434
True

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>>151534245
It's been addressed I'm sure

>>151538059
I really miss this style of character writing

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>>151538241
Yeah it's really something to look back at these characters and see them written like actual adults.

>>151538271
Yeah like this feels like a way more mature way to handle the fallout of Hank Pym's breakdown since it doesn't just erase the years of him actively being a hero or how he knew these people and they knew him so he accepts what happened and yet they still feel they could've done better for him while he takes responsibility. This sorta style only makes Chuck Austen or Bendis's use of character writing come off even more contemptible honestly.

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>>151538390
Well the important thing is it takes sight of the whole situation and the whole MENTAL HEALTH aspect of things. Hank is treated like a good man whose inner demons made him do a bad thing.

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>That time they made a Hank lead show about West Coast Avengers

It was pretty shit to be honest but I gotta at least respect that much.

>>151538390
It's ironically far more mature a presentation on mental issues than in a lot of recent years in comic books. A lot of people with mental health issues hate how society used to treat mental disorders as moral failings, but also hate the idea of people pitying them or thinking of them as impotent against their own issues. Cutting Hank some slack for not intending to harm people with his actions but still taking responsibility for his actions due to endangering others by not taking care of his mental state sooner, and holding others to those same standards, is probably the best way they could have handled it without either denigrating either Hank or Janet in regards to that storyline.

>>151538451
Always found this ironic considering Hank and Tigra kinda got together in Avengers Academy. Also yeah honestly the storyline of his mental breakdown is done genuinely well even if the ramifications for it cause of a single panel had a massive dent on Hank Pym being used in anything or hack writers not succling on low hanging fruit like a turtle choking on a plastic bag.

>>151534245
IIRC when making Avengers Age of Ultron, Whedon described Ultron building Vision as "what if Frankenstein's Monster made his own creation?", so the comparison's been made before, not sure if the comics have directly addressed it though.

>>151539404
It wasn't specifically meant to be "the West Coast Avengers", they're not even based in California. It's just an Avengers lineup with no 'big 3', and all of them except Falcon had been on both the East and West teams in the comics.

It's not great, but it gets over-hated for what it was.

>>151539557
Honestly Hank pretty much had completely redeemed and more then made up during Busiek's run and even before that in his West Coast no alias stint so if Austen and especially Ultimates by Mark Millar didn't do him dirty shortly after/round the same time then he could've not been sidelined so hard until Christos Gage's clear soft spot for Hank gave him some much needed good treatment and Al Ewing brought him back after being dead for years following Pymtron. Though I'm still silently humming Hank doesn't get to be playable in video games or anything but at least he isn't essentially killed off for good or never used at all like poor Rita Demara.

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>>151540129
It was really only post 2000s that it became such an indelible black mark, thanks to you know who, so many issues after wards did great strides to not only "fix" Hank but redevelop his relationships. Go reread the Busiek era and then tell me this is the same Marvel as today.

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>>151540196
>Hank doesn't get to be playable in video games or anything

Well in fairness I feel that's probably more for practical reasons and figuring out how his gameplay would work. I imagine it would be doable. An Ant-man solo game with shrinking physics and level design honestly sounds like it would be kind of cool. But in more crossover stuff it'd be weird to balance.

>>151540207
Honestly Kurt Busiek did pretty much perfectly with all the Avengers he wrote in the lineup such as Carol Danvers, Thor, Janet and so on. He was also probably the writer that really defined and made Kang sorta click to future writers and have him come across why he was one of the Avengers big 3 villains. I know he was planning to use Rita Demara for Thunderbolts but she'd gotten killed off in The Crossing and it's a damn shame never got to see how he would've utilised her.

>>151540350
Yeah that was a fantastic run of comics. Easily one of the best. Certainly one of the last "genuine." I've heard Johns was.... fine. But I never read it and it's a bit too dangerously close to disassembling for me to trust it

>>151540402
Could be worse, could be Aaron. Now that's another writer who's fucked over some of my faves utterly badly. Also honestly Geoff Johns peaked with his Green Lantern and Aquaman stuff honestly. Nick Spencer is a writer where I'm really split on cause I do like a lot of his characterisation and work for some character but hate how he's treated others especially with his Captain America run.

>>151540350
>Honestly Kurt Busiek did pretty much perfectly with all the Avengers he wrote in the lineup
I know things have usually been pretty bad since those days, but things weren't perfect even back then. That run basically sank Justice's chances of staying in the big leagues, and instead of following through on previous runs setting up a long-awaited Wanda/Vision reunion, we instead got an awful love triangle that by Brevoort's own admission was intended to make readers angry.

For Hank himself, in retrospect he'd have been better off if The Crossing's attempt to absolve him of blame for The Slap had been allowed to stick. In undoing that retcon and bringing the past up all over again, the Heroes Return era opened the door for the things later runs did. By the time of Austen, it seemed to be rooted in the mentality that domestic abuse was a red line a character just couldn't be allowed to come back from no matter what the circumstances surrounding it were.

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>>151540664
>. That run basically sank Justice's chances of staying in the big leagues
I think it gave him more a push then he ever would have alone. New Warriors was basically done by this point. And the avengers should always have some second tier characters like him or something out there. Oh and hey, another point for Hank. Cured Firestar of cancer.

>>151540998
>I think it gave him more a push then he ever would have alone. New Warriors was basically done by this point.
He was pretty unpopular because of how he was written in that run thoughever. The fanboy stuff really grated for a lot of people. It basically introduced him to a wider audience than before, in a way that backfired on him.

IIRC, the way Justice and Firestar were written, a lot of people who hadn't read New Warriors before didn't realize they were meant to be a couple until almost a year into the run.

>Oh and hey, another point for Hank. Cured Firestar of cancer.
>For about ten years
Thanks, Marvel. What's wrong with you?

>>151540998
Let it forever be known that Hank Pym has singlehandedly done more to help Firestar then the entirety of the X-Men. Honestly Hanks positive relationships with other characters gets neglected way to much.

>>151539557
Between Hank, Wanda and Lorna, Marvel have a really bad record of just randomly giving heroes mental health problems, and a lot of writers either treating it as a character flaw or using it as a stick to beat them with. Or in D-Man's case, it got used for comedy. It's even worse because actual villains with mental health issues sometimes got treated with more nuance and even sympathy.

>>151541773
I feel like marvel can focus on ONE issue and ONE issue alone at any given time. Either mental illness is an issue or spousal abuse is an issue. But never spousal abuse brought on by mental illness. Too complex for the children we have in the bullpen these days I suppose.

Why are Hank threads always so much more civil than other character threads?

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>>151542389
It embiggens us

>>151542389
I think it's just cause we've already stormed the worst he's been dealt with by writers, being excluded for ages in media, and low hanging jokes that we just carry on fondly appreciating what highlights as a character he has and whatever ideas can consider for the scientist supreme who started as just the man in the ant hill

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What is Hank's problem?

>>151542784
This is marvel zombies dude.

>>151542389
Probably because the only criticism people have is wide beater and we just ignore them so they got nothing.

>>151542809
Context and truth are the enemy of all who would besmirch Henry Pym

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>>151542809
The zombie virus just let Hank be the freak he always was.

>>151542819
That should be his next villain, Wide. They have a powerset that is width based or width manipulation.

>>151542801
>>151542784
Go away Godzillamendoza

>>151542668
He’s a very lucky man, being mostly absolved of the horrors post-2000s Marvel has inflicted upon everyone else.

Better to be forgotten than have a great legacy torn down and warped into something evil.

>>151530434
I just want him to look young again. Hank's been in this weird status quo for a decade now, they had him merge with Ultron for some reason, then he came back as an Oldman who's barely around. I just hope that battleworld mini ends with him coming back and actually doing shit.

>>151543062
Him calmly but non-lethally having Arcade choke on deadly wasps was immensely satisfying in Battleworld. Also yeah I hope he gets to be young again, maybe shack up with a lovely lady and spend more time with Nadia now he's alive.

>>151542992
Yeah honestly you could form an Avengers team of characters that have just been aggressively mistreated and abused by writers honestly, I've even talked about a hypothetical lineup of it before with other anons. I'll say that for every bad 2000's thing Hank was given he at least got a few highlights, mainly thanks to Gage.

>>151542389
Because people that have read avengers are the only people capable to discuss the character.

>>151543181
Shit, you actually have me curious. Care to post the lineup, OP? I wonder if the roster would be small enough to avoid a double-digit amount of members. It really is crazy just how thoroughly fucked over so many characters have been for years.

>>151530496
FPWP

>>151532444
Check'd
Clint should return and make the Thunderbolts great again

>>151543229
Well so far the main ideas where Hank Pym, Scarlet Witch, Firestar, Beast, Crystal, US Agent, Ben Reily, Vision and the recent Sandman thread has me thinking he'd be a good addition since that could mean putting some of Pym's villain rehabilitation elements from EMH. I'd also advocate for Rita Demara as a member since she's one of 8 niche Marvel characters I hyperfixate on.

>>151543430
>only half of them were characters I expected
jesus christ, really says something about the state of the cast

DeMara could help accentuate Pym further, couldn’t she? I’m not super familiar, but I do remember she was going by Yellowjacket at one point. Wasn’t she also a former criminal whom Wasp (or was it Pym I don’t remember) helped become a hero?

>>151543453
What characters were you expecting that I didn't mention?

Essentially Rita Demara was a criminal that stole Hank's old Yellowjacket suit and modified it for her lovely figure then fought Wasp. It ended when she had a brief psychological breakdown when she first shrunk and got arrested. After that she was in Baron Zemo's Masters of Evil during Under Siege where Fixer simped for her super hard but she was grossed out, Yellowjacket then when figuring she could get even with Wasp after the events of the story noticed Black Knight being turned down by Janet and figured fuck revenge I'm gonna follow the hunk in her words. Afterwards Fixer attacked cause she turned him down again during which she saved a child. After that she would show up in a few other stories as a tagalong hero in Evolutionary War, joined Doctor Octopuses Masters of Evil with her heart not in it before joining the Guardians of the Galaxy for a while untill she sadly got killed off when she came back from their time in the Crossing story. Her last appearance and my introduction to her was in the Dead Avengers issues/Chaos War. Anycase I do think Hank and Rita could have an interesting dynamic plus I do find the idea of her going after Janet's ex husband and would probably be petty about it to her immensely amusing as much as I think it'd actually make a solid relationship based on their personalities and individual character histories.

>>151543592
Tony Stark, She-Hulk, Justice, and Thor for the most part (though I’ve heard Thor is actually doing alright? I’m just thinking back to Whor and the shitshow that followed). If independents that were at one point Avengers for whatever reason count, throw in Peter Parker and Doctor Strange too. Was also going to mention bubsnikt but I will abstain to prevent listing almost every single X-Man in history.

Thanks for the clarification on DeMara. I’ve yet to read a fair amount of Avengers past the Silver Age, some crossovers, some guest appearances, and a few infamously bad events (“they can’t be that bad, can they?” famous last words) so I was out of the loop. Much appreciated

>>151543676
Yeah frankly the team focus was on characters that weren't just mistreated but also just so aggressively and viciously misused or neglected which admittedly doesn't narrow it down much but you get the idea.

Also no problem, if want to read the stuff with Rita Demara at all to see why I commissioned a bunch of art of her and also just to get some mostly solid reads then here's the full list of her appearances.
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=1892

>>151543125
he IS currently living with Nadia, as it was shown in the Mackay's Moon Knight

>>151544128
Yeah, I mean can we see more of that then so that they can catch up and he can give the accounts of his life to her instead of his ex wife. Also will say was cool to see Mackay give him some cool stuff like effortlessly working with the Mysterium cause of its Kirbon elements or having a nice catch up with Tigra.

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Screw you all, I'm Henry Pym

>>151532556
That looks like ass.

>>151530434
I agree

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>>151544664
no, he’s Henry Pym.

>>151547910
damn right he is

>>151549634
>This infuriates editorial

Yellow Jacket > Ant-Man > Pymtron > Giant Man >>>> Goliath

>>151550275
Remember when Hawkeye was Goliath?

hes current carrying the shit out of battleworld

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Loved him and Jan in the EMH cartoon too
>>151542412
ultra based reference

>>151530434
His Ant-Man suit is so cool

>>151553817
Most of his outfits were pretty rad

>>151554609
True

>>151550219
I remember something about a lot of Marvel writers seem to crush on Janet the most. I can't blame them, if they're talking EMH, but is it possible Marvel editorial has a vendetta against Hank for "taking" their waifu?

>>151555859
I think they were all too busy trying to tap that sweet sweet Flo Steinburg

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But on that subject of Wasp, I think Jan is also a character who never gets enough respect. Yeah she was fun as hell in EMH but it wasn't some correction of a grave injustice or misused character. Jan's been a terrific Avenger, even leader a few times and she did an alright job. She wasn't just some flighty bimbo.

>>151556032
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t tried harder to push her given how antsy heh everyone is about using Hank now.

>>151557984
Well sadly she missed the push since she was cut from the Avengers movie

>>151557984
>>151558353
She got to be on the heavily MCU based Avengers rosters in the two animes.
Otherwise, I think it's just because Marvel wanted to push other flying energy blast heroines and didn't want overlap (through that isn't stopping them from having 2 Falcon's on the team)

Why do Giant-Man and Wasp keep getting omitted from recent Avengers adaptations?

>>151558955
Couple of reasons
>niche power overlap
>not much MCU focus
>the cool things about might not just translate well to the project
>roster space tends to be tight, so more 'important' or 'interesting' picks are chosen instead

>>151558948
I will say those 2 animes also gave her pretty good designs and both used Diamondback which was a pretty based thing. Future Avengers also had Kid Kaiju and Kang in them so kinda biased towards it for including my faves.

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>>151558948
Ah yes, that time we were all pogs.

>>151558955
Because modern writers are cynical, have no love for the medium or it's history and will either hide or downplay things that are the safe kind of cool

>>151559048
I remember Ms.Marvel being kinda cute in that one
>>151561308
Where did they/Tony even get the pog idea?

>>151561448
>Where did they/Tony even get the pog idea?
Something something locking up bad guys something something toys

>>151561890
You think Stark has a merchandising department?

>>151562174
I would

>>151562174
How do you think he makes most of his money nowadays?

>>151563099
tax fraud?

>>151563318
Other than that.

>>151563318
I wonder what a super hero W2 looks like

>>151565330
I'm kinda surprised Hank and Psycho-man haven't fought in the actual mainline continuity

>>151566165
That can't be right. He must have. He's a villain from a sub atomic dimension that preys on human emotions. He'd be like ARCH ENEMY levels of fitting for Hank.

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>>151566519
Fuck you Nate

>>151567026
Agree. Fuck Nate Grey. Nathan Summers is cool though.

>>151566488
Surprisingly despite the perfect overlap and yes as you've pointed out how tailor made Psycho-man would be to fight Hank, no they've never officially fought. You did remind me speaking of rogues gallery transplants that I've for a while thought that Dr Demonicus and Controller would make great villains for Hank Pym.

>>151566519
Who gives a fuck what you think Nate, you're just one out of a hundred shitty X-Men oc's

>>151567677
Cable is one of the more popular X-Men side characters through.
I'd argue most casuals like him more than Hank.

>>151567709
Casuals have no taste

>>151567709
I don't care what most casuals think since they also shill characters like Knull, Jessica Jones, Miles and Batman who laughs. Also an X-Men character trying to tear down a character that isn't in their comic circle might as well be a day ending in y and just like that I couldn't give less of a shit for it.

>>151568751
He's still smarter than any given X-men smart guy.Really what did Beast do for years? Fail to cure mutant aids? He was cooler on Avengers anyways. And Forge just cheat codes his way to slapping shit in the junk drawer together.

>>151568792
Hank absolutely can do insanely impressive stuff like when he grew so big alongside Absorbing Man that they saw the Living Tribunal and his mates lounging about. It's just only a few writers have his back to let him do cool stuff like reverse engineering mysterium to cure a magic drug for Moon Knight or how Ultron is objectively the most impressive mechanical lifeform even if he's evil and insane. Also you mentioning Beast has reminded me that Firestar and him get treated much better the further away from X-Men they are.

>>151568922
Name any mutant who was an Avenger and I promise you they were treated better on that team. Well maybe no Pietro. PAD X-factor was really good. But otherwise solid record.

>>151568974
I think Carol Danvers is the one notable Avenger who debatably got treated better by an X-writer following the infamous #200 but even then Claremont used that followup to shit on the Avengers so it seems like X-Men writers starting shit for no reason was always the case for a good while and even then Busiek salvaged Carol Danvers plus still tackled the Marcus Immortus stuff.

>>151568974
>mutant
>pietro
Pick one

>>151569610
give it another six months

>>151569785
try never ever

>>151569972
yeah we'll see

>>151570041
2 more weeks

>>151569610
Don't worry, he and Wanda will become brotherhood members after Secret War reboots the universe.

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>>151572455
Just her Skrull senses
Also I guess I fucked up and didn't actually post the other two pages

>>151572455
Bendis should get cancer already the gormless cocksucker

>>151572455
and they wonder why nobody likes her

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>>151572564
Carol is the best that's why

>>151572455
This is just genuinely awful

>>151572925
You can probably guess who wrote it from how needlessly nasty and mean the characters are written plus the ooc hatred that more so reflects the writers shit taste.

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>>151572954
Not to mention of all people who thinks they get to shit on anyone for a personal demon

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It's not like she said it out loud

>>151558607
>>151572477
>>151572487
great bit, sad that the first issue treated Helmut Zemo as a no-name hydra nazi so it became unreadable to me

>>151572997
Even thinking it should be grossly out of character and having the basic decency to not tell a mentally ill person you think they should kill themselves isn't really a virtue. Even thinking it is repugnant.

>>151573003
Ah Helmut Zemo, the other major Marvel character I like that has been hard sidelined and mistreated by writers, sucks even more since he's such a nuanced character while also being an enjoyable villains who's a focal point for many of Marvels greatest stories. Luckily Kang, my other character really fond of, has actually managed to somewhat dodge bad treatment comic wise since Ewing and Mackay seen to love using him plus giving him actually cool stuff to do.

>>151572968
It's even more egregious since Hank and Carol worked together pretty much no issue during Busiek's run so it's even more grossly out of character. Hell that run had a great moment during Kang Dynasty of Hank and Wanda being quite friendly together.

>>151572997
Heroes shouldn't be telling other heroes to kill themselves, I hate that 2000's shit of making superheros who were friends or at most had fun beef absolutely despise each other and act nasty, it's the most absolute shit tier of character writing and exposes how much some abysmal writers can't grasp these characters at all on the simplest level.

>>151530434
Am I the only one who likes the ultimate version of him? Millar was being edgy. But the couple is frighteningly realistic for a superhero comic book. He went where even Alan Moore didn't go. Moore would have sidestepped this kind of behavior, which is quite common in the real world. Is it over-the-top violence and treated with laughter? True, but it's very much like it is in the real world. I know it's fiction, but I liked it. Also, the whole “inferiority complex” and him being the giant was well done. And it ties in with the other characters' arcs.

>>151573975
Yes you are the only person who likes an absolute dog shit take on a character built around flanderising him on a single panel and ignoring pretty much everything else regarding his characterisation.

>>151567677
To be fair to Cable here, wasn't this when Pymtron first returned to Earth, and the Uncanny Avengers were trying to confirm if he really was Hank, or Ultron pretending to be Hank. I can't remember if this was before or after Jan told the others that it wasn't Hank, but Cable's the type of guy who'd be blunt enough to say something like that to try and get a reaction of of Pymtron that would settle the matter.

>>151574100
Besides that Hawkeye moment. Ant-Man never had a memorable moment in the comics. Like, one of his villains was Egghead. For God's sake. And the way they dealt with domestic violence in 616 was clumsy as fuck.

>>151574312
>Like, one of his villains was Egghead. For God's sake.
>He's actually saying this like it's a bad thing
He's actually one of those impossibly petty villains and completely obsessed with his rivalry with that one hero he hates. The exact type of villain /co/ tends to love.

>>151572437
It's genuinely depressing how Wanda and Pietro have grown and developed so much since 1965, yet there are still so many casuals who just want them standing behind Magnet Man in the Brotherhood, and possibly even being unironic villains, "because muh X-Men cartoons".

>>151574323
Ant Man only had one run of stories, and they're boring as hell. His replacement had better stories, but as a character, I like Ultimate Pym better.

>>151574302
Yeah I know that but it still irrationally irritates me since its easy to read between the lines as it being the writer just wanting to shit on Hank Pym using Cable.

>>151574312
So you don't like the character or care for his storylines but are saying that this deliberately made out to be worse version of him is better? Yeah you have nothing I want to hear from you, sorry mate

>>151574323
Egghead being voiced by Wayne Knight In Super Hero Squad was perfect, genuinely can't think of any other voice for the character since it just fits so well.

>>151574406
There are characters who are just worthless, and some versions of him make him more interesting. Has anyone here read Kirby's Machine Man? By far one of the worst things he ever did. The BWS series saved what was a worthless character by making him totally unrecognizable. And in Pym's case, it's the same character, only taken to the extreme.

>>151574333
Word of advice, what an X-Men fan or writers wants for Marvel characters, media or games can be safely and sufficiently ignored. Look at Maximilian Dood trying to make Tokon's roster prediction or how X-Men 97 portrayed Captain America alone for recent examples.

>>151574422
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VIEbphRunGI

>>151574333
>>151574424
Cartoons and vidya has been the thing forming people's opinions of capes for a long time. I don't see why one has to blame the X-Men specifically.

>>151574503
>I don't see why one has to blame the X-Men specifically.
Because this is a situation where people are obsessing over these characters having minor roles in 20-30 year old cartoons they saw when they were kids, not only over the comics, but over more recent movies which had a lot more impact on the perception of these characters, and in Wanda's case, finally let her breakout as a star character. And these people are fighting tooth and nail to drag the twins back to where they were in 1964-1965 just because that's what X-Men cartoons did. That's why blame them specifically. X-Men fandom don't want their own characters tied down to what they were like in those cartoons because of muh decades of growth and history, but Wanda and Pietro have to be dragged back to their original status quo because of those cartoons? No.

>>151574665
People want to drag characters to what they recognize.
Ultron got shit on for being enough like EMH/Next Avengers, there's the entire Robin/Lantern war for DC adaptations. Iron-Boy discourse.
About the only difference is that most of the Avengers didn't have popular pre-MCU depictions unlike Spidey, X-Men, the Hulk and Dr.Doom, so there was less 'not muh' there.

>>151530434
What is he avenging

>>151575431
EMH Ultron is another case where an adaptation got a character wrong. I'm not saying AoU was "right", but the people complaining that Ultron should be flat-voiced and emotionless like muh EMH were idiots.

People who are old enough to work out that movies change things and may adapt a character wrong are old enough to also figure out that the cartoons they saw as kids sometimes did the exact same thing, and sometimes the cartoons did something objectively worse, you shouldn't be demanding it be the default for the character just because muh childhood.

The same people would be chimping out if there was a big push to keep Cyclops as an idealistic boyscout or Emma Frost as a minor villain because that's what most cartoons did.

>>151530434
Why is he called Hank if his name is Henry?
…how has this happened with two separate characters?

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Its funny how Hank is only had like 3 romances of which one wasnt even him while Janet is only behind She Hulk in the amount of men she slept with, yet its Hank who for some reason has children and grandchildren and grand grandchildren

>>151573785
I just wish they would come up with "the 10's Zemo was a clone made by [X] bc Hydra liked his groove" and then the one from the 2000's just comes back like nothing happened.
Actually, with the MCU doing a Zemo that has zero connections to nazism, it's weird how there was zero synergy done there that could have helped our boy.

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>>151574312
>Like, one of his villains was Egghead
And it was also some of the best comics in the series.
>And the way they dealt with domestic violence in 616 was clumsy as fuck.
Because it wasn't a domestic violence issue you fucking illiterate, it was a mental health issue. And they dealt with far better than anything they've dealt with in the past two decades.

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>>151572997
get raped idiot

>>151574422
>Has anyone here read Kirby's Machine Man?
I did, it was "kino", as the young'uns love to say

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>>151578084
Hank is a common nickname for Henry. It doesn't make sense a lot of the time. Wait till you learn what Jack is short for.

>>151574424
>Maximilian Dood
tbf he isn't really a X-men fan, he's just a 2D fighters nutjob, so ofc he would have a preference to the capes that dominated said genre years ago and were unjustified-ly excluded in MvCI

>>151579131
I do find it funny that there are two separate oddly-sized Marvel scientists, both male, who’re biological geniuses, Silver Age superheroes, former Avengers, partial to red and/or blue suits, named Henry but better known as Hank. And they got some of their powers from formulas they themselves invented.

>>151579071
Yeah it's be easy enough to say the Baron Zemo everyone actually likes, Helmut, was quietly just enjoying retirement while also training himself or dabbling in some projects, maybe he got a wife in that time but decides when he sees on the news that he was apparently killed by Dr Doom and what he's heard about the supposedly deceased him that it's time to come out of retirement perhaps through meeting old comrades such as Moonstone, The Wrecking Crew and so on for example. Though if he did have a missus, she would also obviously be a supervillain also to tag along perhaps.

>>151579197
Honestly as much as it sucked they weren't in Infinite, if they just actually filled the roster with cool new characters for either Marvel and Capcom instead of just mostly recycling 3 with a few exceptions it wouldn't have been so noticeable and issue....also that functions comment was the absolute worst possible thing and Wolverine not being in MVC is genuine insanity.

>>151581021
I honestly don't even think the roster itself is altogether too bad. A bit too movie-centric for my liking but honestly I think a bigger problem was the character designs and graphic style. They were just boring and if it looked more like the comic stuff it probably would have gone over better. The game just looked boring.

>>151581178
Yeah the art style was absolutely the games most fatal flaw since it just looks cheap and the models look vaguely ugly mostly. Honestly the Capcom side of the roster probably suffers the most since the only cool new additions were X, Jedah and the DLC. Like it'd of been so easy to have some absolute bangers newcomers but they just didn't since the game seemed like it was really underfunded and just missing what MVC3 had going since that was a roster even with the mistake of the characters that were stupid busted.

>>151581246
Capcom side definitely needed work. I mean Captain Commando? really?

>>151582052
I mean Bionic. Captain would have been cool as fuck.

>>151574665
So, Hulk was only an Avenger for 2 issues, and no writer bothered bringing him back for 50 years. But him being on all 4 Avengers films allowed to leapfrog other long-serving Avengers like Hank, Simon, and Pietro. Before that, the Hulk brand was mostly kept separate from the Avengers brand.

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>>151574312
>Besides that Hawkeye moment. Ant-Man never had a memorable moment in the comics.
You mean this?

>>151583198
That was Scott

>>151573975
What behavior?

>>151576925
>The same people would be chimping out if there was a big push to keep Cyclops as an idealistic boyscout or Emma Frost as a minor villain because that's what most cartoons did.
Emma's big cartoon role was as a member of the main team through. And if a new X-Men cartoon had her as a Hellfire Club member I doubt there would be much complaining (outside of the usual Jean vs Emma stuff).
Cyclops discourse is mostly just not wanting him to be as much of a dweeb as in the Fox movies and WatX.

>>151583022
funny how EMH was originally a Hulk's show, explains how prevalent he is despite also having big streaks of episodes without him since they also wanted to be faithful to the source material

>>151584003
>Emma's big cartoon role was as a member of the main team through
Yeah on the show nobody watched. And maybe that anime that nobody remembers.

>>151584338
not being as popular as TAS doesn't mean nobody watched it

>>151584467
No but being on Nicktoons with a 2 month hiatus sure as fuck does

>>151584508
Well, thanks to a little invention called the Internet, a lot of people were able to watch it back in the day.

>>151584621
There's a world of difference between a handful of fanboys on the internet who know how to get this stuff and the common broadcast audience. The show was a forgotten curiosity less remembered than the Pryde of the X-men pilot.

>>151584508
>>151584810
Or maybe you're just clearly really biased

>>151541773
>It's even worse because actual villains with mental health issues sometimes got treated with more nuance and even sympathy.
tell this to the scorpion

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>>151542595
>Rita

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>>151585793
Who has the EMH screenshot of Jan with a black eye

>>151585803
Then they fucked, also Rita's hair colour is wrong

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>>151585811
I don't know if or where I would have saved it so have a fresh one

>>151585869
I don't think it was consistent in the comics much either

>>151585935
Marvel wiki says strawberry blonde but I've mostly seen it ginger or orange coloured. Mind you one of the artists I commissioned Hank X Rita made Pym a redhead by mistake....I cope by saying he's just concealing ants on his hair lol.

>>151580242
Same reason there are two people named Peter who use self-created adhesives. Just a common name at the time.

>>151586293
Hair color can shift a lot in comic books. Blondes are usually fairly consistent, black hair is usually consistent, but anything in between is very variable. Eyes are overkill to the point I wonder why they even bother listing that in character profiles.

>>151586520
I remember Shocker has like 4 or 5 different unmasked designs over the years, Boomerang/Fred Myers is blonde sometimes and brunette other times. One that intentionally bugs me is the What If cartoon made Nebula blonde but she has black hair in all her old haired designs including superhero squad which was my intro to her.

>>151583637
Couples tend to fight. In this case, Pym behaves like a violent partner and Janet is the partner who stays even though she knows about his behavior. It's stated that he had been doing this since the beginning of the relationship. And he blackmails her because she was a mutant on top of that. Racism + Possessive behavior.

>>151587242
What a total spew of dogshit ideas and character assassination for both of them.

>>151587242
Wow. You're an idiot.

I like Black Knight

>>151588657
>>151588663
Hank Pym gaslighting Norman Osborn is fucking rad

This is the thread where people pretend that Hank Pym was a good character.

>>151588992
No one's pretending, pull your head out of your own ass for a change

>>151580991
>Yeah it's be easy enough to say the Baron Zemo everyone actually likes, Helmut,
To be honest I hated Nicieza turning a villain like Helmut Zemo into some kind of antihero as much as I hate Claremont doing it with Magneto.

>maybe he got a wife in that time
Zemo had a wife, an early Thunderbolts issue claimed she died in prison. Marvel killed her either as a way of writing her out of Zemo's life just because there was no role for her in Thunderbolts, or because of the weird controversy around her debut story where she was presented as being Zemo's dad's brain transplanted into a female body where nobody would expect to find him. Apparently it was just meant as hokey comic book villainy but had the intentional controversy of bringing a very dead villain back and the unintended controversy of "did Heinrich Zemo troon out?" Greunwald tried to salvage the situation by making her a big fangirl of the Zemo family who'd just pretended to be Heinrich, but then she got killed off anyway.

>>151581246
Let's be honest, the only real novelties new iterations of these games have to offer are improved visuals and new characters. It's insane that the one thing people are screeching about almost ten years later is "it's bad because the X-Men weren't in it", and at a time when the X-Men were culturally virtually irrelevant. There's an argument to be made for Wolverine and Deadpool yet somehow it's Magneto not being there that seemed to be one of the main points people couldn't get over, there's several of the earlier games he wasn't in.

>>151589254
Oh I don't mean making Helmut an anti hero since he's still a murderer with grand ambitions of domination plus constantly manipulated his teammates without guilt, I'd just keep his character development that made him a more complex villain but still an unashamed villain and the fact he moved on from the Nazi beliefs that his father tried to impress into him.

Also that sounds very frankly bizarre, I knew about Heike Zemo but never anything about Heinrichs brainwaves which makes the marriage fucking weird to a Marcus Immortus and Carol Danvers extent. Also it'd be more interesting that Baron Zemo if he had a supervillain wife that she had her own unique mantle instead of just a lady version of his.

>>151583022
Hulk being in EMH is almost certainly because that cartoon was made during Phase 1 of the MCU, and it was known he was going to be part of the Avengers in the movies, and the movies weren't necessarily going to have him leave as quickly as the comics did. That cartoon and the MCU have between them created the idea among normies that Hulk is more important to the Avengers than he really is in the comics, but the important difference is that this isn't harmful to normie perception of who Hulk is the way X-Men adaptations portraying Wanda and Pietro as villains is.

>But him being on all 4 Avengers films allowed to leapfrog other long-serving Avengers like Hank, Simon, and Pietro.
If you mean Hank Pym, he was in EMH and the previous cartoon, and so was Wonder Man. If by "Hank" you mean Beast, he was unlikely to ever get into an Avengers cartoon because he's much more of an X-Men character. The makers of EMH wanted it to be a shared universe with Wolverine & The X-Men, which starred Beast, and this is also the reason Pietro and Wanda aren't in an Avengers cartoon, because an X-Men cartoon doing weird in name only versions of them yet again and making Pietro a villain was treated as more important.

>>151589276
Honestly Thanos having a completely new Moveset, Sigma and Ultron as additions plus Monster Hunter showcased the best parts of the gameplay so yeah even without X-Men there was no excuse for the lack of creative new characters they coulda added with the rest of the Marvel universe available or Capcoms entire game catalogue at their fingertips. Even if MVC2 is mostly an asset dump with God awful balance and a soundtrack that's a massive stepdown from it's predecessor, they did smartly have tons of new characters added on either side plus what characters they brought back weren't at the expense of that.

>>151586586
This is sadly common for lower-tier villains who aren't seen unmasked that often, especially in older times when the artist might not have had access to reference material of the rare previous times the villain had been seen unmasked. There's less excuse for it in modern times, and then there's Superior Foes where Shocker looks black.

>>151588819
>I like Black Knight
Which one?

>>151588833
I wonder how Hank would get on with modern Norman?

>>151589304
I think the reason Hulk being in EMH works was since they got all the vitals of his characterisation, his supporting cast and despite how he wasn't in the classic Avengers much they made the character interactions so good that it worked perfectly. It's like how Kang or Hank had changes from their comic versions but as a whole they were interesting changes that benefitted the show while the major essentials of what to adapt from the comics were carried over super well, Wanda and Pietro never benefit from the X-Men elements to be honest since they are so hard engrained as Avengers characters with all their major development and character moments so intrinsically tied to it. Hell Wolverine and the X-Men confused me for the longest time with pairing her with Nightcrawler since that's not really a thing in the comics I can recall since her major romances are Vision which then got sabotaged by pairing her with Simon Williams.

>>151589289
Do you even understand that nobody under 40 really cares about the X-Men anymore? There's a reason Disney's pushing it as a 90s nostalgia brand.

>>151589319
Dane, the only one that matters

>>151589313
I don't think Shocker is meant to be black in Superior Foes, it's just meant to be a fake tan apparently from an artist/writer note but then again who knows since Janice debuted as white, was a sexy mixed gal and then when drawn by Romita Jr is given the most stereotypical black appearance possible. There's a few Marvel villains that have consistent unmasked appearances but I think the main reason it's inconsistent is cause of different artist interpretation and also if a character is masked/their design is defined by their costume so long then some artists just don't care enough how they depict them without it.

>>151589319
I think Hank would be baffled by the audacity that apparently people took Norman redeeming himself seriously then be even more baffled by the sheer concept of his sins got pushed out of his body even if it was magical/supernatural in nature cause of a shotgun so it's an actual legit redemption on Norman's part. Honestly it does make me think it'd be cool if they carried over some of EMH Hank's villain empathy/willingness to redeem them over to the comics especially since when Ewing brought him back to life he was working with a bunch of C-list villains who's deaths he faked, it's still surreal to me that Norman is a good guy and has stayed that way arguably longer then when Otto tried it.

>>151530653
So he changed his name to henry?

>>151589276
Maybe because MvC2 is a perfect time capsule of an era where most people didn't care about the Avengers. There're only 3 Avengers members compared to 18 X-Men characters. Even the newcomers are just additional X-Men. Avengers barely had presence outside of comics until 2010. Just 10 years ago before Endgame, their main presence was 3 crappy direct-to-video movies.

>>151589334
And no one cares about Inhumans to a point that Donny Cates wrote a comic about them being murdered one-by-one.

>>151589379
I always wondered why I didn't care for MVC2 compared to the other games....well actually no I didn't considering the kinda ugly backgrounds, the lack of the iconic music from the first MVC and so on.

>>151589388
I mean nobody mentioned the Inhumans and that push really did more to hurt them then X-Men really

>>151589388
>brings up Inhumans out of nowhere
You're still going to be seething about Inhumans when you're 90, aren't you?

Hickman recently brought the dead Inhuman royals back again, btw. Didn't even acknowledge that mini killing them.

>>151589379
MVC2 had 3 new Marvel characters, Cable was popular enough to make sense, but Marrow and Capcom wasting a slot on an alternate version of Wolverine when there were so many Marvel characters from outside the X-books going unused was just stupid. There were other Marvel characters who were known outside of comics, adding another Spider-Man villain or Ghost Rider might have made more sense.

>>151589368
No matter how absurd the way it happened was, Norman has been changed, and he's really, genuinely trying to make amends for his past, but he just has no idea how to truly be a hero.

The fact that he's genuinely trying and the risk of what happens if he reverts back to evil are two good reasons why it's better for heroes to be supportive like Peter has been, rather than hostile like Miles and his cronies have been.

And a few years earlier, Sabretooth got turned good by a magic spell and everyone just went with it, gave him a chance and even let him be an Avenger, it's not like there isn't precedent for this kind of thing happening.

>>151589453
I know it's just surreal to think that if all of Spencer's major contributions to Spidey from his run that this is the one that stuck, honestly it will be interesting to see how it goes from here even if I personally find it baffling as someone who was used to Norman being pretty much one of Marvel's most unrepentant evil bastards. I remember Axis also let Carnage be a hero for a bit though a comedically awful one who's idea of preventing a bank robbery was burning the bank. I remember Shocker got hinted at potential being hero material by Rogue in Uncanny Avengers but that never got followed up on and Shocker has only done a few things in recent years including bring Boomerang back to life.

>>151589484
>this is the one that stuck
Harry is still super dead

>>151589495
Oh and that suppose yeah, poor Harry

>>151530434
Who's the second best

>>151590444
Hank!

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I like Pymtron

>>151591916
>that issue
He should've taken Tony's body and turned it into Jantron again

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>>151589313
speaking of Superior Foes, Abner was doing blackface YET AGAIN for some reason in that series

>>151592563
The dude playing a dude pretending to be another dude

>>151589484
It's Sandman I really miss being a hero. That was a legit redemption.

>>151594563
Yeah, him and Spidey on an Avengers team would've been so much fun.

>>151595270
Hard

>>151530434
Who?

>>151597923
Why are you acting stupid when you literally have access to the internet and his name right there in the post, you can skim a wiki in like 5 minutes

>>151589388
speaking off, one of those superhero lore guys on youtube is doing a video on the inhumans push
So prepare for more normalfags making fun of inhumans.

>>151599114
It's bad enough we get from X-fags

>>151598547
Wait, when was Ben an Avenger?

>>151600876
Hawkeye got him on the west coast for like a weekend

>>151599814
I mean, the guy is already a Krakoa shill.

>>151600876
with spidey in bendis' Nuvengers

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>>151600876
>>151601054

>>151601054
Ohhhh that’s why I didn’t remember. Bendis shit doesn’t count in my head.

>>151601327
My memory of that whole stretch is just dial tone

>>151602893
The only thing I remember from Bendisvengers besides him overating The Hood while acting like his villain mob idea was so special when the Serpent Society already pulled it and 2 issues where Wrecker curbstomped the team and implied he fancied Carol Danvers cause she was thicc.

Begging and praying that Hank Pym gets added to Cosmic Invasion cause I fucking love the game and him getting in would only make me love it more.

Why was he Hank Pym?

>>151604640
Eh, not sure he would work for this kinda game specifically.

>>151589453
I'd expect Hank going "I don't trust you, I don't trust you being changed by 'Magic', but I do trust Spider-man and I am not a good person myself so I'm winning to be professional"

Last I knew of Hank before I quit comics was his body was fused with Ultron, he attacked, Tony cucks him, Janet stole his daughter, everyone says they always hated him, everyone claps, and his soul was literally eaten. All the while Jocasta became a robo-feminist.

He get un-soul eaten yet? I mean everyone dies in comics but I would assume the PC world wouldn't allow a "wife beater" to exist anymore. Especially after this level of cucking.

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>>151544128
>living with Nadia
>Oh that's cool let me look that up
>Issue 7, 1st page
Already not going to read.

>>151607519
what? it's a good joke mocking the
>muh sciencebabble that the author doesn't understand

>>151609183
And it was done to death years ago during the whole OMG I LOVE SCIENCE JUST LIKE NIEL DEGRASSE TYSON! days

>>151606060
pym particles

>>151606100
I think he could if perhaps went with his Giant-man mantle and went for something sorta like She-hulk but with a sprinkling of Ants, hell he could maybe grow for his special either for a big attack it as a stat buff. Also you could do Yellowjacket also as an option where it's a more aggressive style with him using a laser blaster for some moves with him shrinking for his dodges.

>>151607298
Hank was utterly lucky that Al Ewing likes him and brought him back to life even if he's old at the moment as a tradeoff but Steve Rogers had an old guy phase and so did Logan.

>>151613758
There are actual characters who were designed as old men and they never use them.

ants

more ants

Less Ants more beetles

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>>151616640
It's a hard days night

>>151618345
I know Janice fucked Scott Lang and hasn't ever fought or interacted with Hank

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>>151618345
>>151619120
Would you fuck a supervillain?

>>151619180
Yes, there's like 7 or so Marvel villainess babes I'd love to bang

>>151619120
Not all people who dress as insects know each other. And that is okay.

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>>151616640
The Insect Squad with Beetle Boy and Wasp, (also Spider-Kid). From a world where Hank and Jan stayed together and had kids, after the mutants wiped themselves out and the world became a utopia for purely coincidental reasons

>>151619449
True, they aren't a hivemind lol

>>151619501
the big bad beetle boy?

>>151619501
>Hank and Janet stay together in a healthy relationship and mutants are gone vamoose
Sounds like a perfect universe

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>>151619188
Even if Captain America says it's wrong?

>>151620736
I'm actually liked Spencer's Spider-Man run for the most part but yes, despite how fond of Captain America I am I'll have to go against his words though Steve also shagged up with Diamondback though did redeem her before banging suppose. I'm curious which writer will do a Hank Pym run since seems like Ewing, Mackay and Christos Gage are the major writers who like or even want to use him at all.

>>151607298
You should read the Ant-Man mini Ewing did fairly recently but basically
>In some future timeline Pymtron gets the power of the All Father
>Scott says if he were truly Hank he'd have used that power to free himself from Ultron
>Pymtron schizes out, part of Hank actually does break free and ends up back in the present
>Now he's an old man for synergy
>He's running around doing his own version of the Lethal Legion where he's trying to get C-Listers to reform
>Also right now he's on a new Battleworld or something being by far the most competent person present

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzzpqecbDOc

>>151622897
Man of all the dangling plot threads Crazy Hank is the one I'm the most sad about

>>151621476
>>Also right now he's on a new Battleworld or something

So he was separated from his evil hybrid existence with Ultron (when?) and went off the grid (?) while Ultron split up into the 5 Power Ranger versions of itself then suddenly (?) he was teleported to Battleworld but now bearded, older, and good. Is that right?

>>151615162
man

>>151624582
*men

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>>151530434
Agreed

>>151624962
Wow, this must be a new record for someone taking this long to post this damn panel, honestly I'm impressed that we went 5 days without it

>>151607298
they keep flip floping on this, Ultron was sure he did fuse with hank, and nick spencer played ball in secret empire, then slott said Ultron killed Hank when fusing with him. and that the Hank half of pymtron was a digital copy, that alings with the infinity tie-in where hank soul got eaten.
but then Erwing mini treats Pymtron and if Hank was indeed really there, but, regardless of that, when Pymtron becomes all powerful Hank, wherever the real one or the ia copy uses that power to separate from ultron while also healing or regaining his soul.
so it should all be good, they just made it so needestly complicated, erwing could just had someone retrieve Hank Soul from that inifinity tie in instead, would be more streamlined.

>>151626016
Superheroes have a weird tendency to become existential questions over time.

>>151625634
hankpocrisy

>>151626425
It's no HankS,. They're allowed to have one.

>>151626444
hankspocrisy

>>151625634
lol

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>You could theoretically vote for him 4 times.
This is a kind of interesting poll. Also Yellowjacket II "counts" while some other dubious/honorary cases like Marrina, D-Man, and Mar-Vell aren't listed. Or Jim Hammond who was unambiguously a Wacko for a bit (Maybe they didn't want to list him as Human Torch 0).
Wonder if Marvel could even figure out how many Avengers there are if they wanted to make a poll like this now.

>>151627751
Did Marvel ever post the results in any book??

>>151627751
The 90s were wild. No wonder the Avengers never really measured up to the level of 'iconic feel' the Justice League had until the MCU popularized some of these characters more. Thinking about what these characters were like in the 90s, someone like Thor, Scarlet Witch, Vision or Black Panther did not seem anywhere near as big as they became. Having the FF in the Avengers just seemed kind of redundant as their main team we all knew was always going to be FF.

>>151628186
That was probably why they only hung around for one story arc at most. Same with Spider-Man. Marvel seems more spread out with their popular characters.

>>151627751
For me, it's Ms. Marvel I and Spider-Woman I.

>>151628405
But Spider-Woman I wasn't an Avenger at the time of the poll. She recovered from being dead in Avengers at least though.

>>151628405
Fuck off, Bendis

>>151628488
Seems Luke Cage deficient for him.

>>151599114
>speaking off, one of those superhero lore guys on youtube is doing a video on the inhumans push
>So prepare for more normalfags making fun of inhumans.
>Stand by for more pretending X-Men was still Marvel's top-selling franchise in the mid 2010s until Ike CANCELLED THEM ALL to push Inhumans
>Also stand by for yet more crying about Marvel vs Capcom
>Stand by for the usual glaring and obvious inaccuracies about the Inhumans

>>151600933
>I mean, the guy is already a Krakoa shill.
So he's gay then? There's not really any other excuse for that.

>>151627751
You could theoretically vote for Hawkeye and again as Goliath II as well.

I think Jim Hammond may be the only omission who wasn't an honorary, a reservist, or an Avenger for one single issue.

>>151628097
They did run the results on an Avengers letters page and the poll didn't get that many responses, the characters with the most votes were only in the hundreds. IIRC the results seemed heavily skewed with regards to if a character was already in another team book, as if readers knowing characters were unavailable to be on an Avengers lineup affected voting, so some longtime Avengers underperformed because they were in Force Works.

>>151628186
Keep in mind this was a few years before the Justice League relaunched with the 'big 7' lineup. In the first half of the 1990s there were several Justice League books with the bigger characters divided between them, and as many lower-tier characters as the Avengers had. You're right that the MCU has done big things for raising the profile of so many Avengers into household names, and Marvel don't seem to know how to capitalize on it.

FF members joining the Avengers in the 80s was usually because of those characters briefly becoming 'available' to other writers during FF lineup changes, which never lasted long.

>>151619180
>>151620736
I miss Spencer's Ant-Man so bad bros. Marvel should do more of that, ya know how popular that Dispatch game got? It gave me strong Ant-Man and Superior Foes vibes.

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>>151628097
>>151627751
Well goddamn 95 Avengers fans.

>>151628988
Wow I did not expect Vision that high. And why is Hulk so low? I know Ironman was not as big then as he is now but I was still aware of him, which is more than I can say for Quicksilver, Wasp, Hercules (in the comics anyway).

>>151624962
Reminder that Janet went to freak parties, so it was more than deserved.

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>>151629281
Vision's no surprise. He was always popular. He's like the Martian Manhunter of the group too. Really strong tenure.
>And why is Hulk so low?
Because he was barely an Avenger at all. He's worked with them a lot but I don't think he ever really rejoined the team for ages. Iron Man was pretty intermittent too. Honestly It's kind of funny to look back at the book through eyes of the time. Man. Never any love for Stingray.

>>151629281
>Wow I did not expect Vision that high.
He was a mainstay of the team for most of the first 40 years. Back then Vision, Wanda, Hank, Jan and Hawkeye were probably in more Avengers issues than Iron Man or Thor were, though Cap probably rivalled them. Vision was also on the team in 1995, other characters like Hank, Black Wiow, Quicksilver, Crystal and Hercules who were on the team at the time also did well.

>And why is Hulk so low?
In the comics, Hulk leaves the Avengers in #2, and only rarely came back. He was a founding Avenger, but wasn't really thought of as a major part of the team, nor was there any real demand to bring him back to the Avengers until the MCU and EMH.

>I know Ironman was not as big then
Iron Man and Scarlet Witch had decades of history as Avengers but both underperformed in this poll because it was framed as "who do you want to be the next Avengers lineup?" and at the time they were core members of another team book at the time, Force Works, creating a sense that voting for one of them would be a wasted vote as they weren't available.

>>151629361
My introduction (and pretty much only experience) with him is Armor Wars but man Stingray is so cool.

>>151629284
>Reminder that Janet went to freak parties
What happened? Is this worse than most of the modern Avengers lineups going to Hellfire Galas?

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>>151629838
Yeah, he mostly used to show up in Namor's book and the Avengers were crashing at his lab for a while but he doesn't get used too much. Which is a shame because that suit is sick as hell.

>>151530434
Hank has Pym.

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Hank and Janet's romance was set up to fail, this age gap would not fly these days

>>151631308
>She was only in her 20s!

>>151631446
Wonder how old Hank was intended to be to begin with. Somewhere between 30 and 50 sounds right, but is a large gap.

>>151540490
I mean he did essentially shat on some good work of a NAZI HATING DUO WHO WERE JEWISH.
Honestly I prefer him never doing that Captain American run.
>>151540998
>Cures fucking cancer
My man did more than anything Reed Richard’s could do, and I love reed

>>151631308
Americans were a mistake

>>151567026
>>151567500
>>151568751
This is all true, except Nate Grey.

I rather take him than Mr.”90s edgelord personified” over here, and heck Grey looks better and is basically Mutant Messiah.

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>>151628977
>Choose between redeeming Janice with the power of love or mend a past relationship like Darla, the She-Thing from FF
>All while trying to tard wrangle a bunch of ex-supervillains to work for a legitimate business.
It writes itself

>>151628536
Seems more like a general modern marvel shill + a bit of a leftist.
Also seemed to be pro making Kamala a Mutant.

>>151635058
Kamala becoming a mutant pretty much cribbed her uniqueness and reduced her to a satellite for the X-mooks.

>>151635058
>>151635170
Frankly I feel like being pro Kamala at all is suspect

>>151628988
thx! I am VERY curious WHERE this issue crop is from?

>>151636536
396

>>151636605
darn it - readcomiconline_com does not include that letters page - looking for the full scan...

>>151530434
True

>>151530496
rude

>>151620736
All terrible writers.

>>151625634
He should form his own Antvengers

>>151639025
Hank, Scott, Jan, Cassie, Nadia, Eric?

>>151639419
And some ants

>>151640916
aww

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>>151640916
THIS BABY ANT HAS MORE EMPATHY THEN ALL WOMEN IN MARVEL

>>151639419
a revived rita

>>151632430
I don't think Hank was supposed to be much older than 30-ish back in the 60s. He was never drawn or written as being significantly older than the rest of the adult generation of heroes.

>>151632522
>I mean he did essentially shat on some good work of a NAZI HATING DUO WHO WERE JEWISH.
What happened?

>>151642295
Sure.

ants