What are some references in Comics and animation you didn't get when you were young?
>>151588624Learning Chuck Mangione from KOTH was real.
Basically every Genie's imitation from Aladdin
Pretty much all of Animanaics, Pinky and The Brain and The Simpsons
>>151588624>Hans moleman was a real guyHuh?
>>151588634This also the Family Guy Amadeus joke
>>151588771The feeling of this man being real, discovered with sudden shock, was similar in feeling to if you discovered the same about moleman
>>151588624Pretty much every reference to Abbot & Costello, The Three Stooges, Laurel & Hardy, The Marx Brothers, Fatty Arbuckle, Charlie Chaplin, and/or the East Side/Dead End Kids. Especially watching Abbot & Costello Meet Frankenstein was mind-blowing. Literally every single scene contains like 3-5 jokes I saw imitated a million times by Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies.Besides that just a bunch of stuff in the Scooby Doo crossovers and such like Don Knots and etc.
>>151588807For me it was the Simpsons Dr. Zaius segment.
>>151588878for me it was the rashomon joke
>References are bad, you have to get stuff out of your ass.How are you going to talk about things without referencing anything? Where did this nonsense criticism come from? I've only read this from non-professional critics who write those giant plot summaries and end up being moral fags.
>>151588809Explain further I am really fucking stupid.
>>151588894peter lorre looks like a made-up character like hans moleman
>>151588894Hans Moleman is actually fictional. They are saying the shock of finding out Peter Lorre was a real guy is like if tomorrow you found out Hans Moleman was supposed to be a reference to a real person, it's shocking
funny
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>>151588624George, George
>>151588918Peter Lorre feels made up.
>>151588624>was like finding out hans moleman was a real guyProof?
>>15158862480 years from now people will feel the same way about all the Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Connery, etc parodies in current cartoons.
>>151589434Proof that it felt like that?
>>151588624All of them.
>>151589318Reality is often stranger than fiction.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1J2R_cAbJo>>151589434There is no proof, and he's not looking for people to ask for it. He wasn't saying Moleman was based on a real person down to the letter, but just imagine if he were.
>>151588624What's the lore on Peter?
>>151588624Groucho marx for sure (the glasses, big nose, moustache + cigar novelty combo for those not in the know)
Feels like they didn't have that many Merrie Melodies cameos.
>>151589555Hungarian actor, trained in Shakespeare, but mostly cast as weird little guys.Go watch M, or Casablanca.
>>151588624I wasn't all that young but there was an episode of Recess I didn't realize was a parody of The Warriors.>>151589282A huge percentage of Bugs' jokes are from his routines.
>>151588624A lot, probably the vast majority of them. The fact that I'm not even american made it even harder to even know that it was a reference to begin with. I only got Peter Lorre was probably a reference to someone after I started to see him in a bunch of different cartoons.I mostly only understood it if it was a reference to something I actually watched at the time, like in one episode of Jonny Bravo, there's a reference to Braveheart. That one I got because I had recently watched the movie it at the time. Same with DBZ or Pokemon references. I did understand references to some older things, like the Three Stooges, Chaplin, Mary Poppins, etc., since some of the TV channels I used to watch aired those from time to time.>>151589475Yeah... also any reference to current internet meme/humor, politicians and businessmen too, probably.
>>151590321They were their own big IP at the timeCrossover sloppa was more of a novelty and passing reference, not something a show based its entire premise on
>>151588872Seeing the original mirror scene in Duck Soup and remembering ALLL the cartoons that riffed on it was amazing.
>>151588624Most of the classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons are based on old comedians and TV shows.
>>151588634RIP Chuck. Genuinely an amazingly talented musician. I also thought he was just a weird fictional mini-celebrity they made up for KOTH
>>151588624Finding out that Buzz Lightyear's catch phrase is (probably) taken from "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" from 2001 was a weird realization
>>151588771>>151589434Actual retards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36fiCcBHIs&t=64sThe entire ending to this 1937 cartoon is a bunch of 30s memes and references that come across utterly baffling to modern viewers
There are a couple of things that I've first heard of because they were parodied or referenced in something else.First that comes to mind is The Prisoner. I saw the Simpsons episode that parodied it before I knew what it was parodying. Although even when I saw it I knew it was clearly parodying something.Not sure if there ever was something where I genuinely had no idea that it was a parody or reference until I learned about what it was referencing.
>>151588881That's not how I remember it.
>>151588624"Heart of Dimness" in Animaniacs being a parody of Apocalypse Now is probably the first on my list.
>>151589475I'm hoping people keep parodying Shatner decades from now
>>151592889For me it was not just learning about Apocalypse Now but also Jerry Lewis' The Day The Clown Cried
Does the opposite countSometimes the Warner Bros cartoons leaned too heavily into references, Clampett may have been the best director but I don't care much for Beaky BuzzardThe joke is "he's Mortimer Snerd", there's not really any commentary on him or any parody, he just is Mortimer Snerd as a buzzardWhen you get the reference, it's not so funny to see him do imitations of Mortimer Snerd bits, it just makes you want to listen to the real Mortimer SnerdThere's a later short where his parents are Ronald and Benita Colman as birds, it's a little more substantive I suppose
>>151590321It's weird watching old cartoons making references to all these old celebrities, but the ones who did stand the test of time seem to be a foot note in the eras they originally where active in.
>>151592972Yeah, but that show had always parodied Jerry via its recurring "Mr. Director" character. For me, it's parodying both Jerry and Marlon Brando in one go that makes it stand out.
>>151590321I think it has to do with who the Stooges areThey're already comedic characters, how do you parody that?Lorre was popular to parody for two reasons; he was an ethnic minority with a funny look and voice, and parodying ethnic minorities was considered high class comedy, and he was a serious actorSeeing a serious actor like Bogart or Lorre in comedic stuff was funny, it gives the cartoonist something to joke aboutIt's the same reason you didn't see cartoons joke about other cartoons at the time, too incestuous
>>151588624Humphrey Bogart in the Looney Tunes short with the Penguin.
>>151590795I was going to post this exact thing! I was an oopsie-baby and my parents had me way late, thinking my mother had gone into menopause but there was still a little gas in the tank, apparently. And because my parents are ancient, I grew up with ancient media like someone my age, were he raised by his grandparents, might have been. So while I watched Duck Soup as a young'n, it was still enlightening.The one bit I didn't get until later life was Bugs playing piano and looking to the camera then saying>I wish my brother George was hereIt was a Liberace reference.
>>151589475Man they probably feel that way NOW. None of those guys have done anything in 30 years.
Jimmy durante shit>>151593004>it just makes you want to listen to the real Mortimer Snerdno one has had this desire in over fifty years, you fucking assholeshut the fuck up
>>151588624my first boner was one of those peter lorre looking cartoon guys from looney toons and i still dont know why
>>151589475Ahnuld and Sean yeah. Sly is already forgotten.
>>151588771>he doesn't know
>>151588624most of the shit animaniacs did and still most of looney tunes. shit American dad still surprises me with refrences
You people are aware that these cartoons originally played before the movies alot of these actors parodied were in well before television existed?Some seem to forget that these were meant for adults.
>>151594783Your ugly bastard fetish was showing
>>151594766>no one has had this desire in over fifty years, you fucking assholeIf Edgar Bergen has no fans I am dead
>>151588878>Planet of the Apes: The MusicalLegitimately the finest joke the Simpson's ever had absolute masterwork
>>151590410the whole of Recess was a parody of The Great Escape and Bridge on the River Kwai, amongst other WW2 POW camp movies.
>>151588624I've seen this particular bit referenced all over media in the 90's and had no idea it was referring to this bit specifically. I think I just thought it was a common joke people told, like the "knock knock ORANGE you glad..." type of joke.
>>151588624Reboot was full of so many parodies I didn't get when I was 6 or 7. Elvira and Evil Dead in one episode. I got thr James Bond one cause Golden Eye 64. Good the bad and the ugly. I also didn't know what BDSM dominatrixes and sex was.
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>>151588878>>151595151Same episode had the Checking In segment about the Betty Ford Clinic also starred a fictional mid 90s Robert Downy Junior.
>>151588624What horror movie did he do that solidified him as the weaselly evil scientist guy in Looney Tunes anyway? I only knew of him as the sidekick in Casablanca.
>>151590321Not back in the 40s Looney Tunes, but nearly everyone else later on parodied them like the Beagle Boys from Ducktales, Jabber Jaw, Joker goons in BTAS, South Park, lots of Ren and Stimpy characters, Pinky and the Brain, 70s-90s they were used a lot.
>>151593004They did that a lot too though, they would just take a character personality and make them into a cartoon character. Pretty much every single 60s era Hanna Barbera character was a 60s comedian, but a gorilla, dog, bear etc. Even Bugs was Clark Gable from It Happened one Night.
>>151588624I didn't get the Latin quotes in the Asterix books. It wasn't until the internet that I could find out what they meant.
>>151588624>xitter thread
>>151593379That's not really why at all. You see WAY more Stooges parodies later on when Boomers and Gen X grew up watching them on TV. It really had more to do with the Stooges being popular back then but not to the extent of other performers. Like a lot of other comedians get referenced in Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes original run.
>>151588624Peter Lorre has been dead for 60 years and cartoons STILL RELENTLESSLY mock him just because he looked and talked funny
>>151588624I got them when I was young, but I was also a smart child.
>>151600187We need to be original and start mocking someone else from the same time. Who are we picking, boys?
>>151599987Who gives a shit
>>151590321Groucho Marx and company were more cartoon friendly icons that could get adapted. Them being in cartoons as a kid got me knowing who they were.
>>151589475Yeah, I've gotta say that this thread makes me feel old as fuck.
>>151594766Didnt the hachacha meme became popular a year ago?
>>151600546Kind of, it became popular but in relation to Mortimer Mouse, who did it as a Durante impression. So it's not Durante that became popular again, but a cartoon that did a vocal reference to him. You can tell since the meme version didn't say it with the same cadence- "hot cha cha" instead of how Durante seemed to go faster and a bit more "ha cha CHA cha chaaaaaa"
>>151600300Donald Trump
>>151602565I meant who do we mock that was alive and about the same age as Peter Lorre, what other actor was around there
>>151588624Kinda unrelated but i was always confused on why this teacher from Tiny Toons was just Edna May Oliver and i always thought they were retarded and didn't know she was a real person
>>151599046The only one whee he played an actual mad scientist was Mad Love.
>>151601402Ironically, I know the latter version more thanks to Sealab 2021.
DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT
>>151599028The entire episode was some of Phil Hartman's best work. Fuck Andy Dick may he never know peace
>>151600392Huh, funny that they gave Harpo a red wig there when he was wearing the blonde one at the time.>>151593839Same here, I was practically raised on Marx Bros and Laurel and Hardy. To this day, Sons of the Desert and Monkey Business are some of the funniest movies I've seen.
>>151599046He never did any real horror movies unless you count M where he's a child murderer who gets strung up by an angry mob.
>>151602565>How do we tell em that people have been making fun of ol Donny way before he was president
>>151605159>How do we tell him the mocking was because everyone was friends with him and they all went to the same parties and rubbed shoulders
Those WWII references in cartoons they kept playing that didn't have Nazis or Japanese caricatures>Victory gardens>Fuel ration cards>Is this trip REALLY necessary?>A gift or bribe of white wall tires>TURN OUT THOSE LIGHTS!!!
>>151606350Considering the parties Donny went to that's not as much as a win as you think it is
>>151605159
When I watched all the Bugs Bunny shows on Cartoon Network in 1992-1995 (via satellite, not a britcuck lol), it had TNT (later TCM) following up every night from 7PM, which made me somewhat familiar with old movies. So things like Humphrey Bogart or Peter Lorre or the Three Stooges making cameos was something I could understand at an early age. Even if I didn't watch old movies, I could make as far as the "tonights lineup" part on TNT, where they would tell you what movies with which actors will follow, and that was enough to become familiar with the fact that those scenes are, in fact, cameos of actors from CLASSIC movies.And when I actually bothered to watch TNT I got to see stuff like Forbidden Planet (Leslie Nilsen when he was still young! I could barely recognize him!) or Treasure of Sierra Madre or Maltese Falcon. I wish for those years so much, there were so many GREAT movies I missed out on simply because I didn't want to watch something that wasn't a cartoon. They were so much ahead of modern garbage. The actors could ACTUALLY ACT in those, and didn't rely on gaudy special effects or the screen vomiting CGI at you for two hours straight. Imagine that!fuck, I feel like watching some old movie again just for the sake of it. Even some 90s movie would feel refreshing today.
>>151606583>its a big club and you're not in itAll the anger is because Donnie challenged the establishment and now its all but impossible to get the sheep, i mean citizen, to put their blinders back on. If he'd just push Monkey Boys agenda more, no matter how much worse things got for the regular person theyd be fine with it because people werent allowed to question the Monkey in Chief for eight years
>>151595190And also with a dash of Hogan's Heroes.
>>151605122He was in The Beast With Five Fingers, the aforementioned Mad Love, 2 of Corman's Poe cycle late in his career.and several other horror comedies.
>>151593839Same boat, different stream. The Marx Brothers weren't really in heavy rotation around here but otherwise local TV was essentially what Turner Classic is now. When I was watching cartoons my mom would comment on some of the references and explain them Or I'd ask her about them.>>151604989TIME...MARCHES ON
>>151589555Hungarian actor that became full hollywood when he ran from Nazis in the 40s like other foreign actors at the time.
>>151607347>And also with a dash of Hogan's Heroes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zObiglKZKZchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UnB-9tIZAoThe Recess theme is basically a recreation of the one from hogan's Heroes.
>>151595151>From Chiman-A to ChimpanzeeGood God that was a great episode.
>>151602815Pretty much every single notable actor and comedian from the 1930s has been parodied about 20 times over. There is no one left to use at this point.
>>151594766Jimmy Durante also voiced a lot of his own parodies too. He voiced a lot of big nosed characters in MGM cartoons for a while.
>>151605159Bloom County was making fun of him every week for a few years back in the 80s.
>>151608639Even modern stuff parodied Jimmy.
>>151602815Chuck Jones subbed in a diminutive Boris Karloff parody in the semi-remake of Hare-Raising Hare, Water Water Every Hare.
>>151594886this will be simpsons in 2013>had to wait 2 minutes and solve the damn da vinci code to post thiscan't wait for this website to die
>>151606790Go watch Citizen Kane, it's always a good time to watch Citizen Kane
>>151608617Ok, in that case. Who's our modern equivalent? What actor going on right now can we start mocking relentlessly like Lorre
>>151609623Seth Rogan and his retard laugh
>>151588624That "Weird Al" guy, I didn't know he was a real person despite the fact that he keeps showing up in Murrican cartoons, I found out he was real when he showed up in the extras of the "Ren & Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon" DVD sucking John K's dick and talking about how great he is, most American celebrities are well known worldwide, but Weird Al is a nobody outside America for some reason so I always assumed he was a fictional character
>>151590321They were more common in black and white cartoons
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>>151608961That scientist had no name in the original show, but I noticed that the shitty "Acme Arsenal" videgame gave him a name "Dr Frankenbeans", the HBO MAX Looney Tunes Cartoons' shorts would later use that same name for him as well
>>151590321Hey! I remember these three from feudal Japan!
>>151610202Yeah well his whole career is built on parodying popular songs usually via puns and wordplay and the few that aren't are usually just absurd stories told to goofy rhythm. If you're ESL or the songs never caught on in your country then there's no real appeal to most his music. Like if Ridn' Dirty never caught on in your country and you don't know White and Nerdy rhymes, then the song means nothing to you.
>>151610202Funny he would shill a pedo's work when he made a big deal over never parodying Michael Jackson ever again because he was a pedo >>151610434In the color remake they made Moe blonde for some reason
>>151611163>Funny he would shill a pedo's work when he made a big deal over never parodying Michael Jackson ever again because he was a pedoI guess he should have used his power of prescience to see John K's allegations that weren't public yet.
>>151608671Do you have an actual modern example or just that one from 20 years ago
>>151589555This whole album is about his life and films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3dQC5MFo8k
>>151609604Genuine cinematic masterpiece. It's also the most boring fucking film I've ever seen, granted I was a retarded teenager at the time so I might appreciate it more now
>>151588624All the Star Trek references in Family Guy, and to a lesser extent South Park
>>151606790Behold the spherical consoomer in a vacuum. It never occurs to you to broaden your fucking horizons and read a goddamn book? Philistine.
Looney Tunes especially loved referencing radio programs of the day; one that showed up often was The Aldrich Family, which I only learned about from my grandmother telling me about the radio shows she listened to growing up.Wikipedia:>In the radio series' opening exchange, awkward teen Henry's mother called, "Hen-ry-y-y-y! Hen-ry Al-drich!", and he responded with a breaking adolescent voice, "Com-ing, Mother!"
>>151611879He hanged out with John and recorded the commentary in his house, David Feiss was also there but he was drunk out of his mind so he probably didn't know about John being a pedo
>>151599028When did the simpsons stop having good writers?https://youtu.be/BTx-9X3Kr34?si=rTbHHQUu5dKfRLGg
>>151612533lol John’s haters think homes have pedo dust in them now, that you can smell or taste>>151610202>>151611163John and Weird Al obviously have very similar sensibilities but of course you need to have a personality to tell
>>151612546Season 18 when the show went to being as dull as dish water.Even the show itself knows it should've died 10 years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYiAJe2DYwU
>>151612695>lol John’s haters think homes have pedo dust in them now, that you can smell or tasteJust said semen next time
>>151610713Did they err?
>>151612020I think it's a lot more engaging than people give it credit, but there IS a reason why Welles just shoved a screeching bird about ten minutes before the ending to make sure everyone was awake in time for the finale
>>151610675From working with IPs like this, two possibilities:- The Acme Arsenal didn't give him a name, it was an internal documentation name and both the HBO cartoon and the game were referring to it- The cartoon genuinely got the name from the game, it happens way too much with old IPs like this that whatever appears in a google search that some producer makes is what sticks
>not knowing who peter lorre isPlebs.
>>151588624Peter Lorre was a charming guy when you’d see him in interviews or in more light hearted comediesHe should have done romantic comedy instead of casting Cary Grant in every role
>>151588872I remember a couple years back, I first discovered Abbot & Costello and started binging some of their skits. It felt like discovering an abandoned warehouse full of comedy gold.
>>151588624We have the references?
>>151614733They used to air Abbot & Costello on the Comedy Channel up in Canada during the 2000s; I remember being like, 10 and watching Abbot & Costello, and the Honeymooners. I forget the timeslot.
>>151588624This fish was a reference to Werner Herzog in the Harmony Korine movie Julien Donkey Boy
>>151600392these some UGLY mfs
>>151597413hex is sex.
>>151616659Did anyone ever watch Jack Benny? Loved that shit.
It's pretty crazy to me how guys like Ed Wynn, Jerry Colonna, Red Skelton and Jimmy Durante were some of the most iconic and beloved comedians of their time and despite all their accolades they're all but forgotten now.Their fans probably assumed they'd go down in history as all-time greats yet their most enduring legacy seems to be just cartoon parodies.
>>151619251People and things only get remembered and kept in the public's collective memory should they pass a few criteria>It needs to not only stand out, but tap into the cultural zeitgeist. Doing this makes it timeless and universal.>It needs to be easily accessible. Lots of media is not available on cable/streaming/DVD/torrenting. Some stuff is just stuck rotting in archives or has never been digitized, or remains stuck due to legal bullshittery.>Fans need to pass it down from generations to generations. You can't rely on other people to do that for you.
>>151618898Frank Nelson (The original "Eeeeee-YEEEESSSSSS?!" guy) got around quite a lot.
>>151588624The thing is, it didn’t matter if you knew the references from old cartoons. You could understand the gist of the joke regardless. I think a lot of kids media is lacking these days because people are afraid to lampoon references they probably don’t know, but you don’t have to have seen “gone with the wind” to get that a scene is referencing a classic Hollywood love trope, or know Sally Field’s Oscar acceptance speech to understand that the character is poking fun at celebrities basking in the attention after winning an award. Honestly, tons of references from stuff like Venture Bros went over my head initially, but the older I get and more stuff I encounter, the more I can pick out. It didn’t take away from my initial enjoyment, and made it something that I could come back to several times later on.
I had no about Cape Fear and thought the Cape Feare episode of the Simpson's was way more original than it actually was
>>151611972Smiling Friends did a parody of him just last week.
>>151619442That was a mind experiment, he was supposed to be whatever Golden Age comedian that came to mind.
>>151619413>Hell Toupee is literally a rip off of another horror anthology.....called Hell Toupee, they just stole the whole premise. It wasn't even played straight, they just robbed some lesser known tv show.
>>151597413Wait until you find out what this was.
>>151605118Red was probably easier to distinguish from white with technology at the time.
>>151590321Strangely they were the most immediately recongizable to me when I was a kid, because my local drive-in theater would always play three stooges shorts before the movie.
>>151595036>Adult cartoon=the star is an adult >Children's cartoon=the star is a child Meant for adults is stretching it. It was the Code era, it wasn't like there was anything too risque.
>>151619393Technology falls into that paradigm sometimes as well. When I was a kid, cassette tapes were already on the way out, computers weren't using punch cards, and movies were in color. But comedy bits that made fun of cassettes, vinyl, black and white movies, old bands, old computers; stuff I'd never experienced in real life, were still funny.It feels like that's less common nowadays though. People see jokes made about technology from the previous generation and just get confused, like they don't understand that it actually existed or they can't connect to it because it wasn't a personal experience for them.
boomer thread
>>151592953I remember being disappointed by him when I finally watched the original series. After years of making fun of him and exaggerating, he comes across as very composed and serious in the actual work.
>>151612065>and to a lesser extent South ParkReally? There's an early south park that is beat by beat an exact replica of an old star trek episode.
>>151588624What are the chances?
>>151589282This man was a cartoon character in real life.
>>151620190He's deliberately modeled after Durante's caricature in Frosty The Snowman, enough that I recognized it immediately.
>>151623564>Goes nonverbal and stares at the floor
I've always wondered who if anybody the mad scientist from Hot Cross Bunny with the brain transfer bit was supposed to be. The closest I've been able to find is J. Carrol Naish's character from The Monster Maker. Same goatee, same tunic, same accent, but no mind swap, just injecting people with acromegalia.That seems a little obscure though. Could be just a generic euro doctor or somebody from a medical drama I haven't seen.
>>151588634The show was so thurough about making him a self contained character with his own trackable continuity, I don't blame anyone for assuming he was an invention for the show.
>>151612764Most certainly.
Another one from WB I've never been able to figure out. Can't even find a picture of him. A fat bear in a vest and bowler hat with a jolly laugh. Kind of looks and sounds like Alan Hale but I'm not sure.
My friend has such a hard time picking up on references like this. We watched Cliffhanger not too long ago and very recently watched Ace Ventura 2, which opens with a clear parody of Cliffhanger. He didn't believe me until the final shot of the bit.I imagine the reason references are dying off are because of people like this. They're just bad at making the connection. I think comedy in general is dying because people are afraid to laugh at the wrong thing. Saw Beau is Afraid with the same friend and I was the first one to start laughing in a packed theater, really warmed the audience up and they started understanding more and more of the jokes. Similar experience with The Monkey from earlier this year. It feels like if there isn't a clear "laugh now" cue people just don't know what they're looking at. There also isn't pop culture big enough anymore to reference easily. Though I sometimes wonder if something like "Peter Lorre" was actually famous enough to be putting into Looney Tunes, or if him being put in Looney Tunes made him more recognizable. In which case NOT referencing things is in part what's killing pop culture.Anyway, to answer OP, the heat wave episode of Hey Arnold clicking into place after I saw Do The Right Thing was a real "aha!" moment for me
>>151624616There's a Godzilla reference in Jurassic Park: The Lost World I was literally the only one in the theater who laughed at it.The most you usually see nowdays are episode title puns and I'm sure most of those go over kid's heads.
>>151605159Speaking of Trump. recently looking at 2 stupid dogs and I think the Casino owner in the Vegas Buffet Episode might have been a Trump parody?Mr. Hollywood's hair is always different for every role he plays but a rich guy with hair like this feels Trump inspired.
>Nixon... le badWhy did 90s cartoons do this?
>>151624616>I imagine the reason references are dying off are because of people like this. They're just bad at making the connection.It's probably why so many references nowadays are the same fucking things repeated ad nauseum or just the most ham handed unsubtle shit
>>151619251I'm sure there were famous actors in Greece and Rome in their day. But we don't know many of 'em.
>>151625544>Was Michael Jackson really that famous DERP
>>151619307>It needs to not only stand out, but tap into the cultural zeitgeist. Doing this makes it timeless and universal.Nope, Lil Abner and the Shmoo is proof of the contrary. Shmoo in particular was basically the Minions of the mid 20th century, all but forgotten now. It even had a crossover show with the Flintstones, and yet nobody remembers it while the Flintstones themselves persevered. It's really those latter two points that do most of the heavy lifting.
>>151588624They're still putting this guy in stuff. I hate seeing him. Spongebob did it too. Why do people suck this dead guy off so much?
>>151625980Yeah, but that was like two civilizations ago.Those comedians became obscure in a matter of decades, they were overlooked in a single generation.
>>151626843If you saw his live action work you will know why.
>>151626843Because whole generations grew up on reruns of those same theatrical shorts, and so it's a reference people still recognize. By contrast, Don Knotts was in a bunch of Hanna-Barbera stuff, even as late as Johnny Bravo. But those didn't last as long in reruns and he's now mostly remembered by people old enough to care about reruns of Andy Griffith.
>>151619307That's why we need more people infiltrating those hush hush don't ask for an invite tranny sites like MySpleen and it's clones and had that shit leaked to regular torrents, someone NEEDS to make the /co/ version of Nyaa.
>>151624616>I imagine the reason references are dying off are because of people like this.Hell no. If anything, there are more and more references now, because it's the only form of "clever writing" zoomers are capable of.
>>151622089Which one?
>>151625544He was a nobody who made a secret handshake and became president.He didn't like the creepy stuff that comes with the job.He became paranoid after the creeps repeatedly tried to enslave him.These cartoonists see the farce from the other side.
>>151625544He was considered the nadir of then modern Presidents.
>>151588624I thought that this shot from Space Jam was referencing Men in Black instead of Pulp Fiction.
>>151605159Way back before Trump considered show business or politics and was just known as a real estate tycoon, he was lampooned on Sesame Street as Ronald Grump, the grouch with the world's biggest trash collection. Rather on the nose, that.
>>151628425MiB it's from 97, a year after Space jam
>>151625544Nixon just has bad physiognomy. It's pretty much the entire reason he's so widely hated despite his excellent Presidency while Kennedy, an objectively horrible President and human being, is lionised.
I had never seen Car 54, Where Are You? so the Oo! Oo! guys from this and Help! It's The Hair Bear bunch went completely over my head until fairly recently.
>>151628634I thought about that as I was posting. I think I'd seen previews for MiB or something. This was also watching Space Jam on VHS (I saw it in theaters, but it's such a quick shot that I dunno if it even registered the first time).
>>151628749>despite his excellent PresidencyHe doesn't get enough credit for a lot of the good he did (cynically), but the bad more than outweighs it.
>>151628762It's crazy to think how far back copaganda goes.
>>151625544It didn't stop there, Rodan is nothing but kaiju Richard Nixon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XAIuWrvD8
>>151608671But what is this a reference to specifically
>>151626117Anon, this was like 2½ decades after he left office. It'll be like if people still obsess over Trump in 2052.
>>151629227People still correctly blame (or thank)(no, blame was right) Reagan for his crap.
>>151629443Yeah, but you don't see current media filled with Reagan parodies.
>>151588634>Chick Mangione?! I'm not a chick, I'm a dude!>THUNK
>>151611972>PPG movie was 20 years ago
>>151590321>>151610379>>151610404>>151610434
I never saw the Goodfellas as a kid and still haven't.Goodfeathers is still funny because lol mafia pigeons.
This comes of being raised by parents who had a lot of very old records, but when I saw this cartoon I knew who all four of these guys were but didn't know what Al Jolson meant when he said Elmer Fudd was a "big Vaudeville star." What's Vaudeville, Mom and Dad?If I ever have kids they will not have so much ancient cultural literacy and they will be better off for it.
>>151588624>enters the thread
>>151630763There's a radio broadcast of Sinatra in the '40s singing a special version of "No Business Like Show Business" written for him by Johnny Mercer (maybe the best lyricist in the business at the time, not that it matters) where one verse manages to incorporate two stock cartoon jokes I never understood as a kid:> If you mention certain jokes, your act is great,> Like Crosby's horses are always late,> Or a certain crooner who is underweight,> Let's go on with the shoooowwww!
>>151630763Looking back, the implication is pretty crazy.
>>151588624Growing up, I didn't realize how many Futurama plots were references to Star Trek TOS, more obvious references notwithstanding. Like the Femputer in Amazon Women in the Mood being a parody of Landru from Return of the Archons, or the ambient background noises on some ships. Watching TOS a few years back was a revelation. That and watching older sci-fi films to cover the other obscure references.
>>151624616>the heat wave episode of Hey Arnold clicking into place after I saw Do The Right Thing was a real "aha!" moment for meContext?
>>151630763https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5xEgoAaM0Frankie the skinny heartthrob.
>>151625544Anyone who plops America out of the gold standard is "le bad"
>>151622089Dagger of the Mind, season 1 episode 10
>>151588624it's weird how we just ACCEPTED that shit as kids"i don't know who this is, and there's nothing I can do about that, so.." like flies on a starving african kid's eyeballs.
>>151589475There's a current celebrity I wish more people understood was fictional and just a parody
>>151628749which is weird to me, because kennedy was WAY uglier to me. he had a face like a leathered ham. Nixon just looked like a dumpy regular guy.>>151625544The weird fucking thing is, we have no idea what he did. we just know he lied about it, which is a crime.. and it was PRESUMABLY a crime.. because he lied to cover it.The general thinking is he cheated on the election, but to all analysis, he was going to win by a landslide anyway, so it's like wtf happened. I'm surprised there's not more conspiracy shit about it, like he was covering up for aliens or something.
the audience need not be entitled to a joke. don't be afraid of referencing something people might not understand.
Anything else?
>>151588624All the buff guys with funny accents are based on Arnold Schwarzenegger.
>>151630763Sinatra hated these gags and apparently asked the mafia to "take care of" the next animator that did it
>>151588624Dr. Hibbert
>>151625544We'll still get Trump bad jokes until 2050 at least. Buckle up for more shitty political jokes, woo woo.
>>151635642Bu 2050 they wouldn't be any more democrats since they will be black listed from politics, it be 100% republican ran so no one can shit on Trump.Trump made normies wake up about how evil the democratic party is as by 2050 there will only 1 party, and thats the republican party.
>>151630812Bing Crosby, typically riffed on for his orange juice commercials and beating on his son Gary.
>>151629464There were plenty in the mid-2000s. Maybe cut short a bit when he died.
>>151629948>20 years since popping a confused preteen boner at Mojo Jojo's muscle growth/macro growth scene.
>>151635642>We'll still get Trump bad jokes until 2050 at least. Buckle up for more shitty political jokes, woo woo.Only if whoever comes after him continues his work. If instead we get another Biden level clown, there won't be any political jokes made whatsoever.
>>151636722Could you post any? Because I genuinely don't remember anyone.
>>151588624I didn't know who Mr. Anthony was
>>151636663And his slow horses
>>151621134It'll happen to you
>>151633159A lot of it boils down to the fact that the art of caricatures is that they simply emphasize or exaggerate what's already funny about a person. And what's funny about those people is what made then iconic to begin with. Point being, you don't need to get the joke to know it's funny.
>>151634800Because every guy hated Sinatra. He was basically the Justine Bibber of that time.
>>151637786Except Sinatra had talent, Justine Bibber didn't.
>>151625544Because Nixon was in fact bad, and everyone who makes cartoons are liberals and knew this. He was considered shockingly morally bankrupt for a US President (though Trump has outdone him in every conceivable way and makes him look tame by comparison) and he was just known to be an easily mockable asshole and a posterboy for everything wrong with power in America
>>151638078100% fake, Nixon got brought up as much as he did strictly because of Watergate.
Beyond the obvious example of all the old school musical references, I watched Family Guy before I really knew about World War 2 so I didn't understand this cutawayhttps://youtu.be/1JEY24tPHOk?si=82y3ZSyWAvAHNEtg
>>151638387this joke would be 10x funnier if it just ended after "how could this day get any worse"
>>151638340>strictly because of Watergate.That's covered in the morally bankrupt and asshole parts.
>>151588624This was like seeing Woody Allen referenced in the 80s and 90s.
