Do 70s/80s cartoons not hold up?
>>151600033You just need to tunr your brain off.
The 70s were really terrible. Schoolhouse Rock was fine, so much of everything else was cheap and/or a blatant attempt to copy Scooby Doo. It picked up again in the mid-80s.
mass-produced clones of each other made in korean sweatshops
>>151600033Only the ones people keep bringing up like Scooby Doo or the Flintstones or Schoohouse Rock or something like that.>But their animation was just repeated stuff!Yeah, so? They still had actually funny dialogue or occasionally clever writing to make people remember them, even if it's just the best parts. People keep thinking Scooby Doo had a over a hundred episodes or some nonsense, when it was just 41, because they looked and felt different and unique. Outside of movies, they didn't have good animation, so they had to figure out other ways to stick around. For a TINY few of literally hundreds, they succeeded. The rest were like Gillgans Planet.
>>151600104I'll always defend 60's Hanna Barbera for at least making things in house and making the most out of their tiny budgets. 70s is when things got ugly.
>>151600033Compared to what? Modern cartoons? lol. I'll take Jabberjaw over anything Cartoon Network has aired in the past 15 years.
70s:>fat Albert >bakshi slop>worst peanuts specials 80s:>everything based on toy lines>needlessly edgy shit like plague dogs>nuclear war propaganda
The 70s and 80s are two different decades you know.
>>151600144Nice contrarianism.
Yes, HB shows were terrible. Is that meant to be a big truth bomb in 2025?
>>151600157Millennials can't do anything well.
>>151600158You missed the point entirely.
>>151600149>>bakshi slopFaggot>>everything based on toy linesFiltered>>needlessly edgy shit like plague dogsDouble faggot>>nuclear war propagandaRetard.
>>151600133Scooby Doo Where Are you is a late 60s cartoon. They ran it into the ground in the 70s with the New Scooby-Doo Movies, The Scooby Doo Show, and Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo. Gimmicky celebrity of the week followed by boredom followed by obnoxious boredom.
>>151600178Coep and seethe, faggot.
Most things don't hold up, only the truly great tend to hold up and even then they're exceedingly rare.And that's not to say they're bad, simply that they're removed from sensibilities so far removed from them.Like I was absolutely in love with Chowder and Billy and Mandy when I was younger, I cannot get through Chowder today and Billy and Mandy doesn't hit as hard. Both because I'm a middle aged man and because what was novel 20 years ago isn't novel today.
>consumer product is of low quality>was it always this bad?>mfw
>>151600157>>151600235Fucking tranny faggot. Stop polluting the board, troongolian.
>>151600341>Trannies out of nowhere.Is there something you want to tell us?
>>151600341Nice projection.
>>15160013560s Hanna Barbera had animators from the Golden Age like people who worked with Joe and Bill on Tom & Jerry, Some still stayed but were forced to draw on model during the 70s-80s
>>151600341It's AdventureTranny. Trooning out is his thing.
>>151600358>>151600368 is literally a tranny who self-inserts as flame princess. He's constantly leaving his shitty low-effort replies all over the board like a spic throwing his garbage all over the neighborhood. He replies with his shit to any post that says, or implies something negative about beanmouth shows, especially adventure time.
>>151600395He's like an extremely boring barneyfag
>>151600408he looks cute in orange tho
>>151600416This needs to be updated to give him a flame princess or huntress wizard outfit. He only wants to fuck finn, not be him.
>>151600397>>>151600368 is literally a tranny who self-inserts as flame princessPLEASE give me the qrd that sounds fucking hilarious
>>151600235Arrest yourself and go to bed sperg.>>151600368Nice deflection.
>>151600429They took his drag away from him when he was incarcerated. But they let him keep the condom costume.
>>151600395>>151600397>>151600408>>151600416>>151600429>>151600433You are obsessed with trannies.
>>151600444You are going to jail for advanced faggotry.
>>151600444I wish he'd go the full mile and cosplay as flame princess by setting himself on fire. What a way to join the 41%
>>151600433I just relate to her despite hating her, now fuck off.
>>151600459Congratulations, AdventureTranny. You managed to submit a post without a single rage-induced typo. Good for you!
>>151600463Cry about it, faggot.
>>151600433I basically said it all. He's autistic and gets mad when imaginary rules in his head are violated.
>>151600484Why are you gay sperg
>>151600480>You managed to submit a post without a single rage-induced typoI never do, in fact. And btw, you started it by being a spamming cunt so I can insult how much I want.
>>151600433He admitted that he self-inserts as flame princess from adventure time. And he always posts about hating her or something.
>>151600491I just dislike your faggotry.
>>151600033That's the real takeaway here. Not some method to use nostalgia to help you make better cartoons, no, just bash the 70s.
>>151600033Most cartoons don’t hold up without nostalgia>>151600135Their model is still ideal for indie today if done well
>>151600495But rage-induced typos are your trademark. That, and wanting to fuck children.
>>151600502Good, because I like to do it.
>>151600505Yeah whatever troonito. I'm gonna leave cause I don't want to derail a thread about actual cartoons
>>151600514>But rage-induced typos are your trademarkNope>That, and wanting to fuck children.But that's your father, and btw drawings aren't real life
AdventureTranny, you will never be a woman.
>>151600520>I don't want to derail a thread about actual cartoonsYou already did fag, since Adventure Time is one.
>>151600033I had actually recently downloaded HKP and it was bad.I have higher hopes for Underdog.
>>151600508>Most cartoons don’t hold up without nostalgiaI'd say no
>>151600502I've never been in an Adventure Time thread since I don't watch modern cartoons, but this behavior you describe is interesting. I knew about his desire to fuck children and to become a woman but the weird fixation on hating women is new. I assume he hates women because he's jealous since he can't be one.
>>151600532You derserve that name since you want trannies o much in Adventure Time.
>>151600033it's pretty well known that pretty much scooby doo is the only thing that holds up from the 70'sthe 80's toy commercial shows aren't great but still much much better than 70's fare and actually fairly watchable
As far as the 80’s goes, I’ll probably separate most of the stuff from 1986-89 since they blend in more with the 90’s and early-2000’s.
>>151600554>I knew about his desire to fuck children and to become a womanThat's you>I assume he hates women because he's jealous since he can't be one.Nice defelction
>I love cartoons so much that I come to the cartoon board every single day, but I FUCKING HATE EVERYTHING ANIMATED IN THE 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s FROM EVERY STUDIO
>>151600033Not a lot. See the 70/80's for toons were a lot like the modern era of cartoons compared to the 2000's. The late 50's and 60's had GREAT toons, Underdog, Top Cat, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Flintstones, even late Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry. THOSE are all ages, clever, artistic classics. But as time went on things got cheaper and what came out was the recessive genes. I can only imagine guys like Craig and Kennedy thought the stuff they were watching was good because they imagined it was like other toons they watched that were. Making false memories and plots in their heads
>>151600554I think he's gay for finn. He doesn't like flame princess since she and finn broke up. Now he like huntress wizard (a confirmed trans character) who's dating finn. He also hates when another character, marceline, is shipped with finn.
>>151600608*Craig and Genndy
>>151600033The whole '70s were shit' argument made more sense before we had over two decades of shit cartoons that were arguably worse than anything the 70s had to offer. As time goes it just becomes more apparent that the 90s were just an anomaly and we're never getting cartoons of that quality ever again.
>>151600619>I think he's gay for finnTrannys usually are attracted to small children. AdventureTranny has already admitted to such.
>>151600619>I think he's gay for finnNo>He doesn't like flame princess since she and finn broke up.Actually, I just hate her for the fact that she dated him>huntress wizard (a confirmed trans character)In your dreams, faggot>He also hates when another character, marceline, is shipped with finn.I just think that's unnecessary and that shipfaggotry is stupid.You even admitted that you don't like Adventure Time so shut your mouth.
>>151600643Nice deflection, faggot.
>>151600647>I just think that's unnecessary and that shipfaggotry is stupid.You don't make a peep when finn x huntress is posted.>You even admitted that you don't like Adventure Time so shut your mouth.I guarantee that in 2010 when I was watching AT you were still in diapers. I haven't really seen any new episodes since around 2015.
>>151600659Pull the string one more time
>>151600636Objectively speaking, every decade has it's gems.
>>151600681>You don't make a peep when finn x huntress is posted.Because that's better, It's just that you want trannies at all cost>I guarantee that in 2010 when I was watching AT you were still in diapers. No, I was in Elementary school (born 2005)
>>151600714Lol.
>>151600033Most don't, but at the same time, it's dismissive to claim that EVERY show from the 70's and 80's was bad. But one thing's for certain is that I watched MeTV Toons more often since its June 2024 launch (a handful of shows, mind you) than I watched CN, Nick, and Disney Channel combined in the past 15 years.Sure, I stopped watching cable 15 years ago, but the fact I would rather watch "30-minute toy commercials," Scooby-Doo clones, and even crappier shows from the 70's and 80's over recent shows like post-lore Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Jellystone, Baby Shark's Big Show, Craig of the Creek, The Fungies, We Bare Bears, and Clarence says a lot about most of the 2010's and 2020's shows and the state of animation overall. The industry seems more bleak nowadays than it was in the 70's and 80's.>>151600135>>151600373I always felt Hanna-Barbera's character designs peaked in the 60's and 70's. Even if some of their shows were meh or horrible, at least the character designs were aesthetically pleasing and fun to watch while somehow mogging the following character designs from recent shows.
>>151600505we dislike your sperggotry
>>151600691Family Guy funny moments
AdventureTranny, since you get so asshurt whenever anons badmouth your shitty zoomer cartoons, why don't you go post on reddit with the rest of the autistic zoomers? People here hate your shitty zoomer beanmouth cartoons so you might as well stop getting assmad every time some anon shits on your dumb tranny cartoons.
>>151600727You are such a smart person! You truly enlightened me with such an insightful and well-thought-out response!
>>151600744Now type it without crying.
>>151600753Keep projecting browntroon, 99% of your posts are literal garbage one word responses that serve no purpose
>>151600762Personally, I like having you around. You've become /co/'s little annoying mascot. Like Snarf. If Snarf were gay and wanted to be a woman.
>>151600763>Keep projecting browntroon, 99% of your posts are literal garbage one word responses that serve no purposeThat's what you do.
>>151600774>If Snarf were gay and wanted to be a woman.Actually, that'd be you
>>151600776>repeating what I sayStop self-inserting as me
>>151600786Snarfette. You're Snarfette.
>>151600788Why I would ever want to be a tranny lover like you?
Can you faggot retards shut the fuck up and talk about cartoons???
>>151600806I'm not finn.
>>151600816You first. And it's not my fault that this board acts like the 2010s were the heckin' worst thing ever.
>>151600847Your childhood was shit
>>151600816This. It's weird seeing this thread get derailed like this, but at least the comments were kinda funny.
>>151600852Nope, in terms of cartoons
Everybody leave this thread alone and migrate to >>151600583
>>151600033Japanese TV shows were way better than whatever the US was producing, because they had a sense of filmic understanding that was inherited from Golden Age Disney and other things. To be honest, this is still true to some extent.
>>151600762Now type it without being gay.>>151600786>>151600776no u
>>151600873Nah, they were terrible. You only like those cartoons because you grew up with them. I grew up with awful 80s cartoons but at least I can admit they were bad. But your terrible cartoons are clearly your coping mechanism for having had an unhappy childhood. And that's fine, but let's not pretend that garbage was any good.
>>151600847I did already, you faggots just flooded the thread with your gay shit.
>>151600904Nope, you are just seething like a fag.
>>151600908Look, i wouldn't even care about this if it wan't personal. Also you had a shit opinion about Fionna.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgJ7Yf_2GuII would've watched this if it got a proper budget.
>>151600936It's not me you have to convince, AdventureTranny. You already know the truth.
Millennials grew up with the best cartoons of all time and went on to make the worst cartoons of all time.
>>151600936Go to bed sperg.
>>151600033They weren't made to hold up. They were made to be watched then forgotten about when the next show started. The whole concept of cartoons lasting for years on end was the furthest thing from anyone's mind. When they made scooby doo they weren't thinking some retarded fuck knuckle autist was gonna make it his object of devotion 40 years later. It was meant to keep you sitting still while they filled commercial air space.
>>151600135it was a rush to the bottom. it resulted in 'steady' work, but paid shit, produced shit, and was rushed to make a package tv schedule sale appealing for syndication.And the ugly truth is that it represents the commoditization of the art/media form. The fact that it was good enough for so long is only proof of how the market valued animation.
>>151600964Because they all grew up playing video games and other dumb distractions instead of doing creative things.
>>151600950>You already know the truth.Yes, you are a little, petty cunt.
>>151600947>you had a shit opinion about Fionna.This is exactly what i was talking about. The little faggot can't handle it when someone disagrees with him. This is what happens when fathers stop hitting their kids. Why would you get so angry when someone insults a cartoon you have no stake in? Because you're a tranny who self-inserts as the characters.
>>151600964>the worst cartoons of all time.Nah, there's way worse.
>>151600992I read this post in the voice of the phone stalker from 'Black Christmas'.
It turns out everything is derivative.Your first exposure to stuff will feel fresh, new and fun and you will scrutinize tiny details less.As you grow older, you become more cynical and jaded seeing repeats and patterns. Those patterns make the world feel smaller and easier to predict. If it's easier to predict it's less exciting. That's adolescence.Adulthood is accepting and enjoying the sight of the patterns, the execution of them, the way it fits together and enjoying the effort and method used to put them together.
>>151600995>The little faggot can't handle it when someone disagrees with him.I just hate shit opinions>This is what happens when fathers stop hitting their kids. You happen>Because you're a tranny who self-inserts as the characters.You are.
>>151601020>I just hate shit opinionsyou must really hate yourself then, lololololololol
>>151601020>no uno u
>>151601009K.
>>151600964I agree with millennials that cartoons from the dexter/johnny/courage era are WAY better than anything from 2005 and onwards. But the problem is that they think the media they consoomed makes them superior. 90s-early 00s cartoons were made by boomers and gen x, soillennials did nothing but sit on their ass and watch them. Millennials are response for tranny trash like HRT bare bears and craig of the gender-affirming clinic
>>151601052It's an R-rated movie, your parents wouldn't let you watch it.
>>151600033>Yet another potential discussion thread ruined because people want to cry about trannies.Mods, do your fucking job.
>>151601041>you must really hate yourself then,No, only you.>>151601071Cope, tard>>151601070>WAY better than anything from 2005
>>151601020You don't have to get your way 24/7. People are allowed to dislike tranny time. It shouldn't personally affect you (unless you self troonsert as a character who is OMG LITERALLY ME)
>>151601070There's always good stuff here and there.
>>151601116>People are allowed to dislike tranny timeYes, nobody likes you.
>>151601103>No, only you.But I like you. Even if I think you suffer from multiple mental illnesses and have terrible taste in cartoons. But I still like you.
>>151601103>blah blah blahArrest >>151600714>of course a zoomer fumbled the jimmies>>151601125neither wil you too.
guys leave this innocent thread alone move to the johnny thread
>>151600874You know what fuck it i am going back to Calarts hating Johnny Bravo
40s > 50s > 90s > 20s-30s > 60s > 80s > 70s > 21st century slop
When people say "millennials can't make anything" look at this thread as an example of what zoomers make.
>>151601135>Even if I think you suffer from multiple mental illnesses and have terrible taste in cartoonsThat's just you projecting
>>151601173Millennials really can't make anything of value, but the zoomers will be much worse. And the generation that follows them will be even worse. And so on.
I guarantee that Hong Kong Phooey holds up better than say, Steven Universe.
>>151601174Hey AdventureTranny, honest question, do you like any actually good cartoons? Or just dumb gay ones like the ones they play on Cartoon Network?
>>151601173This is what zoomers make
>>151601174>still denying the mental illnessThat's just you deflecting
>>151600133>FlintstonesRewatching episodes of this lately on MeTV has really got me to see this show in a new light. I never thought much of it but the writing really impresses. It's fast paced and snappy jokes are impressive. They don't all land but the speed at which they're going means enough will that it doesn't matter as much. Makes up for some of the more weaker physical humor going on.
>>151601173Millennials can't make anything worthwhile but they still make things. Zoomers seem to only be capable of impotent rage, like the only things they create are shitting on people. As soon as they got a notable internet presence all of the memes turned into some variant of "me smart and good, you dumb and bad". They seem constantly angry and miserable and it shines through on their output, just endless recursions of them finding ways to put other people down.
>>151601253I don't blame zoomers one bit for being miserable. I worked retail in the early 00s and I remember working in the toy aisle thinking to myself, "man, the kids of today have nothing, they're all going to grow up to be miserable cunts". And they did!
>>151601244Yeah, Flintstones holds up great, especially the early seasons.
>>151601014You're just too old and jaded to appreciate what the kids are watching these days
>>151601214Cry about me, faggot
>>151601290Well, do you? What are your top 5 favorite shows that were released before you were born?
>>151601253Gen Z got dealt a lot of shit that was beyond their control but after a certain point it just became self-reinforcing and it's basically killed their generation's ability to express itself. The entire cringe culture era mindfucked them during the most important developmental stages of their lives. I honestly hope they get better some day.
>>151600033You'd rather watch nothing than this crap
Just make the rose tinted version of the shows you grew up with that only exists in your imagination, and you'll make something great
>>151601315I think more than any shit they got dealt, it's just the effects of growing up with the modern internet and social media for most of your life. Obviously I'm stereotyping and this isn't universal, but Gen Z seems both overly judgmental and deathly afraid of being labeled "cringe."Then again, my opinion is mostly from the internet which is mostly fake, so good chance I'm just full of shit.
>>151601290Why are you gay, sperg.
>>151601315>>151601390Like you already mentioned the "cringe culture era" so mostly I'm just backing up on that part based on my experiences.
>>151601277For sure. Even some of the later stuff that is more out there still has some good jokes among the nonsense. It's genuinely impressive and makes me realize how this series managed to last as long as it did. Shame this is a pretty shit thread but I'm glad to have a moment to mention how impressed I am going back to some of these older shows.
>>151601390Internet culture is toxic and has a detrimental effect on people's psyche. I've even seen people my age who didn't have the internet as kids get brainwashed into a vicious cycle of constant cynicism and negativity. I can't imagine what it does to people born 20-30 years later who were born into it.
>>151601476It's not the internet's fault, 15 years ago they were telling everyone to express themselves and be weird. Now they're telling everyone that "weird" people are all just secretly angry because they're too ugly to have sex.
>>151600033If you don't have nostalgia for them, many of them don't hold up at all.
>>151601584I imagine that's true of most media created for children.
>>151601476>I've even seen people my age who didn't have the internet as kids get brainwashed into a vicious cycle of constant cynicism and negativity.Yeah I've noticed that too. Or people who had the internet and didn't use it much until it was ubiquitous. It's like they're just not prepared for it and fall down some bad rabbit hole or another. It's not just kids, all age groups are getting their heads messed up by it, though not always in the same ways. Like look at the stuff boomers share on Facebook, most of them just weren't prepared for the internet.I was lucky not getting the internet until I already had most of my childhood, and then spending endless hours lurking, posting, and exploring the internet starting since the late 90s/early 2000s. That was a waste of time in many ways, but being immersed in it while also knowing life outside the internet gives you the perspective to handle all the BS you encounter.
>>151601671Only the “placeholders”.
>>151601676Truth. I credit not growing up with the internet with the fact that I've never had depression or suicidal thoughts before. No matter how shit things might be now, shit was really fucking good before all the entropy. It makes it easy to slide back into that mindset and detach yourself from the online/social media nonsense.
>>151600149>everything based on toy lines>needlessly edgy shit like plague dogs>nuclear war propaganda
im just glad that i was born in 2003 and had the privelege of growing up watching gmod tf2 animations and minecraft machinimas in the early 2010sironic how the best period to be watching youtube as a kid was when nobody was directly aiming at kids as an audience
>>151600033Maybe not for you, I have a steady diet of MeTV Toons and I enjoy just about all of it.
>>151602590I was born way back in 1988, but I agree early YouTube was amazing. Good times.
>>151601671yeah, almost everything I watched as a kid was dogshit. Fucking 100 deeds for eddie mcdowd, I watched one ep, was just trash.
>>15160003370s stuff is pretty rough, yeah. Considering it's basically all Hanna Barbera there is so much sloppy rushed out ripoff shit of Scooby-Doo. 80s stuff is a mixed bag. Some shows are impressive and some are just ass rushed out to coincide with a toy line
>>151600033No, it's a psyop because they don't think you can watch them anymore. I just watched Yogi Bear's All-Star Christmas Special yesterday and it was good.
>>151600033>make the subversive, weird and adult oriented cartoon we want as adults but dress them up as "for kids">kids stop watching great idea!
>>151600149Superfriends was from the 70's, countless from the 80's
>>151603202But Craig McCracken and Genndy are talking there about making Dexter's Lab, which kids loved watching.
>>151600728>The industry seems more bleak nowadays than it was in the 70's and 80's.What gets me is while original HB did suffer from the samey, cookie-cutter formula, at least it was limited to one production studio. Meanwhile, as evidenced by Darwin from World of Gumball in your pic related, even production team stationed in Europe defaulted to CalArts beanmouth slop and meta-ironic writing despite having no connection to US-based teams.
70s is the worst era. do epople really think that is better than now
>>151600033I think Roger Ramjet and Rocky and Bullwinkle hold up but those aren't 70s/80s cartoons.
>>151600033The only Hong Kong Phooey episode I actually remember is the one where he gets arrested at the start and has to be saved by a buch of cowboys that never appear outside that episode
>>151603582The only thing I remember is their formula of: >A dumb normie who fails at every endeavour is actually an undercover superhero... >...except said undercover superhero is also a dumb normie who fails at every endeavour >His success record relies entirely on an ordinary cat doing all the heavylifting At least inch-high private eye managed to actually do shit.
>>151600149>>needlessly edgy shit like plague dogsUseless Slander! It wasn't even that edgy, the number of important figures that die can be count on one hand and that's if you count the open ended ending as a bad one and ignore the books one.
>>151603582I don't remember it much either, but Hong Kong Phooey gets a lot of goodwill from me for having such a fun theme song.
>>151601476>>151601563>>151601676>>151601759The think the real dividing factor is whether or not your primary exposure to the internet occurred during the era in which people were actively told to compartmentalize their real life from their online presence.
>>151603941Yeah that's a good point. When I first came online, rule number 1 was "don't ever give out your real name or location." That went out the window completely. That and the internet felt like a separate "place" you'd visit, not your real world/life.
>>151603835Yeah it's more just really fucking sad than edgy. Fritz the Cat is needlessly edgy
>>151601215That fuckers creepy smile you can tell it's disengenious because it doesn't reach his eyes. Wouldn't be so bad if he didn't do it so wide.
>>151600149>everything based on toy lines>needlessly edgy shit like plague dogs>nuclear war propagandaSoul
>>151600149All of which highly satanic
>>151600033They are fucking awful by and large. Limited cheap animation, banal writing, terrible voice acting. Everyone knows '70s HB cartoons were dogshit but the '80s action cartoons are also abysmal. Thundercats, GI Joe, He-Man, they're all garbage.
'80s action cartoons fooled people into thinking that they didn't suck because they had cool intros animated in Japan and generally competent character designs. But watching the shows is a chore because they're all dull, they're action cartoons with no/bad action. The only one that holds up is TMNT and that's mostly because it's as much a comedy as it is an action show and it can at least hit that part.
>>151600728>Even if some of their shows were meh or horrible, at least the character designs were aesthetically pleasing and fun to watch while somehow mogging the following character designs from recent shows.Iwao Takamoto is a god of character design. The animation and premises of the shows might have sucked but he would at least give you memorable looking characters.
>>151604401That existed well into the 90s as well.
>>151600567I think the more comedic and/or slice of life '80s cartoons that don't need to focus as much on action hold up reasonably well. Especially once you start getting into the latter half of the decade and get stuff like the Disney shows, Garfield & Friends, Beetlejuice and the like.But the shows that people tend to most remember or focus on are the toy-driven action shows and those are almost universally shit, including most of the big ones. TMNT is one of the few toy cartoons from that era that is fine because it's more of a comedy so the lack of decent action isn't as much of a hindrance. The video game adaptations suck too. Anything heaviy tied to merchandising from that era is largely bad.The '90s up through the mid-2000s mogs the hell out of the '70s and '80s.
>>151603529Rocky and Bullwinkle holds up because it's pretty much just a radio show with crude animation so it's based around rapidfire snappy jokes and wordplay.
>>151604353Stfu
>>151603460These faggots think hating modern cartoons make them cool. Many 2010s cartoons are far more rewatchable than 90% of the stuff made before the 90s.
>>151603460>70s is the worst era. do epople really think that is better than nowYogi's Gang > Steven Universe
>>151600033That was some real ass slop they were shitting out back then.
>>151605825Agreed. Much preferred to the fake ass slop we have now.
Anyway, this doesn't seem half-bad despite being from the 70s; I heard that it was very dark for its time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCdrcEhTJA [embed]
>>151600728>The industry seems more bleak nowadays than it was in the 70's and 80's.I’m not denying the fact that we’re currently experiencing a shit period for animation and basically a second animation dark age, but the 70’s-80’s seemed like a far worse time for the industry, characters were so stiff and on-model that people literally had to trace their model sheets. The issue nowadays is that we’re experiencing the afterglow of the creator-driven animation renaissance of the 90’s, the term "creator-driven" feels pretty loose these days as cartoons nowadays are heavily controlled by executives and are forced look cheap by them, not to mention how oversanitized they are.
>>151600947I didn't even comment on Flonna retard who even is that? I said Hong Kong Phooey is worse than I remember you FUCKING SPERG.
>>151600033Genndy is a pretentious fag, he thinks he makes art when he makes slop.
>>151605976Tbf, Fionna has the sag but you implying an on-model Home Movies character might be hot makes your point moot.https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/151295731/#151317517
>>151606011But enough about Sugar, Hirsch, Terrace, and Braly.
>>151600033Hong Kong Phooey fucking rocks though.
>>151606043Them too if you want, but Genndy is the king of pretentious,
>>151606104>but Genndy is the king of pretentious,Sorry if you got filtered by genuine talent, faggot.
>>151606011Picrel mogs whatever tumblrshit you like.
>>151606137Hong Kong Phooey is better.
>>151600608>The late 50's and 60's had GREAT toonsDon't forget about Roger Ramjethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8mz1jJDhM0
>>151600033we could've gotten a Hong Kong Phooey live-action/animated movie with Eddie Murphy as the VA
>>151606139Disingenuous.
>>151600104So just the 2010s except less gay?
>>151606173No.
>>151600033be more specificyou can't group every single cartoon made in a two-decade period together, there was a lot of great animation produced during that time
>>151606187Pretty much. 2010s are about the same as the 70s quality wise, only the 70s weren't shoving gay agenda nonsense down your throat. 2020s are lower than 70s however...
>>151600033it's common sense that when you get older you get salty and your senses of what is fun gets duller, that's why no one older than 30 should be allowed to be an animator or make cartoons in general, because at that age it's just the job you hate going to every day and it reflects in your cartoons. when you see those guys being like "oh, kids just don't like cartoons anymore" it's a call for help, it's just a "shot me, I'm ready to die" way of telling people that they no longer find joy in what they do.
>>151604353Go back /pol/ pablo
>>151606269Anon, kids want anime and guess what, anime is written by people over 30
>>151606478japanese are souless bugs, they don't count as people or age the same as us human beings. why do you think the non-suicidal ones live to almost 130 years old?
>>151606556Not eating McDonald's every day helps
>>151606556Because they didn't have proper birth documentation, which led to them adopting estimated or assumed ages when they were required to register their age?
>>151600198Yeah, a big part of why Scrappy was created was because things had gotten stale and they needed to shake the formula up. And it worked for a while: his introduction boosted ratings enough to save the series, and the franchise might very well have died with a whimper without him.
>>151606792there's old photos of them but it really could be anyone
>>151606728Shivery Mizuki had one arm and loved McDonald’s fries and lived to 93.
>>151606835McDinalds, much like all food, in Japan is much better and healthier than the USA.
>>15160683593 is rookie years for japs, you literally retire at 90
>>151606859>burger :/>burger japan :O
The 70s at least Stateside sucked for toons. The original guard of the Golden Age each had one foot in the grave, Disney lost all credibility after Walt's death, Termite Terrace doors were closed and WB was nothing but Dirty Harry. HB was nothing but Scooby-Doo clones and Superfriends. Meanwhile Europe and Japan were out there experimenting. For Tatsunoko Productions' old anime looked like H-B's action tools from the previous decade before evolving to become its own thing
>>151606986Japan mogs America since the 70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyRoF689VRE
The only people who liked 70s cartoon were people who were born in the 60s. Kind of like how the only people who like 2010s cartoons were people who were born in the 00s.
>>151604401The JMS seasons of Real Ghostbusters were also good.
>>151605937I wouldn't say it's just animation in general, but all forms of media are extremely bleak right now. TV, cartoons, movies, anime, video games, etc. Everything is just fucking shit, and not even in a cynical way. It just is.
>>151607171Various factors include: E/I mandates from the 90s killing toons on weekdays and Saturdays. 9/11 fucking up action cartoons, the writers' strikes, overreliance on bargain bin anime, the internet, video games, etc....
>>151607299>9/11 fucking up action cartoonsThis was a blip overall, things went back to normal fairly quickly.
I really liked HK Phooey
>>151604432Til the bubble burst and western animation had to rely on mostly South Korea and showed. Watch the penultimate and final seasons of RGB.
>>151607321Still fucked up cartoons. It's why Constance Payne never came to be
>>151607333No, you really liked the lovely lassie with the classy chassis.
Why does 80's anime aged better than 80's cartoons?
>>151607027Nah
>>151607406
>>151607406I'm sure if someone actually archived all of the old Doraemon episodes before they were quite literally lost to time you'd realize that both sides had it pretty shit.
>>151607406Japan doesn't have the burden of Christianity weighing children's entertainment down with nanny policing and moralfaggotry.
>>151606209Yes
>>151607460Superbook and The Flying House says otherwise
sniff sniffyou guys smell something?
>>151607517You, being butthurt
>>151606881To be fair the food in the USA is the worst so switch out Japan with another country and it would still be true.
>>151607497American co-productions animated in Japan, many such cases in the 1980s. Japan is like, 1% Christian. It's one of the reasons why they're the smartest country on Earth.
>>151607536>It's one of the reasons why they're the smartest country on Earth.>>/Reddit/And stay there, faggot
>>151607552
>>151607570Doesn’t mean anything
>>151607533Eh. Cheap food in the US can be terrible, but the best food in the US is the best in the world. Highest highs and lowest lows, compared to other first world countries (you can certainly find lower quality in many countries).
>>151607361Constance Payne would have been fucked once its creator's stolen valor claims surfaced.>>151607406Selective curation.
>>151607577It means the more Christian you are, the dumber'er 'n sheeeeeeit ya are. Ya hear me, earl?
>>151607591Faggot
>>151607604Dumber'er'nsheeeeeeeeeeit
>>151607587>Constance Payne would have been fucked once its creator's stolen valor claims surfaced.QRD
>>151607570Where does the US rank on this chart?
>>151607611That’s you
>>151607626Middle of the pack, though dead last among 1st world countries. The United States is not actually a 1st world country and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>>151607628and this is you>>151607517Adventure Time sucks btw
>>151607406Toei animated a lot of US cartoons in the 80s, start here https://web.archive.org/web/20040815020007/http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/oldies/collabo.htmlBut the US had greater content restrictions and character designs with too much of a focus on "realism" with too many details.
>>151607648Your life sucks, faggot
>>151607433>>151607604>>151607628reminder that this faggot is a self-admitted tranny
>>151607663*sorry this post was all a typo i was dilating and it was hard to type, what i meant to say is my transition is going well and i'm proud
>>151607517He smells like a mix of tacos and feces
>>151607663No, I just identify with a character’s story
>>151607660Maybe but not as bad as Adventure Time because nothing could suck as much as Adventure Time, the cartoon for faggots.
>>151607670Oops meant for >>151607628
>>151607678>the cartoon for faggots.It’s not for you
>>151607677You idenitfy as female. But you're male in actuality. Just like huntroon mister.
>>151607670>>151607685You really need to be more careful with your posting anon, all these mistakes are making you look silly.
>>151607690It's for you. I told you, it's the cartoon for faggots. Faggots who like little boys.
>>151607581Studies have shown that you're wrong.
>>151607673Still you>>151607701>>151607703Keep crying
>>151607712Post them then.
>>151607720Why do you have to ruin threads about real cartoons? Can't you stick to bean threads.>>151607712>OH MY FAUCI A PEER REVIEWED STUDY THIS IS EVEN BETTER THAN THE TIME I GOT MY 27TH BOOSTER SHOT
>>151607748>real cartoons?I already do, faggot. And besides, you are the one obsessed with your poppdickschizo
>>151607760You are an ugly brown tranny
>>151607760>>151607771Please, you're both terrible.
>>151607780You're both brown and trans.
>>151607299The way I see it, the animation renaissance ended in the mid-2000’s, I don’t know why so many people act like it ended when the 90’s did, cartoons were still going strong in the early 2000’s with stuff like Teen Titans, SpongeBob and Ed Edd & Eddy. The mid-late 2000’s throughout the early 2010s however had stuff like CGI fully replacing 2D animated features, rigged animation becoming a new costcutting measure, and while I do feel like early beanmouth shows like early Adventure Time, Flapjack, and early Regular Show did feel a bit like a return to form for creator driven shows at first, later beanmouth would become a shitty costcutting measure and a caricature of itself, 2015 was when shit really went downhill.Cartoon Network was like the go-to place for cartoons and you can easily tell when it went to crap based on the way the shows look alone.
>>151607802The early 2010s were promising but around 2013 the whole thing got hijacked by LGBT+ feminist POC trannies or whatever theyre called
>>151607780Yeah
>>151607802>Regular ShowIs it really a beanmouth show?
>>151607858Every 2010s cartoon is beanmount for these people.
>>151607894>beanmountYou can’t mount vegetables. Jokes aside, at least he articulated well his argument and said normal stuff.
>>151607906Um, AI steals from artists like me. I would appreciate if you don't post it! Thank you.
>>151607906I would kill you
You dipshits really made a mess of this thread, huh?
>>151607617It's creator, Micah Wright, admitted in 2004 that he lied about being a former US Army Ranger and combat veteran when investigated by the Washington Post.
>>151607802Boston really messed up
>>151607961i like how adventuretranny is depicted as a short little fat brownoid with glasses. it's probably accurate, too.
>>151608044>it's probably accurate, too.I'd say no
AdventureTrannyNumbah one pedo guyAdventureTrannyAll he ever does is lieeeeHe's got aids, the faggy aidsAnd he's always full of crapWhen he watches troony toons, he whips it outWith an AdventureTranny FAP (splat!)
>>151608100Prove it.
>>151608133checked and kek'd
>>151608133here you go
>>151607802>>151607822People don’t give Rick & Morty enough credit for destroying western animation, not only did it turn cartoons into meta and cynical slop, but it also damaged them artistically. Sure Adventure Time and Steven Universe also damaged animation artistically, but at least those shows were artist-driven and you can at least argue that the artists behind them did put effort into their art directions even if they look like shit. Rick & Morty was pure writer driven slop with a shit artstyle that taught people that cartoons don’t have to look good to be popular, its issues it caused are exemplified in the realm of adult animation, Family Guy may also be involved but these kinds of shows became really widespread after R&M.
>>151608468Who's that lurking behind him?
>>151608496the warden obv
>>151608483>writer drivenNigga you wut? Do you want the asinine plots of the garbage they spewed forth pre 90s? Yes, R&M is up its own ass, as is Smiling Friends; but holy shit I think it would be way worse if there was an unironic "let's split up gang" or "the complainer is always wrong."
>>151608506>the wardenYup. It's the warden. Sure.
>>151608483>ven if they look like shit.Not AT
>>151608483I haven't watched a single new cartoon since Rick & Morty was a thing and I can assure you they were already pretty shit years before that came out.
>>151608522There are plenty of good writer-driven cartoons from the 90s-00s that also had a good focus on visuals, unless you're John K and have a very narrow view on what makes a good cartoon.
>>151607406What's crazy to me is stuff out of the 70s anime (Lupin, Gundam, Space Battleship, Gatchaman) is there weren't western TV equivalents for like another 30 years
>>151608592>I can assure you they were already pretty shit years before that came out.Examples being?
>>151608620Notice how I said pre-90s. 90s had a lot of well-written stuff.
>>151600149The fuck is this nonsense are you a migrant making shit up?
>>151604353How is Fat Albert, Peanuts and everything based on toy lines satanic?
>>151608676What is the western equivalent of Gundam? Megas? They have nothing in common.
>>151609042I was thinking Star Wars Clone Wars, the 3D one.
>>151608842The golden age was artist-driven and it was great. The interim period was more corporate-driven than anything else.
>>151609036Don't argue with jesus weirdos
>>151609055Man, that version of Clone Wars was pure shit. Don't insult Gundam like that.
>>151607802Why did they ditch their awesome checkerboard logo? That shit was iconic.
>>151608483I'd blame Family Guy/American Dad more maybe even the Simpsons. That's what really convinced executives that adult animation can be cheap shit and nobody really cares.
>>151608483Koala Man wasn't bad. Not as creative artistically as other Cusack stuff, but still enjoyable.
>>151604353You’ve become a favourite reoccurring character in this board for me, never fails to get at least one (you) from a completely assblasted anon.
>>151600470>he admits it this casuallyWhy are you even mad at people pointing out your bullshit then?
>>151611201AdventureTranny is my favorite, personally.
>>151607406Their animation industry was always low budget and didn't have the loss of funds that American animation had when the golden age of animation ended. So they knew how to make cheaply made shows and movies look amazing, mainly by drawing perspective and large scale compositions
>>151611329Because yes, but now I think I got over it, and I have a cold, so I'll stop it.
>>151611390>by drawing perspective and large scale compositionsIt's crazy how we still don't have this. Japanese cartoons feel cinematic.
>>151600149i prefer beanmouth gay shows about girls
>>151611613Americans can't even draw Fred Flintstone style cartoons anymore, how are they supposed to draw this, let alone animate it?
>>151607525>>151607660Nah, yours one sucks too, forever alone sperg.
>>151607720>>151607760Keep being gay poopy joe
>>151607406Ignoring that most of them were animated by the exact same studios as your 80s tv anime what 80s tv cartoon didnt age well.
>>151606031What are you even talking about lmao are you some kind of detective oh wow.
>>151605631Name one.
>>15160014980s-90s>aww yeah we're a super team of crime fighters!>there's like 5 of us because that means 5 action figures to sell, and each of us has a super vehicle, so that's 5 more toys!>also there is a team of 5 villains we fight all the time with, you guessed it, their own vehicles!>and don't forget about Jimothy the "relatable" child "protagonist" who hangs out with us and his 2-3 diverse friends! everyone would rather see more fighting or cool shit instead of whiny dumb kids, but the execs don't know that>oh, and the intro has bitchin rock music and shows us doing karate moves, but we would never EVER engage in violence that kids can imitate! we just kinda shoot lasers near each other or trap the bad guys with tricks only a 1st grader would fall for>oh wow, it's a very special episode! Jimothy's friend who we will never see again has AIDS!no wonder this kind of show is extinct
>>151613021About what you posted
>>151607406Because UPA crippled American animation in the 40's and 50's and it's never been able to recover.
>>151612061Keep poopy joe's name out of your mouth.That monkey was an American hero.
>>151613659
>>151606986Stupid autocorrect. Nevertheless anime in the 70s never stopping venturing outside its boundaries despite the early censorship. Cutey Honey continued to be sexy, as was Doronjo and her predecessor and successors, Fujiko, the Royal Sisters, Maetel, Starsha, and the rest of Matsumoto ladies, and the one gal that would be the trendsetter for the next decade: Lum
>>151611980all they know how to do is AT and hazbin hotel style animation nowadays. oh and familyguy tier stuff.
>>15160003390% of them are horrendous crap because Hanna-Barbera was shitting them out as fast as possible, and rapidly iterating on different varieties of "animal guy with a gimmick" or "crude parody of a sitcom from the previous decade"
>>151615348I remember the interview with the lead animator on the KOTH revival where they basically said they didn't know how to animate like the old show anymore.
Blame Peggy Charren for nerfing H-B even when making shows like Wait Til Your Father Gets Home and Jokebook, Taft Broadcasting would drag them back into the kiddie pool.
>>151600149>bakshi>slop
>>151611613huh, whats this?
>>151615799
>>151601215That’s not a zoomer though, zoomers aren’t making that, they’re watching it
>>151616007Zoomer means TEENAGERMillennial means TWENTYSOMETHING
>>151615751HE'S GOT A GUN!
Thundar and the Herculoids are still as good as I remember.
>>151615751nta but bakshi is slop
>>151600033I thought this even as a kid in the 90sEvery time a rerun from the 70s came on I wanted to blow my brains out
Problem is that, yeah, HB did put out a lot of slop, like their dozens of Scooby Doo clones, but some HB shows still hold up writing-wise. I urge people to give Flintstones another chance, it's no worse than shows like Family Guy.
>>151604084soul
>>151618507That's... that's not a good comparison
>>151613382Yo fuck you, Mummies Alive! was awesome as was Street Sharks. You were probably just a gaywad who sucked dick.
>>151618666Are you 15? Stop typing like a theater kid.
>>151613382Well, to play devil's advocate…>Much of those 80's and 90's "30-minute toy commercials" were also action/adventure shows, which were at the time modern shows and a nice change of pace from all the slapstick theater shorts and 60's/70's comedy shows that were still on the air as reruns. Much of those shorts and shorts were older (in some cases, decades older) than kids growing up in the 80's and 90's. Meanwhile, much of those "toy commercials" were new IP at least, giving writers a chance to work on something that wasn't attached to a long-running IP for the most part (G.I. Joe existed before the 80's version).>I admit that several action/adventure shows (including those "toy commercials") felt watered down in tone and content compared to anime airing in Japan during the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Unlike Dragonball, Gundam, Gatchaman, Captain Harlock, Macross, Saint Seiya, Sailor Moon, etc., /co/ shows like He-Man, She-Ra, G.I. Joe, etc. couldn't get too violent or risque, have characters actually die ("Die Autobots" premiered in theaters instead of TV), or dabble in heavy subject matter or mild language. I suspect the reasons for all that stem from differences between TV in America vs TV in Japan, the "animation is for kids" stigma, networks' S&P, advocacy watchdog groups, and soccer moms getting their panties in a twist over He-Man throwing villains around because he couldn't fight with his sword.(1/2)
>>151618682street sharks was...a mistake
>>151619613>I also admit much of the action/adventure "30-minute toy commercials" were far from perfect, but they also had a cool factor to them that you couldn't get from Bugs Bunny, Fred Flintstone, Casper, Bullwinkle. They were kinda like action movies made into 22-minute episodes while dabbling in a few themes (fantasy, sci-fi, robots) and some cool action scenes.>The success rate for lots of those "toy commercials" were spotty at best as several have fallen into obscurity. The ones that were hits became iconic in their own ways from having larger than life characters to awesome dynamics between to opposing groups. Although the 80's and 90's are long gone, I still have fond memories of shows like G.I. Joe, Transformers, He-Man, She-Ra, TMNT, Mighty Max, and The Real Ghostbusters. Sure, some of those were outsourced to Japan, but I felt that only enhanced my fondness of shows from that era. I can't say the say for most of the recent shows from the 2010's and the 2020's.Even with their flaws, it was either action/adventure shows in the guise of a "toy commercial," slapstick theater shorts and comedy shows from the past, or stuff like The Smurfs or Get Along Gang. The younger me could only get so much mileage from reruns of theater shorts, Hanna-Barbera's comedy back catalog. And you couldn't pay me to watch The Smurfs or Get Along Gang again.(2/2)
>>151619726*between two opposing groups
>>151619613*shorts and shows
>>151611613That clip's from an interactive video console though so it's better quality animation than most television anime would have had at the time.
>>151618709Umm.... I think you need to... remember where you are.... and be silent.... when your superiors are talking.... retard.Also you like both Flintstones and Family Guy. You're obviously a fucking braindead moron.
>>151619613>>151619726>le hecking 80s nostalgiakys>>151619662So you ARE a faggot.
>>151609042>What is the western equivalent of Gundam?Kind of.
>>151620004
>>151618666Flintstones is an animated sitcom at its core, the only fair comparison would be other animated sitcoms.Now obviously it's nowhere near golden age Simpsons good, but compare it to the average stuff coming out now, I'd say Flintstones actually holds up just fine.
>>151620118Yeah, the Autobots vs Decepticons kinda had a similar vibe as Earth Federation vs Zeon in some ways. That and the 80's mecha anime aesthetic.
>>151618507https://youtu.be/iAGXoiW8YgE?si=hMkwi5apnUNgIKx0
>>151620188>Ymthe Autobots vs DecepticonsNot really. At least not in the 80s cartoon.
>>151600033Common case of the rose tinted glasses and got nothing to do with aging. If you hold these old shows too high regards all the time then you'll never see the flaws. I know most of my old favorite cartoons were jank even back when I first saw them but I still loved them. Even as a kid I could lightly spot animation errors, overused stock animation, and everything being stiff and cheap. I wouldn't understand the details of it all but I always knew it looked weird at times even on old black and white tvs. I always knew there was a huge difference between a Disney animation or a Japanese animation to a normal tv cartoon but I still loved them for what they were and after experiencing and seeing a lot of modern cartoons, I learn to appropriate the classics even more.
>>151600033No. There were some cool movies but TV cartoons mostly sucked until the ass end of the 80s through the mid 00s.
>>151619802The anime had some really impressive and cinematic scenes. Show me a 80s or 90s action cartoon doing something like this
>>151620520It's shocking how true this is.I looked through Hanna-Barbara's catalog and everything was a cheap spin off/knock off of a cheap show they made until the late 80's.I think the animation got better because they were able to outsource the grunt work.
>>151620495Thundarr was peak
>>151600082But do you still pay attention while doing that?
>>151608676>>151609042>>151620118Speaking of Gundam, it's sad that cartoons will never look this good. I just want cartoons to be coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueB0oNajuEg
>>151622153Gotta deal with derp execs and Lovejoys first
>>151600188Cope
>>151623417That is another way to say western animation will never be good.
>>151623417>Gotta deal with derp execs and Lovejoys firstThis. It's gotten much harder to find cool western shows with a bit of an edge to them without pearl clutching soccer moms and dumbass execs ruining things. Both are as difficult to purge as cockroaches.>>151615490>Peggy CharrenThe OG Helen Lovejoy. I know she's been dead for years now, but it sucks that the damage she cause still haunts western animation. In hindsight, it would have been best if she just lived a quiet life by staying in her lane as a stay-at-home mom.
>>151620004I'd rather watch any TMNT clone than any Scooby clone, but none of em were all that good.
>>151624865It also doesn't help that I'm turned off by several recent shows that normally would have piqued my interest had they been produced BEFORE the 2010's influence. >Arcane, both Netflix Castlevania shows, Dragon Age: Absolution, The Legend of Vox Machina, Invincible, Netflix Devil May Cry, Terminator Zero, Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft, Splinter Cell: Deathwatch, The Mighty Nein, Kong: King of the ApesNot trying to badmouth those shows, but they just don't don't jive with me the way that Spawn, The Maxx, Aeon Flux, The Venture Bros., Metalocalypse, and The Boondocks done.Maybe it's more to do with 2010's social rhetoric in America spilling over into those recent shows for obvious reasons in ways that make me wanna puke. At this rate, I'm practically forced to watch older /co/ shows from before the 2010's and anime by default.
>>151625328>InvincibleIt was going to be bad no matter the decade. The source material is trash.
>>151620160I.. man, admittedly sitcoms are all retarded, but Flintstones is retarded and insipid. It's quintessential Boomer garbage. >>151624882Well yeah, but actually GOOD media is super rare.
>>151600149>albertbad>bakshiwizards was good>peanutsbad, was never funny>based on toy linesmostly bad. TMNT was good>edgy shit like plague dogsgood>cold war propagandabad
>>151600033>>151600094they did not and Gen X had it pretty rough. the 70s was a golden age for music and Hollywood but animation and cars, not so much. truth be told it was going to be inevitable because that was an era with a lot fewer kids than the 50s-60s or 90s and a lot less of a family oriented culture.
>>151600033Watching these old shows made me understand why boomers grew up to hate cartoons while younger generations have more people that still watch them when they grow older. If I grew up watching crap like Yogi Bear, I wouldn't be interested in cartoons either.
>>151625827TV cartoons were essentially a non-serious medium until the 90s, actually network TV in general was barring a few rare exceptions like Star Trek. Most of it was low budget disposable cheese to give housewives and children something to do.
>>151600149>worst peanuts specialsIt's Flashbeagle, Charlie Brown wasn't from the 70s.
>>151625823>and HollywoodNot really, prestige films had largely died out and a lot of productions were quickly made Dirty Harry knockoffs. There were of course some fucking excellent 70s movies and saying the decade was bereft of them would be a mistake, but in terms of quantity of those excellent movies it was a notable step down compared to the previous decades and honestly less than the 80s too. The only really shining art form during the 70s was the music, everything else was either significantly worse or relatively diminished.
>>151625827Yogi Bear from the 60s was all right. Yogi's Gang and Yogi's Space Race from the 70s, Yogi's Treasure Hunt from the 80s, and Yo Yogi from the 90s were awful. HB just couldn't make an interesting show that would also please network executives after the 60s. They never got it together until Cartoon Network started with that new generation of talent.
>>151625823Most regard the 50s-60s as a poor era of Hollywood when they were still laboring under the Hays Code but writing was neglected in favor of cheap gimmicks like Technicolor.
John K said Joe Barbara told him they fucking hated all those Scooby Doo spinoffs but the network just kept ordering more and more of them.
>>151625908Newton Minow, who served as FCC chairman under President Kennedy, reportedly called network TV "one vast wasteland."
>>151625944I can't say it was worse than the 80s and its "Friday the 13th XVIII" bullshit.
>>151625823Comic books were fucked too for similar reasons, low kid population=reduced market.
>>151604381>terrible voice actingA lot of the old guard from the Golden Age like Mel Blanc and Jack Mercer were still doing their thing but they were old by then and just wanted an easy low effort paycheck.
>>151600586As all the same, 2010-15 was also distinct from 2016-19 as the former was become wokeshit had yet really become a thing.
>>151603955>Yeah that's a good point. When I first came online, rule number 1 was "don't ever give out your real name or location." That went out the window completely.Then why is it always boomers who give out their real name and location online?
>>151613382idk why some people complain about the 2010s, as if there was no SJW shit in the early 90s?
>>151626109>complain about Zombie SimpsonsIt was always this way tbqh.
>>151618666>>151625683underage pls go
>>15160014980s toy cartoons were fun and cool unlike hanna barbera slop. Stay mad faggot. Also bakshi was based kill yourself
>>151626205Political correctness in the 90s was nothing compared to modern wokeshit. I'd rather be chastised for not saying "African-American" than watch my own child cut his dick off.
>>151613382Don't forget.>obligatory ending monologue about saving the environment by recycling and being sure to stay in school and don't use drugs
>>151626294>>>/pol/>>>/meds/
>millennial creators make the cartoons they thought they watched as kids NOW>Shipping, relationship drama, lore with no payoff and a gradually increasing lack of humor.
>>151626361Free board
>>151613382That kind of cartoon was more specifically a thing from about 1987 to 94.
>>151626378>>millennial creators Genndy and Craig are Gen-X, unless I misread it.
>>151606859Japan does have an awful high rate of strokes though because the food is extremely salty.
>>151626468>>151626205Democrats controlled both houses of Congress during that period so they funded a lot of this stuff including the Captain Planet type of cartoon.>inb4 but was Republican presidents until 93Turns out Congress not the president actually decides what money is spent on what.
>>151607652>But the US had greater content restrictions andqrd?
>>151626378>lore with no payoffThis is what really makes all the 2010-2020s lore cartoons shit. Imagine baiting the audience with lore and promoting your show as something more than a silly comedy for little kids and then not delivering a damn thing. I think Gravity Falls was the patient zero of this disease.>>151626523He is talking about the creators of AT, SU, Gravity Falls and all their clones.
Adventure Time was the progenitor, but it goes deeper. It always, always goes deeper.
>>151626588no the problem wasn't GF it was the dumbshit fans on /co/ who actually expected a Disney cartoon to be like The Wire or something
>>151626586he means they couldn't show 15 year old girl shower scenes or people being punched
>>151618507I can enjoy The Flintstones as an adult. I can't enjoy Family Guy, it's too juvenile.
>>151600033I'll stand by DuckTales, it's still mostly a good watch.
>>151626483Yes anon that's why they said NOW
>>151626220what i mean is that same thing. they kept milking Golden Age franchises like Looney Toons and Popeye for decades with increasingly worse results and old as shit voice actors who just wanted a quick paycheck before heading back to the golf course. don't think the Simpsons was somehow the first animated franchise to do this. once you have an established property you'll milk it for as long as you possibly can.
>>151625827Millennials and zoomers still have people who watch cartoons into their adult years because they're autistic, it has nothing to do with the quality of modern cartoons.
>>151626624only blacks and white trash actually watches FG anyway
>>151626663nah that was because Millenials were spoiled with the 90s, boomers just had crappy cartoons designed to fill ad space so there was no reason to want to go back to them as an adult
>>151626653>that 80s Popeye SMC where he couldn't punch peopleThe even stupider part was that they were always rerunning the Golden Age Fleischer shorts on TV where Popeye beat people up in every short and it was apparently perfectly ok for kids to watch those.
>>151626611Alex Hirsch and Disney shilled GF as "X-Files for kids" on social media. Every fan thought GF was a big deal.
>>151626109Blanc really didn't try too hard after about 1963.
>>151626704You're right, of course by the 70s they were also censoring certain problematic bits from Golden Age cartoons. My mom is a boomer so she saw them on TV in the 60s when they were still uncensored.
>>151626611^This.>Wait, why didn't they have any blood, swear words, or explicit sex scenes between underage characters on the Disney Channel?
>>151625944The 70's was the era of everyone trying to figure things out before someone would come along and piece it together by the 80's
>>151626749>You're right, of course by the 70s they were also censoring certain problematic bits from Golden Age cartoons. My mom is a boomer so she saw them on TV in the 60s when they were still uncensored.qrd?
>>151600033They do. Everyone who says they don't makes tranny slop.
The 70s had many bad conditions like reduced budgets, inflation making the cost of operating animation studios go up, and they hadn't yet figured out to outsource animation to Asia so they had to pay costly unionized animator wages.
>>151626798he means they censored naughty wacist bits from Tom & Jerry
>>151626586The old networks were very touchy about pre-watershed hours content and especially for children's programming. New networks like Fox in the late 80s, WB in the mid-90s and cable channels like Nick and Cartoon Network getting into original programming in the early and mid-90s helped ease up on that. Here's an example of what it was like trying to make a cartoon in the late 80s. John K just couldn't have a career until Nick gave him his shot a few years later.
>>151601277>Yeah, Flintstones holds up great, especially the early seasons.And then...
>>151626891>>151625908network TV was behind the curve in a lot of ways because unlike Hollywood and the music industry the networks in the 80s were still very much an old boys' club run by GI/Silent Generation executives who just kept making the same inoffensive play-it-safe sap they'd always done with the occasional concession to modernity here and there. it was only when those guys started retiring and boomers took over the networks did TV catch up with other entertainment fields.
>>151626779t. Alex
>>151626824Stfu
>>151626891as Bob Camp said, network censorship boards were always fags and the content guidelines had no real logic to them, it was totally arbitrary and based on what the censor guy or guys personally disliked
Ha ha you mean you weren't dying to watch Scooby Doo Meets Sonny and Cher?
>>151600448not our fault the DNC decided to use them as a weapon
No cartoons hold up outside of your personal nostalgia. The only exceptions are the first 7 or 8 seasons of The Simpsons and Batman TAS.
>>151626378>Also 10 minute episodes.>Steven Bombs to hide cancellation attempts and low ratings>Grotesque homo CalArts art>HomoGroomo
>>151625908Meanwhile in Japland?https://youtu.be/g0X2thTUDB0?si=ylAFApVByIyaX5x1https://youtu.be/CLbjmURl21E?si=hw81hZlFZW2u-drv
tl;dr Millenials ruined everything?
>>151627148Normalfag
>>151627192O algo
Gen X built way too much of a cult out of Star Wars due to the lack of quality kids media back then. Not much competition.
>>151607460>Japan doesn't have the burden of Christianity weighing children's entertainment down with nanny policing and moralfaggotry.SAAR
>>151627253And then gen X ruined star wars with the sequels
>>151626184>Then why is it always boomers who give out their real name and location online?My guess is because boomers, despite giving out that advice in the 90s and early 2000s to their kids, usually weren't ever as deeply involved in internet posting or culture. So while they accepted and repeated the rule when they got computers and first started going on the internet, but most of them didn't fully internalize it. Then when sites like Facebook came out and got big, giving out your info became "normal" and they went along with it like everyone else, with even less restraint because they're generally tech illiterate. But let's not pretend it's just boomers who give out their real life info, every generation started doing it when social media got big. The whole point of the post was that was the old rule that got thrown out by almost everyone.
>>151600033Not really, no. Even if we leave aside the bad animation, the writing of these shows was mostly just plain bad. The people behind these shows either had no creativity or just plain didn't care.It's only from the 90s onwards that most of the people making shows seemed to actually care and treated animation as an artform instead of just an excuse for 30-minute commercials.Does anyone have any theories on what exactly changed? Was it a generational shift in the people making cartoons? And if so, what was different about the people making cartoons in the 70s and 80s to those making cartoons afterwards?
>>151627327that's just because fanboys are always idiots.>be George Lucas>just want to make a cool sci fi story based on Western movies>be some asshat who saw Star Wars when he was 9 years old>get job at Disney some decades later>decide to make all the inane fanfiction you always wanted to see as a kid
>>151627547>Was it a generational shift in the people making cartoons? And if so, what was different about the people making cartoons in the 70s and 80s to those making cartoons afterwards?Yes of course, the GI/Silent Generation old guard retired and were replaced by boomers.
>>151627547I think it's because the people making cartoons in the 90s actually grew up watching Saturday-morning cartoons. As the OP shows, Genndy Tartakovsky grew up watching HB cartoons, and even though he now recognizes they weren't that good, he still enjoyed them as a kid and that passion for animation stayed in him as an adult. The people making cartoons in the 60s and 70s didn't grow up watching cartoons, so they probably genuinely didn't care and just saw the thing as a paycheck.
>>151627595>The people making cartoons in the 60s and 70s didn't grow up watching cartoons, so theyOr well actually they did but it would have been Golden Age theatrical shorts. The problem was TV budgets didn't allow for that.
>>151627217>a country that was completely destroyed surpassed American in terms of art and animation in less than 30 yearsHow? Seriously, how did they do it?
>>151600033A lot of it was the tail end of HB's relevance, and they were just going on fumes alone. People thought cartoons were just crap to plop the kids down in front of, and animation companies just wanted to pump them out fast and cheap. Of course, after this we had the animation renaissance of the mid to late 80s where cartoons started to be viewed as something the whole family could enjoy again, and that lasted into about the late 90s and early 00s.Now we're stuck in the era where a bunch of older Millennials think cartoons are just for them, and so keep pumping out a bunch of sloppy melodrama crap and ruining any IP they can get their hands on. If it's any better than end times HB, it's not by much.
>>151627657no? Japan is an Old World country with a well-grounded graphic arts tradition, so same applies to European animation.
>>151627663John K at least had the right idea that kids liked seeing butts and people getting beaten up as opposed to Tumblr lesbian shipping drama.
>>151627663>the mid to late 80s where cartoons started to be viewed as something the whole family could enjoyThis isn't true at all.
>>151618382I don't think 7 year olds are really able to tell the difference tbqh.
>>151627631slim budgets and lots of network censorship. yes, Golden Age WB and Fleischer had the Hays Code but it was nowhere near as bad as network TV for what they weren't allowed to show
>>151627714to be perfectly honest theatrical shorts themselves got a lot more toothless pretty soon after WW2. postwar Popeye and Betty Boop shorts were already pretty lame.
>>151600144I mean, yeah. It's not exactly engaging, but at least you don't run the risk of Jabberjaw going on a rant about the evils of capitalism and/or white men.
>>151627714The early attempts at TV animation like Crusader Rabbit were horrifying, it wasn't until H-B figured out a way to produce TV budget animation that didn't look like a student animation project.
>>151627683>John K at least had the right idea that kids liked seeing butts He was wrong tho. Why do you think anime and manga have been more popular than cartoons/comics since the 90s?
>>151627749Then again it could be the late 80s-early 90s where he lectures the audience about recycling and not using drugs.
>>151627745I think maybe everyone just kind of needed a break for a bit after a world war and have less stimulation.
>>151627694Disney Renaissance my dude. The whole family started going to theaters to watch the latest Disney flicks
The late 00s was pretty awful due to the economic crash, very little money for animation. The early 10s was a mini-renaissance at least until it got ruined by DEIslop.
>>151627745the censored Silver Age comics may have also been inevitable
>>151620730also the characters were all just lame parodies of some celebrity
>>151627631TV budgets affect animation quality, but not the writing quality, and the writing quality of 70s and 80s cartoons was just plain awful.
>>151619613>I admit that several action/adventure shows (including those "toy commercials") felt watered down in tone and content compared to anime airing in Japan during the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Unlike Dragonball, Gundam, Gatchaman, Captain Harlock, Macross, Saint Seiya, Sailor Moon, etc., /co/ shows like He-Man, She-Ra, G.I. Joe, etc. couldn't get too violent or risque, have characters actually die ("Die Autobots" premiered in theaters instead of TV), or dabble in heavy subject matter or mild language. I suspect the reasons for all that stem from differences between TV in America vs TV in Japan, the "animation is for kids" stigma, networks' S&P, advocacy watchdog groups, and soccer moms getting their panties in a twist over He-Man throwing villains around because he couldn't fight with his sword.what's funny is that actual 10 year olds didn't give a shit about any of this and would have probably preferred the unexpurgated versions
>>151600033Fuck no. Even back then these cartoons were horrible.
>>151627547See >>151626891Things would not have gotten much better if it was just the same old Big Three in charge of gatekeeping content. The showrunners of the 90s were also working on cartoons in the 80s.
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>>151627899PEAK
>>151627869it's like hey how come Japanese kids could see Sailor Moon in the shower and we couldn't?
70's were alot of drug creations.80's was way better.
>>151626378It's because Tumblr fucking took the animation industry. I remember arguing with these people back in the day. But I give them credit. They worked on their art and took over, it sucks for the medium. But they got farther than me. I'm only a writer and animation is a drawer's medium.
>>151627924That’s not true
>>151627253Honestly, I get it. Looking back at how dire things were, no wonder people were obsessed with Star Wars, Ninja Turtles, and Transformers. It was either that, the Smurfs, a Scooby Doo ripoff or a Scooby doo spinoff.
>>151627548Jj abrams just redid ANH at first and rian johnson hated star wars. If they made someones fan fic it wouldve been more interesting
>>151627059wasn't the primary goal to not show anything that could get them sued?
>>151627969>Honestly, I get it. Looking back at how dire things were, no wonder people were obsessed with Star Wars, Ninja Turtles, and TransformersTMNT was a decade after the original Star Wars came out, it was really more of a thing that early Millenials were into than Gen X.
>>151627899>made in JapanAnon...
>>151627059>"So every network has the Standards & Practices board, ie. the censorship board. I was the one in charge of dealing with them because nobody else was stupid enough to take the job. The thing you quickly learn is that their content guidelines sometimes change every other week. One week you can show a bare butt, the next week you can't. One week you can have a character say 'Damn", the next week you can't. One week you can show a character smoking, the next you can't. And so on."
>>151627847>the writing quality of 70s and 80s cartoons was just plain awful.As far as the 80s goes Thundarr the Barbarian was good thanks to Steve Gerber, Alvin and the Chimpmunks was fine for what it was until they ran out of ideas, Inspector Gadget and Muppet Babies were fine kid's shows, Real Ghostbusters was good when J. Michael Straczynski was involved, DuckTales and The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ushered in the Disney Renaissance, Garfield and Friends brought back some biting edge. But for the most part, the networks wanted crap and would only greenlight crap, so that's what we got.
>>151600149>>worst peanuts specialseverything peanuts is bad
>>151627869if you were ever wondering why European media is so much more open to nudity and other such shit, it's mostly because European media was never especially free market or concerned with advertisers like in Burgerstan. It's always instead been heavily state subsidized to sponsor the "creative arts" or whatever (as most European countries can't really support a movie or animation industry via private investors), and so it mostly attracts bohemian artist sex pests who just use it as a vehicle for all the perverted fetish stuff they're into.
>>151628085Wrong, tripfag
>>151627804>The whole family started going to theaters to watch the latest Disney flicksThis is like saying we are living a golden age just because Inside Out and Zootopia made billions. The 80s were bad.
>>151628126There were quite a number of good cartoons >>151628054There will always be more bad than good. You can come up with a long list of awful cartoons from the 90s and 00s as well. A ton of cartoon shorts were produced in the Golden Age, there were so many great ones because of the sheer amount of volume produced.
>>151627899You just prove him right, bro. Those episodes of Batman TAS were anime.
>>151628149>You can come up with a long list of awful cartoons from the 90s and 00s as welldamn, we know about Bobby's World and My Gym Partner is a monkey
>>151627869I'd hate to imagine an Inspector Gadget made only for the Japanese market.
>>151628174Define "anime"
Disney of course was also at an all-time nadir in the 70s they wouldn't reach again until the late 2010s.
>>151627969My boomer father watched mazinger Z, Sandybell, battle of the planets, Macross, etc. He didn't let me watch HB cartoons.
>>151628293Based. Country?
>>151628327argentina
>>151628207He’s wrong, BTAS isn’t anime (though it did benefit from being a co-production).
>>151628031>M-m-made in JapanDirected by Americans. Just because Japan CAN do good animation, doesn't mean they always do, and it especially doesn't mean that Americans can't.But what am I saying, you're a WEEB! You'll swallow literally any shit out of Japan anus and lick your fingers after you giga faggot.
>>151628174Blow your brains out weeb. The scene you posted is SU tier animation
>>151628414>and it especially doesn't mean that Americans can't.So, where is the good American animation?>you're a WEEB! You'll swallow literally any shit out of Japan anus and lick your fingers after you giga faggot.I don't even know what the fuck is that. It seems you are a bigger weeb lol
>>151628414Do you realize every weeb on /a/ trashed Overlord, right? /a/ always shit on badly animated anime. It's happening right now with the new season of OPM.
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>>151600033Nu/co/ likes to jerk off anime for being better in quality than cartoons nowadays but it was an absolute steamroll back in the 70s and 80s. You'd have to have some serious nostalgia goggles to think that The Scooby-Doo and Dynomutt Hour is better than Mobile Suit Gundam, Future Boy Conan, Devilman or Ashita no Joe. Even the stuff for kids mogged the shit out of the west back then.
>>151628832Anime will always be better than cartoons no matter the decade.
>>151626985Gtfo
>>151626379>>>/vip/ says otherwise
>>151623644Arrest
